The Game of Champions 2018 [ENDGAME]

[nutella]

Finally I think the people saying this is unlikely or impossible haven't played enough games with a mafia DH or remember how skilled he can be. I think it's not only plausible, but likely that they came up with a bussing strategy once it became clear that one of them could be lynched.

Not to mention even when Luna was bussing DH she was still attempting to find another wagon and lead the lynch away from both of them.

Votes DH after this post from me, but then later says it was weird I didn't vote for him.

So quick recap I thought the mafia killed Mac since he had names on his list. I still believe this is true anand recommend we look closely into DH and juliet, however atm I think we should be lynching Luna. She's been spared from a lynch twice with a non mafia being lynched each time.

Why are we isolating that one post and not, say, his harranguing of Quin?

Quin is dead and flipped mafia. However, I don't think they'd have killed him if he was right about just one person. So he probably had more mafia members on that list.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm it's a N1 kill. And it's Mac. And he was after Quin. I don't think they need a stronger reason.

But if mac was onto someone else, who would it be?

I think he was right about DH as well, I'm unsure about Juliet being mafia, but I'm leaning no atm.

I don't want to lynch blooper today, i've been gut reading her as good. I much prefer the Luna/DH near tie we've got going on.

LOL. okay, I'll tie it for you.

[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

Then she switches off of DH onto Jay, at this point going with my World 1 the mafia team decided to try to save both DH and Luna by redirected onto Jay who in theory should've been an easy target.

I don’t love head-ass meat slabs/hot potatoes/fire drills but I also don’t love the two wagons

yeah, me neither, since I'm one of them. :P Also DH hasn't been around much today, and I feel bad lynching someone who's not around to defend themselves.

the lynch today is quite boring, and I want to switch to Jay in case it takes off.

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

Then she winds up switching back to DH after the Jay wagon doesn't catch so she can get some civ credit for being the counterwagon to mafia and voting for him.

Luna, have you had suspicion of and/or voted TH? Can't remember.

Ok I have to admit these are all pretty good points. This may not be as easy as I was hoping but I am willing to give sig another chance for this and look at luna again.

[nutella]

I'm just having a hard time seeing the two TH vote forces as coincidental and Luna's reason for doing it - no strategy just picked two names and did it - sounds very fishy to me.

+1

Yeah, I could see it as a coincidence but her explanation was very fishy. If she is town why wouldn't she just make someone vote for whomever her top suspect is??

[nutella]

I'm having a hard time believing that you used your one shot with no strategy whatsoever in mind. I will consider what you say and I ask others to speak up as to whether this is believable or not.

This is not an accusation. Luna not having a town motive is odd (though, like with silencing, there's hardly ever a good town reason to force votes).
Unless you have a scum motive you'd like to bring up, this doesn't point to scum.

...

[nutella]

I'm just having a hard time seeing the two TH vote forces as coincidental and Luna's reason for doing it - no strategy just picked two names and did it - sounds very fishy to me.

+1

This is a fair point, I'll concede. Still looking for a scum motive behind it. Not like they were trying to lynch TH. And if Luna coordinated with scum, linking the wand use to BTSC, then why did she claim to have used it?

huh? I don't understand what the last sentence is referring to

[nutella]

Eloh: she may have been attempting to get civ credit by doubting the then-runaway Luna wagon. Her insistence that someone explain the DH lynch may be consistent with her beliefs but it may be that she was reluctant to sacrifice a powerful teammate. As to why you wouldn’t vote Luna, then, I dunno ...

I never thought Luna was bad. Why would I vote her at that time?

Then.........

Votes DH after this post from me, but then later says it was weird I didn't vote for him.

Why are we isolating that one post and not, say, his harranguing of Quin?

Quin is dead and flipped mafia. However, I don't think they'd have killed him if he was right about just one person. So he probably had more mafia members on that list.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm it's a N1 kill. And it's Mac. And he was after Quin. I don't think they need a stronger reason.

But if mac was onto someone else, who would it be?

I think he was right about DH as well, I'm unsure about Juliet being mafia, but I'm leaning no atm.

I don't want to lynch blooper today, i've been gut reading her as good. I much prefer the Luna/DH near tie we've got going on.

LOL. okay, I'll tie it for you.

[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

Then she switches off of DH onto Jay, at this point going with my World 1 the mafia team decided to try to save both DH and Luna by redirected onto Jay who in theory should've been an easy target.

I don’t love head-ass meat slabs/hot potatoes/fire drills but I also don’t love the two wagons

yeah, me neither, since I'm one of them. :P Also DH hasn't been around much today, and I feel bad lynching someone who's not around to defend themselves.

the lynch today is quite boring, and I want to switch to Jay in case it takes off.

