sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:36 am
Also rip Mac voting for me, nothing new there. He can't read me worth a damn.
Straight for that card ay.
Anywho so far Creature and Rej are top town reads. I think Nutella is also town. I'd like to see fellow towns towning a bit harder.
I think we're also looking at wolfjay lol. I know he says he's busy but I can't help but feel if he was town he'd have used the posts he has made for more townie purposes. More FPS to see what happens less "please hold for assistance.
Jack worries me. Speedchuck also.
But Dragomir doing the ol' "hello fellow townies" thing can take some scrutiny for now.
sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:25 pm
Also are winner banners not a thing anymore? Also also i really need to add the last two years of games I've maybe won at some point. Also Also Also I'd bet either 2/3 of the mafia team haven't checked in yet or they all have.
Dafuq does that last sentence even mean tho. Like what kind of take is that
This is scummy imo.
My hypothesis is nutella is mafia and at that time her teammates had yet to check in so she was trying to indirectly counter my point.
sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:25 pm
Also are winner banners not a thing anymore? Also also i really need to add the last two years of games I've maybe won at some point. Also Also Also I'd bet either 2/3 of the mafia team haven't checked in yet or they all have.
Dafuq does that last sentence even mean tho. Like what kind of take is that
This is scummy imo.
My hypothesis is nutella is mafia and at that time her teammates had yet to check in so she was trying to indirectly counter my point.
What if I told you that, statistically, mafia tend to check in earlier?
sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:25 pm
Also are winner banners not a thing anymore? Also also i really need to add the last two years of games I've maybe won at some point. Also Also Also I'd bet either 2/3 of the mafia team haven't checked in yet or they all have.
Dafuq does that last sentence even mean tho. Like what kind of take is that
This is scummy imo.
My hypothesis is nutella is mafia and at that time her teammates had yet to check in so she was trying to indirectly counter my point.
What if I told you that, statistically, mafia tend to check in earlier?
My main thought is her reaction to my post and less the statistics of when they may check in, if that makes any sense?
sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:25 pm
Also are winner banners not a thing anymore? Also also i really need to add the last two years of games I've maybe won at some point. Also Also Also I'd bet either 2/3 of the mafia team haven't checked in yet or they all have.
Dafuq does that last sentence even mean tho. Like what kind of take is that
This is scummy imo.
My hypothesis is nutella is mafia and at that time her teammates had yet to check in so she was trying to indirectly counter my point.
Lolno? You just made a random unfounded two-way statement about whether the scum had checked in. It made no sense.
sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:25 pm
Also are winner banners not a thing anymore? Also also i really need to add the last two years of games I've maybe won at some point. Also Also Also I'd bet either 2/3 of the mafia team haven't checked in yet or they all have.
Dafuq does that last sentence even mean tho. Like what kind of take is that
This is scummy imo.
My hypothesis is nutella is mafia and at that time her teammates had yet to check in so she was trying to indirectly counter my point.
What if I told you that, statistically, mafia tend to check in earlier?
My main thought is her reaction to my post and less the statistics of when they may check in, if that makes any sense?
I do find it difficult to condemn her for her reaction, because I agree with her. That idea of your about check-ins seems to be completely random and nonsensical. I do appreciate its quasi-relevance as a vehicle for promoting spirited and conflicting discussion.
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:57 pm
Considering 17 players usually means 4 mafia in a town v mafia singleball but also considering this site is weird, I'd say 3 mafia with chances of a handful of third parties
I could see that, I don't recall ever playing a Nova game though which does make it a bit more murky.
I'd say 3-4 mafia and two third parties probably with survivorish roles, I don't think the game could support a SK given how small it is and there being role reveals. It's also possible one of the third parties is a mechanism against role claiming, if they're not I'd be wary of the mafia having a role that could punish a player for revealing info/claiming.
the way you imply he third parties being survivorish is worrying me
I note it down
It's an obvious assumption to make given the player pool.
1.5 years mafia experience, and I havent ever seen someone comming D0 implying that third parties might be survivorish. Lmao, this is scummy af and I dont know how else to judge this random wild assumption.
I just think that you could be harmful (possible third) who tries to downplay the scum/thirds in general in this game.
Thats why I said noteworthy.
Gonna play the culture card here, I like to try to distinguish third party, no point in hunting survivors SKs you should go after. Same with Cult.
Survivor is a bad role.
It is way too easy to win with, when it loses, it is rarely the fault of the survivor player, optimal survivor play leads to a less interesting game and survivors can easily become kingmakers at endgame, which is against the spirit of the game.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am
really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING
??? What is this
What do you think it is?
I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?
sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:36 am
Also rip Mac voting for me, nothing new there. He can't read me worth a damn.
Straight for that card ay.
Anywho so far Creature and Rej are top town reads. I think Nutella is also town. I'd like to see fellow towns towning a bit harder.
