It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia [END]

[dunya]

Sloonei, Juliets and Dunya. May I interest you in a round of GTH?

i'm sorry, i'm not feeling well, truly. i'll check in tomorrow. have a nice night people.

[novaselinenever]

Sloonei, Juliets and Dunya. May I interest you in a round of GTH?

i'm sorry, i'm not feeling well, truly. i'll check in tomorrow. have a nice night people.

That's all right. Hope you feel better!

[novaselinenever]

Without re-reading, this is where I'm at currently. I think it might very change drastically so I'll go to the lab

ColinIsCool - good
dunya - good
juliets - good
Lunalee - good
M Plus 7 - good
MacDougall - bad
Mongoose - bad
novaselinenever - great
Sloonei - great

[novaselinenever]

I'll be busy the whole thursday so don't expect a lot from me during the night phase.

[novaselinenever]

Why is Sloonei great in my gth read lol?

That's reserved to me

[juliets]

Oh sorry nova I was on the phone to my mom and I'm about to eat. I would be glad to participate in a GTH sometime in this night phase though, maybe when we've got a few people around.

linki - ok ill do one right after I eat.

[juliets]

lol nova why did you include yourself in your GTH reads?

[Mongoose]

I don't know why but the first thing that came to my mind for reconsideration is my read on Luna.

Yes let’s discuss

[Mongoose]

I don't know why but the first thing that came to my mind for reconsideration is my read on Luna.

What are you thinking specifically?

I really don't know lol. It was just the first thought I got after seeing that disappointing result, a gut feeling that I maybe wrong there.

Sloonei asked for my gut and that’s what my gut said.

[Mongoose]

mac: why do you townread everyone that you're town reading?

I am also super interested in this answer.

Okay, yoga is over, I’m returning to work.

[novaselinenever]

lol nova why did you include yourself in your GTH reads?

I wanted to include "great" on top of good/bad

[Sloonei]

Why is Sloonei great in my gth read lol?

That's reserved to me

Freudian slip, glad to know what you really think of me.

[Sloonei]

GTH reads are great but I don’t want to do them right now. I have another plan. But first I need dinner.

[juliets]

GTH reads are great but I don’t want to do them right now. I have another plan. But first I need dinner.

Does that mean I should hold up because we are going to do something else?

[Sloonei]

GTH reads are great but I don’t want to do them right now. I have another plan. But first I need dinner.

Does that mean I should hold up because we are going to do something else?

Definitely not. I just mean personally, I don’t feel prepared to offer GTH reads and I have something else planned. I encourage everyone else to share GTH reads or any other type of read they feel like.

[juliets]

GTH -

dunya - good
Sloonei - good
nova - good
colin - good
Luna - good
Mongoose - good
MP - bad - I did everyone else and was left with MP and Mac - where did I go wrong?
Mac - bad - dunya talk to me, I was left with Mac and MP after I did everyone else

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]thellama73[/mention] is replacing [mention]M Plus 7[/mention].

Please do not talk about replacement actions in the game. Thank you.

[Sloonei]

Hey llama are you bad?

[juliets]

ok well I'm definitely thinking my GTH isn't right, that MP was just too busy.

Hi llama! Welcome.

[Mongoose]

[quote=JaggedJimmyJay post_id=521236 time=1552522738 user_id=402]
@thellama73 is replacing MP7

Please do not talk about replacement actions in the game. Thank you.

I went to work only to find the internet was down and then I come home to this news! It's literally been years and years since the Animal Sanctuary Squad was together like this.


So I'm around although I am exhausted by a high-energy, super intense work day, so I am not sure how much I will stick around. I'm excited to see a GTH and will do one once I see one (because I don't know what one is yet).

XOXO,

[juliets]

oh no did I break the rule? I didn't see it.

[Mongoose]

Ugh I messed up my quoting in the above post like a complete noob. Please read everything that isn't in golden font as mine.

[Mongoose]

oh no did I break the rule? I didn't see it.

oh no! I just wrote my own post within the host's post on accident - I wasn't quoting it at you.

[juliets]

[mention]Mongoose[/mention], it means go through the game list and call everyone either "good" or "bad". You can't say "I don't know" or "null". You're forced to make a choice.

And lol, it's ok I just literally didn't see Jay's warning because at night I can't see the lighter colors very well.

[Mongoose]

@Mongoose, it means go through the game list and call everyone either "good" or "bad". You can't say "I don't know" or "null". You're forced to make a choice.

And lol, it's ok I just literally didn't see Jay's warning because at night I can't see the lighter colors very well.

Oh thank you! I can do that.

[Mongoose]

Oof, I am married to so few of these.

SUBECT TO CHANGE

ColinIsCool good
dunya good
juliets good
Lunalee bad?
MacDougall good
Mongoose goodgoose
novaselinenever good
Sloonei angelic

This is not going to work out well for me.

[Mongoose]

GTH reads are great but I don’t want to do them right now. I have another plan. But first I need dinner.

Don't leave me haaaaanging on the telllllllllllephone

[juliets]

Oof, I am married to so few of these.

SUBECT TO CHANGE

ColinIsCool good
dunya good
juliets good
Lunalee bad?
MacDougall good
Mongoose goodgoose
novaselinenever good
Sloonei angelic

This is not going to work out well for me.

Maybe I need to give Luna another look.