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

Then she winds up switching back to DH after the Jay wagon doesn't catch so she can get some civ credit for being the counterwagon to mafia and voting for him.

This is pretty damning. I think I may have been tricked by Luna all game so far.

Then her explanation of how she used the wand..

**voting Luna**

Yikes.

[nutella]

Luna, have you had suspicion of and/or voted TH? Can't remember.

I did sort of suspect TH for his interactions with DH, but I didn't vote Turnip since it was close to EOD and he had no chance of getting lynched.

wait, when was this? which interactions with DH?

[nutella]

and juliets it's definitely not black and white slam dunk evidence she's mafia. it could be a coincidence that they both picked TH, and maybe she just didn't have a great strategy for how to use it even if she was town and maybe decided she suspected TH a bit/enough to make someone vote for him idk

[nutella]

also yeah she probably wanted to make sure she used it early in case she died, especially since she was a popular lynch target and had reason for that concern.

[nutella]

mmmmm [VOTE: eloh] aubergine

[nutella]

Tfw the host's wife's name is misspelled on the poll

[juliets]

and juliets it's definitely not black and white slam dunk evidence she's mafia. it could be a coincidence that they both picked TH, and maybe she just didn't have a great strategy for how to use it even if she was town and maybe decided she suspected TH a bit/enough to make someone vote for him idk

Ok, i respect your opinion and have been having my doubts about it being slam dunk, especially since she admitted she had it. I'll pull my vote off of her and probably put it on Elo.

[Epignosis]

Tfw the host's wife's name is misspelled on the poll

Epi here are the first 5 ISO links you can copy into your 1st post. I will try to do some more later.

ColinisCool
colonialbob
Dharmahelper
Elochin
Enrique

[juliets]

Sorry!

[Lunalee]

@Lunalee Who did you redirect all these nights?

I don't want to say because it will inevitably turn into a discussion of, "Why did Luna pick those people? She must be scum." I will say however that I don't believe any of my redirects have actually affected anything. Meaning I haven't redirected any kills.

[speedchuck]

It's mostly because of the wand issue though. I had marked Luna off my suspects list until I found out she had the wand, compelled speed to vote Turnip, and says she just picked the two of them for no reason. I find it hard to believe a smart woman like Luna wouldn't have tried to use her item strategically or at least for some reason.

And because she does something you think is un-strategic, you think she's scum? How does that make sense?

This is just another symptom of the "You're playing sub-optimally so you must be scum" mindset that I got in trouble for in Hogwarts Mafia, Everyone's-Cursed Mafia, etc.

Why are you so convinced she's town?

No mechanical reason. Just a hunch. I've gotten used to reading Luna in mafia games a bit, I think.
I'd bet anything that Luna used the wand because she thought she'd be lynched D2 and wanted to use the cool item.
She might have made me target TH because he "Liked!" my surgery post, for lols.

The only thing I could remotely suspect her for in the game so far is that there were coordinated "possessions" with me and Juliets. At the same time, I see no mafia motive or reasonable suspicion beyond "this is so synchronized y'all" in that event.
Given that the Wand was a unique item, someone copying the power or using another item that duplicates the effect wouldn't be out of the picture. Anyway, I'm not voting for Luna over night action screwery that has no concrete scum leaning.

And if Luna were on a mafia team, they'd be screaming "NO, DON'T WASTE THE VOTE FORCING ABILITY ON DAY 2!" Just an afterthought.

Ok I get the underlined - but why are you coming up with that instead of Luna explaining it when I asked?

I have my guesses regarding that, but I think it would be better if you got a straight answer out of Luna instead of my speculation. Even if I have some theory as to why she isn't answering you, my espousing that theory just furthers the problem. [mention]Lunalee[/mention]

lol I got linki'd with a sort-of answer

speed it seems like you are trying to discredit me and my information instead of trying to consider it as part of the whole picture, calling it "night action screwery". I find that odd.

My emphasis was that I don't want to lynch someone just because their night action happened to coincide with another identical one. I believe you and your info 100%. You used the word "possessed." That's what happened to me, too.

[speedchuck]

and juliets it's definitely not black and white slam dunk evidence she's mafia. it could be a coincidence that they both picked TH, and maybe she just didn't have a great strategy for how to use it even if she was town and maybe decided she suspected TH a bit/enough to make someone vote for him idk

Ok, i respect your opinion and have been having my doubts about it being slam dunk, especially since she admitted she had it. I'll pull my vote off of her and probably put it on Elo.

I was looking at voting Eloh as well. Nutella was right about the "Yikes" post.

[novaselinenever]

@Lunalee Who did you redirect all these nights?

I don't want to say because it will inevitably turn into a discussion of, "Why did Luna pick those people? She must be scum." I will say however that I don't believe any of my redirects have actually affected anything. Meaning I haven't redirected any kills.