I think we're also looking at wolfjay lol. I know he says he's busy but I can't help but feel if he was town he'd have used the posts he has made for more townie purposes. More FPS to see what happens less "please hold for assistance.
Jack worries me. Speedchuck also.
But Dragomir doing the ol' "hello fellow townies" thing can take some scrutiny for now.
Probably cause of that whole scalpel politics conversation, eh?
Last time I accused speed of being mafia in a game it was because he was saying something scummy on purpose to gather reactions that could be analysed, and he was actually civ, so I fell into his trap (tho I was civ myself too).
This time around speed is wishing jack hadn't commented on creature's meta so me and other people would attack him. Producing reactions that can be analysed.
Second paragraph of this post reminds me a lot of the first one. In other words, I don't feel like suspecting speed for doing something I've noticed civ speed likes to do (do things on purpose to gather reactions).
I mean survivor is a terrible role but this site isn't above using it.
Or nova. Though nova is this weird multi-site creature who started playing everywhere at the same time so I can't even use site culture to predict his setup.
Besides it is possible to make survivor work. It needs some extra requirements or handicaps.
sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:36 am
Also rip Mac voting for me, nothing new there. He can't read me worth a damn.
Straight for that card ay.
Anywho so far Creature and Rej are top town reads. I think Nutella is also town. I'd like to see fellow towns towning a bit harder.
I think we're also looking at wolfjay lol. I know he says he's busy but I can't help but feel if he was town he'd have used the posts he has made for more townie purposes. More FPS to see what happens less "please hold for assistance.
Jack worries me. Speedchuck also.
But Dragomir doing the ol' "hello fellow townies" thing can take some scrutiny for now.
I definitely know that Drago can be stronger in entrances, he is worthy to observe.
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:57 pm
Considering 17 players usually means 4 mafia in a town v mafia singleball but also considering this site is weird, I'd say 3 mafia with chances of a handful of third parties
I could see that, I don't recall ever playing a Nova game though which does make it a bit more murky.
I'd say 3-4 mafia and two third parties probably with survivorish roles, I don't think the game could support a SK given how small it is and there being role reveals. It's also possible one of the third parties is a mechanism against role claiming, if they're not I'd be wary of the mafia having a role that could punish a player for revealing info/claiming.
the way you imply he third parties being survivorish is worrying me
I note it down
It's an obvious assumption to make given the player pool.
1.5 years mafia experience, and I havent ever seen someone comming D0 implying that third parties might be survivorish. Lmao, this is scummy af and I dont know how else to judge this random wild assumption.
I just think that you could be harmful (possible third) who tries to downplay the scum/thirds in general in this game.
Thats why I said noteworthy.
Gonna play the culture card here, I like to try to distinguish third party, no point in hunting survivors SKs you should go after. Same with Cult.
Survivor is a bad role.
It is way too easy to win with, when it loses, it is rarely the fault of the survivor player, optimal survivor play leads to a less interesting game and survivors can easily become kingmakers at endgame, which is against the spirit of the game.
Change my mind.
You can forge a survivor as much as you can, survivors with immunities, survivors with defensive active abilities. X-Target wincon.
and I think it really depends on the setup. they are far away from being bastard like Jesters and they are not in town favour like an unjester.
A survivor can be an unhonest role and I like that.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am
really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING
??? What is this
What do you think it is?
I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?
That 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:57 pm
Considering 17 players usually means 4 mafia in a town v mafia singleball but also considering this site is weird, I'd say 3 mafia with chances of a handful of third parties
I could see that, I don't recall ever playing a Nova game though which does make it a bit more murky.
I'd say 3-4 mafia and two third parties probably with survivorish roles, I don't think the game could support a SK given how small it is and there being role reveals. It's also possible one of the third parties is a mechanism against role claiming, if they're not I'd be wary of the mafia having a role that could punish a player for revealing info/claiming.
the way you imply he third parties being survivorish is worrying me
I note it down
It's an obvious assumption to make given the player pool.
1.5 years mafia experience, and I havent ever seen someone comming D0 implying that third parties might be survivorish. Lmao, this is scummy af and I dont know how else to judge this random wild assumption.
I just think that you could be harmful (possible third) who tries to downplay the scum/thirds in general in this game.
Thats why I said noteworthy.
Gonna play the culture card here, I like to try to distinguish third party, no point in hunting survivors SKs you should go after. Same with Cult.
Survivor is a bad role.
It is way too easy to win with, when it loses, it is rarely the fault of the survivor player, optimal survivor play leads to a less interesting game and survivors can easily become kingmakers at endgame, which is against the spirit of the game.
Change my mind.
I don't mind a kingmaker 3p being present in the end. You better hope you treated them right. It's an extra level of game politics, and I think it makes things more interesting. I don't buy into the idea of "optimal survivor play" because each game is a unique organism whose optimal play is defined as it plays out. What works perfectly in one game gets you lynched in another.
