[END] The Syndicate's 2013 Game of Champions

[bea]

In terms of suspects/cases, I think evidence has been presented that could reasonably point to JC being either a Manipulator or a Video Game mafia person.

I've been in the "no clear read" one way or the other on JC tbh. I keep hoping she's civ, but I know how very well she can trick me.

Can you - for a lazy person, (I'm guessing I'm not the only one) bullet point this reasoning?

I personally found, that when JC -- did that exact thing for me - it was very helpful to the civ cause.

[DharmaHelper]

In terms of suspects/cases, I think evidence has been presented that could reasonably point to JC being either a Manipulator or a Video Game mafia person.

And I have answered all of your allegations - I am not a manipulator or a VG mafia.

Sure you've answered them, but I don't think you've answered them satisfactorily.

Does anyone else have any other suspects?

@Bea Sure I can pull together some stuff. If you want specifics I pretty solidly put forth voting evidence that suggested JC might be with Kate's team and Nev put out a good bit of evidence that might point to JC using shifty language to get a vote boost from Rumpelstiltskin. But off the top of my head these things come to mind

1. Voted for Kate in the rezz poll
2. Nev's analysis of the Rumpelstiltskin power includes JC
3. When Epignosis (Whom I suspect was PP) was a contender for the lynch, JC voted the other candidates, helping Epig avoid being lynched.

Here are some links to take a look at my thoughts on JC

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 948#p55948
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 804#p54804
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 791#p54791
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 789#p54789
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 753#p54753

And nev's rumpelstiltskin possibility
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 749#p54743

Hope that helps.

[Tangrowth]

Oh Great and Powerful Sockface, I have a few questions:

1) Will the Red Room disban once we leave Twin Peaks land?
2) I know we can cross post, may we also cross vote?
3) Each land has lasted once cycle, will the same remain true for Twin Peaks land?

4) Not a question, but in case you missed it, some general sucking up.

Well done sir. Really - a game within a game. Can't even imagine the amount of work and thought that went into doing all this. The character role lists are spot on btw. I loved reading the "bea" role and several others.

I think, depending on how you answer, that's most of my questions for now.

1) Good question.
2) You cannot cross post or cross vote. You will be punished if you do so, excluding one warning.
3) Good question.
4) And thank you.

[DharmaHelper]

On the bright side if I do get invited to the Red Room it will be a joy to see my ture loves Llama and INH and Epignosis fight over who get me all to themselves.

[DharmaHelper]

@BDH

[bea]

@BDH

no joke.
sweetie. I missed the opposites rule once. DON'T POKE THE BEAR!!!

[DharmaHelper]

Anybody else have any thoughts or suspects? SD/Eloh in particular pop to my mind when I think of blendy players that may be baddies hiding from the crossfire.

[bea]

Oh Great and Powerful Sockface, I have a few questions:

1) Will the Red Room disban once we leave Twin Peaks land?
2) I know we can cross post, may we also cross vote?
3) Each land has lasted once cycle, will the same remain true for Twin Peaks land?

4) Not a question, but in case you missed it, some general sucking up.

Well done sir. Really - a game within a game. Can't even imagine the amount of work and thought that went into doing all this. The character role lists are spot on btw. I loved reading the "bea" role and several others.

I think, depending on how you answer, that's most of my questions for now.

1) Good question.
2) You cannot cross post or cross vote. You will be punished if you do so, excluding one warning.
3) Good question.
4) And thank you.

So exactly how I expected it to go. I'm at least glad I have two good questions there. And I'm glad I got the warning here so that I understand the rules of the Red Room Better. I COMPLETELY WISH BDH WOULDN'T DANCE WITH THE DEVIL BTW. but you know, try making a stubborn person listen to you. *rolleyes*

I'm also at least really happy that I got my voice out while I was still under the one warning rule in the Red Room. I hope it helps us.

Imma off to look at the DH links now. Thank you for giving them to me - lazy player I usually am. JC is trickstery for me.

oh holy sockalious, your most welcome. Really. Really. Well done sir! Really REALLY well done sir!"

