Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also, ftr, I’m not especially TRing Radishes. I just thought presenting him using baddie as a slip was really poor play

[S~V~S]

One last thing, did anyone save the Zero poll?

Linki @Nanook, thanks for the reply. It really did not feel that way to me, but OK. On my way out the door, will think about this and get back to you later, bye!

[Michelle]

Regarding strong reads, I think civs need to be hyper aggressive this game becasue of this:

Hosts with the most said:


Ghosts

When a player dies, their ghost remains in the thread for three more phases. A ghost may post on-topic thrice-twice-once, in successive phases, in dead-red text. A ghost can claim its Win Condition.

Have you ever had that moment in a game, right after you died, when suddenly, it was all clear. Yeah, we all have. The baddies are gonna have to try harder to be blendy this game becasue of this, not be over aggressive, becasue it's gonna be harder for them to blow off a mislynch with the victim still in the thread. It's gonna be harder for them to just NK people who get up in their grilles if the victim is still in the thread.

I am always a pretty aggressive civ, but I tend to try to hold reads close to the vest becasue I don't want to paint targets on civs or give a baddie the heads up that they are under suspicion; sometimes I like to watch and draw them out, to see if they slip. But I think this is the game for full reads.

Spoiler: show

I want to see how the Zero poll plays out. Right now I like Nanook, I like sig, I like Nutella. I don't dislike Jules, TH, Jay, or Ted. I am not feeling Chuck so much or Sloonei. Sloonei getting all aggressive with sig rubs me the wrong way, becasue this is something I seem to recall seeing Sloonei doing fairly often, getting in sigs face. It's an easy stance for Sloonei to fall into. My thoughts on Chuck are wrapped up in his poll vote

Most everyone else is gray for me, or someone I am actively waffling about like Jack or G Man. I know G Man is hiding from G Woman, which I know was always a thing with him, but what little he wrote, meh. So him and Jack aren't really grey, but I could go either way. Some of the gray people, like Epi, Mac, and Tranq, are people I like to sort early, but it's Zero, so

I don't think I played with Michelle before; I did play with Dyslexicon, but not enough to have a basis of comparison.

I also see that Dom, Colin, Dragomir and Sabie have not checked in yet.

I think this idea comes from a civ mindset.

We never played before but I have few games here, one is my best scum game imo in Girl genius game (august last year), and one is the shortest game, the Chess game who just finished this month. That is if you feel the need to check meta.

[Michelle]

One last thing, did anyone save the Zero poll?

Linki Nanook, thanks for the reply. It really did not feel that way to me, but OK. On my way out the door, will think about this and get back to you later, bye!

the zero poll is in the first post, saved and spoilered by host

[Michelle]

Some banters itt on page 6

Noticing a TR for me from Dizzy, and I prefere to take it as such because in a multiball with 3rd parts it's harder to think me for town core as being pockety.

Nutella wanting a Dizzy vs Sloonei fight noted. What if it's between 2 townies @Nutella ? It would be a beneficial one?

Nanook and Master Radishes giving me some odd vibes, it may be nothing.

I mean, it would be juicy content, so yeah? But also I don't feel quite the same way about them now as I did at the time of that post so idc

My question was if Dizzy vs Sloonei is civ vs civ (as imagination exercise) this would be beneficial for town and your answer is yeah because it would be juicy?
If I really didn't understand, please rephrase.

[tedxtr]

Independent of all this: how do we all feel about master radishes?

not having much on him, i don't think there's been anything AI up to this post from him really

[tedxtr]

Like am I crazy here or is this a potential slip.

MacDougall
Epignosis

sig, what are you saying is a slip?

I was saying radish using term baddie could ne a slip that's he has BTSC with an older player who uses term

this is the closest thing to a town derp thought that's been posted in the thread thus far

[tedxtr]

Like am I crazy here or is this a potential slip.

MacDougall
Epignosis

sig, what are you saying is a slip?

I was saying radish using term baddie could ne a slip that's he has BTSC with an older player who uses term

Sig is town?

high five

[sabie12]

Hey svs! it's been awhile since we've been in a game together.
I see the votes on jack and I'm not sure. I thought i had a good idea of Jack's gameplay but I've been wrong a couple times. I feel like he tries really hard to blend in and look civ when he's bad and has been a more aggressive and jokey player when civ. He accused nutella in another game and ended up getting mislynched early on and was right about her. Nutella can be difficult to read at times but I have been able to read her correctly before. When I have more time later I'll have to read through their ISOs

Nanook was bad last game I played in and he was good at seeming like a civilian for awhile. I actually only started suspecting him towards the end. I haven't had a chance to look over his civ gameplay style to see if it is similar.
I saw JJJ put me in the bottom part of the reads when I haven't even done anything yet or is it because I haven't done anything yet? I didn't even know the game had started and it's a lot to catch up on. I'm not super talkative in the beginning of games sometimes but I'm trying to get better at it.

