Jack Attack Mafia (Day 5)

[Hally]

@Hally how do you distinguish among the others that have claimed miller when you decide Tony seems okay and the others are joking?

um, idk? fg’s and nanook’s looked like jokes to me but tony seemed like he intended his to be serious

he had that thing about “it’s conditional” which i don’t get really (how can a miller be conditional? conditional on what?) but seemed serious. also his reaction to wisp voting him for “trying to discredit hally’s claim” where he was like “no im trying to do the opposite” seemed legit?

like idk, just the way he’s gone about it seems like he intends the claim to be taken seriously whereas nanook and fg do not. whether that makes tony’s claim real is another thing but im not sure why he’d think being the second one to claim miller would be a good idea as scum

[Spacedaisy]

Fwiw I have a couple real reads

And will otherwise be playing entirely to have fun cause I’ve had too many less than fun games recently and I refuse to be made to take this one seriously until, like, D4

Put me in the towncore and I’ll sheep

I'd be interested to know your real reads

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Given my [limited] experience playing with and observing Funnygurl, I would describe her civilian play as engaged, dangerous, and alive. She reminds me of Literal Jack in that way.

Her seven posts so far strike me as timid, and the miller claim is meaningless. This isn't the start I would anticipate from her.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Hally how do you distinguish among the others that have claimed miller when you decide Tony seems okay and the others are joking?

um, idk? fg’s and nanook’s looked like jokes to me but tony seemed like he intended his to be serious

he had that thing about “it’s conditional” which i don’t get really (how can a miller be conditional? conditional on what?) but seemed serious. also his reaction to wisp voting him for “trying to discredit hally’s claim” where he was like “no im trying to do the opposite” seemed legit?

like idk, just the way he’s gone about it seems like he intends the claim to be taken seriously whereas nanook and fg do not. whether that makes tony’s claim real is another thing but im not sure why he’d think being the second one to claim miller would be a good idea as scum

Cool cool cool. I tend to agree with the orange bit.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Fwiw I have a couple real reads

And will otherwise be playing entirely to have fun cause I’ve had too many less than fun games recently and I refuse to be made to take this one seriously until, like, D4

Put me in the towncore and I’ll sheep

I'd be interested to know your real reads

Wisp and Epi town, Epi moreso

Hally probably town on claim

Jay slight town, FG slight town

[Hally]

im liking daisy too so far

it’s thin but i feel something good there

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm a bit bugged that sprityo elected to make his initial contribution a generic vote-the-miller-claim, and he chose player I view as the least suspicious non-Hally among them (Tony).

[JaggedJimmyJay]

In a sprityo-knows-a-claimer-is-mafia-and-is-their-teammate-kind-of-TMI-manner-hyphen-words

[Hally]

atm i lean town on epi, jay, wisp, daisy and tony. maybe maybe sabie but idk

everyone else who’s posted is meh to me

nanook actively rubs me wrong but i don’t think i know how to read him. he has a different energy than in space invaders though and it’s skeeving me out a bit. not sure how to articulate, not sure it’s even AI, idk

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Nanook handles business differently from me, and I am going to let him do that. If I don't like that slot at EOD1 though I have no interest in handing out free passes.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

atm i lean town on epi, jay, wisp, daisy and tony. maybe maybe sabie but idk

everyone else who’s posted is meh to me

nanook actively rubs me wrong but i don’t think i know how to read him. he has a different energy than in space invaders though and it’s skeeving me out a bit. not sure how to articulate, not sure it’s even AI, idk

Yeah, well, you’ll excuse me if I entirely disregard your ability to read me even a little bit after you scumread me in space invaders for not playing how you wanted me to

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I have 2-5 good reads so far find someone that’s done better

[Hally]

atm i lean town on epi, jay, wisp, daisy and tony. maybe maybe sabie but idk

everyone else who’s posted is meh to me

nanook actively rubs me wrong but i don’t think i know how to read him. he has a different energy than in space invaders though and it’s skeeving me out a bit. not sure how to articulate, not sure it’s even AI, idk

Yeah, well, you’ll excuse me if I entirely disregard your ability to read me even a little bit after you scumread me in space invaders for not playing how you wanted me to

yeah that’s fair. i dont expect you to care about my read on you regardless of your alignment and i already admitted it may not be accurate

do what you’re gonna do and hopefully i’ll get there

[Hally]

i will say though, for someone that claims to not care how people read you, you... seem to care quite a bit from how you react to suspiscion

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think this game is off to a strong start. I feel pretty decent about the state of things and about the civilian reads I have generated so far. Keep this up and we'll be just fine gang.

