Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Timsup2nothin]

I usually try to post things that are funny.

It had not occurred to me to post what I think.

Let me try this.

I think Alison is whimsical.

[Master Radishes]

After about 30 seconds of thinking about it,

tutuu is town for that massive wall of text with incredibly convoluted reasoning about my alignment. Wolves don't put their mind so deep into the weeds for someone whose alignment they already know.

I'm gonna take this at face value and consider Alison town for it. It's hard for wolves to back down from an early game read they tunneled themselves in to. Not impossible, but hard.

[Master Radishes]

Benson I'm playing serious now, you can come back.

[Master Radishes]

Just noticed the poll.

Also just noticed my post count.

Have not noticed D0 end time.

[Timsup2nothin]

Poll is tied!!!

Let it RAND!!!

HYPE!!!

[WerewolfHunter]

Poll is tied!!!

Let it RAND!!!

HYPE!!!

It might change if all players participate

[Timsup2nothin]

Poll is tied!!!

Let it RAND!!!

HYPE!!!

It might change if all players participate

Taking joy in the moment without regard to how the future might screw it up is a base tenet of my philosophy.

[nutella]

Kza is probably mafia and I can read him with precision.

Hmm, try reading me with accuracy next

lmao

kza town for now

Scirrus' entrance also poor. Generic roleplay that attempts to disguise an uncomfortable thread entrance.

Hard agree with this, textbook scummy entrance.

I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.

From my experience playing, for me this isn't always the case. sometimes, evils will joke about it and actually turn out to be evil. Maybe, this site's perspective is different

Wait so this is your first post in the game huh.

Lol this too.

[nutella]

tutuu is town for that massive wall of text with incredibly convoluted reasoning about my alignment. Wolves don't put their mind so deep into the weeds for someone whose alignment they already know.

I'm gut reading proto town.

MR and tim have some W/W equity for a very "theater"-like interaction.

Benson seems like he's lonely and trying to reach out to people, which is town. Also Benson, my experience with proto has led me to feel absolutely no discomfort at his "self-conscious meta talk". I get why you feel suspicious about it - I had similar thoughts on iaafr. I'm just saying, from my own meta experience it's not something I'm concerned about.

good takes dot jpeg

[nutella]

After about 30 seconds of thinking about it,

tutuu is town for that massive wall of text with incredibly convoluted reasoning about my alignment. Wolves don't put their mind so deep into the weeds for someone whose alignment they already know.

I'm gonna take this at face value and consider Alison town for it. It's hard for wolves to back down from an early game read they tunneled themselves in to. Not impossible, but hard.

Alison literally just identified this very thing as a scumtell of hers in a theory thread elsewhere on the forum.

[Alison]

After about 30 seconds of thinking about it,

tutuu is town for that massive wall of text with incredibly convoluted reasoning about my alignment. Wolves don't put their mind so deep into the weeds for someone whose alignment they already know.

I'm gonna take this at face value and consider Alison town for it. It's hard for wolves to back down from an early game read they tunneled themselves in to. Not impossible, but hard.

Alison literally just identified this very thing as a scumtell of hers in a theory thread elsewhere on the forum.

Slander! I identified this very thing as a tactic I use as scum a lot to get people to townread me, but followed it up by saying that it works because it's something I do a lot as town!

[Alison]

nutella/MR, talk to me about the Scirrus entrance. What makes it any different from the other "roleplayish" entrances in this game?

[nutella]

nutella/MR, talk to me about the Scirrus entrance. What makes it any different from the other "roleplayish" entrances in this game?

I'd say his is the most purely rp-based and feels detached from the game in a way that I think fits as a scum trying to appear casual upon entry

[Timsup2nothin]

I have decided to go back to just posting things that are funny since apparently no one cared about what I thought.

[Long Con]

Also, I am more of a post what I think type of person. Some people say that I play differently or opposite of how others do

What do you mean 'post what I think type of person'? Don't we all post what we think?

Sorry, if I didn't word this well. I post whatever is on my head at the moment even it may not be game related. I also rarely reconsider what I have typed.

I think I'm the same way. Do people ask you "why did you post this?" a lot?

[Long Con]

I have decided to go back to just posting things that are funny since apparently no one cared about what I thought.

