Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[WerewolfHunter]

well the purpose of using the vote tags is to signal you voting in the pool but feel free to play with the toys however u want

11

I know it is however that would lead to me hammering and I think it's too early

I think you're supposed to do both otherwise it can be confusing.

13

Are you telling me I should hammer?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It’s not that disrespectful imo, just a game that’s probably locked. It happens

We have the most polar opposite philosophies so I don't expect to find common ground lol.

If we knowingly chopped Alison last night before she could share her thoughts or respond it would've been disrespectful. I'm sorry for my part in that. You're about to take someone out of the game by vote. At least have the decency to give them their final moments to get thoughts out in case they're town.

I mean uh

If it were dizzy I’d agree with you but I think Proto has been fairly active, to the point I don’t think it’s that hard to know where they stand kf they’re town?


Like my only actual hesitation here is that I’m kinda reluctant to let dizzy skate another day without claiming after skating last night by saying they’d claim today

[Hally]

tbh actually mafia killing tim could be like a game losing play

they really had to target within the clears because like, eventually i will be confirmed and so will nut, lc, colin, tutuu, wwh and nanook

and like, i don’t think wolves have enough nights left to kill all the clear ppl if they didn’t start like... last night and even then it’s a stretch

but like i think no matter what kill they make there theyre fucked in some way

mostly i think we always win this anyway so the concept of game losing plays is not really a thing anymore

[Hally]

i still think dizzy is town

[Hally]

rabbit still hasn’t actually claimed but says he can’t? which like... ok ig but why

[iaafr]

you'll find out postgame

I'm literally not allowed to claim any aspect

I can say it's a pretty shitty role though

[Benson]

[mention]protocultures[/mention] I think Hally and Nutella are confirmed wolves and are trying to misyeet you. Will you vote them with me right now?

[iaafr]

shitty in the sense of lowpower, it's not like that boring a role from game design perspective

[Benson]

The fact Tutuu is not dead, means that Tutuu's check on WWH was not redirected.

Actually, talk to me about this first. I don't follow.

[Benson]

shitty in the sense of lowpower, it's not like that boring a role from game design perspective

It's probably not as bad as the janivig

[Hally]

@protocultures I think Hally and Nutella are confirmed wolves and are trying to misyeet you. Will you vote them with me right now?

man you just won’t quit

[Hally]

shitty in the sense of lowpower, it's not like that boring a role from game design perspective

It's probably not as bad as the janivig

that was literally a role in a game on this site

like literally last game

and it was hosted by jack of hearts, who is from hcrealms like tony

a site that favors weirder mech stuff

so yes, a janitored vig is possible

[Long Con]

well the purpose of using the vote tags is to signal you voting in the pool but feel free to play with the toys however u want

11

I know it is however that would lead to me hammering and I think it's too early

I think you're supposed to do both otherwise it can be confusing.

13

Are you telling me I should hammer?

More like... unvote in the thread for now. The poll vote is the official vote, and the thread vote is for the players to analyze when going back over things. Voting in one place and not the other is not done.

[protocultures]

LC is confirmed from v!hallys pov so

he is impossible to tinfoil without also tinfoiling hally

the converse isnt true (w hally / v lc is possible), but yeah

probably just cant be lc

i still buy that hally just couldnt make that claim up as wolf

I dont understand Hally's clears. They ALL depend on MR being mafia. How does Hally KNOW that MR was mafia.

Why does Hally clear Nutella?

Why does Hally clear LC?

It all relies on MR being mafia. There is nothing to confirm MR was mafia.

I dont want to vote for Hally, I advocated a check on Hally.

if I die in poe, its whatever since I said its not terrible for me to die yesterday.

[Benson]

Sometimes I say things without meaning them, Hally. Or with nebulous intentions.

And I'm saying the janivig sucks as a town role. Not that it doesn't or couldn't exist.

[Hally]

LC is confirmed from v!hallys pov so

he is impossible to tinfoil without also tinfoiling hally

the converse isnt true (w hally / v lc is possible), but yeah

probably just cant be lc

i still buy that hally just couldnt make that claim up as wolf

I dont understand Hally's clears. They ALL depend on MR being mafia. How does Hally KNOW that MR was mafia.

Why does Hally clear Nutella?

Why does Hally clear LC?

It all relies on MR being mafia. There is nothing to confirm MR was mafia.