[Mongoose]

Nobody knows who or what to lynch. So let's lynch MP. Easy done.

let's lynch sprityo instead. he made no effort until he got some heat and now he's playing the "idgaf" attitude.

for a game of 10, mafia only need 2 mislynches. seeing the thread navigate in circles away from him certainly wouldn't encourage a mafioso replacing in to contribute. i sure as heck wouldnt. i would have taken my sweet time to catch up.

Damn. I was kinda rattled that a low-posting dude was garnering votes (not in a sanctimonious way), but after seeing this I don't blame you guys. It comes across flippant ( which is something you can pull off if you have a baddie teammate to do the heavy lifting -- not making as much effort, that is), and if I had seen that, I would have absolutely jumped on the bandwagon.

[Mongoose]

Oof, I am married to so few of these.

SUBECT TO CHANGE

ColinIsCool good
dunya good
juliets good
Lunalee bad?
MacDougall good
Mongoose goodgoose
novaselinenever good
Sloonei angelic

This is not going to work out well for me.

Maybe I need to give Luna another look.

I got some mild to moderate flack for this in Day 1, but I can't understand why there's resistance to delving deeper with her. I mean to me, no one is above receiving scrutiny, except Sloonei (Sloonei, if you are Kaiser Soze'ing me, I will be so impressed/apoplectic)

[Sloonei]

Let's see what people have said about each other.

juliets is always too good to be true.

Unclear what Colin's intent is, but this seems to be a joke anyway. He can clarify if this was supposed to mean something.

[VOTE: Colin] aubergine

I think Sloonei is town based on his day 0 reads. But he oughta know better than this

Sloonei is town.

So let me tell you guys one more time. I was here early this morning. Nothing that I thought was substantive had happened yet. I got off work at 4:00 and got to the thread sometime between 4:30 and 5:00 and saw several things I wanted to comment on/question and so I did. Just because someone suspects me doesn't mean I am going to shut down my play style. You can try to make it into something it isn't which is what you guys are doing but it is not what you're trying to make it. I was the same in Asunder as I have been in every other game I play - asking questions. That's the last I'll say about yesterday/today unless I'm asked a specific question.

This reads very authentic to me.

juliets is authentic

So: speedchuck is playing?

speedchuck is inactive

I don’t really have any suspects right now, but I do not think it’s Sloonei or juliets. Luna is probably good, I can buy that emulating Jay thing.

juliets, luna, and sloonei are good.

I don’t really have any suspects right now, but I do not think it’s Sloonei or juliets. Luna is probably good, I can buy that emulating Jay thing.

What do you think about Dunya?

Neutral. Dunya is very good at assuming a town-looking position when scum but I don’t have any particular reason to read her either way.

dunya is neutral

[VOTE: Dunya] aubergine

Let’s fucking DUEL my friend

vote for dunya

ColinIsCool — obvs fucking town
dunya — prob town
juliets — prob town
Lunalee — lean town
M Plus 7 — null, nothing, should be grilled if around
MacDougall — close to null, should be grilled
Mongoose — read authentic town earlier, but should be grilled
novaselinenever — read authentic town earlier but that Frank post is BS
Sloonei — town but I’m anti-authority
speedchuck — bye

dunya, juliets, luna, and sloonei are unconditional town reads
Mongoose and nova are conditional town reads
MP, Mac, and speedchuck are null.

Because I can’t remember anything noteworthy that most of the people here have done, but from those that I can, none of it is pingy.

What good things have luna and juliets done? Why is mac null? His ISO isn’t long, but there’s stuff there.

I think juliets reaction under pressure looked good. I think Luna’s hunting ideas look authentic. I can’t think of a single thing offhand Mac has done except coming in here and throwing reads out (NAI) and I think he called me town.

juliets is good, luna is good.
Mac is null.
(This is an elaboration on his previous post)

Mac really does get me.

As a reminder — when I’m scum I’m very careful and deliberate about what I do. When I roll town ... not so much. I do dumb shit all the time and I admit it. I think this is a verbatim defense I offered in Outpost, where I was a bumbling townie. I am pretty much always a bumbling townie these days.

Mac gets him.

I WILL reread the thread and give better thoughts. But for now I will say that I can understand Sloonei’s assessment of me and I give him town cred for it. If he’s scum he’s putting in a ton of roof-care into it.

Sloonei gets town credit.

Colin had very little criticism to offer on Day 1. He mostly had nice things to say about us. His principal targets were low-posters and Mac, but his last post gives an indication that he was starting to come around on him. There was some early tension with dunya, but he evidently changed his mind on that. He voted not to lynch like a turkey.

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] what's your read on Mac and how did your town read on dunya come about?

[Mongoose]

I'm never around when all you other folks around. But I'm here!

Warrrrrriors, come out and play-haaaay

[juliets]

Oof, I am married to so few of these.

SUBECT TO CHANGE

ColinIsCool good
dunya good
juliets good
Lunalee bad?
MacDougall good
Mongoose goodgoose
novaselinenever good
Sloonei angelic

This is not going to work out well for me.

Maybe I need to give Luna another look.

I got some mild to moderate flack for this in Day 1, but I can't understand why there's resistance to delving deeper with her. I mean to me, no one is above receiving scrutiny, except Sloonei (Sloonei, if you are Kaiser Soze'ing me, I will be so impressed/apoplectic)

Yes I definitely got the impression that Luna is off limits for some reason which is why I need to go back and read her. I'll do it tomorrow when I'm fresh.

[MacDougall]

I haven't had a game where I was more in the dark than this in a while. Everyone looks civ to some degree except MP.

[Sloonei]

Glad to be playing with you all again!

