Grasslands [Game Thread]

#2501

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:24 pm why is that one post so clearing to you? that was super early before sloonei was a consensus sr sure but i feel like that's exactly the kind of early distancing read scum makes just so you'll find it later like this lol

or maybe i'm confbiasing but

i don't have the reaction you have to it *at all*

ok. i just don’t see why tutuu is scummy

#2502

maybe read sloonei's interactions with me before u say im scum??? wtf

every single night killed town has had me as a townread

nova - jay - alison

#2503

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:29 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:18 pm iirc martin also advocated for her own elimination in his scum game? @MartinGG99 can you confirm?
Its funny that I got reffered to as a "her", lol.
(It's not a big deal! Doesn't really matter to me)

I definitely did on my Newbies Paradise (#3 I think?) game on MU, before the mod-bot error. I was trying to force a clear of me because my scum-buddy might be eliminated soon and it was looking like a policy elimination of me in the F3.

sorry, i have no idea why i said her in one place and he in another

and ok, so you’re saying you would advocate your own elimination as scum if it seemed inevitable anyway?

#2504

phantom vote on martin

#2505

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:24 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:17 pm I know I've been caught into the "I've played so well all my reads are probably right so I'll totally die" mode as town even when it's unrealistic that I'll actually die even if my reads are right.
I never said I was going to 100% be the kill. Just probable.

Anyways I've had my reasons for discussing the NK's. If my theory was in any shape or form wrong (the three suspects) then any sort of NKA would be also wrong...because that theory assumes everyone outside of the three suspects is 100% town.

If my theory did apply, then well we have a free mischop outside of that theory to use to test it if we want as I've said. Presumably that may have meant an Alison mischop on D4 if I was shot. Then presumably everyone here would believe in my theory again because at that hypothetical point both me and Alison would've flipped green.

And if my theory didn't apply (because its wrong), then the NKA has little to no relevance what-so-ever.

I don't believe I have a great way to word it.... but basically I saw very little to no harm in discussing my theory. And if I was dying that night, then it would be best to emphasize that theory as my legacy read because I felt very confident in it.

Why did you think you would probably be the kill?

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2506

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:32 pm maybe read sloonei's interactions with me before u say im scum??? wtf

every single night killed town has had me as a townread

nova - jay - alison

yeah so

this post isn't doing you any favors in my view

#2507

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:35 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:32 pm maybe read sloonei's interactions with me before u say im scum??? wtf

every single night killed town has had me as a townread

nova - jay - alison
yeah so

this post isn't doing you any favors in my view

ok

#2508

i have clearly been in my town meta from day 1

i have not expressed a single behavior that i have not previously expressed in past town games

#2509

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:18 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:17 pm nooks entrance this day is towny because if he was scum he would probably fake being happy about sloonei’s flip or be all self-congratulatory but instead he’s like “i hate this because now i feel like im gonna blow the game in f3.” that’s a towny fear
I also don't think scum!nook would be bold enough at the start of D3 to say he's clear with such confidence.

I hunt for clears as both alignments tbh

#2510

jay who was defending sloonei and pushing alison was killed n2 when alison is town and sloonei is mafia. mafia went for hardcore wifom

i think its martin who wanted to freeze alison's lock townread on him

#2511

if anyone actually reads all interactions i've had with sloonei and thinks we're w/w they're being ridiculous in my opinion but i am biased since i do know im town

#2512

if martin is town then i think its spf due to neither spf nor hally dying

#2513

nut what is scummy about tutuu? like, what is the case on her? because i’m reading through tutuu’s interactions with sloonei (not just that one post) and i agree with her that she doesn’t look teamed with him

#2514

how many eliminations do we have? can we nuke all of martin/nook/tutuu?

