Space Invaders [END]

[nutella]

i'm so tired of reading all yall's posts they just make my eyes glaze over

just find me another alien k

[Epignosis]

Final thoughts anyone? I'm hoping this isnt a DADV scenario but since he appears to have given up I'm feeling okay about it

What is DADV?

Don't google it.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

i'm so tired of reading all yall's posts they just make my eyes glaze over

just find me another alien k

Sorry

Sabie or failing that probably Alison imo

Apparently carot is widely scumread tho and that’s worked well so far so idk

[Carotenoid]

I'm not widely scumread lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm not widely scumread lol

Maybe it’s just the people that are around when I am that scumread you, idk

[Epignosis]

what if i protect myself tonight?

never protect yourself at night.

There is 1 KP, which is unlikely to go onto Nutella.

if you save YOURSELF, you spend 1 bunker shot, with a maximum result of saving your 3 remaining bunkershots.

Staying alive with no bunkershots have no value to town. Your only value to town is in your bunker shots.

There are 10 bunkers remaining for Aliens to shoot into.

You need to correct 1 in 10 times for your save to be +EV. You onyl get a 3 to 1 reward ratio. Its -EV to save yourself.

Multiple this by other bunkers trying to save themselves, its massively beneficial for aliens if all bunkers save themselves in the night. It gets them closer to auto by being able to kill Nutella because bunkers dont have saves anymore.

This is why Nanook is saying please dont save anyone other than Nutella. I feel this argument drops off as we get to fewer and fewer players and not exactly sure when, but at thios game state I am like 99% sure saving anyone except nutella is bad.

You made a huge case during Night 1 to keep Hally from self-protecting.

Every failed kill is a failed kill against the civilian faction.

I want to find this post...here we are:

Epi immeadiately locking in a save for Nutella at the start of N1 when we had done math on 3 rng saves is extremely scummy. It just makes it likely for people to waste bunker saves since we cannot use their save in the rng for the results to work out. I will say that hitting an alien in the first day makes the math much more favourable to town since its now 3/13 x 2/12 x 1/11 for us to rng 3 aliens exactly which is 6/1,716 which is 0.35%. We still cant use Epi's save to get this outcome because they self selected. Epi knows this which is why its was extremely scummy to lock in a save before Nutella nominated the savers. People wanting to apply more than 3 saves I think are aliens, since it wastes bunker shots, but maybe they hadnt done the math. The math has been done above for you. There are 13 non Nutella players left. There is one combo of hitting all three aliens back to back. Thats 0.35%. If people still want to push for a night protection scheme that uses any more than 3 saves in Nutella, (such as bottom 3 POE plus one for example), I just think you are really really bad at math. We already have to use 4 since Epi locked in a save.

Which the fuck is it? Do I save nutella or do I not, professor?

You just told Hally, your biggest "townread" to refrain from refusing to die. Presumably Hally had four protections. By dying, Hally has zero.

Now how many protections are left with Hally dead?

If Hally had self-protected, how many would be left?

You feel like you are taking crazy pills because you refuse to engage with mechanics.

I mathed why its base to save non nutella people with this many players remaning.

Engage with it. Find holes. Discuss them. Change my mind.

Why does trying to save someone RESULT in a save?

When Hally died, there were 13 players (I think - 15 minus Soneji minus Nutella) a save could have gone onto. You dont gain 13 bunkersaves if you land a save. You gain 2.6.

I worked out the EV of trying to save someone who isnt Nutella is -EV.

Nobody died last Night.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It’s still not officially “listen to Nanook’s reads” day yet tho so

[Epignosis]

After having looked at it again, that stuff is rather meh Tbh a lot of Epi's reads in this game have been him arriving to firm conclusions off pretty random things. Quite a few times he's taken a firm stance on someone and my immediate response was "really guy"? His response post flip was a bit weird too. He's well within his mafia range.

This. This right here.

This is the smoking gun example of Epi arrving at a firm conclusion off pretty random things.

You'll see a smoking gun all right.

Example of a typical no content post

I believe I have had a revelation about you.

[Epignosis]

We dont need to gamble.

Aw, mom.

[Epignosis]

There's no way I can in good conscience support the death of proto. I have changed my mind.

Something clicked (I won't say what), but it's enough for me to come around.

If nutella wants to shoot proto, whatever, but I'm looking elsewhere.

