Inception [END]

[Ty4on]

Someone wanna tag me with cliff notes about who was scummy yesterday here, cause uh....I’m not reading back

Lol like nobody tho. Maybe elephant or vanity but never both

There’s gotta be something scum in here though right.

Otherwise this is a fuckton of town.

If this continues I guess it’s possible the other thread never sends us any scum and we have to maybe no-lynch.

Would be quite strange tho if this group was pure to begin with

Maybe the other thread did send us scum; everyone is town if you ask them.
Nanook, was that a proper lynch, or a mislynch? What was nova scumread for?

>:(

No offense intended, I am sorry.

None taken

[Ty4on]

FWIW I wanted to ask people in the other thread why they scumread nova. What I could gather was it came mostly from the timing of the 112 vote with most people leaning town on 112. There were also some saying nova felt similarly coasting to how they were playing in the last game.

nova was posting tho and making some pretty decent posts imo. I think iaafr shaded them for increasing activity near EoD.

[juliets]

FWIW I wanted to ask people in the other thread why they scumread nova. What I could gather was it came mostly from the timing of the 112 vote with most people leaning town on 112. There were also some saying nova felt similarly coasting to how they were playing in the last game.

nova was posting tho and making some pretty decent posts imo. I think iaafr shaded them for increasing activity near EoD.

Increasing activity near the day 1 or day 2 EOD? I'm going to look back at him in EOD on day 1.

[nutella]

Most all of us were read as scum by some at some point in the day (nutella I think we all saw as town all the way through).

And Benson. He and I were both pretty clear of suspicion.

You, LC, and TL I have varying levels of concern about but after yesterday I think it's likely one of elephant or vanity is scum, maybe with TL also based on how that went down.

[juliets]

[mention]Ty4on[/mention] maybe you answered this and I didn't see it but was everyone who wasn't here over on the other side? We had 27 people to start day 2, 11 were here, which would mean if there was only one other location (novas and nanook's) there would have been 16 people there.

[nutella]

So wait let me get this straight. You guys votes privately, and then at EOD you saw boo's flip from our lynch, just like we did? And you didn't get to see who from your side got lynched, but you assume it was nova, so do you think they got to see Nova's flip at end of night when you were appearing here?

[nutella]

Sorry so many questions lol but yeah also very curious about juliets' question or if there are more than two levels

[nutella]

[mention]Creature[/mention] why aren't you scum

[mention]Elephant[/mention] why aren't you scum

I'ma start with a vote for one of you two probs

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Someone wanna tag me with cliff notes about who was scummy yesterday here, cause uh....I’m not reading back

Lol like nobody tho. Maybe elephant or vanity but never both

There’s gotta be something scum in here though right.

Otherwise this is a fuckton of town.

If this continues I guess it’s possible the other thread never sends us any scum and we have to maybe no-lynch.

Would be quite strange tho if this group was pure to begin with

Maybe the other thread did send us scum; everyone is town if you ask them.
Nanook, was that a proper lynch, or a mislynch? What was nova scumread for?

Boo was a mis-kill. Nova never flipped.

I don’t remember what Nova was SR for tbh, I think it was mostly activity and tone, maybe vote but I don’t remember.

[nutella]

Well I know some people didn't like nova at the end of d1 for hard defending Drago but I don't know that he would do that so overtly or not

[juliets]

Creature seems to have left. I hope he participates more today with some reads/opinions. I've given him a bye because this just doesn't look like the scum Creature I saw in Arrowverse but I need more now.

Another person I need to see more of - and he said we will - is Trustworthy Liberal. I won't soon forget Benson's irritation that we let him get through yesterday mostly lurking. But I also won't forget hyena said he has reason to believe TL is town - though I realize he could just be saying that because they're bad together but I don't think thats it.

I'm also not at all sure about LC - that probably won't surprise him.

[Ty4on]

FWIW I wanted to ask people in the other thread why they scumread nova. What I could gather was it came mostly from the timing of the 112 vote with most people leaning town on 112. There were also some saying nova felt similarly coasting to how they were playing in the last game.

nova was posting tho and making some pretty decent posts imo. I think iaafr shaded them for increasing activity near EoD.