MP a civ

MP is town.

Third time's the charm?

3rd time mafia?

speedchuck/ mongoose maf team.

Mongoose is mafia (speedchuck omitted cuz she's jokin)

sloonei town
jules town (even if she's bad, she's town. i'll be ok with losing to baddie jules tbh)
mp town

speed maf
mongoose maf

that's what i got for now. go forth and conquer.

sloonei and juliets are town
Mongoose and speedchuck are mafia

no but seriously, i really did feel mongoose's entry was a little more stiff than her previous two.

Further emphasis on mongoose scum read

Hi! I'm nova and I'm tired of losing

Spoiler: show

As a civilian

i believe you, leonard. i really do.

nova is to be believed

hottake: juliets is bad

juliets is bad

hottake: juliets is bad

I love hot takes. Tell me more

she has made a total of 3 posts in between a lot of us already talking about other players as we always do. 3 of those posts had nothing to do with the game content. one was a typical juliets checkin, the second was comforting mongoose's playstyle in the same way i did (and a direct mention to how dunya/sloonei were making reads), and the last is to tell us about her schedule. she was online yesterday and today and that is all she managed to offer. i feel like this is in direct contrast with her usual day 0 conduct where she digs in and asks people for elaborations or some such. and her post to mongoose makes it clear she was up to speed with the game progress...and i know juliets, she reads every post in the game she's in.

at least i don't feel jules/mongoose would be w/w based on her second post directed towards mongoose.

with all that said, i'd sooner lynch myself day 1 than lynch juliets. so let's find her teammate!

Elaboration on juliets scum read
Juliets and Mongoose are not teammates

hotter take, juliets and sloonei are w/w

juliets and sloonei are scum

Nova and dunya are both town now, it’s a miracle

What changed?

I'm on my phone but something about Lunalee giving me town cred cos my town is shining so bright males me uneasy and her rationale about how I pointed out the juliets stuff also feels weak. If I was bad, I would do the same thing and look for the same inconsistencies tbh.

Luna's read feels fake.

i wanna believe ya'll can townread dunya so badly, so i'm gonna believe ya'll.

Don't worry dunya, if we last until lylo or mylo, I will re-evaluate my stance on you. Consider all town-reads temporary.

hold my beer while i go and re-read luna in spaceforce for civ-civ dunya-luna action.

what a disgusting performance by me that game.

i'll give you some town cred luna for seeing through to town-dunya early that game as well.

Meta-towncred for luna

speedchuck and colin have given me 0 reasons to town read them. discuss.

speedchuck and colin have no townie points.

i do think juliets is bad, but i'm not a monster despite what you all think of me. no way would i lynch her day 1.

let's talk about how mongoose is mia today after getting a little heat from me yesterday

[VOTE: Mongoose] aubergine

juliets is bad. Vote for Mongoose.

I'll give u better than that

Everyone's town except 2 of the below:

Juliets
Mongoose
Colin
Speed

There's your pool of 4.

juliets, mongoose, colin, and speedchuck are suspects. (By extension, luna, mac, MP, nova, and sloonei are town.)

I AM TOWN

I know I know

Mac is town.

I suspect Colin for not giving me a reason to town read him but I don't think his activity in games recently is alignment indicative.

Substantiated colin suspicion.

I don’t really have any suspects right now, but I do not think it’s Sloonei or juliets. Luna is probably good, I can buy that emulating Jay thing.

What do you think about Dunya?

Neutral. Dunya is very good at assuming a town-looking position when scum but I don’t have any particular reason to read her either way.

What. No she isn't. She looks scum when she's town. Scum when she's scum. Scum when she's mod. She plays fuck you style all the time. I suppose perhaps that's what you mean. I dunno. It's late. Fuck you dad.

i think his rationale is bullshit, good catch dad.

it's bullshit because colin always cant read me for shit. since when do i look "town" anytime to him? every game he's always scum read me. so fake. colin and juliets my top suspects today.

hope everything's ok speedchuck

Colin is bad. She votes for him in the next post.

did mongoose forget this game was going on? :o

and did mp disappear into the voids of the earth again?

is speedchuck going to be replaced before eod?

stay tuned and all this and more will probably never be answered.

MP, Mongoose, and speedchuck are inactive.

I do have a hard time reading dunya, but Mac is right. Part of that is because her town form always looks so scummy to me so I shouldn’t have said town-looking, I should have said town looking with the caveat.

Colin rides his bike wrong.

I need to start identifying town so I can work my POE. Right now my strongest town read is Sloonei. I liked his post where he gave everyone grades, shows he is approaching the game analytically, and I like the post where he asked everyone to get moving and vote. Voting early is not really my style but he convinced me it was the right thing to do. I won't be putting a vote on Sloonei today unless something big happens to convince me he is bad.

i've been townclearing and reading people before cool sloonei did. why does he get more credit than me on that end?

why is someone who approaches the game "analytically" town-cleared at all for that matter?

I think it is harder for someone who is bad to be analytical. And I'm not saying you are bad, I just don't have much experience playing with you so I'm more wary. I'll look back at UPick today, a game where I remember you were good and make a comparison.

linki - I've been wondering the same about Mongoose.

you're not saying i am bad, but [you] have been saying sloonei is shining town for pushing reads out, while i've been doing the same exact thing.

if jay and mp have taught us anything, or even quin's last day phase in community, you can 100% be analytical and bad. so easy to spurt bs and disguise them as smart truths when you're bad. i don't at all believe in the notion that analytics makes a person good.

juliets is making contradictory statements.

am i the only person who read mac's I AM TOWN as exactly him being town? cos i have him as solid town, baby. can't wait to get egged in the face

Mac is town.

speedchuck asking for a replacement doesn't at all sway me from removing him from my poe. he and his replacement have not done anything i can credit with town behavior. he is still 100% a suspect.

speedchuck is a suspect

i dunno guys, when i vote for someone, i usually have interest in them getting lynched especially when accompanied with rationale. but maybe i'm just mafiaing wrong. i'ma try it your way.