I've had some of the most fun in games as a 3p survivor, but my taste is obviously for powerful roles , and a beefed-up survivor suits me to a T. You don't need to change your mind to understand another's perspective.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:28 pm
I mean survivor is a terrible role but this site isn't above using it.
Or nova. Though nova is this weird multi-site creature who started playing everywhere at the same time so I can't even use site culture to predict his setup.
Besides it is possible to make survivor work. It needs some extra requirements or handicaps.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:29 pm
Nutella doesn't give any reason to trust her but lynching nutella earlier gives me dejavu. Of bad things. She tends to be lynchbait.
No, she tends to be super easy to read. Let Dom push. Then I’ll tell you her alignment.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am
really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING
??? What is this
What do you think it is?
I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?
That 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.
Hard disagree, the smoother the game the more fun it is.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am
really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING
??? What is this
What do you think it is?
I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?
That 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.
I can’t help myself. DDL expressing suspicion of a player for shit he always does and the opposite of suspicion on a player for shit he isn’t doing and never does. It’s funny.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am
really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING
??? What is this
What do you think it is?
I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?
That 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.
I can’t help myself. DDL expressing suspicion of a player for shit he always does and the opposite of suspicion on a player for shit he isn’t doing and never does. It’s funny.
Seems like something I would feel compelled to do too.
I could see that, I don't recall ever playing a Nova game though which does make it a bit more murky.
I'd say 3-4 mafia and two third parties probably with survivorish roles, I don't think the game could support a SK given how small it is and there being role reveals. It's also possible one of the third parties is a mechanism against role claiming, if they're not I'd be wary of the mafia having a role that could punish a player for revealing info/claiming.
the way you imply he third parties being survivorish is worrying me
I note it down
It's an obvious assumption to make given the player pool.
1.5 years mafia experience, and I havent ever seen someone comming D0 implying that third parties might be survivorish. Lmao, this is scummy af and I dont know how else to judge this random wild assumption.
I just think that you could be harmful (possible third) who tries to downplay the scum/thirds in general in this game.
Thats why I said noteworthy.
Gonna play the culture card here, I like to try to distinguish third party, no point in hunting survivors SKs you should go after. Same with Cult.
Survivor is a bad role.
It is way too easy to win with, when it loses, it is rarely the fault of the survivor player, optimal survivor play leads to a less interesting game and survivors can easily become kingmakers at endgame, which is against the spirit of the game.
Change my mind.
I don't mind a kingmaker 3p being present in the end. You better hope you treated them right. It's an extra level of game politics, and I think it makes things more interesting. I don't buy into the idea of "optimal survivor play" because each game is a unique organism whose optimal play is defined as it plays out. What works perfectly in one game gets you lynched in another.
I've had some of the most fun in games as a 3p survivor, but my taste is obviously for powerful roles , and a beefed-up survivor suits me to a T. You don't need to change your mind to understand another's perspective.
Optimal survivor play is to not have activity about a certain level so you don’t get nightkilled. That’s boring.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am
really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING
??? What is this
What do you think it is?
I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?
That 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.
I can’t help myself. DDL expressing suspicion of a player for shit he always does and the opposite of suspicion on a player for shit he isn’t doing and never does. It’s funny.
Seems like something I would feel compelled to do too.
But I hold myself back.
The universe where we have a little more self control.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am
really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING
??? What is this
What do you think it is?
I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?
That 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.
But it's not a conflict if there isn't disagreement. Stating a townread should be fine for that, if you disagree you can continue on that topic.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am
really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING
??? What is this
What do you think it is?
I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?
That 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.
But it's not a conflict if there isn't disagreement. Stating a townread should be fine for that, if you disagree you can continue on that topic.
I assumed Creature would disagree, and then I could say he is biased and defending himself, and we could whirl down a spiral of blame and recursive arguments and THEN Jack could stop us.
And people like you would comment on it and be all like "how scummy" and we'd have a lot to work with.
I guess that's happening anyway now, so thanks. [VOTE:
nutella] aubergine
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:57 pm
I don't think anyone should be easing up on Creature just because Jack says he's Civ on Day 1. Is that what's happening?
Yes you should. I’ve correctly pegged town Creature on D1 in like four games.
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:57 pm
I don't think anyone should be easing up on Creature just because Jack says he's Civ on Day 1. Is that what's happening?
I independently townread creature, prob same reasons as jack bit not because of him. Creature is just in his clear town meta tone imo.
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:57 pm
I don't think anyone should be easing up on Creature just because Jack says he's Civ on Day 1. Is that what's happening?
Yes you should. I’ve correctly pegged town Creature on D1 in like four games.
But I didn’t say he was town here.
All I have on him is his pessimism and subtle discouragement of the town side. Jack has me almost back at neutral.
Seems like something I would feel compelled to do too.
