Vanilla.
Not French Vanilla or Vanilla Bean.
Vanilla.
I'm generic Vanilla.
What's leftover after the strawberry and chocolate are gone.
Vanilla.
You could be dumb bunny, but your character is more likely to be good. But it could also be a fake claim.
Has anyone played another game by Jack to know if they would get legit good fake claims or not?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 12:27 pm
6) Anti town players get fake claims if applicable.
5) Don't call a bunny cute unless you are also a bunny. This is seen as racist.
The speedy thing is more a hindsight thing. Until Mac died, I thought I had a doctor role. But both leetic and Mac died on the nights that I targeted them, which doesn't make sense with speedy not dying night 1. Soneji was already lynched at this point. So nutella's death is the main question mark in my mind, as I know I didn't target nutella.
What troubles me most here is that LC is aware of the idea that the host is unreliable. I guess what troubles me more is that he directly addresses Kyle(mii), who would later expound upon how "math" proves there can only be one mafia left.
The reaction to the Day 1 lynch is fair.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:54 am Wow, nice job folks. Sorry I wasn't around, the Fair ended around 6 last night, and I was too exhausted after four days of morning-to-night work to think about Mafia. I actually got caught up about three minutes after the poll ended and stared blankly at the screen for another minute before fully getting it that I was too late.
This is an important post.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:00 amI don't think a massclaim is the best idea at this point.indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:23 amI was actually just contemplating the pros and cons of doing a mass claim, and reading about it. I'm interested in hearing others' thoughts on this idea. When I was coming up in mafia (eons ago, LOL) info-dumping and role outing was a mod-kill offense. So this realm of role claiming and info-dumping is foreign soil to me. I know there are definitely pros and cons, and am interested in discussing whether we think it would be helpful, and at what point in the game it might be most helpful.
There was a conversation about this. LC commented on how the mafia faction(s)(?) have fake claims. It was weird, but I remember discussing it.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:44 amThe anti-town faction(s) have fakeclaims, so don't get too crazy with this kind of talk.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:17 amAlso Flash Hundred Yard Dash is a 'good guy' (probably), and nutella had the post restriction to prove it.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:11 amBut blood is thicker than water, and there's some blood floating around here now.
Agree that Nut was somewhat of a surprising kill given the post restriction. But she was very unlikely to get lynched because of tipping the scales on Soneji.
There is a degree of suspicion against Owner.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:56 pmIt was your very recent game together that Owner publicly got town cred for "casting a wide net". You have no concerns that she might be emulating this praised behaviour?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:52 pmMore narrow. Not actually trying to think about all kinds of angles.
I probably don't read Owner perfectly, but I'm not bad at it. Likely town imo.
This is Day 2. I am never tip-top-teal-shit in LC's list Day 2.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:43 pm Ok, you want my reads, here's a rainbow:
Epignosis - I don't suspect Epi
Dyslexicon - Day 1 vote, townish presence
indiglo - Day 1 vote, looks good in-thread
Neverwhere - Don't know
Owner of a Lonely Heart - lots of bob-focus, slight nods to other possible cases but no follow up
MacDougall - not sure yet
colonialbob - I liked his defense against Owner's accusations
birdwithteeth11 - Not much here, voted off-wagon
Sloonei - not looking to lynch right now
Rej - some bad vibes, Miller claim is sketchy because it didn't go anywhere
Kylemii - possible scummate
speedchuck possible scummate
I'll [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine now.
I don't recall the context, but LC asked me to clarify something, which, in light of the above, signifies that he genuinely trusted me.
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:34 pmDrinking is Epi's usual MO. It's NAI, he feels normal to me.Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:38 am In the Scrimmage game with Epi, he was following his town circle. He had opinions.
Here, he's drinking. (not quite coffee)
He leaves an impression in my mind that there is something to be desired.
tl;dr
He feels different.