[tedxtr]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, you didn't do a whole lot as a Chess bad boy and your champion look is looking like your chess bad boy look looked.

I’ve done objectively more this game already tbh so this is a bad read

and what does it say about j's alignment?

[tedxtr]

Tex/Michelle are my early town read
Jay and nanook early meh reada

1) tedxtr is town

Agreed.

I remember you calling my read on you baseless commentary, how did that turn into this?

[tedxtr]

@sprityo you weren't an MVP nominee for this!

Why the focus on sprit? First and last time you mentioned him before this was in a list where you said you plus'd him (town read?).

[Michelle]

Sloonei and dizzy both have high mafia equity, but low teammate equity, thus killing one will tell us more about the other as they’re in a non-mechanical 1v1 dipole.

That’s my quota of Serious Mafia Terms for the day, you’re welcome.

sounds spicy at the first read

Sloonei and dizzy both have high mafia equity, but low teammate equity, thus killing one will tell us more about the other as they’re in a non-mechanical 1v1 dipole.

That’s my quota of Serious Mafia Terms for the day, you’re welcome.

This post suggests that nanook is unaware there are two mafia teams.

Is quite interesting Sloonei didn't infirm the accusation

Sloonei and dizzy both have high mafia equity, but low teammate equity, thus killing one will tell us more about the other as they’re in a non-mechanical 1v1 dipole.

That’s my quota of Serious Mafia Terms for the day, you’re welcome.

This post suggests that nanook is unaware there are two mafia teams.

This post suggests that Nanook is spewing nonsense.

the post was presented as serious

I think I like Sloonei, but I don't remember why now.

maybe you can dig in memories?

This is two posts from SVS now that have felt like they could be written by a scum. Not that they are, just that they could be.

I certainly don't have a mindmeld with Radishes this game

[tedxtr]

[VOTE: Nutella ] aubergine

[Michelle]

Sloonei and dizzy both have high mafia equity, but low teammate equity, thus killing one will tell us more about the other as they’re in a non-mechanical 1v1 dipole.

That’s my quota of Serious Mafia Terms for the day, you’re welcome.

This post suggests that nanook is unaware there are two mafia teams.

This post suggests that Nanook is spewing nonsense.

I was gonna say it's a good look for you

I mean it’s nonsense, but also even if you take it seriously I referenced the increases KP from two teams existing like 5 posts before this, so

One team kills in odd nights, one in even nights. The KP is the same like in a normal game isn't it?

[tedxtr]

Still waiting for those hot takes

page 12 nutella is yucky

[tedxtr]

[tedxtr]

nook how'd you feel about nutella?

[sig]

Glad to see we're lynching nanook.

Also his refusal to engage is kinda mafiaish.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Okay, Michelle is town.

[S~V~S]

Still waiting for those hot takes

page 12 nutella is yucky

I am not seeing it, I think page 12 nutella is pretty ok. What exactly is yucky about her?


[mention]Michelle[/mention] thanks for the poll point out. And I will go back and check out your games as time allows.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] , you didn't do a whole lot as a Chess bad boy and your champion look is looking like your chess bad boy look looked.

I’ve done objectively more this game already tbh so this is a bad read

and what does it say about j's alignment?

I covered this later, but—I said Jay was dropping like a lead balloon, but the only game I’ve seen him play I think his reads were all wrong except one, so it’s conceivable he’s still town.

[sig]

Oh and I've been mainly phone posting so weird spelling errors and grammar issues are that. I swear I'm literate.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Sloonei and dizzy both have high mafia equity, but low teammate equity, thus killing one will tell us more about the other as they’re in a non-mechanical 1v1 dipole.

That’s my quota of Serious Mafia Terms for the day, you’re welcome.

This post suggests that nanook is unaware there are two mafia teams.

This post suggests that Nanook is spewing nonsense.

I was gonna say it's a good look for you

I mean it’s nonsense, but also even if you take it seriously I referenced the increases KP from two teams existing like 5 posts before this, so

One team kills in odd nights, one in even nights. The KP is the same like in a normal game isn't it?