Your ideas on Alison's whimsy levels are intriguing.

[WerewolfHunter]

Also, I am more of a post what I think type of person. Some people say that I play differently or opposite of how others do

What do you mean 'post what I think type of person'? Don't we all post what we think?

Sorry, if I didn't word this well. I post whatever is on my head at the moment even it may not be game related. I also rarely reconsider what I have typed.

I think I'm the same way. Do people ask you "why did you post this?" a lot?

Although, they don't state that I think that is probably what happens. On my other sites I think most people have gotten used to it. I still get misyeeted often sometimes because of my playstyle being different

[nutella]

Also, I am more of a post what I think type of person. Some people say that I play differently or opposite of how others do

What do you mean 'post what I think type of person'? Don't we all post what we think?

Sorry, if I didn't word this well. I post whatever is on my head at the moment even it may not be game related. I also rarely reconsider what I have typed.

I think I'm the same way. Do people ask you "why did you post this?" a lot?

why did you post this?

[WerewolfHunter]

Also, I am more of a post what I think type of person. Some people say that I play differently or opposite of how others do

What do you mean 'post what I think type of person'? Don't we all post what we think?

Sorry, if I didn't word this well. I post whatever is on my head at the moment even it may not be game related. I also rarely reconsider what I have typed.

I think I'm the same way. Do people ask you "why did you post this?" a lot?

why did you post this?

I know this wasn't addressed at me. These type of post do seem to help me get used to other players styles

[Long Con]

Also, I am more of a post what I think type of person. Some people say that I play differently or opposite of how others do

What do you mean 'post what I think type of person'? Don't we all post what we think?

Sorry, if I didn't word this well. I post whatever is on my head at the moment even it may not be game related. I also rarely reconsider what I have typed.

I think I'm the same way. Do people ask you "why did you post this?" a lot?

why did you post this?

Mostly to just say something. Everyone's all solvey and it's only Day 0.

[Master Radishes]

nutella/MR, talk to me about the Scirrus entrance. What makes it any different from the other "roleplayish" entrances in this game?

nutella/MR, talk to me about the Scirrus entrance. What makes it any different from the other "roleplayish" entrances in this game?

I'd say his is the most purely rp-based and feels detached from the game in a way that I think fits as a scum trying to appear casual upon entry

Yeah it just feels like someone who overthought how to RP their entry to appear casual.

My vote is here in spirit atm.

[WerewolfHunter]

I'm not used to have extremely long day 0's if at all

[Master Radishes]

Also staying on thread entrances, the reason I was quizzing WH was because she entered the game by just delving straight into someone else's convo to give some WIFOM commentary. No hello, no particular read on anyone, just she saw something she clearly thought 'ah I could comment on this' which is not a thought process I generally find townie.

[WerewolfHunter]

Also staying on thread entrances, the reason I was quizzing WH was because she entered the game by just delving straight into someone else's convo to give some WIFOM commentary. No hello, no particular read on anyone, just she saw something she clearly thought 'ah I could comment on this' which is not a thought process I generally find townie.

well, my first post was more of the greeting post before that. I personally like sharing my perspective on things in games especially when I am never to a site. I do understnad that you may have a different perspective

[nutella]

I didn't see a greeting post from you before that, are you sure you don't mean in the signup thread? lol

[WerewolfHunter]

I didn't see a greeting post from you before that, are you sure you don't mean in the signup thread? lol

Yes, I'm pretty certain I did one

[WerewolfHunter]

I didn't see a greeting post from you before that, are you sure you don't mean in the signup thread? lol

Yes, I'm pretty certain I did one

Maybe, I accidentally posted in wrong thread. Sorry about that. I was pretty certain that I had

[WerewolfHunter]

see you later everyone!

Have an event soon.

[Dyslexicon]

What is anxiety?
Tomorrow.

[nutella]

What is anxiety?
Tomorrow.

What's the difference between a duck?








One leg is both the same.

[Benson]

Hi Dyslexicon! And anyone else that I haven't said anything to.

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I hate slips but did WH slip?