[Spacedaisy]

atm i lean town on epi, jay, wisp, daisy and tony. maybe maybe sabie but idk

everyone else who’s posted is meh to me

nanook actively rubs me wrong but i don’t think i know how to read him. he has a different energy than in space invaders though and it’s skeeving me out a bit. not sure how to articulate, not sure it’s even AI, idk

My gut is reading Sabie as civ atm, but I don't have a good reason for it.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

i will say though, for someone that claims to not care how people read you, you... seem to care quite a bit from how you react to suspiscion

I don’t recall claiming I don’t care how people read me?

I broadly don’t react to “prodding to do something” votes, but I do get irritated sometimes when people have bad reads on me for certain reasons. Chief amongst those reasons is what amounts to “I don’t like how you play so you must be mafia,” it’s very irritating. I’m genuinely not that hard to read most games.

I also dislike the “lol nanook does nothing” narrative that people push sometimes, in game and out, it’s fucking annoying and not generally true.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I also dislike the “lol nanook does nothing” narrative that people push sometimes, in game and out, it’s fucking annoying and not generally true.

Is this a read you've seen in this game yet? I don't mean suggest it hasn't happened; I am literally asking.

[Hally]

atm i lean town on epi, jay, wisp, daisy and tony. maybe maybe sabie but idk

everyone else who’s posted is meh to me

nanook actively rubs me wrong but i don’t think i know how to read him. he has a different energy than in space invaders though and it’s skeeving me out a bit. not sure how to articulate, not sure it’s even AI, idk

My gut is reading Sabie as civ atm, but I don't have a good reason for it.

i’m at the same place yea

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I also dislike the “lol nanook does nothing” narrative that people push sometimes, in game and out, it’s fucking annoying and not generally true.

Is this a read you've seen in this game yet? I don't mean suggest it hasn't happened; I am literally asking.

No idea my annoyance with Hally is not constrained to this game, it continues from alien invaders dead chat where some uh

Frustrating comments were made, and the “nanook rubs me the wrong way” thing suggested we might be headed down that path again

[Hally]

i will say though, for someone that claims to not care how people read you, you... seem to care quite a bit from how you react to suspiscion

I don’t recall claiming I don’t care how people read me?

I broadly don’t react to “prodding to do something” votes, but I do get irritated sometimes when people have bad reads on me for certain reasons. Chief amongst those reasons is what amounts to “I don’t like how you play so you must be mafia,” it’s very irritating. I’m genuinely not that hard to read most games.

I also dislike the “lol nanook does nothing” narrative that people push sometimes, in game and out, it’s fucking annoying and not generally true.

ok

sorry if i’ve irritated you, i’ll leave you to it

[Hally]

i dont really feel like continuing this exchange because it will apparently just lead to negative feelings and dredge up stuff from last game, neither of which is productive for this game

[Alison]

Epi soft locked as town imo

nice pocket nanook

[Alison]

I hard claim miller too by the way. Not a joke claim. I'm serious.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Epi soft locked as town imo

nice pocket nanook

Did this last game too

[Alison]

nanook i think the phrase you’re looking for is “town lean”

It’s considerably stronger

To rephrase....

I saw town indicative behavior from Epi. Epi is good enough to fake that behavior over a short amount of time. If he’s town, the behavior will continue. If he’s mafia, it won’t. So, he’s probably clear, but not 100% clear. Thus, soft locked

What makes you think Epi isn't good enough to fake that behavior over a longer period of time?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

nanook i think the phrase you’re looking for is “town lean”

It’s considerably stronger

To rephrase....

