Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m on record as being willing to kill drago as well

[Sloonei]

I can understand that some people wanna catch the big fish. Especially you big game hunter types like Sig. And we all know the big fish is the Big Mac. I get it. It's the big dick move. Mac is scum, we did it fam! Let's all rejoice we killed the King.

But consider how dumb you will all feel when I flip town and you have left Dragomir alive.

Now I am not saying we should lynch Dragomir. In fact I don't really think that listening to my reads is actually all that good of an idea given I have probably read about 10% of the total game posts. But still.

You are not saying we should lynch Dragomir. So what are you saying?

That I'm only getting suspicion from people because people hate me.

Why do these two posts exist?

What the fuck are you talking about?

This whole comment chain. Your initial post was some weird rant about Big Fish with a conspicuous nod to Drago, who you’re then careful to say you don’t want to lynch. What is the purpose of this? What function does it serve in the game of mafia?

[MacDougall]

I’m on record as being willing to kill drago as well

Dragomir
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[Sloonei]

Also I have a lifetime achievement award.

[MacDougall]

I can understand that some people wanna catch the big fish. Especially you big game hunter types like Sig. And we all know the big fish is the Big Mac. I get it. It's the big dick move. Mac is scum, we did it fam! Let's all rejoice we killed the King.

But consider how dumb you will all feel when I flip town and you have left Dragomir alive.

Now I am not saying we should lynch Dragomir. In fact I don't really think that listening to my reads is actually all that good of an idea given I have probably read about 10% of the total game posts. But still.

You are not saying we should lynch Dragomir. So what are you saying?

That I'm only getting suspicion from people because people hate me.

Why do these two posts exist?

What the fuck are you talking about?

This whole comment chain. Your initial post was some weird rant about Big Fish with a conspicuous nod to Drago, who you’re then careful to say you don’t want to lynch. What is the purpose of this? What function does it serve in the game of mafia?

So I like to make people laugh, so sometimes I make posts that are designed to make people laugh. Sometimes when I make posts like that I like to layer it with some game relevant content. Because I was ISOing Dragomir and realised he's done nothing and the idea of ya boy getting lynched over Dragonothere is some bullshit.

But yeah the primary reason is because humour you fucking accountant ass motherfucker.

[MacDougall]

Also I have a lifetime achievement award.

Pfft that award's for kloutwhores.

[Sloonei]

I humored Mac and looked at Drago’s posts. There’s nothing there. He offers a limited-perspective scum read on jack based off of juliets’ cliff notes of Day 1. Other than that he says hi and bounces.

[mention]Dragomir[/mention] get on in here and tell us what’s going on and we’ll, I dunno, teach you how to fly or something.

[Sloonei]

I can understand that some people wanna catch the big fish. Especially you big game hunter types like Sig. And we all know the big fish is the Big Mac. I get it. It's the big dick move. Mac is scum, we did it fam! Let's all rejoice we killed the King.

But consider how dumb you will all feel when I flip town and you have left Dragomir alive.

Now I am not saying we should lynch Dragomir. In fact I don't really think that listening to my reads is actually all that good of an idea given I have probably read about 10% of the total game posts. But still.

You are not saying we should lynch Dragomir. So what are you saying?

That I'm only getting suspicion from people because people hate me.

Why do these two posts exist?

What the fuck are you talking about?

This whole comment chain. Your initial post was some weird rant about Big Fish with a conspicuous nod to Drago, who you’re then careful to say you don’t want to lynch. What is the purpose of this? What function does it serve in the game of mafia?

So I like to make people laugh, so sometimes I make posts that are designed to make people laugh. Sometimes when I make posts like that I like to layer it with some game relevant content. Because I was ISOing Dragomir and realised he's done nothing and the idea of ya boy getting lynched over Dragonothere is some bullshit.

But yeah the primary reason is because humour you fucking accountant ass motherfucker.

Mafia is not a joke, MacDougall.

[MacDougall]

My name is Joe.

[Sloonei]

I also want to go on record that I’m disappointed nobody acknowledged that I randomly told Drago that sprityo is confirmed town. Like I was expecting him or anyone to pick that up and do something with it, I thought it be interesting but now it’s past. Maybe Drago just accepted it and is going to operate in this game with the assumption that sprit is town.

[MacDougall]

I also want to go on record that I’m disappointed nobody acknowledged that I randomly told Drago that sprityo is confirmed town. Like I was expecting him or anyone to pick that up and do something with it, I thought it be interesting but now it’s past. Maybe Drago just accepted it and is going to operate in this game with the assumption that sprit is town.