[VOTE: novaselinelover] aubergine

I think this vote was a joke, so I'm hesitant to color-code it.

juliets is safest imo.

i feel like im tunneling at this point, but there's an uneasy feeling i can't shake.

it's really nice to see you around Mongoose, thanks for catching up and sorry life is kicking your butt in.

i have some bad news irl and my posting may be affected while this is resolved, apologies to all, but i'll try my best for town and our host

juliets has been too safe.

I wouldn't dispute a Colin lynch right now. I can see him as a callous civilian or a bumbling Mafia. The question is which is more likely to be Colin? The bumbling Mafia caught day 1 or the civilian suffering from a case of "oh shit I do look bad"?

check ancient greece. colin fell there and was lynched. i don't remember exactly why now and how he reacted, ima go check.

he came across cheeky and a bit arrogant here; this is something i have grown to attribute to town colin. not sure if it was scum colin too.

Meta town read on Colin.

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

hi replacement, how ya doing

vote speedchuck (soon to be sprityo)

juliets in UPick asked a lot of questions, even in day 0, but i felt like the questions and answers she received were actually weighted ones. even after asking questions here and falling into her usual meta, my concern is that i still haven't felt that juliets has really used any of the feedback she's received to further develop her own opinions on behavior. it's a bit like cbob's "busywork" case in community.

but i do feel like i'm falling into tunneling territory here, so i will pull back for now and give juliets a chance.

so, let's talk about colin.

Meta scum read on juliets, but with slight hesitation.

did you see any resemblance of colin here to colin of ancient greece, sloonei? because i didn't.

Emphasizes the meta town read on Colin.

sloonei: i went ahead and saw what you saw in nova. that authenticity in wanting to win games as "town" as you interpreted his post. but i also see the same style of hunting i witnessed in community. do you see a difference here?

Unsure about nova.

In RE: The State v. Juliets: Nah. While I understand the case folks were making on her, it seemed like a mountain of molehole. An allegation that she uncharacteristically wasn't here enough but when she did, she didn't draw out the right posts or ask the right questions. I'm not looking there yet.

I feel like this isn't an accurate representation of what transpired, bordering on misrepresentation (with TMI defence).

It doesn't look like you understood what sloonei or I were trying to get at after all.

[VOTE: Mongoose] aubergine

I did say only one of jules/Mongoose is bad ;p

direct accusation and vote against mongoose.

re: nova's posts on mac

if anything, this reads like genuine civ mac. he can do a 180 on a person 10 times in the game when he's civ.

mac is town.

[VOTE: juliets] aubergine

I’ve tried giving her space to build cases and do her thing all day, but she hasn’t. I still do not have a clear sense of where her head is at in the scum hunting process. I usually do.

I urge you to reconsider. I sense your frustration but I don’t think this will end well. I could absolutely be wrong and I’ll feel really stupid and duped, it’s an absolute possibility. But just make sure you’re in for 10?

Linki

I’m always open to alternatives, but I’ve spent this entire phase trying not to scum read her and it hasn’t succeeded. I had the opposite reaction to the post that you and luna have called “frustrated civ”, and most of her contributions this phase have been responses to others and questions that don’t seem to have any objective to them. I’ll compile a more comprehensive case shortly, but for now I just have to say that I have been reconsidering juliets all day to no avail.

same tbh, but i felt like a total ass after her frustrated post. i don't like juliets feeling that way especially knowing i was the cause of it.

juliets is still kinda bad

I just don’t think a first day mislynch is gonna do the town any favors if we can’t get our shizz together.

a lot of games have started with mafia d1 lynched and also ended with civilians losing. tempo is nothing. it's all about effort and what we learn along the way. day 1 is voting for the person you have the least reasons to townread (who isn't completely mia, i'm never behind lynching completely mia players in either alignment especially on day 1...cos that is a total crapshoot and not much you can analyze post flip).

i like your posts better this afternoon.

Mongoose looks better late in the phase.

i can't read luna, everything she does should scream scum but i've played with her enough times to know that usually means the opposite.

i'm relying on your tone read of nova more than i am seeing it tbh. i don't have much experience playing with an *active* nova.

why don't you suspect mongoose? if u have time to elaborate however briefly before class..

Unsure about luna. There's also a comment about nova but I'm unsure what to make of it.

i agree with sloonei, though, no way would scum colin not stick a vote literally ANYWHERE but no lynch.

you also did that "too scummy to be scum" thing on mac, sloonei.

Colin is not scum.

but i don't think mac is acting scummy. scum mac just wouldn't keep contradicting himself and going back and forth on the same read. he might start doing it after this game to shit with us, but i wholly attribute that behavior to civ mac.

Mac is not scum.

sloonei, maybe you missed my previous post. what about mongoose is town to you?

Sincerity. While I don’t think she’s given a ton of reads, she has been an open and willing participant in conversations whenever she’s been around. I don’t feel like she’s hiding.

