Jack Attack Mafia (Day 5)

[Alison]

Wisp's push on nanook is really bad and JJJ's #269 and #270 are really bad.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

I disagree, I don't see what you find objectionable in Jay's posts. It looks like standard Jay from where I'm sitting. I'm not saying it should give him a civ pass, but I don't understand where you are coming from. Please explain.

I already explained, see above.

[Alison]

#269 and #270 had really high levels of "look at me, I'm so town!" energy, which I generally associate with mafia. This is because mafia tends to be much more concerned with how they look to the rest of the town than a townie, and will be actively trying to make themselves look as town as possible. Of course town also has an incentive to try to appear as townie as possible but I think crafting a post specifically to try to exude that kind of energy is >rand mafia. The random jab at funnygurl felt really out of place as well.

Welcome to the JaggedJimmyJay Experience.

First stop: eliminating half the game from the suspect pool by the end of Day 1.

Next stop: sweet civilian victory

I don't give a shit about "appearances". I am completely serious. If you're a civilian then get the hell out of my POE pool please.

This post doesn't do anything to change my read sorry

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Fwiw I have a couple real reads

And will otherwise be playing entirely to have fun cause I’ve had too many less than fun games recently and I refuse to be made to take this one seriously until, like, D4

Put me in the towncore and I’ll sheep

If I hadn't just finished the Space Invaders game with you I'd have voted you for this

Having fun is good but potatoing for the first three days hurts town and I ask you not to have your fun at the expense of others. Unless you're scum in which case potato away

Ok, how have I potatoed

I have the start of a good towncore this game

Last game I was on scum literally every day I was alive

So throw insults if you want but I’m still good at the game, I just approach it differently

I don't think you've potato'd actually, you've generated content so far and I'm fine with your play up til now. I actually said that Wisp's push on you for not doing much was bad for that reason. But then you said you were just going to sheep if someone put you in a towncore which indicates to me a lack of desire to continue generating content which was what made me said that. If that wasn't what you meant then fine.

I don’t “generate content,” I meme and have fun and judge others on their content, and I’m usually pretty good at it.

[Spacedaisy]

I see your explanation now Alison (for some reason stuff is getting missed in my linki) and yeah, that's just Jay.

[Alison]

So the thing is that when you say you'll sheep, that is generally interpreted as "blindly following someone's reads", and by extension the opposite of "judging others on their content"

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This post doesn't do anything to change my read sorry

Groovy. Cool beans. You don't know me at all, and you're not the first to react this way at first exposure. You just do your thing and I'll be the judge.

[Alison]

huh I guess two people have spoken up and say this is just Jay's meta. Fine.

[VOTE: Wisp] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

So the thing is that when you say you'll sheep, that is generally interpreted as "blindly following someone's reads", and by extension the opposite of "judging others on their content"

I mean

Depends on how seriously you take that comment I suppose

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Wisp is significantly >rand town based on meta fwiw

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My read on Nanook is reversing. Probably a civilian.

[Hally]

meh, nanook actually is probably >rand town for getting upset at people saying he isnt doing stuff. i feel ~somewhat okay with this read at least for now

and im reluctant to go here because of how dominant a scum performance i just saw from alison but she actually already vibes differently to me than space invaders. i feel... eh about this read rn but it’s something maybe

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

There’s that sweet sweet jay town read

[Hally]

My read on Nanook is reversing. Probably a civilian.

i have been ninja’d

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Maybe we should form our own council jay

We can call it the “I don’t think what you’re doing should work but it clearly does so ok I guess” council

[JaggedJimmyJay]

General statement:

I know folks think the things I say and do are a "shtick" or something, but I hope we'll all at least look deeper than the surface appearances of whatever. Even if you think my behavior is "NAI", please take the substance of that play seriously.

I think we are off to a fantastic start, and my POE goal is very much attainable. So let's work together. That's something civilian teams have been doing too little of around here lately. And I'm supposed to be the galvanizing force that changes that. I mean to live up to that in this game if you'll have me. Game 6 of the champs tournament revealed to me some of the things I've lost sight of lately too; I had gotten away from some of the most important things that I do well. JJJ is back, and that means everyone on my team is my favorite human alive. Let's get it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Maybe we should form our own council jay

We can call it the “I don’t think what you’re doing should work but it clearly does so ok I guess” council

Werd.

