Community Mafia [GAME OVER]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

yes, one or the other. i don't think a mafia team of 2 (i think sloonei would have opted for a s/a in this setup, the community theme begs for it) would both decide to lurk. i feel like if there's mafia in there it's not gonna both. and i just said they're both exhibiting lurking behavior.

Is that usually really something mafia members "decide" to do, or does it just happen because they can't keep pace with the civilians?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i find impossible to believe colin would read the thread and decide that first post i made towards jay as the most supicious and vote-worthy thing in the game.

Why do you find that impossible?

because the thread progressed a lot from there, including that initial suspicion, my reads and expansions.

Is Colin a mafioso?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Conditioning Colin's status as best new player to not reading dunya as bad is a disgusting piece of manipulation.

It's not civilian thought proccess.

I don't understand why this is disgusting or uncivilian. Please expand.

[dunya]

yes, one or the other. i don't think a mafia team of 2 (i think sloonei would have opted for a s/a in this setup, the community theme begs for it) would both decide to lurk. i feel like if there's mafia in there it's not gonna both. and i just said they're both exhibiting lurking behavior.

Is that usually really something mafia members "decide" to do, or does it just happen because they can't keep pace with the civilians?

i don't think this thread has blown up at the pace where they would both be ok with sitting behind and not feeling guilty about participation level. i think it's been relatively decently paced for 3 days.

[dunya]

i find impossible to believe colin would read the thread and decide that first post i made towards jay as the most supicious and vote-worthy thing in the game.

Why do you find that impossible?

because the thread progressed a lot from there, including that initial suspicion, my reads and expansions.

Is Colin a mafioso?

as of right now, no, i don't think so. but i don't think he will genuinely believe i'm the best vote option if he had more time to read the thread.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Conditioning Colin's status as best new player to not reading dunya as bad is a disgusting piece of manipulation.

It's not civilian thought proccess.

I don't understand why this is disgusting or uncivilian. Please expand.

It's manipulative. "You suspect me? You are not as good as this game as I thought you were". The goal of a sentence like this is not to figure things out, it's to disencourage the other person from doing that. This is villain talk.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i don't think this thread has blown up at the pace where they would both be ok with sitting behind and not feeling guilty about participation level. i think it's been relatively decently paced for 3 days.

Neither of those two is known for posting frequently. They're usually on the lower end of the spectrum. What does this mean to you?

[dunya]

Why not?

You act like he carefully ranked every post in the thread up to that point and decided your post was the #1 most scummy.

When realistically, he probably skimmed the thread, saw your post, and thought "that's scummy imma vote here first".

i didn't like coliniscool's contrib. i don't actually believe colin thinks i'm the most suspicious person after reading the thread. i'll give him a pass for now since he's sick, but that shit don't slide by for The Syndicate's Best New Member

how did you get that from my rationale?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

how did you get that from my rationale?

There's at least a clear implication in your accusation that Colin felt your post was the "most" (i.e. #1) suspicious. That may not mean the rest of the posts are ranked, but of course not. Do you agree with DDL that Colin most likely skimmed the thread, took issue with your post, and decided that's where he'd throw his vote in his limited window of time?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It's manipulative. "You suspect me? You are not as good as this game as I thought you were". The goal of a sentence like this is not to figure things out, it's to disencourage the other person from doing that. This is villain talk.

With that in mind, what do you make of MacDougall discouraging me from taking on the mantle of leadership (before recanting and deferring it back to me)?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

i find impossible to believe colin would read the thread and decide that first post i made towards jay as the most supicious and vote-worthy thing in the game.

Why do you find that impossible?

because the thread progressed a lot from there, including that initial suspicion, my reads and expansions.

Is Colin a mafioso?

as of right now, no, i don't think so. but i don't think he will genuinely believe i'm the best vote option if he had more time to read the thread.

Wait, wait, wait, that's not what you said.

i didn't like coliniscool's contrib. i don't actually believe colin thinks i'm the most suspicious person after reading the thread. i'll give him a pass for now since he's sick, but that shit don't slide by for The Syndicate's Best New Member.

Present tense. Colin does not believe you are bad. Which means he's lying, which means he's bad.