I dont want to vote for Hally, I advocated a check on Hally.

if I die in poe, its whatever since I said its not terrible for me to die yesterday.

i cannot explain it to you if you dont understand it yet

[Long Con]

LC is confirmed from v!hallys pov so

he is impossible to tinfoil without also tinfoiling hally

the converse isnt true (w hally / v lc is possible), but yeah

probably just cant be lc

i still buy that hally just couldnt make that claim up as wolf

I dont understand Hally's clears. They ALL depend on MR being mafia. How does Hally KNOW that MR was mafia.

Why does Hally clear Nutella?

Why does Hally clear LC?

It all relies on MR being mafia. There is nothing to confirm MR was mafia.

I dont want to vote for Hally, I advocated a check on Hally.

if I die in poe, its whatever since I said its not terrible for me to die yesterday.

Because Hally redirected Radishes on to me, which used up my bulletproof vest. That proves Radish was scum, and was making the kill that night.

Scum-Hally world is that Hally tried to kill me directly (or someone on her team... bob?) and saw the opportunity to frame Radish for it, and concocted the redirecter scheme to clear herself.

[Long Con]

Redirector?

[iaafr]

LC is confirmed from v!hallys pov so

he is impossible to tinfoil without also tinfoiling hally

the converse isnt true (w hally / v lc is possible), but yeah

probably just cant be lc

i still buy that hally just couldnt make that claim up as wolf

I dont understand Hally's clears. They ALL depend on MR being mafia. How does Hally KNOW that MR was mafia.

Why does Hally clear Nutella?

Why does Hally clear LC?

It all relies on MR being mafia. There is nothing to confirm MR was mafia.

I dont want to vote for Hally, I advocated a check on Hally.

if I die in poe, its whatever since I said its not terrible for me to die yesterday.

if Mr isn't mafia he has to be vig

if Mr is vig, Nutella has to be scum

people have entertained this world and mostly still concluded it's less likely than Nutella being what she claims with the nightkill from MR Having been redirected

[tutuu]

if proto flips town should i peek in dizzy-amy-iaafr-benson or should i peek hally to clear her + lc? (and nut??? but i forgot again)

[iaafr]

if proto flips town should i peek in dizzy-amy-iaafr-benson or should i peek hally to clear her + lc? (and nut??? but i forgot again)

think Hally or nut might be the best peeks for game health but idk opinions may vary here

I'm fine dying tomorrow if proto doesn't end it I will join the fabled line of suicidal Poe townies

[Hally]

if proto flips town should i peek in dizzy-amy-iaafr-benson or should i peek hally to clear her + lc? (and nut??? but i forgot again)

up to you

i’m fine being checked it will make my life easier

[Benson]

If Hally is getting checked, Colin has to track Hally to make sure no funny business.

[WerewolfHunter]

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[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine I jusr want to make sure that my vote does matter in the end so I wanted to share where I stand.

[WerewolfHunter]

If Hally is getting checked, Colin has to track Hally to make sure no funny business.

15

Seems reasonable

[Hally]

if i’m checked and ppl still concoct a weird ass tinfoil of how i, lc or nut can be still be wolves i’m punting whatever person tinfoils that into the sun

when i come back green that is the end of the tinfoil. full stop

not gonna have tutuu burn a check on me just to have someone tell me why it doesn’t mean what it actually means

[iaafr]

what do y'all think of a tutuu/Hally/nut/LC/Colin scumteam

[Hally]

what do y'all think of a tutuu/Hally/nut/LC/Colin scumteam

seems plausible

[tutuu]

has everyone claimed nationality btw?

[Hally]

has everyone claimed nationality btw?

no i didn’t yet

i’m chinese

confucius

[protocultures]

confirming that i targeted dizzy

rip tim also weirdchamp kill

there's way better medic dodges

flavor almost makes me wonder if tim's death was self-inflicted and scum ran into a benson save on tutuu?

1/60

This! It does look like that. Or something like that.

I don't know why it would have been worded with "self inflicted" if it was an MK.

I did save tutuu last night - this is a 100% serious claim.

So some quick thoughts

Mafia KNOWS tutuu is the cop. They also know benson is likely doc.

If mafia have a redirect, they redirect Benson and kill Tutuu.

The fact Tutuu is not dead, means that Tutuu's check on WWH was not redirected.

Thats my logic assuming benson is town (and I TR Benson btw).