I didn't see a greeting post from you before that, are you sure you don't mean in the signup thread? lol

Yes, I'm pretty certain I did one

Maybe, I accidentally posted in wrong thread. Sorry about that. I was pretty certain that I had

Posted a greeting in the woofer chat instead and then thought you did that here as well?
How would you forget about that?

Idk, it's a reach for sure. Maybe the linki thing came up and she thought the post went through.

Ugh, I guess my next post may be my last for a while.

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[nutella]

Eh it's a reach because we don't have private threads like on MU, it's usually only on discord, so I don't think she'd confuse it. unless maybe replying to the host pm? More likely she's talking about the signup thread.

[nutella]

Or yeah it could be the linki (post preview) thing came up and she didn't realize she had to resubmit. we've had new users get confused about that feature lol.

[Timsup2nothin]

Or yeah it could be the linki (post preview) thing came up and she didn't realize she had to resubmit. we've had new users get confused about that feature lol.

Hard to believe.

Spoiler: show

Yeah, okay, one of my early posts got lost this way.

[Benson]

Guys I just realised our host needs to start his semifinal game in like four days.

Let's go for the sweep so he won't be distracted.

I played in a game that was hosted by a champs participant during their qualifying match. They did fine and directly advanced. I have every confidence that TSP can handle this.

Besides, for wolves even a sweep takes many days and you my dear root vegetable are far from a lock town at this point.

I like the insertion of that subtle assumption into the conversation though, even if I had to reject it. Points for effort.

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This post seems kinda serious compared to what it's responding to. Hmm.



Mafia philosophical question: is intuition or rationality more important to you when forming reads? Or is that a bad dichotomy.

God, I hope we get to the next phase and I can post tonight.

It may be far less serious than it appears.

Or it may be highly nuanced. Perhaps...

It expresses support for and confidence in the host, possibly attempting to pocket him for reasons unknown.
It fires a warning shot across the bow for Master Radishes implying that his posts will be assessed with more than just a casual level of scrutiny.
It serves to warn other players that subtle assumptions made about innocuous posts can be used to influence their subsequent reads, and that a highly evolved wolf such as Master Radishes would be if he randed wolf may use such tactics.
It also serves as fair warning that if I had randed wolf I also am a wolf of that nature so should be handled carefully.
It produces the wifom that if I HAD randed wolf I would not want townies to start thinking on such subtle levels so I would have just let it pass, so it effectively town tells me.

Or it could have just been the setup line for a joke about common root vegetables and Master Radishes. I leave it to you to determine for yourself whether to treat me as a highly nuanced player looking five layers deep into every post made, or to treat me as a happy go lucky jokester giving a day zero exactly the minimal weight that it probably deserves.

Damn. I enjoyed my time trying to figure this post out :fry:
But I think you will be handled carefully, even if you are joking.

I have decided to go back to just posting things that are funny since apparently no one cared about what I thought.

I care, Tim. I care.

tutuu is town for that massive wall of text with incredibly convoluted reasoning about my alignment. Wolves don't put their mind so deep into the weeds for someone whose alignment they already know.

I'm gut reading proto town.

MR and tim have some W/W equity for a very "theater"-like interaction.

Benson seems like he's lonely and trying to reach out to people, which is town. Also Benson, my experience with proto has led me to feel absolutely no discomfort at his "self-conscious meta talk". I get why you feel suspicious about it - I had similar thoughts on iaafr. I'm just saying, from my own meta experience it's not something I'm concerned about.

Impressively accurate soul read on me, tbh.

I know I wasn't very clear, but I'm not actually suspicious of proto. I just thought their entrance was something people would consider "classically wolfy" (like MR did) on the surface, despite that not necessarily being the case. I know some players have reason to act overly self-conscious as town as well. I'm glad your meta on them supports that.

Eh it's a reach because we don't have private threads like on MU, it's usually only on discord, so I don't think she'd confuse it. unless maybe replying to the host pm? More likely she's talking about the signup thread.

Ah gotcha. I didn't see anything in the signup thread that would makes sense as a greeting for the game, however.
I'm really sorry if this is getting angleshooty.



Some random reads before I have to leave:

Alison - Seems comfortable being in the driver's seat right now. I have no meta on her and she self-admittedly "likes to powerwolf", but her comfort level appears villagery. Her reads are good and the progression looks genuine at least.