Guilty minded Sloo Sloo

[Sloonei]

I also want to go on record that I’m disappointed nobody acknowledged that I randomly told Drago that sprityo is confirmed town. Like I was expecting him or anyone to pick that up and do something with it, I thought it be interesting but now it’s past. Maybe Drago just accepted it and is going to operate in this game with the assumption that sprit is town.

Guilty minded Sloo Sloo

Hijinks gone to waste.

[MacDougall]

I also want to go on record that I’m disappointed nobody acknowledged that I randomly told Drago that sprityo is confirmed town. Like I was expecting him or anyone to pick that up and do something with it, I thought it be interesting but now it’s past. Maybe Drago just accepted it and is going to operate in this game with the assumption that sprit is town.

Guilty minded Sloo Sloo

Hijinks gone to waste.

Is there such a thing as lojinks?

[MacDougall]

Wait how is Nanook alive?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Let’s take some downers and find out


Because I’m more unkillable than jack

[Sloonei]

I don’t know. I need to go to sleep. Funny Mac, do things to make me believe that you are town and somebody else deserves to be lynched more than you.

[Sloonei]

Also @mac some people have alluded to your treatment of Jack/nutella on Day 1 as opportunistic or somehow suspicious. Jay and sig mentioned it, I think. Maybe nanook too? Addressing your mindset there might help.

[tedxtr]

hi

[tedxtr]

I skimmed the Mac push and I want it on record that he does have a point w/r/t his other GoC games, I scum read him from his first few posts and questions in Inception when I was practicing my scum hunting and I am far from feeling him scum here

Although him showing his pelts is kind of a turn off

[MacDougall]

Also @mac some people have alluded to your treatment of Jack/nutella on Day 1 as opportunistic or somehow suspicious. Jay and sig mentioned it, I think. Maybe nanook too? Addressing your mindset there might help.

You mean repeating myself and explaining the obvious reasons I did totally basic things on day 1. Yeah that's bound to work

[MacDougall]

I skimmed the Mac push and I want it on record that he does have a point w/r/t his other GoC games, I scum read him from his first few posts and questions in Inception when I was practicing my scum hunting and I am far from feeling him scum here

Although him showing his pelts is kind of a turn off

You don't get sockys to not gloat.

[tedxtr]

In Inception his posts stuck out like a sore thumb and he was forcing interactions with his scum buds that were honestly the closest thing to open wolfing ever since day one.

In here he just posted his thoughts and didn’t force anything. His questions in Inception also sucked and he had a general agenda of looking townie, whereas in here he does seem to go at his own pace.

[MacDougall]

In Inception his posts stuck out like a sore thumb and he was forcing interactions with his scum buds that were honestly the closest thing to open wolfing ever since day one.

In here he just posted his thoughts and didn’t force anything. His questions in Inception also sucked and he had a general agenda of looking townie, whereas in here he does seem to go at his own pace.

Jesus tell me how you really feel

[tedxtr]

I honestly think you’re town and the push on you kind of makes me suspicious of the people on you.

G-Man has been a point of contention ever since day one, so has Radishes. Some people have expressed their reasoning for scum reading G-Man and yet nobody’s really pushing it, and the fact you’re being pushed over him, especially when people are claiming he ain’t done anything makes me sick to my stomach.

Lynch people that are scum.

Also, the case sig presented (which seems like the main reason people are voting you) is easily refutable by you asking in one of your posts “yo sig why are you voting me?” If you were Saitama you’d have known you silenced him so that question makes no sense. I am honestly surprised nobody pointed this out.

Especially going as far as to mention him, which meets a level of expectation of “why hasn’t he tried to engage with me / talk to me” which he couldn’t have done in one post before reaching a scum read on you. First ask questions, then reach a conclusion, and you having that thought is the closest thing to an easy derp clear like sig did on Day 1.

[Michelle]

I’m on record as being willing to kill drago as well

Holy shit.

Welcome Drago.

Hi, what's going on here? I'm not gonna read 35 pages.

@Nanook except he is not playing, what looks like scum for Drago?

Wait how is Nanook alive?

is this a derp attempt? o.o

[Michelle]

hi

Hello

Also good morning everyone. Sunday and 1st of March, a whole day ahead to find scum!

[Master Radishes]

Hold on. If Mac flips wolf, Ted may have just outed himself as his teammate.

In Inception his posts stuck out like a sore thumb and he was forcing interactions with his scum buds that were honestly the closest thing to open wolfing ever since day one.

In here he just posted his thoughts and didn’t force anything. His questions in Inception also sucked and he had a general agenda of looking townie, whereas in here he does seem to go at his own pace.