[DharmaHelper]

Spacedaisy – Significant other of MP, she knows him better than anyone else. THE BEST PERSON EVER NOTHING AT ALL NEGATIVE ABOUT THIS PERSON NO JOKE HERE. ( L = 1 / N = 1) (Secrets)

Fixed that for you MP. Thank me later.

[bea]

Anybody else have any thoughts or suspects? SD/Eloh in particular pop to my mind when I think of blendy players that may be baddies hiding from the crossfire.

sd voted me for weak reasons after the sheild poll, and elo missed the whole "husband/wife" thing that went down during the other lynch I had.

I've not seen anything from either of them that make me have particularly warm comfy feelings about.

I'm not saying I think they are bad, I'm saying I have like ZERO read on either of them, and my lack of read on them makes me nervous this late in the game.

linki - I agree with your fix tbh DH. SD the person is so amazingly awesome I just CAN'T EVEN.

[bea]

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 848#p49848 - This post here pings me a bit. Goose comes to JC's rescue and JC uses that to help explain her inquiry into FH's analysis. Goose btw, is an awesome person and player and every time I've interacted with her it has been a pleasant experience. She has a lovely manner about her and I admire her skill as a player.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 124#p51124 - This post here actually makes me think JC might not be on AP's team. Prior to him being Modkilled she expresses a desire to vote for him. This of course could be a ploy, and it could be JC being irritated at her teammate and trying to nudge him back in line, but IDK. Something to consider, guys.

And then this confuses me:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 418#p51418 - here JC advocates steering away from focusing on Media. Up to this point, (maybe I'm wrong) but the majority of her focus was on Media/Zodac related discussion and not on actual baddie finding.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 470#p51470 - Here she agrees with Nevin's Notion to lynch INH again. Complete 180.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 486#p51486 - her vote for INH
Now the only reason I can think of JC saying she'd like to steer off Indie/Media talk and then flipping 180 would be to make it look like she was actual-mafia hunting then sneak up in there with the easy target vote. Dunno. Again, something to consider guys.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 789#p51789 - See's beas game as civvie
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 806#p51806 - votes to give bea the shield
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 934#p52934 JC's response to Kate's death. Seems to think she was a civ. Hmmm.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 944#p52944 JC investigates Kates killing. Vested interest?
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 049#p53049 - brings up the bwt susp. but says its not enough to vote on (note bwt also voted to rezz Kate.) Bwt by the way is a pretty neat dude. Very cool to talk to and so on. He's got a great style of play that I always enjoy. My experience of playing with him tells me he's a dangerous baddie and an invaluable civvie.

Thats all I've got for now, as it is mondo late and I am mondo tired. From this analysis however I am not really comfortable with JC's civvieness. She has certainly moved up in my suspicion list, and I am interested in others thoughts about here. The most interesting thing I can see is that she seems to be very focused/understanding of some of the indie roles and then very distracted/confused regarding the mafia roles.

If JC is bad, and she has a teemate, I really truely hope it's not goosey.

[bea]

In terms of suspects/cases, I think evidence has been presented that could reasonably point to JC being either a Manipulator or a Video Game mafia person.

And I have answered all of your allegations - I am not a manipulator or a VG mafia.

Sure you've answered them, but I don't think you've answered them satisfactorily.

Does anyone else have any other suspects?

@Bea Sure I can pull together some stuff. If you want specifics I pretty solidly put forth voting evidence that suggested JC might be with Kate's team and Nev put out a good bit of evidence that might point to JC using shifty language to get a vote boost from Rumpelstiltskin. But off the top of my head these things come to mind

1. Voted for Kate in the rezz poll
2. Nev's analysis of the Rumpelstiltskin power includes JC
3. When Epignosis (Whom I suspect was PP) was a contender for the lynch, JC voted the other candidates, helping Epig avoid being lynched.

Here are some links to take a look at my thoughts on JC

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 948#p55948
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 804#p54804
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 791#p54791
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 789#p54789
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 753#p54753

And nev's rumpelstiltskin possibility
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 749#p54743

Hope that helps.

I'd really like to know what svs thinks about it.