Nutella - Kind of comes across like she's sheeping reads/ideas and then not following through or doing much about it. I know that's a harsh oversimplification but this is the abstraction I've made from reading her posts. Need more original takes.

Kza - Admittedly, I didn't notice the epicness of his "accuracy" joke earlier, haha. But seriously, I would think that he'd be posting more actual opinions or takes or anything if he's town here. If just seems like he doesn't know what to post or how to insert himself in any of the conversations.

Well this is it. Bye bye for now.

Spoiler: show

[protocultures]

After about 30 seconds of thinking about it,

tutuu is town for that massive wall of text with incredibly convoluted reasoning about my alignment. Wolves don't put their mind so deep into the weeds for someone whose alignment they already know.

I'm gonna take this at face value and consider Alison town for it. It's hard for wolves to back down from an early game read they tunneled themselves in to. Not impossible, but hard.

Alison literally just identified this very thing as a scumtell of hers in a theory thread elsewhere on the forum.

TR Nutella for this

[protocultures]

Or yeah it could be the linki (post preview) thing came up and she didn't realize she had to resubmit. we've had new users get confused about that feature lol.

Hard to believe.

Spoiler: show

Yeah, okay, one of my early posts got lost this way.

I confirm this is a thing as a new player.

no idea what the remainder of the discussion was about.

I def discarded a post at least once because I thought I posted already.

[WerewolfHunter]

Hi Dyslexicon! And anyone else that I haven't said anything to.

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I hate slips but did WH slip?

I didn't see a greeting post from you before that, are you sure you don't mean in the signup thread? lol

Yes, I'm pretty certain I did one

Maybe, I accidentally posted in wrong thread. Sorry about that. I was pretty certain that I had

Posted a greeting in the woofer chat instead and then thought you did that here as well?
How would you forget about that?

Idk, it's a reach for sure. Maybe the linki thing came up and she thought the post went through.

Ugh, I guess my next post may be my last for a while.

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It's certainly a thought. I do always Try to start a game with more of a greeting or a thought than anything else. Hmm. Maybe I messed up games as I didn't find it in my iso

[WerewolfHunter]

Eh it's a reach because we don't have private threads like on MU, it's usually only on discord, so I don't think she'd confuse it. unless maybe replying to the host pm? More likely she's talking about the signup thread.

Thanks. I was wondering how stuff like that happened. Assumption was other threads

[WerewolfHunter]

Or yeah it could be the linki (post preview) thing came up and she didn't realize she had to resubmit. we've had new users get confused about that feature lol.

I could have sworn I posted once last night lol. I'm guessing that may have been it

Well my initial post was supposed to be hello, everyone! I'm excited to play with you.

[Timsup2nothin]

Soooooo.....

45 minutes to EoD 0, give or take.

Hope everyone answered their questions.

Night 0, or straight into day one? Anyone got any experience in this sort of thing?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Soooooo.....

45 minutes to EoD 0, give or take.

Hope everyone answered their questions.

Night 0, or straight into day one? Anyone got any experience in this sort of thing?

Straight to day 1. I will be starting day 1 at precisely 9 pm. Post limits are technically removed at this time as it is within one hour from the end of the phase.

[Benson]

Or yeah it could be the linki (post preview) thing came up and she didn't realize she had to resubmit. we've had new users get confused about that feature lol.

I could have sworn I posted once last night lol. I'm guessing that may have been it

Well my initial post was supposed to be hello, everyone! I'm excited to play with you.

OK, I believe you.

[iaafr]

Spoiler: show

I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.

i want it known that he did something similar in his last non-mash towngame and kept it up for all of d1. this is NAI for him

I agree with this yeah, I think he's deffo in wolfrange so far

and you should know this, because you were in that game. what's different about him here?

3/30

24/30

tr on tim, i think its towny that he spent a post saying "wait did X rly do Y?" instead of taking 5 secs to scroll back and see for it himself. and im kinda feeling like he still didnt bother going back to look for it, he just assumed what im saying is true and went along with it and made a joke

this is a bad read on tim, because tim is a player who's generally extremely cognizant of his own posting and able to deliberately fake stuff like this as a wolf quite well

that said i think it's kind of villagery to make this read, maybe?

i'm torn on tutuu in general because i think the way they kinda jumped us out of shitposting phase by taking a jokepost seriously is something i've seen both alignments do and i'm not entirely sure which one i'm looking at here. gth probably v off tone but far from sure

4/30

If we're reading alignment based on avatars then a Your Name avatar has to be lock town right? Like that movie is on par with Madoka Magica.

