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[juliets]

Hopefully there's only one mafia left, which kinda makes your ability useless Jules. :P

You're right. I didn't think about that but hopefully that is true.

[juliets]

I'm Joe Diffie, may he rest in peace.

If I get nightkilled by the mafia I get to post as a stump for the next day, but only in country music lyrics.

This is believable to me. I would really like to see everyone else claim their character. It's not me and if it's not speedchuck, who is it?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m not really convinced claims matter tbh

[juliets]

I’m not really convinced claims matter tbh

I'm not convinced either but the mafia characters seem very different from the civ characters. I know the mafia can lie about their claim unless they got a safe claim but lies can undo you. I guess what I'm thinking is I don't see that it would hurt and it might help. Maybe I'm wrong though.

[speedchuck]

Locktown: DDL (Wilgy was here btw)
Probably just lose if they're scum: Tony, Nanook
Geez, I don't think these players are scum: Hyena, Speed
Boy howdy, I have more reasons to think she's town than not: Juliets

So literally nobody who isn't green. I'm just gonna finish my MP iso and then idk iso the bottom three looking for something awful sounding I missed live.

Linki: No. We're lynching the most suspicious player. We're not giving up a lynch to remechanically confirm me.

Why was wilgy lock town?

[speedchuck]

Also we are at a more confusing state in this game than we have been for two days and the thread just died.

Why?

If it's because everyone has a narrow POE or just figures they somehow know who the god-tier last scum is then please say so.

[juliets]

Yes, agree with speedchuck. Shouldn't we be interacting, discussing possibilities, etc.? If you have a narrow POE, discuss, compare, contrast, consider ISO's. A dead thread is a wolf's domain.

[Hyena]

Hi, I'm here!

[Hyena]

Nanook, have you claimed yet? I don't remember if you have or not.

[Hyena]

The two person POE seems ... fine? here. The final three would then probably be me, Nanook, Hyena.

This makes me want to lynch you or confirm you with my ability even more.

[Hyena]

The two person POE seems ... fine? here. The final three would then probably be me, Nanook, Hyena.

This makes me want to lynch you or confirm you with my ability even more.

I will say though if I do end up in this final three, I'm probably always voting for Nanook. :P

[juliets]

Hi [mention]Hyena[/mention]! I'm interested in what you are thinking today.

[Hyena]

Hi @Hyena! I'm interested in what you are thinking today.

I'm frustrated. People agree that we're in a confusing game state and that everybody looks town. I have a way to mechanically hard clear not one, but TWO people right now (Jack and Tony), yet no one wants to go that route. If no one wants to go that route, then why aren't you guys just clearing them as lock town then?

[Hyena]

Also, at the moment, Jack has me in the bottom three of his PoE, which suggests that I could be lynched at some point in the game. If this is the case, it's EV+ to make this lynch on me now while my ability is still useful.

I'm just tired of hearing people saying everyone looks towny but not clearing anyone, especially when I can clear people right now.

[juliets]

I'm personally believing speed's claim because he gave hints of it a long time ago before we knew anything about the roles. So, I'm trying to see where I might have erred digging into the others. I haven't looked at Nanook yet because I've read him as town the whole game but maybe I should do so.

linki [mention]Hyena[/mention] at this point I think if we can hard clear people we should but the big downside of that is we lose you and I'm as positive as I can be that you're town.

[juliets]

Oh somehow I didn't realize you were in the bottom of his POE.

[Hyena]

And then I'm worried that maybe I've been wrong all along and that we actually have two more mafia in play, in which case, we only have one more mislynch before LYLO.

[speedchuck]

Hi Hyena! I'm interested in what you are thinking today.

I'm frustrated. People agree that we're in a confusing game state and that everybody looks town. I have a way to mechanically hard clear not one, but TWO people right now (Jack and Tony), yet no one wants to go that route. If no one wants to go that route, then why aren't you guys just clearing them as lock town then?

One of them is basically lock town, and that's Jack. If we want to confirm tony, we'll just lynch him. Same cost, but we won't waste a day lynching you that way.