I saw town indicative behavior from Epi. Epi is good enough to fake that behavior over a short amount of time. If he’s town, the behavior will continue. If he’s mafia, it won’t. So, he’s probably clear, but not 100% clear. Thus, soft locked

What makes you think Epi isn't good enough to fake that behavior over a longer period of time?

Experience

[Alison]

Epi soft locked as town imo

nice pocket nanook

Did this last game too

I skimmed over your ISO last game (ctrl+f'd "epi" and "lock") and found nothing. Can you point me to the post?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Epi soft locked as town imo

nice pocket nanook

Did this last game too

I skimmed over your ISO last game (ctrl+f'd "epi" and "lock") and found nothing. Can you point me to the post?

Idk somewhere D1 I think, search for Epi

[Hally]

I hard claim miller too by the way. Not a joke claim. I'm serious.

what the hell is this game

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Nanook, whaddya like about Funnygurl?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook, whaddya like about Funnygurl?

Loose feeling entrance, scum are maybe a bit less likely to jokingly claim miller imo

[Alison]

@TonyStarkPrime

I'm sick of watching you suffer tragic losses. If you're a civilian, please do me a favor and make it as plain to me as possible. You don't have to play at the level of Game 7 if you don't have that in you right now, but please try to show me those goods. I think you're reasonably readable as long as you want to be.

Has TSP done anything to make you react like this?

This post confuses me greatliy

[Hally]

[Alison]

Epi soft locked as town imo

nice pocket nanook

Did this last game too

I skimmed over your ISO last game (ctrl+f'd "epi" and "lock") and found nothing. Can you point me to the post?

Idk somewhere D1 I think, search for Epi

no relevant posts show up, I really can't find it

[Alison]

Nanook, whaddya like about Funnygurl?

Loose feeling entrance, scum are maybe a bit less likely to jokingly claim miller imo

She does this every game regardless of alignment. I've played a few games with her and I think she's null.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Remind me tomorrow and I’ll find it

Not pulling my computer back out tonight lulz

[Alison]

Wisp's push on nanook is really bad and JJJ's #269 and #270 are really bad.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@TonyStarkPrime

I'm sick of watching you suffer tragic losses. If you're a civilian, please do me a favor and make it as plain to me as possible. You don't have to play at the level of Game 7 if you don't have that in you right now, but please try to show me those goods. I think you're reasonably readable as long as you want to be.

Has TSP done anything to make you react like this?

This post confuses me greatliy

He has lost a crapload of games in recent memory despite lasting a while in them and often playing quite well. I want him motivated.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Wisp's push on nanook is really bad and JJJ's #269 and #270 are really bad.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

Why are those posts really bad?

[Hally]

Wisp's push on nanook is really bad and JJJ's #269 and #270 are really bad.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

elaborate?

[Alison]

Fwiw I have a couple real reads

And will otherwise be playing entirely to have fun cause I’ve had too many less than fun games recently and I refuse to be made to take this one seriously until, like, D4

Put me in the towncore and I’ll sheep

If I hadn't just finished the Space Invaders game with you I'd have voted you for this

Having fun is good but potatoing for the first three days hurts town and I ask you not to have your fun at the expense of others. Unless you're scum in which case potato away

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook, whaddya like about Funnygurl?

Loose feeling entrance, scum are maybe a bit less likely to jokingly claim miller imo

She does this every game regardless of alignment. I've played a few games with her and I think she's null.

I’ve played with her too, her entrance felt townie to me

[Alison]

Wisp's push on nanook is really bad and JJJ's #269 and #270 are really bad.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

elaborate?

It's unclear to me why Wisp is pushing nanook for not doing anything when plenty of other people haven't done anything either and it's well within standard nanook behavior to not do much, in the first ten pages of the game especially. Also even if you disregard that, nanook stating a soft lock town on Epi was probably more content than many other people in the game anyway.