[Tangrowth]

[center]Day 10: The Exit of Big Damn Wuss[/center][/b]
"You!" the voice pointed at BigDamnHero.

BigDamnHero stood, defiant. "Yes, YOU!" exclaimed the voice. "Champions don't defy the host!!! Are you willing to accept the price???"

BigDamnHero was. "You bet! Fuck you!!"

The host sighed. "I hate to do this, but...."

A giant sock appeared out of nowhere, completely covering BigDamnHero. After a few minutes, he couldn't stand it any longer, and stopped breathing, suffocated to death by the enclosed space and terrible smell.



BigDamnHero has been modkilled. He was Thomas.

It is still Day 10.

[DharmaHelper]

BigDamnBalls.

[bea]

really sweetie? really?

I guess if this is your last game you went out how you wanted to go out. Being an *in your face* player the whole way.

Still, I'm VERY sad to loose you and your role.

[bea]

BigDamnBalls.

don't encourage him.

[bea]

In terms of suspects/cases, I think evidence has been presented that could reasonably point to JC being either a Manipulator or a Video Game mafia person.

And I have answered all of your allegations - I am not a manipulator or a VG mafia.

Sure you've answered them, but I don't think you've answered them satisfactorily.

Does anyone else have any other suspects?

@Bea Sure I can pull together some stuff. If you want specifics I pretty solidly put forth voting evidence that suggested JC might be with Kate's team and Nev put out a good bit of evidence that might point to JC using shifty language to get a vote boost from Rumpelstiltskin. But off the top of my head these things come to mind

1. Voted for Kate in the rezz poll
2. Nev's analysis of the Rumpelstiltskin power includes JC
3. When Epignosis (Whom I suspect was PP) was a contender for the lynch, JC voted the other candidates, helping Epig avoid being lynched.

Here are some links to take a look at my thoughts on JC

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 948#p55948
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 804#p54804
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 791#p54791
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 789#p54789
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 753#p54753

And nev's rumpelstiltskin possibility
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 749#p54743

Hope that helps.

I'd really like to know what svs thinks about it.

also - I did read all the links - I have thoughts - but I'd like svs to weigh in first.

[bea]

[center]Day 10: The Exit of Big Damn Wuss[/center][/b]
"You!" the voice pointed at BigDamnHero.

BigDamnHero stood, defiant. "Yes, YOU!" exclaimed the voice. "Champions don't defy the host!!! Are you willing to accept the price???"

BigDamnHero was. "You bet! Fuck you!!"

The host sighed. "I hate to do this, but...."

A giant sock appeared out of nowhere, completely covering BigDamnHero. After a few minutes, he couldn't stand it any longer, and stopped breathing, suffocated to death by the enclosed space and terrible smell.



BigDamnHero has been modkilled. He was Thomas.

It is still Day 10.

oh sweet sockface - does that mean that BDH is now in the Red Room?

[Tangrowth]

oh sweet sockface - does that mean that BDH is now in the Red Room?

Modkilled players do not get to participate in The Red Room; they are gone from the game completely.

[bea]

oh sweet sockface - does that mean that BDH is now in the Red Room?

Modkilled players do not get to participate in The Red Room; they are gone from the game completely.

good job sweetie. good job.

[bea]

the only good that can come from this is there were a couple of times bdh was actually voting - who did he vote for?

[Mongoose]

oh sweet sockface - does that mean that BDH is now in the Red Room?

Modkilled players do not get to participate in The Red Room; they are gone from the game completely.

good job sweetie. good job.

targeting hoss, really?

[DharmaHelper]

Elo (Shield Poll)
DP (Night Lynch)
BWT D4
Gleam D5
Gleam N5
BDH D6
BWT D7
Nev D8

[bea]

oh sweet sockface - does that mean that BDH is now in the Red Room?

Modkilled players do not get to participate in The Red Room; they are gone from the game completely.

good job sweetie. good job.

targeting hoss, really?

I really hope I'm misunderstanding your insanify right now. Because how can you not see why I would be pissed that he threw away a great role for the civ cause?