[Epignosis]

Moving back to Alison to see the poll.

[Carotenoid]

There's no way I can in good conscience support the death of proto. I have changed my mind.

Something clicked (I won't say what), but it's enough for me to come around.

If nutella wants to shoot proto, whatever, but I'm looking elsewhere.

This is so wholesome

[nutella]

Final thoughts anyone? I'm hoping this isnt a DADV scenario but since he appears to have given up I'm feeling okay about it

What is DADV?

Don't google it.

lmao

sorry

"dead air, dead villager"

basically when an elimination feels too consensus and nobody is fighting back, usually signifying that the scum are cool with it bc it's town

wasn't the case here!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

DADV pretty overrated imo

[Epignosis]

Page 42.

Need sleep.

Don't kill proto.

[nutella]

After having looked at it again, that stuff is rather meh Tbh a lot of Epi's reads in this game have been him arriving to firm conclusions off pretty random things. Quite a few times he's taken a firm stance on someone and my immediate response was "really guy"? His response post flip was a bit weird too. He's well within his mafia range.

This. This right here.

This is the smoking gun example of Epi arrving at a firm conclusion off pretty random things.

You'll see a smoking gun all right.

Example of a typical no content post

I believe I have had a revelation about you.

There's no way I can in good conscience support the death of proto. I have changed my mind.

Something clicked (I won't say what), but it's enough for me to come around.

If nutella wants to shoot proto, whatever, but I'm looking elsewhere.

Is it that he has no sense of humor cause I figured that one out a while ago

[Epignosis]

After having looked at it again, that stuff is rather meh Tbh a lot of Epi's reads in this game have been him arriving to firm conclusions off pretty random things. Quite a few times he's taken a firm stance on someone and my immediate response was "really guy"? His response post flip was a bit weird too. He's well within his mafia range.

This. This right here.

This is the smoking gun example of Epi arrving at a firm conclusion off pretty random things.

You'll see a smoking gun all right.

Example of a typical no content post

I believe I have had a revelation about you.

There's no way I can in good conscience support the death of proto. I have changed my mind.

Something clicked (I won't say what), but it's enough for me to come around.

If nutella wants to shoot proto, whatever, but I'm looking elsewhere.

Is it that he has no sense of humor cause I figured that one out a while ago

"No sense of humor" isn't how I would put it at all.

I am sure proto has a sense of humor. It just isn't the same as mine or yours.

Suffice it to say that I have a son named Simon and he thinks differently than I do.

[Epignosis]

Now I go to die for seven hours only to be resurrected unto coffee.

[nutella]

mm yes gotcha

[Carotenoid]

Actually I don't understand what's happening lol

But ok I guess

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm not sure that applies to Proto or not, I'm definitely not comfortable speculating one way or the other, but I'm gonna hard TR Epi for making that read.

[Carotenoid]

Alright I don't understand what's happening at all

Guess it's time for me to sleep

[MacDougall]

Ok blast Carot lmao

[protocultures]

A Peaceful Night (not really)

I normally start this type of write-up with "a peaceful night" but there's no way this night was peaceful.

No one died, but there was still a lot of "pew pew" flying from the sky to the Earth, and vice-versa. Aliens shot. Humans hid in bunkers. Cities got destroyed. Human aircrafts tried to attack aliens to no avail. Meanwhile, the laser gun recharged.

So, with no further ado...

No one died.

Day 3 Begins

Not sure how to read this.

Is this the mod confirming that aliens DID shoot in the night? I asked whether the aliens can no shoot at night and dont remember a response.

[protocultures]

Hoping that aliens double stacked on nutes to bury KP cause people wasting bunker saves is honestly bad

Sighs

Alright well might as well claim protects last nights, I think it’s bad but whatever I’m clearly not winning mechanics arguments this game for some reason

Thinking that aliens might have tried to kill Nutella. Not unreasonable, depends whether the 4 nominated people confirmed their saves in the thread. If they did not, or aliens know 2 towns did not they might have tried it. Im too lazy to check through the thread to see who confirmed their save onto Nutella. There is a timing issue and people have lives outside the game. Its possible Nutella requested saves and the person didnt see it in time.

I think we should be claiming protects from last night. I dont want to say why yet. Someone can ping me out later and ask the why after I get responses. Hopefully I get responses.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

A Peaceful Night (not really)

I normally start this type of write-up with "a peaceful night" but there's no way this night was peaceful.