But she hasn’t shared many reads.

she hasn't named 1 suspect.

do you attribute that behavior with town or scum? easy for scum to go naming and defending people by calling them town, since they literally are usually, harder for scum to build suspicion and cases against someone they think is bad. on the other hand, it's easier for a civilian to see motives and scum-like behavior in everyone but themselves, especially on day 1. i know i may seem hypocritical since i've town cleared so many, but i'm going to say mongoose is not that familiar with everyone else's playstyle (at least not recently) to be so on the fence and hesitant about calling ANY behavior scummy.

that's where my issue lies with her atm. i do agree she seems sincere, just as juliets was in her post voicing frustrations. but sincerity can be real in everything she's said, because she hasn't said any *lies*.

Mongoose has no suspects.

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

vote for sprityo

Spoiler: show

I don't recall ever getting a town read from Luna. She's always uneasy or unsure about me when I'm town 'cause I mess around. Funny thing is she read me as scum when she was a baddie in our last game together and she ended up getting lynched. Trying a new approach?

I'll have to agree with Dunya also about Luna's read on her. That "Town shines brightly" is funny looking, and it looks like something right out of Jay's eloquent gut reads.

Haven't really seen much from Luna since the early hours of D1

I'm adding nova to my town list:
dunya
novaselinenever

Updated town reads:
dunya
novaselinenever
Sloonei
juliets

Still a bit hesitant about voting Colin. He does look bad if you look at Sloonei's post analysis of him, but also I'm bad at reading Colin and literally just mis-lynched him in another game.

I'm between staying on Colin and switching to Mongoose. I want to trust dunya's hunch there.

What are your own original thoughts about Mongoose?

Also what happened to your Mac vote? (If I'm not mistaken lol)

I thought you were with me there

i don't see anything in your post history re: Luna that indicates to me you see her in civ light. care to point me in that direction? that is a big red flag for me, considering tone and posts made everything seem you had her on your shitlist.

[VOTE: novaselinelover] aubergine

direct accusation against nova (a long exchange ensues)

lynch nova. he bad. he bad news.

what sloonei thought was a "town-slip", i see as a cheeky funny comment referencing his win in community.

concludes with an emphatic call to lynch nova

hottake at 10: nova/mongoose bad together.

nova and mongoose are jabronis.

[VOTE: Mongoose] aubergine

vote for mongoose

are we buying what sprityo's selling?

i hate the "idgaf" attitude and wouldn't be opposed to lynching him tbh. unhelpful townie attitude is a dangerous townie imo.

sprityo's attitude is fallacious

Nobody knows who or what to lynch. So let's lynch MP. Easy done.

let's lynch sprityo instead. he made no effort until he got some heat and now he's playing the "idgaf" attitude.

for a game of 10, mafia only need 2 mislynches. seeing the thread navigate in circles away from him certainly wouldn't encourage a mafioso replacing in to contribute. i sure as heck wouldnt. i would have taken my sweet time to catch up.

Calls for sprityo's lynch.

Nobody knows who or what to lynch. So let's lynch MP. Easy done.

Folks, is this your town Mac?

yeah.

This is our town Mac, folks.

i will not be lynching juliets.

juliets is not a lynch candidate.

tbf, nova tunneling mac is actually one of the points in his favor

townie point for nova

Is Dunya bad?

Maybe.

heartbreaking, coming from u.

Maybe I’m bad.

nah. i'll bet on that. if you are, you deserve to win.

sloonei is locktown

Conclusions: dunya has too many posts. I thank god I never have to ISO myself. She's been all over the place in the right ways. I am most interested in the development of her nova read here. She went after him hard at the end of the day and then dropped it abruptly. Why? And how do you feel about nova now, dunya?

my apologies for the wall. it's dunya's fault.

[MacDougall]

ColinIsCool - sus
dunya - good
juliets - good
Lunalee - good
M Plus 7 - undeserved of any opinion
Mongoose - sus
novaselinenever - dumb but good
Sloonei - good

[Sloonei]

Additional question for [mention]dunya[/mention]: why was MP/llama a town read but not speedchuck/sprityo?

[Mongoose]

Wow, thanks for all the work you put into that. I am kinda blown away.

[MacDougall]

mac: why do you townread everyone that you're town reading?

dunya - reads me correctly and is tone reading good
juliets - seemed very sincere when she told me I can't read her
Lunalee - I can't actually remember
novaselinenever - his suspicion of me seems morel like town incorrects than mafia bullshittery
Sloonei - is the driving force of all that is good and holy

[Mongoose]

mac: why do you townread everyone that you're town reading?

Lunalee - I can't actually remember

Seeeeee? No one can "actually remember" - there's something in the water.

[MacDougall]

I think I'll try Jay's "find the town instead of the scum" strategy this game. I think it will be easier for me.

This post is the reason I town read her I guess.

[Mongoose]

I think I'll try Jay's "find the town instead of the scum" strategy this game. I think it will be easier for me.

This post is the reason I town read her I guess.

Whyyyy? Anyone could say that, regardless of alignment. That's a Safety McSaferson thing to say. I'm not saying it's suspicious in of itself (clearly, it's not and do not misunderstand me), but it's hardly a Visa to Civ Country.

[MacDougall]

I dunno it seems like a hella weird thing for a Mafia to say. "It will be easier for me as Mafia to not hunt Mafia."

[juliets]

I haven't had a game where I was more in the dark than this in a while. Everyone looks civ to some degree except MP.

This is my favorite post of the game.