I don't think anyone seriously suspects Jack. If we should, I'm all ears.

[Hyena]

Hi Hyena! I'm interested in what you are thinking today.

I'm frustrated. People agree that we're in a confusing game state and that everybody looks town. I have a way to mechanically hard clear not one, but TWO people right now (Jack and Tony), yet no one wants to go that route. If no one wants to go that route, then why aren't you guys just clearing them as lock town then?

One of them is basically lock town, and that's Jack. If we want to confirm tony, we'll just lynch him. Same cost, but we won't waste a day lynching you that way.

I don't think anyone seriously suspects Jack. If we should, I'm all ears.

Why didn't Jack die last night? If he survives another night, are we going to continue to let him live?

[Hyena]

I'm personally believing speed's claim because he gave hints of it a long time ago before we knew anything about the roles. So, I'm trying to see where I might have erred digging into the others. I haven't looked at Nanook yet because I've read him as town the whole game but maybe I should do so.

linki @Hyena at this point I think if we can hard clear people we should but the big downside of that is we lose you and I'm as positive as I can be that you're town.

I'm not even evaluating Speed's claim, because I feel like he's been clear town since D1. I haven't liked any of the pushes he's received from Nanook, which is just one reason why I can't get my head around to townreading him.

[speedchuck]

Hi Hyena! I'm interested in what you are thinking today.

I'm frustrated. People agree that we're in a confusing game state and that everybody looks town. I have a way to mechanically hard clear not one, but TWO people right now (Jack and Tony), yet no one wants to go that route. If no one wants to go that route, then why aren't you guys just clearing them as lock town then?

One of them is basically lock town, and that's Jack. If we want to confirm tony, we'll just lynch him. Same cost, but we won't waste a day lynching you that way.

I don't think anyone seriously suspects Jack. If we should, I'm all ears.

Why didn't Jack die last night? If he survives another night, are we going to continue to let him live?

I don't know. Wilgy dying makes no sense even without Jack here.

And probably? He literally just killed MP for no reason, in addition to his claim.

[speedchuck]

It’d be hilarious if I voted Juliets but I kinda think it’s Nanook and MP.

Or Juliets and Nanook or MP.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] Speak to this 'Nanook and MP' thing. I've not seen any indication in your posts as to why nanook would be here.

Ignore that nanook participated in the MP lynch for a moment. What did you mean here?

[Hyena]

Nanook, your push on Poison D1 reminds me of the votes you made on our partners abraker and Juri in Champs where you made them early enough in the day that they'd likely get deflated by the time EoD rolled around.

(for reference: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost3283034 )

[juliets]

In my tinfoil brain I told Jack I wondered if he and MR had cooked up MR claiming his ability to town clear them both. I just don't see why MR claimed his ability otherwise. Had he not been vigged we would have thought that the mafia would kill him at night because of his power so when he didn't die night after night wouldn't we have suspected him? It's possible I just missed some important cog in the wheel that made the whole thing make sense. Like I said, it's tinfoil.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hi @Hyena! I'm interested in what you are thinking today.

I'm frustrated. People agree that we're in a confusing game state and that everybody looks town. I have a way to mechanically hard clear not one, but TWO people right now (Jack and Tony), yet no one wants to go that route. If no one wants to go that route, then why aren't you guys just clearing them as lock town then?

Lol what if I am?

[Jackofhearts2005]

And then I'm worried that maybe I've been wrong all along and that we actually have two more mafia in play, in which case, we only have one more mislynch before LYLO.

We’re not in a two scum world or else scum could basically negate all the votes yesterday.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hi Hyena! I'm interested in what you are thinking today.

I'm frustrated. People agree that we're in a confusing game state and that everybody looks town. I have a way to mechanically hard clear not one, but TWO people right now (Jack and Tony), yet no one wants to go that route. If no one wants to go that route, then why aren't you guys just clearing them as lock town then?

One of them is basically lock town, and that's Jack. If we want to confirm tony, we'll just lynch him. Same cost, but we won't waste a day lynching you that way.