Increasing activity near the day 1 or day 2 EOD? I'm going to look back at him in EOD on day 1.

Day 2, I couldn't read anything from D1 as I was casually catching up at night as everyone in that thread lost access to this one.

Ty4on maybe you answered this and I didn't see it but was everyone who wasn't here over on the other side? We had 27 people to start day 2, 11 were here, which would mean if there was only one other location (novas and nanook's) there would have been 16 people there.

I don't have any page with the full playerlist, but I think so. Using memory and looking over I think this is the full playerlist:

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iaafr
Evenstar
Macdougall
Epignosis
Master Radishes
Pawn Lelouch
Jackofhearts2005
spirityo
Dom
Michelle
novaselinenever
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
112
Quin
Rej / ColinIsCool
Lady LambdaDelta

So wait let me get this straight. You guys votes privately, and then at EOD you saw boo's flip from our lynch, just like we did? And you didn't get to see who from your side got lynched, but you assume it was nova, so do you think they got to see Nova's flip at end of night when you were appearing here?

Yeah, the way the Boo flip was worded was a bit weird as if it was a mistake, but it came just after EoD as if it was intended I guess.

Before the Boo flip it was publicly stated that the result of the lynch wouldn't be publicized until the night ended.

[juliets]

Pizza here, back later.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

So wait let me get this straight. You guys votes privately, and then at EOD you saw boo's flip from our lynch, just like we did? And you didn't get to see who from your side got lynched, but you assume it was nova, so do you think they got to see Nova's flip at end of night when you were appearing here?

I think it was mod error, or was worded as if it was.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Ugh rip guys and I'm not thrilled to just keep playing with the same sub group. Was hoping it would be switched up more.

It's not the same group, we lost Benson and gained Nanook, who I guess is conftown.

Wait why

Because Ty says Nanook was NK'd. Though maybe that could have been a SK, but that would mean someone got blocked on the mafia team - I think.

Without full understanding of the mechanics I think mec locking me is suboptimal tbh.

That being said I should be widely townread for my D1 push on drago and my interactions with Nutella that led to that push starting.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It seems best tonwait for Nanook to weigh in, but if the other group lynched Nova, that seems to have been a good idea which we should consider emulating? Unless we assume that the other group was as adept with our wagons as we were -- not a surprising occurrence given my prediction, by the way. LHF lynches tend to get directed by scum. Given that both wagons were town, we might need to look towards who set these up.

It’s a guess that nova was TKed, tbh. I think it’s reasonable, but it’s also possible I was—the way that voting was totally secret, it might have been possible for scum to have stacked on one player they wanted dead. It makes more sense for nova to be TKed though, given in thread suspicions voiced. Either way it prooooobably just means I’m town, but without a better idea of exactly how mechanics work it probably shouldn’t be locked in.


If I’m gonna do mec spec though, seems likely that this level determines death, and votes at a lower level just send people up? Would fit with flavor at least.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Ugh rip guys and I'm not thrilled to just keep playing with the same sub group. Was hoping it would be switched up more.

Texas died? Damn there goes my scum read
It's not the same group, we lost Benson and gained Nanook, who I guess is conftown.

Wait why

Because Ty says Nanook was NK'd. Though maybe that could have been a SK, but that would mean someone got blocked on the mafia team - I think.

N1, Tony and Texas were killed.
N2, DF and Benson were killed.
Occams razor would suggest that we have two killing powers in the midst of our small group. The DF kill feels town-aligned, the Benson kill does not.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m super behind now apparently, probably just gonna sheep my homie Nutella’s votes until I have some of my own.

[juliets]

[mention]nutella[/mention] what is at the heart of your suspicions of vanity? Same question for Elephant. Do you think they were distancing yesterday?

[juliets]

Well, not much happening so I'm going to watch some football for a little while but I'll be back.

[Hyena]

Hmm.

Okay.