No one died, but there was still a lot of "pew pew" flying from the sky to the Earth, and vice-versa. Aliens shot. Humans hid in bunkers. Cities got destroyed. Human aircrafts tried to attack aliens to no avail. Meanwhile, the laser gun recharged.

So, with no further ado...

No one died.

Day 3 Begins

Not sure how to read this.

Is this the mod confirming that aliens DID shoot in the night? I asked whether the aliens can no shoot at night and dont remember a response.

Irrelevant, holstering and putting the KP on nutella are functionally the same if aliens want nobody to die.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hoping that aliens double stacked on nutes to bury KP cause people wasting bunker saves is honestly bad

Sighs

Alright well might as well claim protects last nights, I think it’s bad but whatever I’m clearly not winning mechanics arguments this game for some reason

Thinking that aliens might have tried to kill Nutella. Not unreasonable, depends whether the 4 nominated people confirmed their saves in the thread. If they did not, or aliens know 2 towns did not they might have tried it. Im too lazy to check through the thread to see who confirmed their save onto Nutella. There is a timing issue and people have lives outside the game. Its possible Nutella requested saves and the person didnt see it in time.

I think we should be claiming protects from last night. I dont want to say why yet. Someone can ping me out later and ask the why after I get responses. Hopefully I get responses.

Yeah I’ve already called for them, off top of my head me and carot and Alison claim no protect, I *think* has too but not 100% sure, don’t remember if anyone else has claimed yet or not

[protocultures]

Hoping that aliens double stacked on nutes to bury KP cause people wasting bunker saves is honestly bad

Sighs

Alright well might as well claim protects last nights, I think it’s bad but whatever I’m clearly not winning mechanics arguments this game for some reason

hmmmm... if they were paying attention they'd have known that I assigned four people to me (even if both wolves were in that group I'd be guaranteed to survive)

so either the wolves weren't paying attention and wasted a shot, or somebody successfully saved somebody else.


either way that's cool

Naw, there’s a third option but I don’t wanna talk about it at the moment

No idea what you talking about here. share your galaxy brain.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

*should say I think Tony has lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hoping that aliens double stacked on nutes to bury KP cause people wasting bunker saves is honestly bad

Sighs

Alright well might as well claim protects last nights, I think it’s bad but whatever I’m clearly not winning mechanics arguments this game for some reason

hmmmm... if they were paying attention they'd have known that I assigned four people to me (even if both wolves were in that group I'd be guaranteed to survive)

so either the wolves weren't paying attention and wasted a shot, or somebody successfully saved somebody else.


either way that's cool

Naw, there’s a third option but I don’t wanna talk about it at the moment

No idea what you talking about here. share your galaxy brain.

We’re not talking about it yet lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m going to try to sleep now, someone should probably put the claims in a list and I’d like that someone to preferably not be me, lulz

Ping me with questions comments or concerns

[protocultures]

There is technically a fourth option, that both aliens are in the middle area between townread and POE and need to keep that grouping as large as possible so they buried both KP, but like....I don’t think that’s a super likely thing to happen cause even if both aliens were in that grouping, I’m not sure how many if any of the people in this game even think in those terms/would sacrifice both KP. So yeah, technically a possibility, I’m kinda tossing it out of consideration for now tho.

this isnt a fourth option. its the same as trying to kill Nutella, but with a different intent.

I dont think aliens do this unless they are bad at mechanics. It just gives a higher proportion of kills to Nutella vs Alien KP.

It also doesnt give them any chance to take out bunker saves which is to their wincon.

You arent pushing it as likely, but imo its like... really unlikely.

[protocultures]

You see as in...you acknowledge what I’m saying...or as in you see a potential third option? Don’t talk about what the option is if you see it tho lol

I think I know! But I can't say it to know if it's the same one you know.

I wanna be in fight club too. talk about it. Is there a time later in this phase when you can talk about it?

[protocultures]

There is technically a fourth option, that both aliens are in the middle area between townread and POE and need to keep that grouping as large as possible so they buried both KP, but like....I don’t think that’s a super likely thing to happen cause even if both aliens were in that grouping, I’m not sure how many if any of the people in this game even think in those terms/would sacrifice both KP. So yeah, technically a possibility, I’m kinda tossing it out of consideration for now tho.