Avoiding to share could also turn into a discussion with a similar conclusion, lol. It might help ease the suspicion on you and that's not a good enough reservation, so I'm going to have to insist.

[juliets]

Thanks speed chuck, I appreciate you asking [mention]Lunalee[/mention] to speak to this subject. And very interesting that the word used with you was also "possessed". I don't know what it means but I will mull it over.

[colonialbob]

I'd vote Eloh then Luna I think.

If I wasn't irresistably attracted to a man in uniform that is.

PS is anybody else wondering about the WIFOMy nature of JJJ as the target here?

[colonialbob]

@Lunalee Who did you redirect all these nights?

I don't want to say because it will inevitably turn into a discussion of, "Why did Luna pick those people? She must be scum." I will say however that I don't believe any of my redirects have actually affected anything. Meaning I haven't redirected any kills.

Avoiding to share could also turn into a discussion with a similar conclusion, lol. It might help ease the suspicion on you and that's not a good enough reservation, so I'm going to have to insist.

+1

This info being public helps town.

[nutella]

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] Is it a redirect or a misdirect? As in, do you choose the new target or do you just cause someone to fire at a random target?

[nutella]

I'd vote Eloh then Luna I think.

If I wasn't irresistably attracted to a man in uniform that is.

PS is anybody else wondering about the WIFOMy nature of JJJ as the target here?

Yeah tbh he is next on my list after Eloh, maybe roughly on the same level as kyle.

[novaselinenever]

I'd vote Eloh then Luna I think.

If I wasn't irresistably attracted to a man in uniform that is.

PS is anybody else wondering about the WIFOMy nature of JJJ as the target here?

Yeah tbh he is next on my list after Eloh, maybe roughly on the same level as kyle.

What happened to your suspicion of sig?

[Elohcin]

Here's his post. It came during the lynch. Is this a vouch or an opinion?

Hey guys Luna is town another mystery solved

Sounds like he got info. But I don't trust it. Not sprit, the info. You never know in these games.

Gross

Did I say something nasty?

[nutella]

I'd vote Eloh then Luna I think.

If I wasn't irresistably attracted to a man in uniform that is.

PS is anybody else wondering about the WIFOMy nature of JJJ as the target here?

Yeah tbh he is next on my list after Eloh, maybe roughly on the same level as kyle.

What happened to your suspicion of sig?

Calmed down a bit due to his posts today sounding like genuine analysis, but he's still up there.

[Long Con]

Sorry I haven't been around today, I'm going to follow the lead of some of my trusted folks, I'll trust Luna Lee at this time although the vote force thing gives me pause. I'll vote Elohcin to take it on the chin.

[colonialbob]

Here's his post. It came during the lynch. Is this a vouch or an opinion?

Hey guys Luna is town another mystery solved

Sounds like he got info. But I don't trust it. Not sprit, the info. You never know in these games.

Gross

Did I say something nasty?

Yes

[JaggedJimmyJay]

DH was having no fun because his teammate Enrique ghosted his team. Discuss.

[novaselinenever]

I'd vote Eloh then Luna I think.

If I wasn't irresistably attracted to a man in uniform that is.

PS is anybody else wondering about the WIFOMy nature of JJJ as the target here?

Yeah tbh he is next on my list after Eloh, maybe roughly on the same level as kyle.

What happened to your suspicion of sig?

Calmed down a bit due to his posts today sounding like genuine analysis, but he's still up there.

He's bussing Luna, that's why it sounds that genuine

[nutella]

DH was having no fun because his teammate Enrique ghosted his team. Discuss.

hm you quit writing letters just as you were gaining suspicion for bussing dh but ok

also I completely forgot enri was in this game and apparently he still technically is (should he be replaced???) but if you're not bad you might be onto something here

[JaggedJimmyJay]

DH was having no fun because his teammate Enrique ghosted his team. Discuss.

hm you quit writing letters just as you were gaining suspicion for bussing dh but ok

also I completely forgot enri was in this game and apparently he still technically is (should he be replaced???) but if you're not bad you might be onto something here

I don’t give a shit about suspicion

People were annoyed by my letters and I wasn’t having as much fun anymore. I’m in shtick-transition. I welcome shtick recommendations.

[novaselinenever]

DH was having no fun because his teammate Enrique ghosted his team. Discuss.

hm you quit writing letters just as you were gaining suspicion for bussing dh but ok

also I completely forgot enri was in this game and apparently he still technically is (should he be replaced???) but if you're not bad you might be onto something here

I don’t give a shit about suspicion

People were annoyed by my letters and I wasn’t having as much fun anymore. I’m in shtick-transition. I welcome shtick recommendations.

Images.