[VOTE: Epig] aubergine
LC pressed Owner further, who self-defended with a "you wouldn't have known that."Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:00 amtalking to self is nai, but you wouldn't have known thatLong Con wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:51 amI also don't like the show you're putting on with the talking-to-self. It's an attempt to seem... thoughtful, maybe?Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:00 amJust for the Rej stuff mentioned awhile ago or something else?
This is consistent with a cop who believes in himself.
This is too.
Additional evidence that LC believes who he says he is.
This could be a mafia member trying to gain backwards credibility, but LC didn't play it that way: Recall that he called me good Day 2. He then tried to avert a speedchuck lynch.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:55 amThat's how we do! It's probably obvious at this point who I checked, but Epi N1, speedchuck N2, bob N3. All town results.indiglo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:32 amLC, this is when I was 100% sure you were a cop too. I had suspected it already.
Just for the record, THIS is how we used to info-dump on LP back when info-dumping was illegal.
LC commented on his own claimed role's win condition here.
This man is on a mission.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:56 pmI think I missed answering this yesterday. At this time, I would lynch Owner first, then Kyle, Jinrou, Logic from that list. I still don't want to lynch Epi, bob, or Dys.
I have to remind myself why I voted for Owner before, but I'll [VOTE: Owner] aubergine at this time. I am home and well-rested this evening (unlike the last few), so I'll be around until lynch time.
LC didn't turn this around on me. He believes in what he's selling.
I invited LC to question his results, and he chose not to waver. Mafia would appreciate the out.
LC on a mission.
I anticipated this question, and I'm glad LC asked it, because it shows he's open to me being bad after all, even though he has a clear path to win as mafia.
I will admit that I took this to be a point against Kylemii, but I had to keep being reminded that Kylemii was on the chopping block too.Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:02 pmwhat's yikes about it?Soneji wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:34 pm Hosting back to back Pathfinder sessions to make up for failing my players other weeks taking up all my time and energy. Don't really have a feel for this game yet.
Vote : KyleMii
Their bad attempts at playing around with the movies name lasting past day 0 is yikes.
My concern was that this was Soneji(R) distancing. Had I paid more attention to the Kylemii posts (sorry Kylemii I don't pay much attention to you), I might've dismissed that idea sooner. I don't know. Moving on.
I just like this response. So I'm copying it here. Nothing game-related. Just love it.Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:29 pm epi, there's something wrong the thing that you just said. at the point where I came into the thread I was tied for the lead with less than 20 minutes left to vote. I could have probably died just as easily as Spacedaisy or soneji. I know that doesn't really counter your point cus your implication is distancing, and death is a crucial part of a balanced distancing, I just thought it seemed like an important piece of data
also the idea of my name being tattooed on the devil's ass is... an amazing concept. like... how cool do you have to be to earn that?
Striking back against Owner.Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:27 pmI don't like being misrepresented regardless of alignment. that's how mislynches happenOwner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:47 amscum do like to keep the record straight though.Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:29 pm epi, there's something wrong the thing that you just said. at the point where I came into the thread I was tied for the lead with less than 20 minutes left to vote. I could have probably died just as easily as Spacedaisy or soneji. I know that doesn't really counter your point cus your implication is distancing, and death is a crucial part of a balanced distancing, I just thought it seemed like an important piece of data
also the idea of my name being tattooed on the devil's ass is... an amazing concept. like... how cool do you have to be to earn that?
[VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine
this seems like a weak justification for a vote, without doing much personal investigation into the thing you're taking a stance on and I dislike that.
KylefiireKylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:25 pmI'm a little confused why you moved your vote off of me for not doing anything, was the goal of your vote on me to get a reaction about it, rather than an actual declaration of suspicion?Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:41 pm[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine Kyle isn't doing anything. And I am feeling a little bit better on bob. Sloonei's vote for bob wasn't anything special.
Calling me and Mac good that early is ballsy.Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:41 pmI don't suspect Mac or Epi. Mac's behavior is pretty typical for him. And I think epignosis seems like he's questioning me from a position of good faith.