[Mongoose]

I dunno it seems like a hella weird thing for a Mafia to say. "It will be easier for me as Mafia to not hunt Mafia."

Yeah, but a mafia isn't going to exactly say "I'm going to pretend to figure out who the civs are since I already know" - I mean that would be tantamount to asking to be lynched.

I'm not reading into what she is saying one way or another above. I just can't read alignment one way or the other from it.

[Sloonei]

juliets posts:

Spoiler: show

no but seriously, i really did feel mongoose's entry was a little more stiff than her previous two.

Do you blame me after the raucous first day I had in Gossip Girl? That was brutalizing.

You got a read on dunya or nova?

Not yet, but I will amend when I do. I've played with them recently, so I could see a cabal thinking "Let's put a little pressure on Mongoose - she will get defensive and act weird and then we can vote her out early." I could also see them just desperate to grab onto any inkling of a ping on Day 0/Day 1 like we all are.

linki - Calibrating my playstyle to more suit this new world of mafia seems not only sensible but prudent. I'd expect anyone to do the same after playing one short game and literally one day period of another. My old style, which you would be unfamiliar with, seems a little antiquated for this new mafia landscape. It's more different than I could have ever realized.

Mongoose, don't feel like you have to change. As dunia said, everybody's style is different. I can't name people on day 0 who look bad or good after one post like Jay, dunia and Mac can do - no way. Be your normal wonderful self.

Mongoose don't need to change

hottake: juliets is bad

I love hot takes. Tell me more

she has made a total of 3 posts in between a lot of us already talking about other players as we always do. 3 of those posts had nothing to do with the game content. one was a typical juliets checkin, the second was comforting mongoose's playstyle in the same way i did (and a direct mention to how dunya/sloonei were making reads), and the last is to tell us about her schedule. she was online yesterday and today and that is all she managed to offer. i feel like this is in direct contrast with her usual day 0 conduct where she digs in and asks people for elaborations or some such. and her post to mongoose makes it clear she was up to speed with the game progress...and i know juliets, she reads every post in the game she's in.

at least i don't feel jules/mongoose would be w/w based on her second post directed towards mongoose.

with all that said, i'd sooner lynch myself day 1 than lynch juliets. so let's find her teammate!

I'm not sure what there is to dig in on. The people who normally throw out names for no reason early on in the game are doing so. I've given up asking Mac for reasons when he does this early game. Also, it's Day 0 - in my mind the game hasn't even started yet. I was online yesterday but I was mostly in discord and I was only online this morning for a very brief time before I went to work. Anyway, now that I'm home I'll look back and see if there's anything making me suspicious or convincing me this early that someone is town. Also, I am civ.

Mac's neutrality stands out in a sea of null.

So I've gathered that dunya is town. That's always a plus.

tell me why you have gathered i'm town

dunya, your town is shining so brightly it hurts. Mostly the way you suspected juliets for her posts. I wouldn't have necessarily noticed anything about her, but you did and said something about it.

So if I'm civ, do you still have a civ read on dunya?

light grilling for luna

What about yours?

I assume that if I give any reads you’ll all just tell me that I look like some sort of bird, or that I have nothing to contribute, and that I should just give up trying.

This is a mafia

I don't like this

What about it? Mac saying "this is mafia?" or Sloonei preemptively giving up?

Mac's. I don't buy what he's selling, and it reads more like him trying to throw a hot take out there and emulate supatown mac rather than being genuinely pinged. It's his only post, and it's the only thing he commented on even though there were stuff before it

In all the most recent games I've played with Mac he has thrown out names from the beginning that he says are bad or sometimes good. Why does this particular instance look like he's "emulating supatown" instead of being supatown. I just don't see the difference in this game and the others.

Meta defense of Mac.

So Sloonei, I'm not sure I understand some things in your post. You give MP credit for not having been here yet give me no credit for not having been here since early this morning. I saw some things worth commenting on this afternoon and so I did. So he gets a C for one post and I get a D?

I agree with you on some others. Colin for example speed and Mongoose. Mac I don't give an F at this point because I haven't seen him do anything that he doesn't do when he's civ. dunya I'm not sure about, you make the point she throws out reads whether she is good or bad so I really can't tell yet.

Supports suspicion against colin and speedchuck. Supports neutrality on Mongoose.

So Sloonei, I'm not sure I understand some things in your post. You give MP credit for not having been here yet give me no credit for not having been here since early this morning. I saw some things worth commenting on this afternoon and so I did. So he gets a C for one post and I get a D?

I agree with you on some others. Colin for example speed and Mongoose. Mac I don't give an F at this point because I haven't seen him do anything that he doesn't do when he's civ. dunya I'm not sure about, you make the point she throws out reads whether she is good or bad so I really can't tell yet.

I don't give MP credit for his absence, I just don't discredit him either. He hasn't played in forever because he's been too busy. That he's only made one post on Day 0 does not alarm me. Like dunya said, you were in the thread for an extended period of relative activity, but you did not jump in at the time.

I was mostly being cheeky with Mac's F because he went after me. But you've defended him twice now because you "haven't seem him do anything that he doesn't do as civ." Do you read him as civ here, then?

Where do you get the impression I was in the thread for an extended period of time? The window is always open on my computer.

I don't read Mac right now. I need to see more. My point is he throws out names at the beginning of every game regardless of alignment.

Soft defense of Mac.

i think you're an excellent mafia player, easy to town read and very good intuition and your line of questioning always takes you good places. you'd never be an easy mark for scum dunya to get mislynched, trust me on that.

ok thanks, I feel better about your questioning me, that it comes from a real place.

dunya feels good

speedchuck and colin have given me 0 reasons to town read them. discuss.