Is Colin a mafioso?

as of right now, no, i don't think so. but i don't think he will genuinely believe i'm the best vote option if he had more time to read the thread.

Future tense. If Colin reads the thread, he will realize there is no reason to think you are bad. Right now he's just a misguided civilian who hasn't had time to read the thread.

Why are you changing your point of view? The former quote should put Colin right in the red, the later abstains from making a call. You are backpedalling.

[dunya]

i don't think this thread has blown up at the pace where they would both be ok with sitting behind and not feeling guilty about participation level. i think it's been relatively decently paced for 3 days.

Neither of those two is known for posting frequently. They're usually on the lower end of the spectrum. What does this mean to you?

reywas has over 100 posts in the current ongoing game.

sabie had close to 200 posts in a world asunder.

even if we disregard numbers, it's about content and context. context: sabie was around and didn't offer much content. context: reywas isn't making a real effort and while he's quoted some beefs he's had about the game, they are mostly o/t stuff about playstyle which doesn't mean much in game context to me.

i don't have real reasons to civ read either of them. the best thing i have for sabie is that from observing her, i've always felt she comes across scummy to me in the same way lunalee or nutella do. but that ain't fool proof.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

DDL is a civilian.

[dunya]

i find impossible to believe colin would read the thread and decide that first post i made towards jay as the most supicious and vote-worthy thing in the game.

Why do you find that impossible?

because the thread progressed a lot from there, including that initial suspicion, my reads and expansions.

Is Colin a mafioso?

as of right now, no, i don't think so. but i don't think he will genuinely believe i'm the best vote option if he had more time to read the thread.

Wait, wait, wait, that's not what you said.

i didn't like coliniscool's contrib. i don't actually believe colin thinks i'm the most suspicious person after reading the thread. i'll give him a pass for now since he's sick, but that shit don't slide by for The Syndicate's Best New Member.

Present tense. Colin does not believe you are bad. Which means he's lying, which means he's bad.

Is Colin a mafioso?

as of right now, no, i don't think so. but i don't think he will genuinely believe i'm the best vote option if he had more time to read the thread.

Future tense. If Colin reads the thread, he will realize there is no reason to think you are bad. Right now he's just a misguided civilian who hasn't had time to read the thread.

Why are you changing your point of view? The former quote should put Colin right in the red, the later abstains from making a call. You are backpedalling.

you're not catching me in some grand scum slip, i assure you.

the tenses doesn't mean anything. he read the thread, he voted for me. he said he was sick and doesn't have time to read the thread more -- i already acknowledge that in the first post since i reference that he is sick and i'm giving him a pass on that.

i say if he wasn't sick, and had more time to read the thread, he wouldn't have found that post as suspicious in context.

the best newcomer is poking and teasing a friend. colin knows what i think of his as a player, he was our RYM mentor for the longest time, and someone i personally invited to play here. i'd never demean him.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Why not?

You act like he carefully ranked every post in the thread up to that point and decided your post was the #1 most scummy.

When realistically, he probably skimmed the thread, saw your post, and thought "that's scummy imma vote here first".

i didn't like coliniscool's contrib. i don't actually believe colin thinks i'm the most suspicious person after reading the thread. i'll give him a pass for now since he's sick, but that shit don't slide by for The Syndicate's Best New Member

how did you get that from my rationale?

Because that wasn't the post I got the rationale from. It was this one:

that's not what i did. i said i find impossible to believe colin would read the thread and decide that first post i made towards jay as the most supicious and vote-worthy thing in the game.

"the first post I made is THE MOST SUSPICIOUS AND VOTE WORTHY THING IN THE GAME"

That means he has to had read every post in the game, with attention, compared your post to the others and decided not a single one of them are more suspicious than ours.

When in reality, no one does that, we just pay more attention to posts that ping us and use them to accuse people.

[ColinIsCool]

Conditioning Colin's status as best new player to not reading dunya as bad is a disgusting piece of manipulation.

It's not civilian thought proccess.