[Hyena]

Well first, I'm just gonna put Nanook in my town core. Having played scum with him, I feel like he could've easily steered the lynch to 112 (assuming they're town) or to another non-scum player considering how close the wagons were at times. It's as easy as that.

[Hyena]

Secondly,

gotta take a ~20 minutes pause

hopefully I don't miss the deadline again

If you do miss it, I will make it my personal mission to lynch you D3 if we're both alive.

I'm going to postpone this mission of mine.

Since it seems that we won't be joining the others all at once, I feel more inclined to resolve Vanity and Elephant today if possible. I had hoped I'd be able to go after some of the people in the other people today, but if we're stuck with this group, I'd rather move forward knowing at least one of their alignments.

[Hyena]

Secondly,

gotta take a ~20 minutes pause

hopefully I don't miss the deadline again

If you do miss it, I will make it my personal mission to lynch you D3 if we're both alive.

I'm going to postpone this mission of mine.

Since it seems that we won't be joining the others all at once, I feel more inclined to resolve Vanity and Elephant today if possible. I had hoped I'd be able to go after some of the people in the other people today, but if we're stuck with this group, I'd rather move forward knowing at least one of their alignments.

And just to clarify, this is not a permission slip for you to slank, Creature. I will go after you if I feel that it's necessary.

[nutella]

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

[Hyena]

Thirdly, look at these wagons at EoD1 and EoD2:

EoD1

[10] Dragomir - Benson, nutella, vanity., Long Con, Master Radishes, Hyena, Trustworthy Liberal, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Pawn Lelouch, juliets
[7] 112 - Creature, Evenstar, TonyStarkPrime, novaselinenever, Elephant, Epignosis, Jackofhearts2005

EoD2
[5] boo - Long Con, Hyena, nutella, Benson, vanity
[5] DFar - TLib, Creature, juliets, boo, Elephant

All of the Boo voters at EoD2 were Dragomir voters at EoD1. Considering that both Boo and DFar were town, I wouldn't think that scum would favor one wagon over another. Thus, I'm starting to have a feeling that it's possible that there is scum on the Boo wagon, that someone in those 5 people did bus Dragomir, and that scum maybe just wanted to continue to vote with the group that they voted with before. I'm actually surprised that THAT many of us ended up voting together again.

(Also, just to note, TLib was the only Dragomir voter that voted DFar yesterday.)

[Hyena]

Thirdly, look at these wagons at EoD1 and EoD2:

EoD1

[10] Dragomir - Benson, nutella, vanity., Long Con, Master Radishes, Hyena, Trustworthy Liberal, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Pawn Lelouch, juliets
[7] 112 - Creature, Evenstar, TonyStarkPrime, novaselinenever, Elephant, Epignosis, Jackofhearts2005

EoD2
[5] boo - Long Con, Hyena, nutella, Benson, vanity
[5] DFar - TLib, Creature, juliets, boo, Elephant

All of the Boo voters at EoD2 were Dragomir voters at EoD1. Considering that both Boo and DFar were town, I wouldn't think that scum would favor one wagon over another. Thus, I'm starting to have a feeling that it's possible that there is scum on the Boo wagon, that someone in those 5 people did bus Dragomir, and that scum maybe just wanted to continue to vote with the group that they voted with before. I'm actually surprised that THAT many of us ended up voting together again.

(Also, just to note, TLib was the only Dragomir voter that voted DFar yesterday.)

Wait, my bad, Juliets was also a Dragomir voter that voted DFar yesterday.

[juliets]

[mention]nutella[/mention] did you see my questions to you? If you don't want to talk about both, maybe you could just talk about Elephant since you voted him.

[juliets]

Ok, goodnight everyone!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

[nutella]

@nutella did you see my questions to you? If you don't want to talk about both, maybe you could just talk about Elephant since you voted him.

I just feel like he's the most likely scum in this bunch rn, partially poe and partially his thread activity/pushes on d2 (and some on d1). Like in general he seems like he might have an agenda. Could be teamed with TL I guess. I will do more in depth research in a bit, see how I feel about him in relation to Drago and such.

[Trustworthy Liberal]

Hey caught up with today currently curious on a few things for our new team mates.