I would not be likely to intentionally forego two kills. Maybe if our most townread people were really sadistic and just want to see us kill ourselves.

Hadnt considered the sadism aspect. Maybe its not as unlikely as I thought.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You see as in...you acknowledge what I’m saying...or as in you see a potential third option? Don’t talk about what the option is if you see it tho lol

I think I know! But I can't say it to know if it's the same one you know.

I wanna be in fight club too. talk about it. Is there a time later in this phase when you can talk about it?

Yeah, second half of day or night phase probably

Depends on people claiming tho

[protocultures]

It's not a problem if you keep shooting aliens
Where's your head at nutella?

So a random thought popped into my head. Not really worked out fully, literally just spitballing.

Is it beneficial for town to know what Nutella's POE looks like?

I can see it being beneficial for aliens, potentially.

I am all for Nutella proding specific people to respond to things or be told to act more towny though.

Not scumreading Carotenoid for this though, but only because I townread them already.

[protocultures]

Everyone should probably be claiming a protect or no protect from last night btw. Don’t think we can break this but we can at least make our lives a little easier potentially.

I obviously protected nobody.

I protected Nutella as requested on N2. I have 3 bunker saves left.

[protocultures]

Hoping that aliens double stacked on nutes to bury KP cause people wasting bunker saves is honestly bad

Sighs

Alright well might as well claim protects last nights, I think it’s bad but whatever I’m clearly not winning mechanics arguments this game for some reason

hmmmm... if they were paying attention they'd have known that I assigned four people to me (even if both wolves were in that group I'd be guaranteed to survive)

so either the wolves weren't paying attention and wasted a shot, or somebody successfully saved somebody else.


either way that's cool

wolves assume tsp goes for some fancy play if they have two in the four tbh

interesting take. I would not think you likely for FPS (fancy play syndrome) when you are allocated to protect Nutella.

Have you played with a lot of people in here? I assume the people with similar high post counts.

Obviously you think they think you have FPS in your range.

Can others confirm Tony's meta includes FPS?

[protocultures]

alternatively we have two really well positioned aliens who have the ability to wait out the town but frankly that's a loss already

2 well positioned aliens can blast bottom of POE who are unlikely to get saved. Unless its your sadism theory.

[protocultures]

Like if it's something like Proto/Mac, maybe they can do whatever the heck they want

If I were an alien, I would be blasting bottom of POE. Just putting that out there.

interesting potential pairing for me, I think (assuming you are town for this example), you should find other people with higher equity to be my alien partner than Mac.

[protocultures]

Mafia don’t automatically win at parity and you don’t get a derpclear

IME, being really aggressive about shutting down people's derpclear attempts usually comes from town.

I think we have different views as to what is aggressive.

Either way, I will try to be less aggressive - somehow.

Just an FYI to everyone in the game. To me, the game is the game and outside the game is outside the game.

If I argue with you in a game, that doesnt mean I dont like you as a person. If you are town and I say you are doing anti town things, that doesnt mean i think you are a bad person.

[protocultures]

Tony is town for proposing basically the same plan I did with the nifty addition of the protects coming from within the POE

I don't actually like this post - I don't think it's a good or convincing reason for reading Tony town. I think it's sort of null alignment-wise though, since at this stage in the game having forced reads can come from both town and scum. Scum forces reads because they don't have any of their own, town forces reads to try to get a sense of the game out of very little pages of content.

I read tony's plan as towny. Its solvy for a plan for town. I agree with Nanook's take on tony's plan as being towny.

I'm surprised you dont agree tbh. What didnt you like about tony's plan? I didnt love all of it, but I thought it came from a pro town pov.

Dont aliens just push bad plans?

[protocultures]

Sorry Mac I think drago is scum for stuff entirely out of your control. Sorry you subbed into the wrong slot, it sucks


Semi related I’m saying 1.5 scum between Mac and bimbo

This post confused me. Nanook spent most of his time talking about mechanics prior to this, but comes out with a strong read on Dragomir scum in this post. Could be a reaction test, but... "1.5 scum between Mac and bimbo"? At the time, bimbo (Hally's slot) had no posts, so I'm just super confused why there was a relationship drawn between the slots or why a completely null slot is 50% to be a wolf.

Is my general theory that no/low posts makes people think they are scummy not true in forum?

Do other people not think this way?