I know I’m pretty shitty, so if it’s manipulation it’s not exactly a winning strategy imo

[dunya]

"the first post I made is THE MOST SUSPICIOUS AND VOTE WORTHY THING IN THE GAME"

That means he has to had read every post in the game, with attention, compared your post to the others and decided not a single one of them are more suspicious than ours.

When in reality, no one does that, we just pay more attention to posts that ping us and use them to accuse people.

you're just putting words into my mouth now, and that's fine, you do you and exhaust that motive. i've said what i meant and there's nothing more to add.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]dunya[/mention], present read on DDL, go.

[dunya]

dunya, present read on DDL, go.

town.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention], present read on Colin, go.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention], present read on dunya and DDL, go.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

It's manipulative. "You suspect me? You are not as good as this game as I thought you were". The goal of a sentence like this is not to figure things out, it's to disencourage the other person from doing that. This is villain talk.

With that in mind, what do you make of MacDougall discouraging me from taking on the mantle of leadership (before recanting and deferring it back to me)?

There's a good chance he's just being a prick (sorry Mac). Mac likes to mock your playstyle. I've seen him do it before.

That said the one time I saw him do the most was in that game I was bad with him. You could make a case that baddie Mac gets arrogant about a civ jay who is failing to lead town, and criticizes him for it. But civ Mac could share baddie Mac's opinion and just want to make a stab at what he sees as a waste of effort.

[ColinIsCool]

I see where both dunya and DDL are coming from above. I hadn’t read the whole thread by the time I made that post which I believe I said. I have read the whole thread now, although probably not that well. Feeling kinda dazed today

[Dragon D. Luffy]

i don't think this thread has blown up at the pace where they would both be ok with sitting behind and not feeling guilty about participation level. i think it's been relatively decently paced for 3 days.

Neither of those two is known for posting frequently. They're usually on the lower end of the spectrum. What does this mean to you?

reywas has over 100 posts in the current ongoing game.

sabie had close to 200 posts in a world asunder.

even if we disregard numbers, it's about content and context. context: sabie was around and didn't offer much content. context: reywas isn't making a real effort and while he's quoted some beefs he's had about the game, they are mostly o/t stuff about playstyle which doesn't mean much in game context to me.

i don't have real reasons to civ read either of them. the best thing i have for sabie is that from observing her, i've always felt she comes across scummy to me in the same way lunalee or nutella do. but that ain't fool proof.

Reywas being super active in another game is a grat reason for him not to be active in this one, honestly.

It's not just time, when I'm focused on a game I have a hard time paying attention to the other. My mind just keeps going back to the one where I'm doing the hunting (or blending).

[Dragon D. Luffy]

@Dragon D. Luffy, present read on Colin, go.

DOn't have one. I pretty much skimmed it when he started posting.

[ColinIsCool]

@ColinIsCool, present read on dunya and DDL, go.

I kinda think they’re both town now. I think I overreacted a little with dunya and DDL looks good from everything I’ve seen. I feel better saying they are town than I do saying that [VOTE: MAC] aubergine is anyway

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I mean Colin started posting and I was like "oh look here's here, let's give him time to accomodate while I look at those people who are already posting". So I didn't pay attention to him.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm getting a civ vibe from Mac. Though I've been wrong about that civ vibe before.

[ColinIsCool]

Can’t wait for the big dumb meat slab that comes along and gets everyone to vote in a landslide for reywaS or whoever

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Looking at Colin's ISO I don't feel much in either direction. He's still not connected. He kept saying Mac is fake but didn't explain it, which I get is a bit pingy for me.

[dunya]

Can’t wait for the big dumb meat slab that comes along and gets everyone to vote in a landslide for reywaS or whoever

i'm already bracing myself for the attack of mac. i'll probably log off and go to sleep as soon as he logs on and wake up tomorrow to my mislynch.

[dunya]

i still like DF, though he only came in and addressed points directed at him which is not always the best approach, especially when i'd like to hear more on how he feels about others. but something about him is very authentic. i've never played him before or spectated any of his games, but he doesn't make me feel nervous or suspicious.