[colonialbob]

DH was having no fun because his teammate Enrique ghosted his team. Discuss.

hm you quit writing letters just as you were gaining suspicion for bussing dh but ok

also I completely forgot enri was in this game and apparently he still technically is (should he be replaced???) but if you're not bad you might be onto something here

I don’t give a shit about suspicion

People were annoyed by my letters and I wasn’t having as much fun anymore. I’m in shtick-transition. I welcome shtick recommendations.

President quotes were popular (and also exhausting)

[nutella]

lyrics are pretty good. The National mayb?

[nijuukyugou]

Elo-chin, huh? I'll check back on that tomorrow - we just got a Switch and that's tonight's activity. And possibly every night's activity, forever.

[colonialbob]

Elo-chin, huh? I'll check back on that tomorrow - we just got a Switch and that's tonight's activity. And possibly every night's activity, forever.

oh that reminds me: SW-0615-9082-2720

smash broooooooos

[sprityo]

Here's his post. It came during the lynch. Is this a vouch or an opinion?

Hey guys Luna is town another mystery solved

It came at the start of this phase when I was the only one voting her. I took it as a result from the previous night, him having solved something just like with niju and LC.

That could be what he meant - I'll see what he says. sprityo

nova is correct, it's something i solved

[sprityo]

DH was having no fun because his teammate Enrique ghosted his team. Discuss.

hm you quit writing letters just as you were gaining suspicion for bussing dh but ok

also I completely forgot enri was in this game and apparently he still technically is (should he be replaced???) but if you're not bad you might be onto something here

I don’t give a shit about suspicion

People were annoyed by my letters and I wasn’t having as much fun anymore. I’m in shtick-transition. I welcome shtick recommendations.

tell me i'm valid oh wise one

[Kylemii]

DH was having no fun because his teammate Enrique ghosted his team. Discuss.

hm you quit writing letters just as you were gaining suspicion for bussing dh but ok

also I completely forgot enri was in this game and apparently he still technically is (should he be replaced???) but if you're not bad you might be onto something here

I don’t give a shit about suspicion

People were annoyed by my letters and I wasn’t having as much fun anymore. I’m in shtick-transition. I welcome shtick recommendations.

write all your thoughts in the form of smutty vampire fan-fiction, that way i don't have to do it

[Kylemii]

real question, for basically everyone: has anyone ever been lynched and not taken it as an opportunity to distance from one or more teammates? i don't think i've ever not done that and i'm not sure if that's the norm

[Kylemii]

DH spent a good deal of his final day trying to link nutella and lunalee, specifically in accusing nutella of trying to direct attention away from lunalee. he doesn't interact with lunalee directly much but he talks about her a lot. lunalee's side of interactions about/with DH feel more genuine than his about her.

[juliets]

Here's his post. It came during the lynch. Is this a vouch or an opinion?

Hey guys Luna is town another mystery solved

It came at the start of this phase when I was the only one voting her. I took it as a result from the previous night, him having solved something just like with niju and LC.

That could be what he meant - I'll see what he says. sprityo

nova is correct, it's something i solved

ok thanks sprityo, that seals it for me.

[juliets]

DH was having no fun because his teammate Enrique ghosted his team. Discuss.

Enrique has been in the back of my mind bothering me because he hasn't shown up. I keep expecting him to be replaced. I certainly think it's possible that he ghosted his team but I keep seeing other tangible things to vote for. Are you considering a vote for him today?

[sprityo]

Just to be clear to everyone, I’m not a cop role

This is simply me figuring out the game and putting my entire trust into these proclamations

[sprityo]

Also Colin is on my watchlist

Probably the person I would nab as mafia rn

But I’m more in favor of not losing Luna unless I get a big turn out for voting colin

[ColinIsCool]

Also Colin is on my watchlist

Probably the person I would nab as mafia rn

But I’m more in favor of not losing Luna unless I get a big turn out for voting colin

You keep saying this. You do not back it up with a reason. If you want to lynch me, I suggest you do that.

As a side-note — considering that I am a civ, I'll disregard your solutions until proven otherwise, because if you're wrong about this ...

[sprityo]

Either you’re mafia or you have a very coincidental way of voting

[ColinIsCool]

Either you’re mafia or you have a very coincidental way of voting

What do you mean, exactly?

I know my vote yesterday is about as bad as it gets, but that's not a mistake I'd make as scum. Doing dumb scummy looking stuff is the town meta for me, and I wish I could say it's manufactured, but I just do stuff like that.

[Long Con]

I am not appreciating the coyness, sprityo.

Luna, the Wand: is it a one-time use, or every night? I saw some talk around the subject but I don't recall a definitive statement.

[juliets]

Just to be clear to everyone, I’m not a cop role

This is simply me figuring out the game and putting my entire trust into these proclamations

Ok so you're not a cop but do you have some way besides your own thoughts to be 100% sure she is civ?