I was irked by owner earlier but having read their recent posts they seem to be casting a wide net and putting work into getting feels on people and I like that but I want to see more and also hear answers to my questions(s?) still to know whether that's genuine or a performance.
I want to look at and question speedchuck still but it will have to wait til later
This clarification is important. Kylemii wants to be understood.Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:40 pmI know, that's not the part that irked me. The wide net observation only happened after the irkednessDyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:46 pmOwner "casting a wide net" was the exact phrasing that was used to describe why she was read town in the last game we played together. In other words, Owner is most likely town. [Insert tinfoil about Owner/Kyle team]
Is Kylemii lying about his claim? As I noted earlier, it seems too elaborate.Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:01 pmI can't. I'm 99% sure a bastard cop. Instead of results I've been getting responses like "you totally meant to do that but instead you got distracted with a phone app" or "you were definitely gonna do that but you got distracted by donuts" last night I didn't get a message like that but was just told "no results" implying something else happened.colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:56 pmI know that feeling.
Can you point to anywhere you did something cop-like?
(Hopefully you understand why I'm not taking further cop claims at face value)
I want to highlight that Kylemii doesn't just defend himself- he turns his defense into a suspicion of Dyslexicon.Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:36 amI want to point out before I go to bed that I don't like how far dizzy goes out of the way to ignore the fact that my role is clearly a thematic joke role in a bastard game. Having one role that's "haha Jonah Hill cat cop wants junk food instead of detective work, it's a fun prank" is cute and funny, but having multiple roles exactly like mine that say they do one thing but actually don't do anything would be less creative or interesting, especially if they were both cops for some reasonDyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:42 pm If any of the cop claims are untrue, I think it would be Kyle's. That whole getting random messages could definitely be made up. Why would Kyle be the only one getting custom messages. I just got town every time, and it seems that was the experience that Bob, Logic and indiglo had too. I can easily see Kyle make up this shit to make it sound believable and specific. I think. Maybe. Right?
[VOTE: Kyle] aubergine
He's got a good niche there... so damn likeable, funny, and fun.
I gotta head to work. With this in mind, and I pray and hope that jack didn't give Long Con "Judy Hopps as a fake claim".
If owner is mafia what do they gain from making all this stuff up, instead of making up something more simple and believable?Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:11 pmN1 - Speedy
N2 - Leetic (I almost targeted Epi that night, but I thought he was likely mafia with Soneji, so I changed my mind.) 'Cause I was a doctor.
N3 - MacDougall (this was when I started to wonder if I was more of vig than an actual doctor when I woke up to Mac dying, but it still didn't explain N1)
N4 - Dizzy (He was playing in a different game with someone he hadn't played with in awhile. He was pretty townie in my mind. Plus, he was was very active, so I did think mafia would target him if not indiglo. But yeah, I'm still very confused.
N5 - bob (Bob mentioned me in the thread to switch my vote to jinrou instead of kyle. I thought maybe mafia determine who's night action performs the kill each night. So maybe someone has been targeting me consecutively? Idk. So I targeted bob. Because if bob and kyle were mafia together, I would have eliminate a world of 2 going into today.)
But the main reason why I'm leaning on voting for Long Con is that the day that Rej/leetic died. LC brings up a post where I interacted with Rej/leetic.
Seeing that kind of freaked me out.
So part of me was wondering if LC had a legit tracker or watcher role and saw that I targeted leetic. Or if LC was the supposed mafia who made me actually kill someone one. That's also why I mentioned I think during one of the night phases that I thought LC was okay, because I was under the assumption that LC saw me target leetic, but in my mind, at this stage I thought it was a coincidence that leetic died and that I somehow couldn't save or that my protection didn't work.
LC had I think joking made some comment day 1 about having a nullifier or vanillariser role of sorts. So I generally thought that they were the "godfather" character that was in Zootopia.
But I'm not sure that I really put this godfather character with Soneji's character. So, I thought LC was town, but then they claimed cop, which isn't what I expect from them, unless they happen to Judy Hopps.
Is it too in the nose if the mayor lion and his sheep assistant are the mafia together?