One thing I remember about speed is he doesn't post very much on the weekends because he is usually very busy. But I agree I haven't seen anything that makes me think he's civ yet. Same for Colin. Hopefully they show up soon.

pokes colin and speedchuck

You guys just go ahead and vote for me. Just don't say I didn't warn you. I'm fine dying on night 1 again.

Day 1 started a little over 3 hours ago. We’re all just throwing crap at the walls. Join us.

I think Colin or speed or maybe both are bad. Colin was here but didn't make posts to further the game. I gave speed a bye for not posting much yesterday but he's had plenty of time today. For the time being I'll put my vote on Colin since he's actually been here more than speed.

Colin and/or speedchuck are bad

I need to start identifying town so I can work my POE. Right now my strongest town read is Sloonei. I liked his post where he gave everyone grades, shows he is approaching the game analytically, and I like the post where he asked everyone to get moving and vote. Voting early is not really my style but he convinced me it was the right thing to do. I won't be putting a vote on Sloonei today unless something big happens to convince me he is bad.

Sloonei is emphatically town.

I'm not as comfortable voting Colin now so I'm moving my vote to speedchuck. He was online here yesterday but didn't post which makes me antsy.

Colin's status has improved so she votes for speedchuck.

Oh wow speed asked for a replacement. So I'm moving my vote to placeholder.

(Town pile)
dunya
Mac
Mongoose
Sloonei

That leaves:
Colin
speed
Luna*
MP
Nova
that I'm not ready to rule out yet.

* Luna always looks bad to me. I have to find better ways to differentiate bad Luna from good Luna, but since I can't rule her out at this point she stays in my POE.

Mechanics question: can someone help me on how to read the matrix? Am I looking at A, B, or C as the possibilities or 1, 2, or 3?

dunya, mac, mongoose, and sloonei are town.
Colin, speedchuck, luna, MP, & nova are suspects. Luna has a caveat.

Why is nova a suspect?

I didn't like his post about Mac "emulating" supatown Mac and his explanation didn't hold water for me. I also don't know what he's talking about re: my behavior in World Asunder. I was asking questions early on in that game, nothing anyone said changed my behavior. I also didn't like this post:

Third time's the charm?

Appeal to history? Appeal to emotions?

Not a good look madam

Mongoose's comment "Third time's the charm" sounds just like something she would say. It's talking about her history here since she's been back. I don't think it's a bad look at all and it seems like he's nitpicking.

So, all that keep him in my POE for now.

Elaboration of nova scum read and mongoose town read.

I was the first one to draw a connection between your behavior here and your behavior in A World Asunder. Why is it a bad look for nova but not a bad look for me?

I looked again at your ISO and found it and you're right it's a bad look for both of you. But, there are posts of yours that I pointed out that I like whereas there is nothing he has said that makes me thing "hmm, town". So, he remains in one pile and you remain in the other.

linki: my posts are safe? I do think you are tunneling dunya

Drops a singular bad look on sloonei before reaffirming a town read on him.

You guys just go ahead and vote for me. Just don't say I didn't warn you. I'm fine dying on night 1 again.

Day 1 started a little over 3 hours ago. We’re all just throwing crap at the walls. Join us.

I think Colin or speed or maybe both are bad. Colin was here but didn't make posts to further the game. I gave speed a bye for not posting much yesterday but he's had plenty of time today. For the time being I'll put my vote on Colin since he's actually been here more than speed.

do you attribute low posting for scum behavior?

I played in or co-hosted several games in a row where low posters were scum and got away with it so I am certainly sensitized to it. In some cases though, like MP who usually posts a lot regardless of alignment, I attribute the low posting to rl reasons. Mongoose is another example, I knew from discord she was crazy busy so didn't suspect her for low posting. Mac is another example - his employee quit and the work got dumped on him. So it really depends on the person and the circumstances.

Mongoose, MP, and Mac are all excused. juliets likes the letter M.

checking all his "recent games" is a mammoth of a commitment. i didn't mean it literally.

but after i refreshed myself on how he conducts himself, i feel i'm leaning more town tbh.

so yeah you're right, in Community he only had 3 pages of posts for 5 days - he lasted till the end. I'll look at one more game just to make sure but if it lines up like Community I will likely not vote for him.

@sprityo welcome to the game! I can tell you from experience the thread reads quickly - I've read it twice just this evening - so I'm hoping you will be able to contribute soon.

Returns to a position of not wanting to lynch Colin.

juliets: how do you feel about colin?

After looking at him in Community and Asunder (he only had 4 pages for 7 days) I'm inclined to heed your point and not vote him today.

Reaffirms her Colin stance.

welcome to the game, sprityo. dig in.

I’m the trash man

I get in the ring and throw a garbage can


And then I EAT the Garbage

This is your entry into the thread when we are approaching a EOD today? You're going to have to do better.

sprityo needs to do better.

I will be at work today until late this afternoon. I put a vote on sprityo because I don't like the way he entered the thread and speed before him didn't do anything.

If you are considering voting for me because you think this is my baddie meta I beg you to go look at a game where I was civ. My behavior in Asunder was my civ behavior because I was hunting another team. You will see in other games that I question and prod and ask opinions because as I said earlier, that's the way I assimilate the game as well as hunt. I don't always do something right away in the thread with the information I glean but every answer I get informs my opinions and next steps. This is just the way I play.