#2515

honestly think it’s just martin

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2516

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:41 pm if anyone actually reads all interactions i've had with sloonei and thinks we're w/w they're being ridiculous in my opinion but i am biased since i do know im town

ok i just took a quick look and am convinced lol

for now

#2517

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:45 pm how many eliminations do we have? can we nuke all of martin/nook/tutuu?

we have 2 misyeets before lylo

we would lose if all 3 names on that list are town

i am not locked in on the last wolf being martin/nook. i am not happy with locking in that poe as well as my name being on there

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2518

martin = sheppard
nanook = jackofhearts
tutuu = sloonei (haha)

it's the same scenario as the finale. we have a safe poe of 3 but it's just martin and we get it today

#2519

alison would have still been in the poe even after sloonei's flip imo

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2520

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:48 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:45 pm how many eliminations do we have? can we nuke all of martin/nook/tutuu?
we have 2 misyeets before lylo

we would lose if all 3 names on that list are town

i am not locked in on the last wolf being martin/nook. i am not happy with locking in that poe as well as my name being on there

why not tho

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2521

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:45 pm honestly think it’s just martin

#2522

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:49 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:48 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:45 pm how many eliminations do we have? can we nuke all of martin/nook/tutuu?
we have 2 misyeets before lylo

we would lose if all 3 names on that list are town

i am not locked in on the last wolf being martin/nook. i am not happy with locking in that poe as well as my name being on there
why not tho

i think the last mafia is martin but if its not him i do not think i wish to gun for nanook and i know my alignment

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2523

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:49 pm martin = sheppard
nanook = jackofhearts
tutuu = sloonei (haha)

it's the same scenario as the finale. we have a safe poe of 3 but it's just martin and we get it today

im the joat and hally/thunal/spf are clear

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2524

Spoiler: show

#2525

[VOTE: MartinG99] aubergine

#2526

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:49 pm martin = sheppard
nanook = jackofhearts
tutuu = sloonei (haha)

it's the same scenario as the finale. we have a safe poe of 3 but it's just martin and we get it today

I’m not super comfortable clearing thun tbh

But also I’m unchoppable hee ho

#2527

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:35 pm Why did you think you would probably be the kill?

That was mentioned in the QT.

Tbh I'm a bit surprised they took Thunal33 anyways, though I did speculate on it earlier and they might be trying to WIFOM me lol.

Any kill outside of Thunal + Nutella gives me information and furthers my town or scum reads so yeah. Though I won't say which kill would concern me most other than myself.

Actually that might be what the NK is for.

/m10 Because I believe if my theory is right then all they can do is either shoot Alison + SPF + Hally

Hall + SPF mindmelded earlier and I believe its most likely not V/W

And if Sloonei is red, then there additional target to possibly shoot is Tutuu or Nook (whoevers green) and if they do that then its just outing imo.

Which just leaves me as a possible NK. And it might be the most effective one to kill a townie while maintaining paranoi

#2528

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:45 pm how many eliminations do we have? can we nuke all of martin/nook/tutuu?

Yes we can.

We have 2 ML's to spare before a must eliminate-correctly gamestate.

Hence my confidence in the 3 suspects theory.

#2529

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:05 pm Hence my confidence in the 3 suspects theory.

Among many other reasons that were aforementioned by me.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2530

[mention]tutuu[/mention]

[VOTE: martin] aubergine

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2531

martin is actually reminding me of sheppard in some indescribable ways

#2532

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:07 pm martin is actually reminding me of sheppard in some indescribable ways

somehow i understand what you mean

#2533

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:49 pm martin = sheppard
nanook = jackofhearts
tutuu = sloonei (haha)

it's the same scenario as the finale. we have a safe poe of 3 but it's just martin and we get it today

Really? You're make a SHEPPARD comparison? I literally talked about this in the QT:

I think Sheppard from the Champ Finals possibly rubbed off on your paranoia too much tbh.

That guy had years (Probably?) of experience in IRL mafia. While I imagine IRL mafia is significantly different than forum, some principles likely stayed the same regardless.

Me? I never really played anything with similar principles of "towniness" or "scumminess" in comparison to Forum Mafia. I used to play a lot of the video game (Starcraft II) version of it, called -Mafia-, but in reality that game is just a bunch of PR madness and almost nothing of it relies on discussion or whatever. There are no reads lists or "towniness" or "scumminess". There's just power role claims, fake claims, and just mechanical play, and the town never really cooperates unless there's a power role (Mayor or Marshall) that reveals. And it lasts about 20-40 minutes at most. Or on the off chance that the town just lol's it and just randomly eliminates a player on Day 1.