Anyway even if the "call your own play scummy" thing is NAI for him I think the rest of my points are still valid.

i haven't seen madoka magica but i'm already pocketed gg

i think your disliking the use of the word "tunnel" there is again somewhat NAI for iaafr; i think there may be something to your point on potential TMI on you/tutuu but i'm not willing to go anywhere near that until people start flipping, i think

idk i guess i just struggle to see anything iaafr's really done so far as being anything other than "iaafr being iaafr"

5/30

i guess honestly given that it's d0 and doesn't matter, and that the threadstate mostly reflects this, it's probably lightly villagery in a vacuum for anyone to be actually Playing The Game at this point

which i think looks best for alison because she's taking it the most seriously

6/30

Premature. Not bad. It was reasoned. Amy is correct that there was absolutely nothing outside my wolf range there, but as long as you give solid reasoning you aren't making a bad read. Just don't count it as a conclusion.

yeah perhaps better phrasing would have been "bad way to read tim specifically"

side note ctrl+i not italicizing on this forum is yet another reason why phpBB needs to go away

7/30

framing their introduction
background state of mind
this person comes to meme
and be excused for this mentality later in the game

do you not find it scummy?

it's a copypasta. i didn't write it

amy posts enclosed

these are all scum posts

first is scum post, meme copypasta that's not particularly original or fitting is >rand scum (based on experience with wiggles doing it once as scum, n=1 reads goat)

everything amy's posted so far is easily postable as scum. like scarily easily. i can't find a single thought by amy that makes me want to town her, and i don't think she'd be QUITE this underwhelming as town. think she's just low wim scum because she didn't particularly want to rand scum here and can't find the motivation to put her pride on the line by trying particularly hard. clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest). amy is just completely transparently joyless in this game, and i think that's because of her alignment.

might not be a particularly convincing case, but i feel pretty good about this scumread.

sorry if wrong, this is my d1 tunnel.

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

townreads:

nutella, tutuu, protocultures

townleans:

tim, scirrus (guttest of gut), werewolfhunter, alison, long con

null/scumlean/flipfloppy:

nanook, radishes, benson, dyslexicon, coliniscool, kza, colonialbob

scumread:

amy



not giving deep reasons for any reads except the scumcase i wrote on amy for now. will start writing towncases sometime during the day, after more stuff has happened.

tempted to put benson in townleans, but... just a bit sketched by a few little things. similar thoughts with nanook/radishes. the rest of the people in that group don't seem to be playing to be read any townier than null regardless of actual alignment, so i feel like they're pretty understandable placements. also slightly sketched by alison, but i mildly mindmelded with the early tutuu sus (before i decided it was civ/civ) and thats enough to make me gth her town.

[Timsup2nothin]

Wooooooooo!!!!!!


Posting just because I can!!!!!!

Sorry.

<looks embarrassed>

Part of the reason I got in this game was to practice dealing with post caps, but I admit it is very challenging for me.

[nutella]

amy sus sounds good to me

inb4 i'm called out for sheeping again

[Benson]

lol
I was just about to say I was concerned with Amy so far. Noticeable lack of engagement.

[Benson]

amy sus sounds good to me

inb4 i'm called out for sheeping again

Well this time I'll allow it because I'm caught sheeping what you're sheeping hehe

[Benson]

Wooooooooo!!!!!!


Posting just because I can!!!!!!

Sorry.

<looks embarrassed>

Part of the reason I got in this game was to practice dealing with post caps, but I admit it is very challenging for me.

Yeah. I'm gonna need to make a really conscious effort next phase.

The worst part about post caps is that it limits how players naturally want to express themselves. And that makes it harder for certain villagers to be villagery and thus harder for me to read them.

[iaafr]

iaafr also noticably turned off his online indicator so that might be scummy idk (is this an angleshoot on this site?)