[ColinIsCool]

I think I said earlier that Mac’s earliest posts felt “token,” as in it didn’t feel like he was really expressing his own thoughts there. I also got major pinged by one shortly thereafter where he rebutted an accusation against him as too simple — seemed kinda hand-wavey and WIFOMy

[dunya]

Just about through Monday’s posts — I got rankled by dunya’s early go at Jay, it felt almost token.

I didn't tell you to stop doing it. I am trying to tell you that this type of thing isn't going to encourage me to contribute (at the very least in the way that you would hope to see) because I take one look at multi paragraph posts full of game theory in them at 2.40pm on a Tuesday while I am approaching 3PMitis and decide that antagonising the goof doing it is just as good a use of my effort as being helpful.

Need I remind you that we don't get "Jay is civilian" written in our rolecards?

What does that have to do with your motivation to play with your own effort?

See I don't even know what kind of question that is. I am squinting at the sentence just to try to understand it. My motivation to play with my own effort? Nope, brain still struggling with Jaytalk... C'mon brain, process this information! What!? Why is this so hard brain!?

Nope sorry I don't understand what you're saying.

I am always happy to step back and let other civilian(s) have a go and whipping the thread into shape. I just need someone to actually say "Yes, JaggedJimmyJay, I really want to do that."

That doesn't mean I'll shut the hell up, but I don't have to be the in the spotlight. I do this because I genuinely expect that nobody else will -- especially when Sloonei is the host and dunya is strapped for time.

No you go ahead. I'm gonna pick my shots on this one.

Everything Mac is saying here feels fake.

you called my post token, but you called mac's fake.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Gonna be in class for a bit. Talk about things.

[MacDougall]

Jay had a civ read on me until I used a Trump gif.

[MacDougall]

Spoiler: show

She's completely different from what I'm used to, which has always been civ. So GTH she's bad.

But GTH sucks and fails to consider she is obviously roleplaying, so more like neutral from now.

What is completely different about her?

Normally I'm expecting a single, 8 line paragraph on how she is unsure about a bunch of different topics.

This is so specific that I struggle to believe it.

i can see why it feels fabricated, but is it an accurate representation of sabie outside roleplay? i checked the ongoing game and can see a lot of variety in her posts, more beefy content as the game progressed. we won't talk about that now since we don't know her alignment and the game is ongoing.

then i checked a world asunder and honestly, i did see more beefy content as a whole from her there. the observation isn't completely unwarranted for someone who's played with her in a few games recently. but it was day 0. she was role playing a character she loves in a show she expressed genuine excitement about even in the sign up thread. and she did have a funeral and personal reasons yesterday. the question is would she use roleplay to mask discomfort at being given a scum role or not?

as much as i'd like to give ddl shit for that, i don't think it was a bad observation. i just dislike how he made it, and tried to get it to stick, then pulled out of it.

Like this dunya content a lot.

This guy is Mafia. If you can't see it then you don't have the skillz I possess.

Aight, since you guys seem desparate to lynch me day 1 I'll go ahead and solve the game for you so you can just win anyway k? I'm gonna use percentages of civilian mindset to demonstrate. The lower the percentage the less civilian. Anything under 50% is a suspect.

ColonialBob is Mafia (10%). This post is buddying Dunya, so she isn't Mafia. He's just hiding in her pocket. Bob is keeping a low profile here ever since I accused him. He's just sitting back and watching for a mislynch.

DDL (40%) has confirmation bias towards me which is why he isn't voting me so I was wrong and he is also Mafia.

Colin is town I think (70%). Quin is definitely town (love Quin, follow him 90%). I am quite sure Epi is town (80%).

After dwelling on it I think DFaraday is town (70%), his play has been pretty clear headed (I expect people to use this to lynch me but whatever).

Sabie (45%) is blending but I don't have a good read on her yet. Same goes for Reywas (50%).

Nova meh (50%).

I think Jay is a civilian but any civ read of Jay always comes with a healthy level of doubt (60%). If he is Mafia he won't sustain the contribution rate and/or he'll get night killed for being right about someone at some stage.

I gotta go to work, I'll try to spend some time formulating an opion on Sabie and Reywas if I can.