In a way, I've had to start 100% brand new to the idea of Forum Mafia except for knowing how phases work and mechanics. Nothing about town play or scum play whatever.

That comparison is inherently wrong aside from the # of games played. That guy probably had experience in IRL mafia that he could transport into FM after he got comfortable being town in his first two games.

Don't get me wrong, what he did was a bit surprising and well-done but to just apply that to me and all other newbies without consideration for prior experience in other formats of Mafia is just wholeheartedly wrong.

#2534

i don’t get why we all decided tutuu should be in the poe at some point. i feel like she’s always just been town!tutuu

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2535

it's not because you're new it's just like.... your approach to the current situation somehow. like i said idk how to describe it

#2536

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:06 pm @tutuu

[VOTE: martin] aubergine

awww

ty

i forgive u for jumping on my throat earlier. and i guess i would forgive u if u eventually misyeet me if martin somehow is town

<3

#2537

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:11 pm it's not because you're new it's just like.... your approach to the current situation somehow. like i said idk how to describe it

That's fine.

I'm not worried tbh, except for possibly future games with me in them.

I just want the record straight that we're not thinking I'm Sheppard here, even if it was sort of a joke.

its fine with me if you think I'm scummy and/or will eliminate me today, but it sort of ticks me off if people think I'm Sheppard.

#2538

im kinda in awe at how hard i leveled myself last day lmao

#2539

i know that we're all excited by the scum flip but can we ~~please~~ take our time today? i still need to analyze sloonei's interactions with everyone and seeing everyone jump to definitive conclusions makes me nervous, lol

#2540

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:51 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:49 pm martin = sheppard
nanook = jackofhearts
tutuu = sloonei (haha)

it's the same scenario as the finale. we have a safe poe of 3 but it's just martin and we get it today
im the joat and hally/thunal/spf are clear

I cc JOAT!!!

#2541

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:52 pm [VOTE: MartinG99] aubergine

Can we not snap vote? We have at least a day to think about this, let's use our time wisely.

#2542

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:03 pm If it's not Alison, Martin becomes the most obvious suspect.

Beyond that, nanook and tutuu are the names that feel the least stable.

After them, we are getting into the towncore at its coriest. I don't have time to do a bunch more ISOs. I can skim some stuff though.

@everyone -

do we think that sloonei would throw his partner into this list?

#2543

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:52 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:52 pm [VOTE: MartinG99] aubergine
Can we not snap vote? We have at least a day to think about this, let's use our time wisely.

he voted me first so yell at him not at me

#2544

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:53 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:03 pm If it's not Alison, Martin becomes the most obvious suspect.

Beyond that, nanook and tutuu are the names that feel the least stable.

After them, we are getting into the towncore at its coriest. I don't have time to do a bunch more ISOs. I can skim some stuff though.
@everyone -

do we think that sloonei would throw his partner into this list?

my initial reaction is to not read into this since this feels like the consensus poe for everyone regardless

#2545

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:54 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:52 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:52 pm [VOTE: MartinG99] aubergine
Can we not snap vote? We have at least a day to think about this, let's use our time wisely.
he voted me first so yell at him not at me

I'm more talking to everyone who voted, not just you. It's just concerning to me that Martin has 3 votes already when we haven't even done our research yet (looked at Sloonei interactions with the PoE in depth).

#2546

how did tutuu interact with sloonei?

viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=674840#p674840 is a nice look for tutuu - she directly and aggressively calls out sloonei early on in the game before any real amount of pressure has fallen onto him

again, the early push on viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=675260#p675260 reflects well on tutuu, and in retrospect, it almost feels like tutuu's early suspicion/callout of sloonei's scumhunting is what brought so much pressure to sloonei in the first place

it is a little weird that tutuu goes from putting a ton of pressure on sloonei to townreading sloonei on viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=675563#p675563 - tutuu and sloonei had no interactions between tutuu scumreading sloonei and tutuu townreading sloonei, so what changed?