What happened over there sounds like you were on the other side but something happened?

Did you guys see who was lynched/I anyone seems cleared as only people from this side seem to have dies that we know of.

Is it possible the neutral(s) are why we are separated?

That last one I more open to both sides of people

[Trustworthy Liberal]

Happy that the (Am assuming Town Big) cleared up the wagons and is much better then having to use a future Lynch on him.

Also was town reading Nanook d1 and Don't have a read on Nova/Ty4on.

[nutella]

Most of those questions have been pretty thoroughly addressed but you said you caught up? What are you missing? Other than the last one which I think no it's just the setup/was probably planned from the start by the hosts

[Trustworthy Liberal]

Most of those questions have been pretty thoroughly addressed but you said you caught up? What are you missing? Other than the last one which I think no it's just the setup/was probably planned from the start by the hosts

I posted this and another page showed up Soo i guess when I reloaded it didn't show page 89-90 was 88 think my internet's not doing great atm.

Also I makes sense was curious I other's opinions on that as well just a thought in how to end it as to me seems like an anti town thing so seems like a way we would stop it.

But after reading i saw it mentioned Nanook was night killed which makes me ask these questions now

Do you think the mafia is isolated between threads as well?

Did the neutral kill each night? If so what side are they on currently thinking other side based on the Benson kill being better for mafia then a neutral

Also assuming we've had two vig shots I imagine they are on this side based on both deaths being from this side

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Reminder to everyone to account for Daylight Saving Time. All game deadlines will reflect the clock being moved back one hour.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

DST screwed up the poll deadline, so I have removed it. The poll will still terminate at 6:00 PM EST on Monday. We will screen shot it when the deadline hits.

[juliets]

Most of those questions have been pretty thoroughly addressed but you said you caught up? What are you missing? Other than the last one which I think no it's just the setup/was probably planned from the start by the hosts

I posted this and another page showed up Soo i guess when I reloaded it didn't show page 89-90 was 88 think my internet's not doing great atm.

Also I makes sense was curious I other's opinions on that as well just a thought in how to end it as to me seems like an anti town thing so seems like a way we would stop it.

But after reading i saw it mentioned Nanook was night killed which makes me ask these questions now

Do you think the mafia is isolated between threads as well?

Did the neutral kill each night? If so what side are they on currently thinking other side based on the Benson kill being better for mafia then a neutral

Also assuming we've had two vig shots I imagine they are on this side based on both deaths being from this side

TL if I had to guess I would say there is mafia in both groups. I base that on how these split games have normally worked when I played them.

If I understand your question, I don't think we know anything about a neutral (I call it 3rd party) kill. Both the Benson kill and the Nanook kill feel like mafia kills. The Faraday kill and the TonyStarkPrime kills felt like vigs but as I think about it now, they could have been 3p kills or maybe one of them was. If there was a 3p kill on the other side last night I think they would be here now.

One thought from the middle of the night, I think we have to be careful of if Nanook or Ty4on is bad, the mafia probably know now that they can kill on the other level and the person will still be alive in the game on this level. They may purposely kill one of their own to gain cred on the other level and possibly here since they would also know we are looking at one of the two kills as someone who is town. I'm basing this on the mafia still being able to talk as a group even though they were split over two groups which is the way I remember it working in the past.

[juliets]

Wake up everyone!

[juliets]

Everyone, be sure and change your time in the user control panel if you went off daylight savings time last night or your times will be wrong. Go to user control panel, board preferences, my time zone. There will be a "suggested" time and thats what I used to make it right. I'm eastern time so I changed to UTC - 5.

[vanity.]

hello

sorry i wasn't here yesterday. fixed now since i'll be here but i don't know how much i'll be playing today.

[vanity.]

rip benson. iirc he had a lot of suspicion on elephant and maybe juliets as well?

dfaraday was unfortunately a death that had to happen sooner rather than later.