Werd.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

No take backsies

[Hally]

if im being as generous as i can i can call these people town

epi
jay
wisp
space
nanook
tony
alison
sabie

this already feels like too many town reads for this stage in the game, but that’s par for the course for me. i promise i’ll reevaluate at some point

[JaggedJimmyJay]

and im reluctant to go here because of how dominant a scum performance i just saw from alison but she actually already vibes differently to me than space invaders. i feel... eh about this read rn but it’s something maybe

This is a read for which I expect to experience conflict. Even from the vantage point of a spoiled spectator in Space Invaders, I felt Alison made some very solid posts. So I am going to be leaning on the people that played in that game when it comes to interpreting her play. I'm not sure I'm going to have an easy time calling her a civilian otherwise.

[Spacedaisy]

Jay:

[Hally]

and im reluctant to go here because of how dominant a scum performance i just saw from alison but she actually already vibes differently to me than space invaders. i feel... eh about this read rn but it’s something maybe

This is a read for which I expect to experience conflict. Even from the vantage point of a spoiled spectator in Space Invaders, I felt Alison made some very solid posts. So I am going to be leaning on the people that played in that game when it comes to interpreting her play. I'm not sure I'm going to have an easy time calling her a civilian otherwise.

yea im not even remotely confident i’ll be able to read her accurately but gotta try

[JaggedJimmyJay]

if im being as generous as i can i can call these people town

epi
jay
wisp
space
nanook
tony
alison
sabie

this already feels like too many town reads for this stage in the game, but that’s par for the course for me. i promise i’ll reevaluate at some point

This would give you the Holy POE Pool of Seven.

I think our views of the game so far are closely aligned. I would express less confidence in Alison and Tony, but the day is very young.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Not to rain on the parade but don’t we need 9 for a winning POE?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay:

They call me LeBron JJJames

Spoiler: show

or at least I wish they did

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Not to rain on the parade but don’t we need 9 for a winning POE?

In a 12 vs. 3 game with conventional night kills, a correct pool of seven suspects wins the game (4 mischops + 3 mafia).

That doesn't mean seven is correct here. But it's a good starting point. More civilians are always welcome.

[Hally]

if im being as generous as i can i can call these people town

epi
jay
wisp
space
nanook
tony
alison
sabie

this already feels like too many town reads for this stage in the game, but that’s par for the course for me. i promise i’ll reevaluate at some point

This would give you the Holy POE Pool of Seven.

I think our views of the game so far are closely aligned. I would express less confidence in Alison and Tony, but the day is very young.

disclaimer that it’s very unlikely to be accurate and will need adjustment for sure. some people haven’t even posted yet. those are less hard and fast town reads and more “this is who has posted that i could call town if im being as charitable as i possibly can,” but as more people post and become townier obviously the bar will need raising

[Spacedaisy]

I lean good on Tony. It's his conditional statement that gives me that impression.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Not to rain on the parade but don’t we need 9 for a winning POE?

In a 12 vs. 3 game with conventional night kills, a correct pool of seven suspects wins the game (4 mischops + 3 mafia).

That doesn't mean seven is correct here. But it's a good starting point. More civilians are always welcome.

Ah I was assuming 11/4

[JaggedJimmyJay]

disclaimer that it’s very unlikely to be accurate and will need adjustment for sure. some people haven’t even posted yet. those are less hard and fast town reads and more “this is who has posted that i could call town if im being as charitable as i possibly can,” but as more people post and become townier obviously the bar will need raising

Werd. What results from this arrangement is a POE pool with a few default zero posters, so we'll remain vigilant and strike that beautiful balance between "hand out candy town reads because you want them so bad" and "refuse to give anyone any slack because the game can't be that easy".

[Hally]

my process of sorting is kinda weird in that i typically start with too many town reads and then steadily raise the bar of towniness until the wolves fall out

i find it pretty hard a lot of the time to get scum reads i feel confident in so i focus on finding town early on instead

just in case its weird to anyone

[Spacedaisy]

my process of sorting is kinda weird in that i typically start with too many town reads and then steadily raise the bar of towniness until the wolves fall out

i find it pretty hard a lot of the time to get scum reads i feel confident in so i focus on finding town early on instead

just in case its weird to anyone

I kind of dig it

[Alison]

meh, nanook actually is probably >rand town for getting upset at people saying he isnt doing stuff. i feel ~somewhat okay with this read at least for now

and im reluctant to go here because of how dominant a scum performance i just saw from alison but she actually already vibes differently to me than space invaders. i feel... eh about this read rn but it’s something maybe

Some people have told me that my tone varies wildly from game to game and others have told me that my tone is completely static and unreadable regardless of alignment. It's very strange.