Just wanted to make that point before I forget later.

i dont understand what youre saying here at all

which part do you not understand?

[Benson]

Why do the nationalities matter at all when the wolves were given cover claims??

if i’m checked and ppl still concoct a weird ass tinfoil of how i, lc or nut can be still be wolves i’m punting whatever person tinfoils that into the sun

when i come back green that is the end of the tinfoil. full stop

not gonna have tutuu burn a check on me just to have someone tell me why it doesn’t mean what it actually means

If you come back green then it will mean you redirected the peek onto me.

[Benson]

proto, I don't think you answered one of my questions. It was wherever I tagged you earlier.

[tutuu]

Why do the nationalities matter at all when the wolves were given cover claims??

if i’m checked and ppl still concoct a weird ass tinfoil of how i, lc or nut can be still be wolves i’m punting whatever person tinfoils that into the sun

when i come back green that is the end of the tinfoil. full stop

not gonna have tutuu burn a check on me just to have someone tell me why it doesn’t mean what it actually means

If you come back green then it will mean you redirected the peek onto me.

all wolves are greek

all non-wolves are non-greek

they are given fake roles to claim, but i peek the real nationality

[protocultures]

tbh actually mafia killing tim could be like a game losing play

they really had to target within the clears because like, eventually i will be confirmed and so will nut, lc, colin, tutuu, wwh and nanook

and like, i don’t think wolves have enough nights left to kill all the clear ppl if they didn’t start like... last night and even then it’s a stretch

but like i think no matter what kill they make there theyre fucked in some way

Please stop calling people confirmed then when they are not.

Tutuu is almost confirmed for redchecking mafia.
Nanoon is almost confirmed for shooting mafia.
WWH is confirmed because of my logic as to why mafia dont have a redirect, which you said you didnt understand.

Thats it.

Nobody else is really confirmed.

from MY pov, LC is confirmed to have not gone anywhere/done anything in the first night, unless someone with higher priority jacked me in the night.

[Benson]

Why do the nationalities matter at all when the wolves were given cover claims??

if i’m checked and ppl still concoct a weird ass tinfoil of how i, lc or nut can be still be wolves i’m punting whatever person tinfoils that into the sun

when i come back green that is the end of the tinfoil. full stop

not gonna have tutuu burn a check on me just to have someone tell me why it doesn’t mean what it actually means

If you come back green then it will mean you redirected the peek onto me.

all wolves are greek

all non-wolves are non-greek

they are given fake roles to claim, but i peek the real nationality

I get all that.

But you aren't going to know if they're lying until you peek them. It's like asking someone if they're a wolf. lol

Unless you're talking about getting them to slip and accidentally say the Greek one, which is fine, but I think they've probably figured out which one to claim by now.

[Hally]

confirming that i targeted dizzy

rip tim also weirdchamp kill

there's way better medic dodges

flavor almost makes me wonder if tim's death was self-inflicted and scum ran into a benson save on tutuu?

1/60

This! It does look like that. Or something like that.

I don't know why it would have been worded with "self inflicted" if it was an MK.

I did save tutuu last night - this is a 100% serious claim.

So some quick thoughts

Mafia KNOWS tutuu is the cop. They also know benson is likely doc.

If mafia have a redirect, they redirect Benson and kill Tutuu.

The fact Tutuu is not dead, means that Tutuu's check on WWH was not redirected.

Thats my logic assuming benson is town (and I TR Benson btw).

Just wanted to make that point before I forget later.

i dont understand what youre saying here at all

which part do you not understand?

forget it, not important

[Hally]

Why do the nationalities matter at all when the wolves were given cover claims??

if i’m checked and ppl still concoct a weird ass tinfoil of how i, lc or nut can be still be wolves i’m punting whatever person tinfoils that into the sun

when i come back green that is the end of the tinfoil. full stop

not gonna have tutuu burn a check on me just to have someone tell me why it doesn’t mean what it actually means

If you come back green then it will mean you redirected the peek onto me.

i know you’re joking but fair warning that if you argue anything close to this i will make it my mission to kill you in this game

[tutuu]

im asking for the nationalities now in case of mech shenanigans (redirector, miller/godfather, busdriver)

like, i had wws claim french. i peeked her. imagine if my peek returned british?

this is the scenario im trying to avoid

[Hally]

tbh actually mafia killing tim could be like a game losing play

they really had to target within the clears because like, eventually i will be confirmed and so will nut, lc, colin, tutuu, wwh and nanook

and like, i don’t think wolves have enough nights left to kill all the clear ppl if they didn’t start like... last night and even then it’s a stretch

but like i think no matter what kill they make there theyre fucked in some way

Please stop calling people confirmed then when they are not.