'His posts stuck out...' - yeah, for you reading in retrospect, sure. If they were that obvious, why didn't he get lynched right away?

And also, context is necessary. Inception was a game Mac had invited a lot of his new Champs friends to, and he presumably had more time to play. I'm not at all surprised he's playing differently here regardless of alignment.

I honestly think you’re town and the push on you kind of makes me suspicious of the people on you.

G-Man has been a point of contention ever since day one, so has Radishes. Some people have expressed their reasoning for scum reading G-Man and yet nobody’s really pushing it, and the fact you’re being pushed over him, especially when people are claiming he ain’t done anything makes me sick to my stomach.

Lynch people that are scum.

Also, the case sig presented (which seems like the main reason people are voting you) is easily refutable by you asking in one of your posts “yo sig why are you voting me?” If you were Saitama you’d have known you silenced him so that question makes no sense. I am honestly surprised nobody pointed this out.

Especially going as far as to mention him, which meets a level of expectation of “why hasn’t he tried to engage with me / talk to me” which he couldn’t have done in one post before reaching a scum read on you. First ask questions, then reach a conclusion, and you having that thought is the closest thing to an easy derp clear like sig did on Day 1.

First, the tone seems too confident about Mac being town.

Secondly, why push G-Man as your counter example instead of me? I've been far more bandied about as a lynch. I actually don't know that this is scummy, but it's odd.

Third, you think Mac trying to engage with Sig refutes him being Saitama? I guess no one has ever lied in a game of Mafia before.


Honestly, this defence feels a bit straw-graspy and is also quite confident about Mac's 'town' alignment, and I question whether a townie would write it.

[Master Radishes]

I'm good with a Mac lynch, both for self-pres reasons and his D1 progression on jack/nutella. His reaction to his wagon today is not convincing me otherwise: I see a lot of things I've said in previous games when scum!me was low-activity and wasn't happy to become a target.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m on record as being willing to kill drago as well

Holy shit.

Welcome Drago.

Hi, what's going on here? I'm not gonna read 35 pages.

@Nanook except he is not playing, what looks like scum for Drago?

Wait how is Nanook alive?

is this a derp attempt? o.o

“Except for the thing he’s doing that’s scummy, what is he doing that’s scummy?”

[Master Radishes]

Also, good morning Michelle.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I see a lot of AtE and I’m just not here for it

[Master Radishes]

Add-on to previous thoughts:

This doesn't prevent scum being on Mac's push, of course. He's not wrong that a few people would be happy to take him out of the game this way.

[Master Radishes]

Also @mac some people have alluded to your treatment of Jack/nutella on Day 1 as opportunistic or somehow suspicious. Jay and sig mentioned it, I think. Maybe nanook too? Addressing your mindset there might help.

I'm so hipster it hurts.

[sprityo]

What is Sprityo doing?

Voting me. Voting Nanook. Flying to Oklahoma.

Sounds like a desperate cry for help tbh.

The numbers, Mason.

WHAT DO THEY MEAN?

[Michelle]

I’m on record as being willing to kill drago as well

Holy shit.

Welcome Drago.

Hi, what's going on here? I'm not gonna read 35 pages.

@Nanook except he is not playing, what looks like scum for Drago?

Wait how is Nanook alive?

is this a derp attempt? o.o

“Except for the thing he’s doing that’s scummy, what is he doing that’s scummy?”

Maybe I misworded, but I don't like how Nanook is mocking me instead answering.
He is not showing he is pissed by an idiotic question, showing a towny displeasure for my lack of attention, he just noted how bad am I at expressing my ideas in english.
How convinced is everyone that Nanook came back in green slot?

[sprityo]

The other thing that makes me feel OK about a mac TK is that we have actual battle lines over it, people are invested on both sides, as opposed to radishes where we have a few people invested in killing him and everyone else seemingly kind of shrugging and going “eh, idk, maybe?”

And I tend to think that in a game like this a polarized TK is more likely to lead to scum than one where the strongest defense against it amounts to a half hearted “idk he’s kinda null.”

I dunno, it seems like the only thing that's likely to happen after I get mislynched is that you mislynch Turnip Head for TMI or some dumb shit.

Idk if I’d ever go turnip head over like half the roster tbh

Alright alright we're getting somewhere.

Click here for hot sex with locals.

fuck, this isn't the right link

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m on record as being willing to kill drago as well

Holy shit.

Welcome Drago.

Hi, what's going on here? I'm not gonna read 35 pages.

@Nanook except he is not playing, what looks like scum for Drago?

Wait how is Nanook alive?

is this a derp attempt? o.o

“Except for the thing he’s doing that’s scummy, what is he doing that’s scummy?”