I don't think anyone seriously suspects Jack. If we should, I'm all ears.

Why didn't Jack die last night? If he survives another night, are we going to continue to let him live?

Dunno.

And yuuuuuup.

[Hyena]

And then I'm worried that maybe I've been wrong all along and that we actually have two more mafia in play, in which case, we only have one more mislynch before LYLO.

We’re not in a two scum world or else scum could basically negate all the votes yesterday.

... This is a good point actually. Okay, I feel a little better now already.

[Jackofhearts2005]

It’d be hilarious if I voted Juliets but I kinda think it’s Nanook and MP.

Or Juliets and Nanook or MP.

Jack Speak to this 'Nanook and MP' thing. I've not seen any indication in your posts as to why nanook would be here.

Ignore that nanook participated in the MP lynch for a moment. What did you mean here?

Idk. There’s been some gut feelings all around that Nanook could be bad. Nanook was outside of MP’s POE. Iirc, Nanook had MP gth town. Nanook has been defending Juliets and going after you. He’s also very eager to get cred for MP’s lynch. He called attention to his earlier suggestion to lynch absent players and said something like “in before Jack says I didn’t cause MP to be lynched.”

That all said, he’s felt really town today. DDL really trusts him and I really trust DDL.

[Jackofhearts2005]

In my tinfoil brain I told Jack I wondered if he and MR had cooked up MR claiming his ability to town clear them both. I just don't see why MR claimed his ability otherwise. Had he not been vigged we would have thought that the mafia would kill him at night because of his power so when he didn't die night after night wouldn't we have suspected him? It's possible I just missed some important cog in the wheel that made the whole thing make sense. Like I said, it's tinfoil.

I hate to encourage this kinda thing but there are two worlds here.

Juliets the townie is legit surprised at my continued existence, especially with Inception in mind.

Juliets the wolf who is near universally suspected is trying to plant seeds of doubt on Jack who happens to be a universal townread, near mechanically confirmed and unlynchable on days of the week that end with a y. I can’t see scum Juliets thinking she pulls that off very often. If she’s bad, she needs three mislynches. Maybe she doesn’t shoot me if she thinks I’m pocketed and tries to mislynch me in lylo. I just don’t feel like she think antagonizing one of her strongest supporters to make him look a little worse when leaving me alive again twice will do a lot more without letting any blame call on her.

Is that silly? I feel like this is a town Juliets.

[speedchuck]

It’d be hilarious if I voted Juliets but I kinda think it’s Nanook and MP.

Or Juliets and Nanook or MP.

Jack Speak to this 'Nanook and MP' thing. I've not seen any indication in your posts as to why nanook would be here.

Ignore that nanook participated in the MP lynch for a moment. What did you mean here?

Idk. There’s been some gut feelings all around that Nanook could be bad. Nanook was outside of MP’s POE. Iirc, Nanook had MP gth town. Nanook has been defending Juliets and going after you. He’s also very eager to get cred for MP’s lynch. He called attention to his earlier suggestion to lynch absent players and said something like “in before Jack says I didn’t cause MP to be lynched.”

That all said, he’s felt really town today. DDL really trusts him and I really trust DDL.

I'm surprised you said he felt town today. All he's done is piss on questions people are asking, saying it's unproductive.

And yeah, DDL has chat info about the way nanook turned on MP at the end. That would have to be a bus.

I'm just trying to get some idea of where you guys are going to go once you lynch me and Juliets, assuming she doesn't end it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

In my tinfoil brain I told Jack I wondered if he and MR had cooked up MR claiming his ability to town clear them both. I just don't see why MR claimed his ability otherwise. Had he not been vigged we would have thought that the mafia would kill him at night because of his power so when he didn't die night after night wouldn't we have suspected him? It's possible I just missed some important cog in the wheel that made the whole thing make sense. Like I said, it's tinfoil.

I hate to encourage this kinda thing but there are two worlds here.

Juliets the townie is legit surprised at my continued existence, especially with Inception in mind.