Tutuu is almost confirmed for redchecking mafia.
Nanoon is almost confirmed for shooting mafia.
WWH is confirmed because of my logic as to why mafia dont have a redirect, which you said you didnt understand.

Thats it.

Nobody else is really confirmed.

from MY pov, LC is confirmed to have not gone anywhere/done anything in the first night, unless someone with higher priority jacked me in the night.

people are confirmed, you just don’t understand why

[iaafr]

im asking for the nationalities now in case of mech shenanigans (redirector, miller/godfather, busdriver)

like, i had wws claim french. i peeked her. imagine if my peek returned british?

this is the scenario im trying to avoid

I'm from the republic of Geneva

already claimed n2 but figured you mighta missed it

[Benson]

im asking for the nationalities now in case of mech shenanigans (redirector, miller/godfather, busdriver)

like, i had wws claim french. i peeked her. imagine if my peek returned british?

this is the scenario im trying to avoid

No you're right. I forgot about redirections and such reveal itself in your peeks that way.

[tutuu]

thanks. im gonna compile a list

(im also paranoid of a dayvig shooting my ass so thats why just in case i want everything ready so i can write my nightly report as fast as i can)

[protocultures]

@protocultures I think Hally and Nutella are confirmed wolves and are trying to misyeet you. Will you vote them with me right now?

I townread you for thinking this.

if we are wrong, I almost get MLed next day and think we just lose from there.

Its why i wanted a check onto Hally or Nutella.

We might mech clear more people checking within our chain than checking a singular person in this POE, because we can also kill into POE instead of checking into POE.

the other reason is, we were probably winning and by confirming our chain of claims, we almost never lose. We CAN lose if mafia is within this "self clearing" chain.

I have nothing super strong to argue my case, I would say please wait until Dizzy claims to get more info before hammering someone.

My sleep schedule is slowly moving so it means I am always playing catchup instead of posting wall after wall as some people may be used to.

My lack of posting until late into the day/night cycle is probably getting me scumread.

I dont really scumread people for scumreading me. I am in POE and rightly so.

My counterpoint (which I could also make as mafia though so not clearing) is that I would make a claim like Hally's if I were mafia, not repeat a check made by Colin when claiming super late.

If you think my tinfoil game is strong, you have to assume my maf fake claim game is strong.

Do I really make a claim as bad as i did and say "kill me today"? You can say its WIFOM, but id rather just have a great claim that is hard to verify than rely on WIFOM to live.

[protocultures]

The fact Tutuu is not dead, means that Tutuu's check on WWH was not redirected.

Actually, talk to me about this first. I don't follow.

Theres only one saving PR claim - you.

if maf can redirect, they redirect benson and kill tutuu.

Tutuu didnt die, so tutuu was not redirected.

therefore tutuu's check on WWH is clean.

[nutella]

ahahhahaha it worked

[Benson]

ahahhahaha it worked

????????

[protocultures]

LC is confirmed from v!hallys pov so

he is impossible to tinfoil without also tinfoiling hally

the converse isnt true (w hally / v lc is possible), but yeah

probably just cant be lc

i still buy that hally just couldnt make that claim up as wolf

I dont understand Hally's clears. They ALL depend on MR being mafia. How does Hally KNOW that MR was mafia.

Why does Hally clear Nutella?

Why does Hally clear LC?

It all relies on MR being mafia. There is nothing to confirm MR was mafia.

I dont want to vote for Hally, I advocated a check on Hally.

if I die in poe, its whatever since I said its not terrible for me to die yesterday.

Because Hally redirected Radishes on to me, which used up my bulletproof vest. That proves Radish was scum, and was making the kill that night.

Scum-Hally world is that Hally tried to kill me directly (or someone on her team... bob?) and saw the opportunity to frame Radish for it, and concocted the redirecter scheme to clear herself.

Why cant MR be a town PR with a killing role?

[nutella]

ahahhahaha it worked

????????

proto fell for your trap, no?

[nutella]

mmm idk i still have doubts about proto