Ok I'm off for the day. I should be back before EOD but I won't have much time.

A vote for sprityo.

GTH -

dunya - good
Sloonei - good
nova - good
colin - good
Luna - good
Mongoose - good
MP - bad - I did everyone else and was left with MP and Mac - where did I go wrong?
Mac - bad - dunya talk to me, I was left with Mac and MP after I did everyone else

Now Mac and MP are the two baddies.

The late development in the GTH reads is interesting. I'd like juliets to talk more about what prompted those two reads specifically.
I'm also curious about the development of her read on Colin. She went from suspecting him, to not suspecting and then back without really talking about him at all. Then she cleared him on the basis of another game. I'm not sure what exactly juliets thinks about Colin.

[Mongoose]

I hope Colin will come by during Night 1.

[Sloonei]

Luna:

Spoiler: show

So I've gathered that dunya is town. That's always a plus.

dunya is town.

I'm adding nova to my town list:
dunya
novaselinenever

nova is town

I AM TOWN

idk if I trust that, Mac

Doubts Mac.

Ew, per Sloonei's post, Colin really doesn't look good.

Colin looks bad.

Guys, this reads like textbook Classic Frustrated Civ Syndrome. If she is faking this, I will laud her appropriately in post-game.

So let me tell you guys one more time. I was here early this morning. Nothing that I thought was substantive had happened yet. I got off work at 4:00 and got to the thread sometime between 4:30 and 5:00 and saw several things I wanted to comment on/question and so I did. Just because someone suspects me doesn't mean I am going to shut down my play style. You can try to make it into something it isn't which is what you guys are doing but it is not what you're trying to make it. I was the same in Asunder as I have been in every other game I play - asking questions. That's the last I'll say about yesterday/today unless I'm asked a specific question.

yeah, let's not lynch juliets

Opposes a juliets lynch.

I got a lot more work rolled into my job today and I am going to be a wee bit occupied. (Also I’m not getting a raise if you were curious. )

But I will do my best to reassess the thread and get better reads before EOD. I see many of you now believe I’m just regular dumbass Colin so that’s a relief.

I would feel really bad mis-lynching Colin. Again.

Hesitant to vote Colin.

I'm adding nova to my town list:
dunya
novaselinenever

Updated town reads:
dunya
novaselinenever
Sloonei
juliets

Still a bit hesitant about voting Colin. He does look bad if you look at Sloonei's post analysis of him, but also I'm bad at reading Colin and literally just mis-lynched him in another game.

I'm between staying on Colin and switching to Mongoose. I want to trust dunya's hunch there.

duna, nova, sloonei, juliets are town.
Colin and Mongoose are suspects.

Also what happened to your Mac vote? (If I'm not mistaken lol)

I thought you were with me there

I backed off my mac vote, but he is still an option. I didn't have a good reason to vote him, but I also don't have a good reason not to.

Mac is not a town read.

I'm going to [VOTE: mongoose] aubergine
Leaving soon to buy a car with my dad today, and not sure if I'll be back on before EOD.

votes for mongoose

I was less inspired by these reads than I anticipated. I guess the POE is working, as most of luna's emphasis has been on town reads. But I'm unclear on why juliets became one of them, and she never really expressed clear reasons to suspect colin, mongoose, or mac. [mention]Lunalee[/mention] why those things?

[Sloonei]

MP roleplayed as Margaret McPoyle quite well, so I'm skipping ahead to Mac.

no but seriously, i really did feel mongoose's entry was a little more stiff than her previous two.

Do you blame me after the raucous first day I had in Gossip Girl? That was brutalizing.

You got a read on dunya or nova?

What about yours?

I assume that if I give any reads you’ll all just tell me that I look like some sort of bird, or that I have nothing to contribute, and that I should just give up trying.

This is a mafia

Sloonei is a mafia.

I WILL FOLLOW DUNYA TO HECK

dunya is implied town

I don’t really have any suspects right now, but I do not think it’s Sloonei or juliets. Luna is probably good, I can buy that emulating Jay thing.

The man is town. Again.

Colin is town.

Colin is Mafia. Sorry I called him town before because I shouldn't have. Lynch with enthusiasm please.

Colin is mafia.

I do not know what Steve Carell means. The man is an enigma.

Now counterpoint, Colin as Mafia would be playing differently than this.

This Colin is not mafia Colin.

I wouldn't dispute a Colin lynch right now. I can see him as a callous civilian or a bumbling Mafia. The question is which is more likely to be Colin? The bumbling Mafia caught day 1 or the civilian suffering from a case of "oh shit I do look bad"?

This Colin is a lynch candidate, however.

Also what's with the speedchuck votes? The guy hasn't even been able to play, and is pending replacement.

Teammate with your hubby again!?

speedchuck and luna might be bad together.

I am willing to call it. Juliets and Sprityo are the Mafia team.

sprityo (speedchuck) and juliets are mafia.

Dumbass thinks I'm Mafia. News at 11.

Lynch spiritchuck or MP imo.

Implication that nova is town.
MP or sprityo should be lynched.

ColinIsCool - sus
dunya - good
juliets - good
Lunalee - good
M Plus 7 - undeserved of any opinion
Mongoose - sus
novaselinenever - dumb but good
Sloonei - good

Colin and Mongoose are his suspects after the lynch. MP/llama is null.

Oi Mac why are colin and mongoose your suspects now?

[thellama73]

Hello, I guess I am subbing in here. ANyone want to catch me up? I guess I have some reading to do.