Juliets the wolf who is near universally suspected is trying to plant seeds of doubt on Jack who happens to be a universal townread, near mechanically confirmed and unlynchable on days of the week that end with a y. I can’t see scum Juliets thinking she pulls that off very often. If she’s bad, she needs three mislynches. Maybe she doesn’t shoot me if she thinks I’m pocketed and tries to mislynch me in lylo. I just don’t feel like she thinks antagonizing one of her strongest supporters to make him look a little worse is a good idea when there are easier mislynches and when leaving me alive again twice will do a lot more to make me look bad without letting any blame fall on her.

Is that silly? I feel like this is a town Juliets.

EBWOP

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook, have you claimed yet? I don't remember if you have or not.

Nope

[speedchuck]

Because SOMEONE is hard-bussing in this game, somewhere.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Let’s play GTH again.

[speedchuck]

I don't even know how GTH is going to work right now.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook, your push on Poison D1 reminds me of the votes you made on our partners abraker and Juri in Champs where you made them early enough in the day that they'd likely get deflated by the time EoD rolled around.

(for reference: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost3283034 )

I also just murderered the fuck out of that slot yesterday, so. I guess that’s not convenient for you tho.

[speedchuck]

Nanook, your push on Poison D1 reminds me of the votes you made on our partners abraker and Juri in Champs where you made them early enough in the day that they'd likely get deflated by the time EoD rolled around.

(for reference: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost3283034 )

I also just murderered the fuck out of that slot yesterday, so. I guess that’s not convenient for you tho.

Ooh, is this a suspicion of Hyena?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It’d be hilarious if I voted Juliets but I kinda think it’s Nanook and MP.

Or Juliets and Nanook or MP.

Jack Speak to this 'Nanook and MP' thing. I've not seen any indication in your posts as to why nanook would be here.

Ignore that nanook participated in the MP lynch for a moment. What did you mean here?

Idk. There’s been some gut feelings all around that Nanook could be bad. Nanook was outside of MP’s POE. Iirc, Nanook had MP gth town. Nanook has been defending Juliets and going after you. He’s also very eager to get cred for MP’s lynch. He called attention to his earlier suggestion to lynch absent players and said something like “in before Jack says I didn’t cause MP to be lynched.”

That all said, he’s felt really town today. DDL really trusts him and I really trust DDL.

I didn’t do GTH, but I wouldn’t have had him town, lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook, your push on Poison D1 reminds me of the votes you made on our partners abraker and Juri in Champs where you made them early enough in the day that they'd likely get deflated by the time EoD rolled around.

(for reference: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost3283034 )

I also just murderered the fuck out of that slot yesterday, so. I guess that’s not convenient for you tho.

Ooh, is this a suspicion of Hyena?

It’s a comment on his tunnel, not his alignment. Hyena remains second tier of interest for me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Updated chart for Wilgy and Tony's GTH reads:

Juliets, Wilgy and Tony are all town. I’m 98% sure of it.

Hmmm okay nm. Nanook never did the gth.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It’d be hilarious if I voted Juliets but I kinda think it’s Nanook and MP.

Or Juliets and Nanook or MP.

Jack Speak to this 'Nanook and MP' thing. I've not seen any indication in your posts as to why nanook would be here.

Ignore that nanook participated in the MP lynch for a moment. What did you mean here?

Idk. There’s been some gut feelings all around that Nanook could be bad. Nanook was outside of MP’s POE. Iirc, Nanook had MP gth town. Nanook has been defending Juliets and going after you. He’s also very eager to get cred for MP’s lynch. He called attention to his earlier suggestion to lynch absent players and said something like “in before Jack says I didn’t cause MP to be lynched.”

That all said, he’s felt really town today. DDL really trusts him and I really trust DDL.

I'm surprised you said he felt town today. All he's done is piss on questions people are asking, saying it's unproductive.

And yeah, DDL has chat info about the way nanook turned on MP at the end. That would have to be a bus.