[bea]

Elo (Shield Poll)
DP (Night Lynch)
BWT D4
Gleam D5
Gleam N5
BDH D6
BWT D7
Nev D8

that's bdh's vote record? is that what you are saying?

[DharmaHelper]

Oops should have labeled that. Yeah that's BDH's vote record though I'm tired so I may have made a mistake or two.

[bea]

oh sweet sockface - does that mean that BDH is now in the Red Room?

Modkilled players do not get to participate in The Red Room; they are gone from the game completely.

so - if modkilled players do not get to participate in the Red Room and are gone from the game "COMPLETELY" - how is it that the exaggerator has still been around?

[bea]

Oops should have labeled that. Yeah that's BDH's vote record though I'm tired so I may have made a mistake or two.

fair enough - I've not looked back tbh.

[Mongoose]

oh sweet sockface - does that mean that BDH is now in the Red Room?

Modkilled players do not get to participate in The Red Room; they are gone from the game completely.

good job sweetie. good job.

targeting hoss, really?

I really hope I'm misunderstanding your insanify right now. Because how can you not see why I would be pissed that he threw away a great role for the civ cause?

I Cheshire Cat do, bleag

[Mongoose]

oh sweet sockface - does that mean that BDH is now in the Red Room?

Modkilled players do not get to participate in The Red Room; they are gone from the game completely.

good job sweetie. good job.

targeting hoss, really?

I really hope I'm misunderstanding your insanify right now. Because how can you not see why I would be pissed that he threw away a great role for the civ cause?

bigsimpsin do see. deafened feel unavoidable resurrect. I do see.

[Mongoose]

My OP scaffolding directed elsewhere. @ BDH, not @ Bea, decompound.

[DharmaHelper]

Pff fucks sake I just checked to make sure about Thomas and he's the +3 vote guy. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[bea]

Pff fucks sake I just checked to make sure about Thomas and he's the +3 vote guy. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

oh ho ho - see why I was so worried about his vote record?

Also- why did you have to check that? that's a pretty important civ role that I'd think would be remediable....just sayin'....

[bea]

My OP scaffolding directed elsewhere. @ BDH, not @ Bea, decompound.

I think I get it - I'm willing to wait till you are not insanified - please remember this is a thing that needs addressed Not good - not bad - I just want it clarified.

[DharmaHelper]

Pff fucks sake I just checked to make sure about Thomas and he's the +3 vote guy. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

oh ho ho - see why I was so worried about his vote record?

Also- why did you have to check that? that's a pretty important civ role that I'd think would be remediable....just sayin'....

I was browsing through things to try and get a grip on my thought process. It just slipped my mind prior

[bea]

and now knowing that he was Thomas with the +3 vote, how does that, if at all, change how you think of his votes? Because it felt a little like you were trying to set him up for something. Misguided civ or whatevs. But he was Thomas. And while he had his plus vote he also had a bts partner that wasn't me.

[DharmaHelper]

and now knowing that he was Thomas with the +3 vote, how does that, if at all, change how you think of his votes? Because it felt a little like you were trying to set him up for something. Misguided civ or whatevs. But he was Thomas. And while he had his plus vote he also had a bts partner that wasn't me.

Set him up? Nah, you asked for his vote order so I provided. It does make me feel better about Eloh tho.

[Mongoose]

My OP scaffolding directed elsewhere. @ BDH, not @ Bea, decompound.

I think I get it - I'm willing to wait till you are not insanified - please remember this is a thing that needs addressed Not good - not bad - I just want it clarified.

you got it!

[bea]

and now knowing that he was Thomas with the +3 vote, how does that, if at all, change how you think of his votes? Because it felt a little like you were trying to set him up for something. Misguided civ or whatevs. But he was Thomas. And while he had his plus vote he also had a bts partner that wasn't me.

Set him up? Nah, you asked for his vote order so I provided. It does make me feel better about Eloh tho.

I did ask for it - and thank you for providing it as near as I can tell. I'm pretty positive you missed all the times he didn't vote, and I'm pretty sure those were important as well. For *many* reasons.



why does it make you feel better about elo?