Actual question btw.

[protocultures]

God damn it I didn't want to care about this game...

mac wolf?

Don’t think so tbh

Sorry this is wrong

Yes he probably is but not cause of anything he’s done, cause of drago

This post reads to me like scum forgetting their reads. Earlier, nanook already wrote "sorry you subbed into a wolf slot Mac", so he's already drawn a mental connection between Mac and the Dragomir slot (which he scumread), and thinks of Mac as wolf. This "don't think so tbh" feels like scum forgetting that they're "supposed" to scumread Mac, and then an attempt at correcting the mistake.

If Nanook is Clem, I dont think they make that mistake.

[protocultures]

I think I understand what Epi is trying to do here and if my theory is correct he's town

Found the reference. Can you share?

Found answer. You thought they were reaction checking you so you flipped your read of them to town. Epi then confirms they weren't doing anything of the sort. Why do you hold a townread on them?

@Alison

response still pending - reminder to self

Don't understand the question. Epi said they were throwing shit around to see what sticks, which is congruent with my theory that they were attacking me to try to see if I'd crack or show some kind of alignment-indicative reaction. It's a cruder way of putting it, but it's the same basic principle.

Where did they say that, you gave your theory and they basically said "nah, its just alcohol".

[Dragon D. Luffy]

A Peaceful Night (not really)

I normally start this type of write-up with "a peaceful night" but there's no way this night was peaceful.

No one died, but there was still a lot of "pew pew" flying from the sky to the Earth, and vice-versa. Aliens shot. Humans hid in bunkers. Cities got destroyed. Human aircrafts tried to attack aliens to no avail. Meanwhile, the laser gun recharged.

So, with no further ado...

No one died.

Day 3 Begins

Not sure how to read this.

Is this the mod confirming that aliens DID shoot in the night? I asked whether the aliens can no shoot at night and dont remember a response.

I am not confirming anything. I'm just saying nobody died.

The stuff that is not in [center tags is just flavor.

The aliens do have the option not to shoot, though.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook is clem btw


I’d like to think if I was scum that forgot how I was reading mac in thread I would’ve just brushed it off as changing my mind lol. I just forgot which thread I was in momentarily, it’s a mistake that says nothing about my alignment and probably shouldn’t be discussed more tbh.

[protocultures]

actually is it allowed to ask for ages of players in the game or is that not allowed/frowned upon. People can not choose not to answer obviously.

helps me get a point of reference as to what i should be expecting.

What should you be expecting based on people's ages?

Sounds very... mathematical.

You can get a lot. If someone is 16 vs 50, they have different mindsets. They think about things differently. They react to things differently.

Its helpful knowing you have 3 kids for example.

it makes me scumread you more tbh, except now I have to re-evaluate on you anyway because did you really bus 2 partners. urgh. Can you please link me to some recent games of yours with reveals to assist me?

[protocultures]

A Peaceful Night (not really)

I normally start this type of write-up with "a peaceful night" but there's no way this night was peaceful.

No one died, but there was still a lot of "pew pew" flying from the sky to the Earth, and vice-versa. Aliens shot. Humans hid in bunkers. Cities got destroyed. Human aircrafts tried to attack aliens to no avail. Meanwhile, the laser gun recharged.

So, with no further ado...

No one died.

Day 3 Begins

Not sure how to read this.

Is this the mod confirming that aliens DID shoot in the night? I asked whether the aliens can no shoot at night and dont remember a response.

I am not confirming anything. I'm just saying nobody died.

The stuff that is not in [center tags is just flavor.

The aliens do have the option not to shoot, though.

tyty for clarification

[protocultures]

God damn it I didn't want to care about this game...

mac wolf?

Don’t think so tbh

Sorry this is wrong

Yes he probably is but not cause of anything he’s done, cause of drago

This post reads to me like scum forgetting their reads. Earlier, nanook already wrote "sorry you subbed into a wolf slot Mac", so he's already drawn a mental connection between Mac and the Dragomir slot (which he scumread), and thinks of Mac as wolf. This "don't think so tbh" feels like scum forgetting that they're "supposed" to scumread Mac, and then an attempt at correcting the mistake.

I actually forgot what game I was posting in for a sec lol

I like the acccusation from Alison, I like the response from Nanook. If Nanook can link the game where they dont think Mac is a wolf, that would help collaborate his story.