[vanity.]

benson was also pushing on tlib. he was also just one of the most active and villagery people in our group, though that raises the question why nutella didn't die?

thinking face emoji

[Trustworthy Liberal]

Most of those questions have been pretty thoroughly addressed but you said you caught up? What are you missing? Other than the last one which I think no it's just the setup/was probably planned from the start by the hosts

I posted this and another page showed up Soo i guess when I reloaded it didn't show page 89-90 was 88 think my internet's not doing great atm.

Also I makes sense was curious I other's opinions on that as well just a thought in how to end it as to me seems like an anti town thing so seems like a way we would stop it.

But after reading i saw it mentioned Nanook was night killed which makes me ask these questions now

Do you think the mafia is isolated between threads as well?

Did the neutral kill each night? If so what side are they on currently thinking other side based on the Benson kill being better for mafia then a neutral

Also assuming we've had two vig shots I imagine they are on this side based on both deaths being from this side

TL if I had to guess I would say there is mafia in both groups. I base that on how these split games have normally worked when I played them.

If that's how they are normally that would make sense orginaly was thinking since it seems dieing over there isn't total death.

If I understand your question, I don't think we know anything about a neutral (I call it 3rd party) kill. Both the Benson kill and the Nanook kill feel like mafia kills. The Faraday kill and the TonyStarkPrime kills felt like vigs but as I think about it now, they could have been 3p kills or maybe one of them was. If there was a 3p kill on the other side last night I think they would be here now.

That makes sense, is also why If been thinking maybe killing the neutral realigns us with both sides and that the kills on Faraday and Tony were town aligned kills could be a mafia vig trying the blend but without role claims i don't see that ever being mafia or the neutral.

One thought from the middle of the night, I think we have to be careful of if Nanook or Ty4on is bad, the mafia probably know now that they can kill on the other level and the person will still be alive in the game on this level. They may purposely kill one of their own to gain cred on the other level and possibly here since they would also know we are looking at one of the two kills as someone who is town. I'm basing this on the mafia still being able to talk as a group even though they were split over two groups which is the way I remember it working in the past.

I assume is that they found out only last night if ty4on was indeed a wolf or atleast i hope so seems really strong if they always knew since the splet has already been iffy having mainly people at one time scum read and the other the remainder of people.

[Trustworthy Liberal]

benson was also pushing on tlib. he was also just one of the most active and villagery people in our group, though that raises the question why nutella didn't die?

thinking face emoji

That I currently i thought on that but not pushing that today more of questionability later down depending on how long they live for

[vanity.]

long con is far and away the wolfiest person on boo. the people on dfaraday look wolfy though i'd perceive villagers are more likely to vote on dfaraday in these scenarios

so evaluating the vote from yesterday is tricky.

[vanity.]

hyena why are you such a tough case to crack every time you're in the game...

like i want to say this is villa hyena but... idk what else to say. i don't think it's that simple tbh

[Trustworthy Liberal]

long con is far and away the wolfiest person on boo. the people on dfaraday look wolfy though i'd perceive villagers are more likely to vote on dfaraday in these scenarios

so evaluating the vote from yesterday is tricky.

Yeah yesterday's wagons leave alot of missing parts gonna go over and see if anyone's reasons for voting are bad/wolfy

[vanity.]

long con is far and away the wolfiest person on boo. the people on dfaraday look wolfy though i'd perceive villagers are more likely to vote on dfaraday in these scenarios

so evaluating the vote from yesterday is tricky.

Yeah yesterday's wagons leave alot of missing parts gonna go over and see if anyone's reasons for voting are bad/wolfy

it should be tricky, it's a split vote between 2 villas. but the question is, did the wolves in the group make it that way?

i know i'm a villager and i split the vote for... kneeneighbor reasons.

also the list of people that didn't vote on drago in this group are now:
ty4on
elephant
creature

so the list of names that didn't vote on drago decreased. so the question we must ask ourselves is, is there actually a wolf in this group?

...i don't know currently.

[juliets]

[mention]Trustworthy Liberal[/mention] I have to use the white background so colors like that green you answered me in are very hard for me to read. The yellow is impossible for me too. Just wanted to let you know so maybe in the future you could answer me in another color - red, blue and purple show up real well on my background