[DharmaHelper]

and now knowing that he was Thomas with the +3 vote, how does that, if at all, change how you think of his votes? Because it felt a little like you were trying to set him up for something. Misguided civ or whatevs. But he was Thomas. And while he had his plus vote he also had a bts partner that wasn't me.

Set him up? Nah, you asked for his vote order so I provided. It does make me feel better about Eloh tho.

I did ask for it - and thank you for providing it as near as I can tell. I'm pretty positive you missed all the times he didn't vote, and I'm pretty sure those were important as well. For *many* reasons.



why does it make you feel better about elo?

Shield poll.

[DharmaHelper]

D1 - Did not Vote
D2 - Did not Vote
N2 - Eloh (Shield Poll)
D3 - Host Option*
N3 - DP
D4 - BWT
N4 - Lizzy
D5 - Gleam
N5 - Gleam
D6 - BDH
D7 - BWT
D8 - Nev

Will have to go back and see if MP allowed him to change his cheeky host-option vote.

[bea]

OK - so what you are saying is that since BDH - who at the time, didn't want the secret of him being Diggz let out - voted elo in the poll might make elo his partner?

And - I''m fairly positive that MP didn't allow him to change his cheeky vote - but by all means - ask the host about it.

[DharmaHelper]

OK - so what you are saying is that since BDH - who at the time, didn't want the secret of him being Diggz let out - voted elo in the poll might make elo his partner?

And - I''m fairly positive that MP didn't allow him to change his cheeky vote - but by all means - ask the host about it.

I'm saying it's a possibility he voted for his partner to get the shield yes. Am I missing something obvious? :P It's not 100%, but it does make me feel a bit better about Elo.

Also, reading back he was allowed to change his vote and voted Vomps on D3.

[bea]

Yes. You are missing the obvious point that as a civ with bts, he wouldn't want people to cotton on to his partner. Just like Baddies shouldn't vote for their partners in those easy day 1 polls, nor should civs with bts. Because that would be outing their partner.

And while I'm thinking of it, if you thought elo was BDH's partner - and his CIV bts - why would you bring it up and pull it up into the open??

I don't know if he was allowed to change his vote - it still doesn't distract from the fact that if you *truely* think that elo is BDH's civ partner - why, as a civ, you would out her so?

[DFaraday]

What the heck, BDH?????

[DharmaHelper]

Yes. You are missing the obvious point that as a civ with bts, he wouldn't want people to cotton on to his partner. Just like Baddies shouldn't vote for their partners in those easy day 1 polls, nor should civs with bts. Because that would be outing their partner.

And while I'm thinking of it, if you thought elo was BDH's partner - and his CIV bts - why would you bring it up and pull it up into the open??

I don't know if he was allowed to change his vote - it still doesn't distract from the fact that if you *truely* think that elo is BDH's civ partner - why, as a civ, you would out her so?

Because I'd just previously brought eloh up as a possible suspect. I then changed my mind, and you asked me why so I said why.

[DharmaHelper]

EBWOP and your logic assumes BDH cared about the results of his actions, which history will beg to differ with you ;P

[bea]

EBWOP and your logic assumes BDH cared about the results of his actions, which history will beg to differ with you ;P

that's a completely fair point. But also I'm going on record as saying, as wonky as his play style was, he was a civ with bts. He would NOT give up his partner easily.

I rather think that his partner is completely hidden at this point. He might play fast and loose with his role, but he'd never dis a civ partner that way.

[DharmaHelper]

EBWOP and your logic assumes BDH cared about the results of his actions, which history will beg to differ with you ;P

that's a completely fair point. But also I'm going on record as saying, as wonky as his play style was, he was a civ with bts. He would NOT give up his partner easily.

I rather think that his partner is completely hidden at this point. He might play fast and loose with his role, but he'd never dis a civ partner that way.

If I take your word on that, which I'm inclined somewhat to do, that knocks Eloh back into a ? category for me.

I'm considering employing the tried and true list method I did in Justice League vs. Avengers mafia. It is late enough into the game and I think I have enough information to do it.. could be interesting.

[bea]

I look forward to the list tbh.