Maybe I misworded, but I don't like how Nanook is mocking me instead answering.
He is not showing he is pissed by an idiotic question, showing a towny displeasure for my lack of attention, he just noted how bad am I at expressing my ideas in english.
How convinced is everyone that Nanook came back in green slot?

I'm being sarcastic. Drago hasn't done anything overtly scummy, the lack of him doing anything at all is what makes him scummy imo.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It's not about your english, it's about the question being silly.

Asking me if someone is scummy outside of the behavior I've identified as being scummy is just...it's like asking "if you didn't like peanut butter, would you still think peanut butter tasted good?"

It's silly *shrug*

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm not generally enough of a dick as either alignment to mock someone's english

[Master Radishes]

I wasn’t really following along the argument against Colin yesterday as I was busy doing my own ISOs. So I’m taking a look now.

ColinIsCool
Colin was quiet most of D1. His most notable post was agreeing with Epi that Juliets was sketchy. He also gave a thinking-face-emoji to one of Michelle’s posts.

During N1, he gave a few more reads. Nothing much. He stuck to his Michelle and Juliet scum leans and didn’t expand on that, except to give me a passing ‘bad vibes’ mention too. Could be seen as stale reads and some opportunistic groundwork-laying for my vote. Not enough so to properly ping me, though.

As heat picks up, he dismisses it by saying he always plays carelessly and that he’s bad at mafia. This continues later too, suggesting people are pushing his mislynch. That’s his main defence, which isn’t a great one, but also fits with what I remember of Colin from Inception, where he faced the same thing and I do think the mafia took the opportunity to kick him down a level.

He votes Tony based on Dizzy’s point about Tony voting off-wagon. Fair enough. A bit odd, considering all the other meaty things, but still an okay reason IMO.

I mean…there’s not much more to engage with here. He argues a bit with some of his accusers, stands by his reads on Tony and juliets, insists people always mislynch him, etc.

Posts like this and this (last line mainly) are a bit bleh, and I can see scum writing them. But posts like this and this do show he’s thinking things through; there’s a level of insight, even in those short posts, that I don’t think a mafia goes to if defending himself.

Basically, if I read Colin assuming scum, yeah, I can see it. But if I read him assuming a townie who’s quiet, keeping up, but only commenting on things he particularly vibes with…yeah, I can see that too. And considering my limited knowledge of his meta, I do believe that he's often mislynch bait.


Leaning town on Colin.

[Master Radishes]

How convinced is everyone that Nanook came back in green slot?

I'm letting this sit in the back of my mind. I do feel Nook's playing a bit differently, but there could be a few reasons for that. Also, despite this being my third game with him, we've not played more than, I think, 3 or 4 rounds together due to our various demises.

[Master Radishes]

I kind of wanted to do ISOs of Sabie, Dom, and Mac for their votes on nutella, but I also kind of wanted to spend my weekend with my wife.

I also think one of my perpetual cling-ons, e.g. Sloonei, Dizzy, SVS, are likely scum riding the wave of anti-Radishism this game, knowing they won't get blowback for it and/or thinking I'm on scum team B. But looking there is lower priority at the moment.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Of course I'm playing differently, I'm not planning to explode at the end of the day lol

[Michelle]

Nanook my last question was for everyone so including you, and I spoilered the post to can be noticed. Please answer.

Spoiler: show

I’m on record as being willing to kill drago as well

Holy shit.

Welcome Drago.

Hi, what's going on here? I'm not gonna read 35 pages.

@Nanook except he is not playing, what looks like scum for Drago?

Wait how is Nanook alive?

is this a derp attempt? o.o

“Except for the thing he’s doing that’s scummy, what is he doing that’s scummy?”

Maybe I misworded, but I don't like how Nanook is mocking me instead answering.
He is not showing he is pissed by an idiotic question, showing a towny displeasure for my lack of attention, he just noted how bad am I at expressing my ideas in english.

looking forward for an answer.
How convinced is everyone that Nanook came back in green slot?

[Michelle]

How convinced is everyone that Nanook came back in green slot?

I'm letting this sit in the back of my mind. I do feel Nook's playing a bit differently, but there could be a few reasons for that. Also, despite this being my third game with him, we've not played more than, I think, 3 or 4 rounds together due to our various demises.

I understand. Thanks for answering

[Master Radishes]

Of course I'm playing differently, I'm not planning to explode at the end of the day lol

Funny how that sort of thing changes a person.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I responded to that already, yeah?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Of course I'm playing differently, I'm not planning to explode at the end of the day lol

Funny how that sort of thing changes a person.