I was under the impression they both had normal KP? I may have skimmed that section though tbh I didn’t/don’t really expect to be alive D2

[sig]

I'm liking svs posts.

Dom/sab hasn't done much yet, but they're here so would like to see more there.

Not liking Mac's lack of explanation on reads, but I seem to remember that's how he's been playing recently.

I also didn't see anything that bad with nutella. She seems to be playing her normal day one self.

I need to read over Jack, his tone/style does seem a bit off. But, not necessarily mafia behavior. What is this known Jack scum tell he's displaying?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

nook how'd you feel about nutella?

You’re lucky this is so close to where I was quoted

Idk, I thought she was town early, having some trouble parsing her vote movement recently. I *think* it reminds me of kinetic townNutella I saw in Inception, but I also have a small sample size so I don’t feel super confident about it. I’d say leaning town still I guess.

I certainly don’t want to kill her today tho.

[sig]

Tsp, Sprityo, and Epi all seem okay right now also.

I definitely like Epi's interaction with nanook.

Radish's early posts felt a bit fake, but I liked his big self describing post and I'd be hesitant to vote for someone I've never plated with day one.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Still waiting for those hot takes

We should lynch jack so he can go play the mountain of video games he needs to finish

No joke. Made a bunch of progress on my dwarf campaign in Total Warhammer yesterday.

Unfortunately, I’m unlynchable and obvious town so I’m not going anywhere until a mafia says so.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Cool I’m caught up

@JaggedJimmyJay you said that I was nominated for mvp for a reason. Now I totally could’ve nominated myself but I didn’t (so thank you to whoever did that) but your statement for that was hollow in that I play mafia my way and that’s how I get results. Same as everyone. So if you want MVP material you’re just gonna have to wait for it because it’ll come with time.

What’d Mac say in Inception to the scum team? “Sprityo is a crucial mislynch” although I like to think of myself more like a snowball

Enough about me though-

I don’t care about this nanook sig radishes kerfuffle that happened between pages 6 and 10 roughly, I’m gonna go out on a limb and say jack is mafia this game. Just pure gut. I have no reason other than I think it.

Also Dom is here, huzzah! I enjoyed playing with Dom in Inception and can’t wait for another game with him. Same to Dizzy, I love their zanyness.

Jay is also 100% town. Don’t ask me why

That’s my lukewarm takes, Jack bad, jay good

[VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m Mafia when I engage, I’m mafia when I disengage

You’re not interested in reevaluating, so there’s no point continuing to talk to you about it.

[sig]

Dizzy is underperforming what I've come to expect from his town game so that's a ping.
[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] general thoughts?

[sig]

I’m Mafia when I engage, I’m mafia when I disengage

You’re not interested in reevaluating, so there’s no point continuing to talk to you about it.

I'm willing to reevaluate but trying to say you engaged me isn't really accurate. You got aggressive and defensive said I've never seen your civ game so can't read you, then decided to ignore what I've said about you.

[sig]

Dizzy is underperforming what I've come to expect from his town game so that's a ping.
@Dyslexicon general thoughts?

Based off what*

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It’s not even like I’m ignoring questions either, all you’ve been doing is spouting some truly trash reasoning.

[Michelle]

geez the "baddie" discussion on pg 8, such nitpicky thingy

Independent of all this: how do we all feel about master radishes?

I am not impressed until now. And on Inception team I was.

Radish has made a decent number of posts and none of them have inspired any feeling in me, so that's a net negative.

Kind of my idea better explained

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m Mafia when I engage, I’m mafia when I disengage

You’re not interested in reevaluating, so there’s no point continuing to talk to you about it.

I'm willing to reevaluate but trying to say you engaged me isn't really accurate. You got aggressive and defensive said I've never seen your civ game so can't read you, then decided to ignore what I've said about you.

That objectively isn’t true

[tedxtr]

"im jack and ive never been wrong about nutella before so i have to put a maybe she's town in there to cover my ass"

Specifically, Nutella is showing waffles, wim and opportunism.

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

are you like, reading from a clipboard? seriously what is this?

what have you done with jack??

would you actually be this obvious tho??

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

the first one into the second one is crucial for the next point

the amount of doubt she's presenting, yet still voting for Jack is scummy. feels like a really fake engagement and i read it as parroting of what nanook was doing with sig. it doesn't read as natural as nanook's frustration with sig.

she doesn't even know what she's being voted for and she starts the questioning only after placing a vote

ew

it reads really fake and staged up, the moment nutella points something that i actually am not seeing from jack and then instantly voting him the next post is bad.