[Alison]

Also I think that's a good point about nanook

[Alison]

The paranoia from Hally is probably towny? I was under suspicion for most of that game and slipped in my second post so I'm surprised to see Hally that paranoid, but I see she townread me in dead chat so maybe it's because of that.

[Hally]

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

i think thats how you spell it?

[Hally]

The paranoia from Hally is probably towny? I was under suspicion for most of that game and slipped in my second post so I'm surprised to see Hally that paranoid, but I see she townread me in dead chat so maybe it's because of that.

im not sure you fully appreciate just how good your posting in that game was

[Alison]

omg I'm sorry I messed up your pronouns. I deeply apologize and didn't mean to misgender you Hally ><

and thanks for complimenting my play!

[Hally]

omg I'm sorry I messed up your pronouns. I deeply apologize and didn't mean to misgender you Hally ><

and thanks for complimenting my play!

oh no worries! i dont mind whatever pronouns people wanna use, i just say they/them because some people find it easier if i pick one. she/hers is perfectly fine too!

[Hally]

ty for the concern though!

[Alison]

no worries! You're one of my favorite people to play with so I was worried, I'm glad everything is okay!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Any town reads apart from Hally, Alison?

[Alison]

nanook. Still making up my mind about you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

All of a sudden Spacedaisy is one of my top civilian reads. It's a "soul read" if you will, but I get a great sense of purity from dem posts.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Rao's marinara sauce tier -- I want this on my pasta at all times. Not eliminating.
Hally
Spacedaisy

Prego fresh mushroom sauce tier -- I may not necessarily be blown away, but it gets the job done. Not eliminating without being presented with a great reason.
Epignosis
Nanook
sabie12
TonyStarkPrime
Wisp

Plain spaghetti with no sauce tier -- This exists, and when you're starving with no alternatives it works I guess. Suspect pool.
ColinIsCool
KitsuShel

Mid's marinara sauce tier -- It's expensive and seems like it should be good, but something intangible doesn't work for me. I am conflicted. Suspect pool.
Alison

Ragu marinara sauce tier -- V8 tomato juice may have more substance. There are posts here, but none of them inspire any feeling in me. Suspect pool.
DrWilgy
Funnygurl555
Long Con
sprityo

[sabie12]

Well I was close I said 300 and there were 200 posts while I was asleep but they were short so easy to read through. I found allison hard to read before and I'll have to try to get better at that.
I like Jay's sauce analysis of the game so far.

my process of sorting is kinda weird in that i typically start with too many town reads and then steadily raise the bar of towniness until the wolves fall out

i find it pretty hard a lot of the time to get scum reads i feel confident in so i focus on finding town early on instead

just in case its weird to anyone

I don't think this is weird if sounds like what I do sometimes too.

[Long Con]

i will say though, for someone that claims to not care how people read you, you... seem to care quite a bit from how you react to suspiscion

I don’t recall claiming I don’t care how people read me?

I broadly don’t react to “prodding to do something” votes, but I do get irritated sometimes when people have bad reads on me for certain reasons. Chief amongst those reasons is what amounts to “I don’t like how you play so you must be mafia,” it’s very irritating. I’m genuinely not that hard to read most games.

I also dislike the “lol nanook does nothing” narrative that people push sometimes, in game and out, it’s fucking annoying and not generally true.

Can I get this post tattooed on my back?

[sabie12]

LC your nightmare stuff sounds truly horrifying. My nightmares always seem to be about an animal attacking me

[Long Con]

LC your nightmare stuff sounds truly horrifying. My nightmares always seem to be about an animal attacking me

Also scary. Do you believe all the Miller claims? If they're all true, then the scum team is going to have an easy time picking off power roles, if there are any.

[sabie12]

LC your nightmare stuff sounds truly horrifying. My nightmares always seem to be about an animal attacking me

Also scary. Do you believe all the Miller claims? If they're all true, then the scum team is going to have an easy time picking off power roles, if there are any.

I believe it is easy to just say hey I'm a miller and then try to slide by on that. Hally may be genuine as they were the first but any others following are iffy I don't know. Do you?

[Long Con]

There could be a wolf in there, who knows? I believe Hally and Tony.