Meta musings: I don't draw this much suspicion when I am genuinely Mafia (early on anyway), it's only when I am playing with a slippery tongue as a civilian. It's documented so much it's canon. Self meta analysis isn't really worth listening to but nobody else seems to be pointing out this obvious fact so I guess I have to.

[MacDougall]

I think I said earlier that Mac’s earliest posts felt “token,” as in it didn’t feel like he was really expressing his own thoughts there. I also got major pinged by one shortly thereafter where he rebutted an accusation against him as too simple — seemed kinda hand-wavey and WIFOMy

All I'm doing is expressing truly free Mac-like thoughts. Perhaps you are just taken aback by the fact that I am capable of rebel thought in the face of an avalanche of Dunya-Jay robot posts. I know, I'm quite the revolutionary aren't I.

[MacDougall]

Can’t wait for the big dumb meat slab that comes along and gets everyone to vote in a landslide for reywaS or whoever

i'm already bracing myself for the attack of mac. i'll probably log off and go to sleep as soon as he logs on and wake up tomorrow to my mislynch.

Pass.

[dunya]

i'm the only one who didn't get a percentage?

[MacDougall]

I am surprised that after all the analysis and hunting Jay did that he threw it all out, including a scum read of me, in the middle of a conversation with Dunya to vote me on the back of a single post I made. Maybe my choice of words was weird or something but it's a little bit weird? Regardless casting his vote on me kind of renders the rest of his play, of which there is a significant volume, kinda hollow and meaningless.

[MacDougall]

i'm the only one who didn't get a percentage?

Yeah I decided to do the percentage thing after I mentioned you and then overlooked it. I'd have you at like 65% but mostly because I am very sure that ColonialBob is Mafia and you and him can't be teammates.

[MacDougall]

I am surprised that after all the analysis and hunting Jay did that he threw it all out, including a scum read of me, in the middle of a conversation with Dunya to vote me on the back of a single post I made. Maybe my choice of words was weird or something but it's a little bit weird? Regardless casting his vote on me kind of renders the rest of his play, of which there is a significant volume, kinda hollow and meaningless.

*Including a civ read on me obvs

[dunya]

why would cbob have to hide? you barely went after him. it was a soft accusation, that i even felt could be early distancing, and then you retreated and voted for DF who you now claim has been clear headed...

the last part is exactly what scum-mac would say about the self-meta analysis. i'm not moved.

this is the first time i've been called a robot though. i'm....flattered?

[dunya]

but mostly because I am very sure that ColonialBob is Mafia and you and him can't be teammates.

why can't we?

because he "pocketed" me by agreeing with me about you? what about colin? he also agreed with that same post cbob did.

[MacDougall]

why would cbob have to hide? you barely went after him. it was a soft accusation, that i even felt could be early distancing, and then you retreated and voted for DF who you now claim has been clear headed...

the last part is exactly what scum-mac would say about the self-meta analysis. i'm not moved.

this is the first time i've been called a robot though. i'm....flattered?

If I have a scum read of a person based on barely any posts the obvious way to not feed my read is to post less.

The last part is exactly what any mac would say.

[MacDougall]

but mostly because I am very sure that ColonialBob is Mafia and you and him can't be teammates.

why can't we?

because he "pocketed" me by agreeing with me about you? what about colin? he also agreed with that same post cbob did.

I actually didn't even read the post he was agreeing with. It was the fact that ColonialBob just found a Dunya chunk and was like "yeah here's a warm safe space I'll reside here". ColonialBob is bad. Colin has been making reads and posts. They are night and day.

[dunya]

If I have a scum read of a person based on barely any posts the obvious way to not feed my read is to post less.

i see.

so cbob is now in hiding because he's scared to awaken the tiger in you is what you're saying?

[MacDougall]

Dunya I am just here trying to gamesolve around you at this point so if you wouldn't mind ...

[MacDougall]

If I have a scum read of a person based on barely any posts the obvious way to not feed my read is to post less.

i see.

so cbob is now in hiding because he's scared to awaken the tiger in you is what you're saying?

Yeah well when you want to frame my point in a way that makes me seem pompous I'm not even sure how that's relevant to my alignment. Are you in the lynch scum Mac business or be a dick to Mac for being Mac business?