I'm just trying to get some idea of where you guys are going to go once you lynch me and Juliets, assuming she doesn't end it.

Were the questions productive? If they were, defend them as such. If they weren’t, I have the right to piss on them.

[speedchuck]

It’d be hilarious if I voted Juliets but I kinda think it’s Nanook and MP.

Or Juliets and Nanook or MP.

Jack Speak to this 'Nanook and MP' thing. I've not seen any indication in your posts as to why nanook would be here.

Ignore that nanook participated in the MP lynch for a moment. What did you mean here?

Idk. There’s been some gut feelings all around that Nanook could be bad. Nanook was outside of MP’s POE. Iirc, Nanook had MP gth town. Nanook has been defending Juliets and going after you. He’s also very eager to get cred for MP’s lynch. He called attention to his earlier suggestion to lynch absent players and said something like “in before Jack says I didn’t cause MP to be lynched.”

That all said, he’s felt really town today. DDL really trusts him and I really trust DDL.

I'm surprised you said he felt town today. All he's done is piss on questions people are asking, saying it's unproductive.

And yeah, DDL has chat info about the way nanook turned on MP at the end. That would have to be a bus.

I'm just trying to get some idea of where you guys are going to go once you lynch me and Juliets, assuming she doesn't end it.

Were the questions productive? If they were, defend them as such. If they weren’t, I have the right to piss on them.

Claims? Checking to see if Jack was roleblocked? More information is never bad.

Stifling discussion is almost always bad.

[speedchuck]

Nanook, your push on Poison D1 reminds me of the votes you made on our partners abraker and Juri in Champs where you made them early enough in the day that they'd likely get deflated by the time EoD rolled around.

(for reference: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost3283034 )

I also just murderered the fuck out of that slot yesterday, so. I guess that’s not convenient for you tho.

Ooh, is this a suspicion of Hyena?

It’s a comment on his tunnel, not his alignment. Hyena remains second tier of interest for me.

Every 'scumread' in this game has inconveniences. Because whoever the last scum is has played well.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] let’s say you magically got to decide the lynch order but you had to do it right now.

Go.

[speedchuck]

@speedchuck let’s say you magically got to decide the lynch order but you had to do it right now.

Go.

Juliets, Nanook, Tony.

[speedchuck]

For the record that didn't take me 3 minutes. I had another tab open.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@speedchuck let’s say you magically got to decide the lynch order but you had to do it right now.

Go.

Juliets, Nanook, Tony.

Sell me on scum Juliets.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Tbh I don’t know how to process hyena right now. Him pushing me feels like an attempt to widen the POE, but idk how that jives with him also saying chuck is clear.

(It took me like 40 minutes to find a charger to post this, jfc. I’ll be back tonight. Will catch up then.)

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It’d be hilarious if I voted Juliets but I kinda think it’s Nanook and MP.

Or Juliets and Nanook or MP.

Jack Speak to this 'Nanook and MP' thing. I've not seen any indication in your posts as to why nanook would be here.

Ignore that nanook participated in the MP lynch for a moment. What did you mean here?

Idk. There’s been some gut feelings all around that Nanook could be bad. Nanook was outside of MP’s POE. Iirc, Nanook had MP gth town. Nanook has been defending Juliets and going after you. He’s also very eager to get cred for MP’s lynch. He called attention to his earlier suggestion to lynch absent players and said something like “in before Jack says I didn’t cause MP to be lynched.”

That all said, he’s felt really town today. DDL really trusts him and I really trust DDL.

I'm surprised you said he felt town today. All he's done is piss on questions people are asking, saying it's unproductive.

And yeah, DDL has chat info about the way nanook turned on MP at the end. That would have to be a bus.

I'm just trying to get some idea of where you guys are going to go once you lynch me and Juliets, assuming she doesn't end it.

Were the questions productive? If they were, defend them as such. If they weren’t, I have the right to piss on them.

Claims? Checking to see if Jack was roleblocked? More information is never bad.

Stifling discussion is almost always bad.

I’d disagree, but then you’d SR me again for playing differently than you.