#269 and #270 had really high levels of "look at me, I'm so town!" energy, which I generally associate with mafia. This is because mafia tends to be much more concerned with how they look to the rest of the town than a townie, and will be actively trying to make themselves look as town as possible. Of course town also has an incentive to try to appear as townie as possible but I think crafting a post specifically to try to exude that kind of energy is >rand mafia. The random jab at funnygurl felt really out of place as well.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Fwiw I have a couple real reads

And will otherwise be playing entirely to have fun cause I’ve had too many less than fun games recently and I refuse to be made to take this one seriously until, like, D4

Put me in the towncore and I’ll sheep

If I hadn't just finished the Space Invaders game with you I'd have voted you for this

Having fun is good but potatoing for the first three days hurts town and I ask you not to have your fun at the expense of others. Unless you're scum in which case potato away

Ok, how have I potatoed

I have the start of a good towncore this game

Last game I was on scum literally every day I was alive

So throw insults if you want but I’m still good at the game, I just approach it differently

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also, like, I HAVE done stuff, I have like five reads

And I’m confident in 3 or 4 of them

So meh

[Spacedaisy]

Wisp's push on nanook is really bad and JJJ's #269 and #270 are really bad.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

I disagree, I don't see what you find objectionable in Jay's posts. It looks like standard Jay from where I'm sitting. I'm not saying it should give him a civ pass, but I don't understand where you are coming from. Please explain.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

#269 and #270 had really high levels of "look at me, I'm so town!" energy, which I generally associate with mafia. This is because mafia tends to be much more concerned with how they look to the rest of the town than a townie, and will be actively trying to make themselves look as town as possible. Of course town also has an incentive to try to appear as townie as possible but I think crafting a post specifically to try to exude that kind of energy is >rand mafia. The random jab at funnygurl felt really out of place as well.

Welcome to the JaggedJimmyJay Experience.

First stop: eliminating half the game from the suspect pool by the end of Day 1.

Next stop: sweet civilian victory

I don't give a shit about "appearances". I am completely serious. If you're a civilian then get the hell out of my POE pool please.

[Alison]

Fwiw I have a couple real reads

And will otherwise be playing entirely to have fun cause I’ve had too many less than fun games recently and I refuse to be made to take this one seriously until, like, D4

Put me in the towncore and I’ll sheep

If I hadn't just finished the Space Invaders game with you I'd have voted you for this

Having fun is good but potatoing for the first three days hurts town and I ask you not to have your fun at the expense of others. Unless you're scum in which case potato away

Ok, how have I potatoed

I have the start of a good towncore this game

Last game I was on scum literally every day I was alive

So throw insults if you want but I’m still good at the game, I just approach it differently

I don't think you've potato'd actually, you've generated content so far and I'm fine with your play up til now. I actually said that Wisp's push on you for not doing much was bad for that reason. But then you said you were just going to sheep if someone put you in a towncore which indicates to me a lack of desire to continue generating content which was what made me said that. If that wasn't what you meant then fine.

[Hally]

Wisp's push on nanook is really bad and JJJ's #269 and #270 are really bad.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

elaborate?

It's unclear to me why Wisp is pushing nanook for not doing anything when plenty of other people haven't done anything either and it's well within standard nanook behavior to not do much, in the first ten pages of the game especially. Also even if you disregard that, nanook stating a soft lock town on Epi was probably more content than many other people in the game anyway.

#269 and #270 had really high levels of "look at me, I'm so town!" energy, which I generally associate with mafia. This is because mafia tends to be much more concerned with how they look to the rest of the town than a townie, and will be actively trying to make themselves look as town as possible. Of course town also has an incentive to try to appear as townie as possible but I think crafting a post specifically to try to exude that kind of energy is >rand mafia. The random jab at funnygurl felt really out of place as well.

okay thanks

i actually understood what wisp was saying re: nanook differently. i think it went deeper than “not doing anything” but i’ll let him clarify himself

and i think those sorts of posts are probably NAI for jay just from what i’ve gathered of him as a player. but again, i’ll let him answer