when thunal asks tutuu to break down her tr on sloonei on viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=675582#p675582, tutuu says that she doesn't know and just put sloonei down there because she felt like it. shrug

viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=676127#p676127 is almost a pointless post to make about sloonei if tutuu was partnered w/him. it takes a lot of creativity as mafia to say that someone's scum flip (who is actually town) will spew your partner as clear, and im inclined to think that this was a genuine thought from tutuu

tutuu goes back to fosing sloonei toward the end of d1, and even puts a vote on him. her explanation on viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=676463#p676463 is alright - but why did she go from sr'ing him to tr'ing him to sr'ing him again? where is the thought process behind that progression?

coming into d2, tutuu continues to hard scumread sloonei on viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=676869#p676869, and puts him at the bottom of her scum list

tutuu shows some passive aggressiveness about sloonei still being alive toward the end of d2 on viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=677546#p677546 - this is an okay look for tutuu, but it almost feels tmi-y lol

after making several posts where she confidently says that sloonei is the mafia, tutuu starts showing some reluctance toward sloonei on d3 - she says that he might be town on viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=677546#p677546 and even theorizes that sloonei/alison are both town on viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=678628#p678628. she ends up joining the wagon on him toward the end of the day

how did sloonei interact with tutuu?

viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=675459#p675459 looks more like an early pocket than it does partner interaction

it's notable that sloonei does not seem to respond to or engage with tutuu's early pressure on d1 - he sidestepped it completely

interesting that sloonei chooses to throw tutuu's name in as a possible doc save on viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=676217#p676217

viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=676555#p676555 is a weird interaction, but it's probably a point in favor of tutuu being town, because i have a feeling that tutuu's attitude toward her partner trying to question her would not be so flippant and uninterested

viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=678311#p678311 is a weird post from sloonei - he talks about tutuu extensively and appears to be building up to confidently tr her, but he hedges on her alignment at the end and acts like she isn't as clear as he would like her to be. if sloonei's strategy was to pocket tutuu, i dont understand what intent this type of shade even had

a LOT more hedginess toward tutuu on viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=678765#p678765 that still ends up concluding that tutuu is more likely town than not. the amount of focus on tutuu combined with the hedginess is weird

conclusion: i think that this mostly looks good for tutuu. there are a couple of moments that give me concern here - tutuu changed her read on sloonei aggressively and confidently multiple times without any clear sense of progression or thought process, and sloonei continually townread tutuu while throwing shade on her constantly toward the end of d3 and acting paranoid toward her. i would really like to hear other peoples thoughts about these interactions, but my gut tells me that they point to tutuu being town

#2547

Also, Nutella is about 102% clear right now so I advocate that she should get the save again.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2548

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:53 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:03 pm If it's not Alison, Martin becomes the most obvious suspect.

Beyond that, nanook and tutuu are the names that feel the least stable.

After them, we are getting into the towncore at its coriest. I don't have time to do a bunch more ISOs. I can skim some stuff though.
@everyone -

do we think that sloonei would throw his partner into this list?

Yes

Also note that in the grassland he said nanook/alison was his "guess" for the team with "martin if I'm wrong" but obv with the alison flip that's all wifom anyway. Tbh it does kinda make me wonder about the pairing of nanook with alison, but I did already think that was the only scenario nanook really made sense as scum from the LC vote. So I think the martin placement is worse.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2549

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:56 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:54 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:52 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:52 pm [VOTE: MartinG99] aubergine
Can we not snap vote? We have at least a day to think about this, let's use our time wisely.
he voted me first so yell at him not at me
I'm more talking to everyone who voted, not just you. It's just concerning to me that Martin has 3 votes already when we haven't even done our research yet (looked at Sloonei interactions with the PoE in depth).

I prob shouldn't have voted so early but tbf I had been torn between the two and made my decision after reviewing tutuu's sloonei interactions. Just saying I did do some amount of research so it wasn't just a blind snap vote

#2550

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:15 pm sloonei's reaction when he sees he somehow survived another day without getting yeeted

thanks for reminding me about this spf rofl

let me try to look over the stuff where u say i seemingly changed my read for no reason. see if i can clear it up

Who is the last bad apple?