The dark forces need to be brought down

[sig]

It’s not even like I’m ignoring questions either, all you’ve been doing is spouting some truly trash reasoning.

It isn't really trash reasonings its based off of analyzing your past games here, but whatever we'll let the other players decide.

Why do you think you'll be killed by N2?

[tedxtr]

it's like she was almost impressed by his vote because she was expecting reluctance from jack and reacted with a counter vote as soon as he voted her for even worse reasoning

[Jackofhearts2005]

SVS probably town as well. I have too many townreads for a multiball game.

Sig, Michelle, Jay, SVS, Sloonei, Ted, Sprityo. probably in about that order.

[sig]

Thoughts on juliets and gman?

I've got a really hard time reading Juliets in general and haven't played with Gman in forever so they're both hard reads.

[juliets]

Wow so much posted last night/this morning. I just now caught up and don't have much time before work but I will spend some more time with this after work.

[mention]tedxtr[/mention] in the post you just made that shows a picture of the vote (I think) it's too small for me to see what you've written in. Can you walk through it in text?

I don't know what to make yet of [mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention]. I have a bad feeling about him but I think it's stemming from the fact that so many of his posts seem like he's irritated and I don't know that "irritated" is AI in his case. JJJ posted some links to him in other games which I need to take a look at after work.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] you said you think [mention]nutella[/mention] is bad because of Wim and opportunism (and the waffle part but you explained what you meant by that). I've always had a problem with this whole "opportunism" thing - can you point to an example in her posts? Also, what is it about her WIM that pings you?

I noticed someone (can't remember who) commenting on the fact that Michelle was not around posting last night as a bad thing because as a civ she usually posts a lot and is around a lot. If I'm remembering correctly she is not around at night because she is is in a timezone that puts her in bed when it's still early in the states. I'm not saying I lean town on her, I haven't seen enough.

I hope this afternoon to at least give some town leans though I struggle early with reads especially in a two mafia set-up. I should be back between 2:00 and 4:00 EST.

Lots of linki I didn't read.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It’s not even like I’m ignoring questions either, all you’ve been doing is spouting some truly trash reasoning.

It isn't really trash reasonings its based off of analyzing your past games here, but whatever we'll let the other players decide.

Why do you think you'll be killed by N2?

I think I’ll be killed N1

I’m a threat

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Not so much on D1, but as soon as we get mafia flips

[sig]

It’s not even like I’m ignoring questions either, all you’ve been doing is spouting some truly trash reasoning.

It isn't really trash reasonings its based off of analyzing your past games here, but whatever we'll let the other players decide.

Why do you think you'll be killed by N2?

I think I’ll be killed N1

I’m a threat

Night one. Meaning your on the Anti-Monitor's Team then.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[sig]

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hey svs! it's been awhile since we've been in a game together.
I see the votes on jack and I'm not sure. I thought i had a good idea of Jack's gameplay but I've been wrong a couple times. I feel like he tries really hard to blend in and look civ when he's bad and has been a more aggressive and jokey player when civ. He accused nutella in another game and ended up getting mislynched early on and was right about her. Nutella can be difficult to read at times but I have been able to read her correctly before. When I have more time later I'll have to read through their ISOs

Nanook was bad last game I played in and he was good at seeming like a civilian for awhile. I actually only started suspecting him towards the end. I haven't had a chance to look over his civ gameplay style to see if it is similar.
I saw JJJ put me in the bottom part of the reads when I haven't even done anything yet or is it because I haven't done anything yet? I didn't even know the game had started and it's a lot to catch up on. I'm not super talkative in the beginning of games sometimes but I'm trying to get better at it.

Sabie Sabie. I didn’t get mislynched. I can even physically be mislynched.

I gathered a few votes and then told Nutella she better shoot me and claim the mafia was trying to frame her, which is exactly what she did.

I’ve correctly read Nutella like 8 games running on D1. She’s a baddie.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]juliets[/mention]

Jay asked for the same thing and I answered in a single post with a “^Nutella reads I don’t believe” or some such at the bottom.

[sig]

So I know I'm being a bit if hypocrite here since I'm saying the same thing about nanook, but that's not the strongest reasoning?

Like what behavior does she have that's different enough to distinguish D1 civ vs baddie? And I don't mean in this game just like in general.