I feel like Mickey Mantle--if I'd known I was going to be alive this long, I would've taken better care of myself

[juliets]

Good morning everyone.

I'm caught up and have to say Mac made me burst out laughing. He hasn't displayed the behavior I was looking for to be certain that he's scum so at this moment neither he nor Radish strike me as good candidates for a lynch today. Further, he now has me antsy about Jack. I don't need to be reminded how easily I can be taken in by Jack. And finally, I know he said he's not pushing Drago but wth is going on with Drago anyway. He's a complete non-entity.

This morning I'm going to take a look at Sloonei and see if I can indentify why I have had trouble seeing him as town. I see nutella has been having some similar feelings about him so I'm not alone. Then unless something else has come up I'll look at Tony. He hasn't responded to my response to his voting me but maybe he hasn't been online since then.

To [mention]Michelle[/mention]: I'm not positive about Nanook's greeness but I don't suspect him at this time (note I haven't looked at his ISO I'm just going by his tone since he's returned).

[mention]Master Radishes[/mention] spend time with your wife.

[tedxtr]

Hold on. If Mac flips wolf, Ted may have just outed himself as his teammate.

In Inception his posts stuck out like a sore thumb and he was forcing interactions with his scum buds that were honestly the closest thing to open wolfing ever since day one.

In here he just posted his thoughts and didn’t force anything. His questions in Inception also sucked and he had a general agenda of looking townie, whereas in here he does seem to go at his own pace.

'His posts stuck out...' - yeah, for you reading in retrospect, sure. If they were that obvious, why didn't he get lynched right away?

And also, context is necessary. Inception was a game Mac had invited a lot of his new Champs friends to, and he presumably had more time to play. I'm not at all surprised he's playing differently here regardless of alignment.

I honestly think you’re town and the push on you kind of makes me suspicious of the people on you.

G-Man has been a point of contention ever since day one, so has Radishes. Some people have expressed their reasoning for scum reading G-Man and yet nobody’s really pushing it, and the fact you’re being pushed over him, especially when people are claiming he ain’t done anything makes me sick to my stomach.

Lynch people that are scum.

Also, the case sig presented (which seems like the main reason people are voting you) is easily refutable by you asking in one of your posts “yo sig why are you voting me?” If you were Saitama you’d have known you silenced him so that question makes no sense. I am honestly surprised nobody pointed this out.

Especially going as far as to mention him, which meets a level of expectation of “why hasn’t he tried to engage with me / talk to me” which he couldn’t have done in one post before reaching a scum read on you. First ask questions, then reach a conclusion, and you having that thought is the closest thing to an easy derp clear like sig did on Day 1.

First, the tone seems too confident about Mac being town.

Secondly, why push G-Man as your counter example instead of me? I've been far more bandied about as a lynch. I actually don't know that this is scummy, but it's odd.

Third, you think Mac trying to engage with Sig refutes him being Saitama? I guess no one has ever lied in a game of Mafia before.


Honestly, this defence feels a bit straw-graspy and is also quite confident about Mac's 'town' alignment, and I question whether a townie would write it.

First, I think you’re putting a lot more stock into how I’m reading you when my suspicion was more of a “he’s not doing anything and has shit tone so i’m fine voting there” which feels rather weird. You even mentioned how my vote on you would express towards that, even though it’s not in these exact words, but this is essentially what you were doing as well. I wasn’t really scum reading you heavily because I had nothing to go based off of. I do have for G-Man. You started posting a lot more of your analysis, which was what my initial vote was based on, you not doing anything. I think this angle that you’ve taken is really opportunistic because I don’t remember saying anything about your slot other than placing a vote on you or calling you scum for not doing anything. This dichotomy is weird, do you feel like I should be voting you right here or? I don’t get it. It seems like disingenous posturing, you mentioned I was looking elsewhere while voting you, so I wasn’t really scum reading you, and i clearly stated reasons for scum reading G-Man and pushing him.

Secondly, yes, I think that posting is real and it doesn’t even matter if he’s Saitama or not, my point was I expect mafia members to know of each other’s actions so that just spews him not scum.

Going back to my point about G-Man, you’ve been constantly poked and when you started doing shit, people kind of either left you or voted you anyway, which probably means you’re town, whereas G-Man has been poked, he’s on people’s scum lists, people have actual reasoning to vote there and yet he’s constantly being avoided. People comment on how bad he looks and never hard push him. But people do push you though.

I mean, Mac’s play just reminds me of All My Circuits really, and me having an obvious scum read on him reading Inception and seeing how easy he is to be caught as scum, of course I’m going to lean the opposite because I can’t find anything scum about him in this game, so what’s your point?