The Simpsons [GAME OVER]

[PonySparkPrime]

[Paprika]

Grampa's EoD2 looked pretty good. I liked our interactions and he did seems genuine in his thoughts and considering the different cases I had. Would like to hear more from him since his 2 main suspects just flipped civ. He's been trending up.

Trying to ISO Lisa with an unforgiving perspective admittedly does make her look worse than null

okay I had a whole post written out but it was word soup and I would've been guilty of that "so many paragraphs just to say a sentence worth of content" push that was used against you (inaccurately, IMO, but still)

I was going to try and argue against your "hand in every jar" argument, and propose a "she mostly town-read the dominant wagons before dipping" alternative, but when I really got down to it, her commentary about the wagons is about equal to her commentary about chopping slankers, Marge shading, and then D2 Allison shading. She's maintained a Burns scum-lean D1 and D2, voted him D2. I can't tell if she scum-leans Marge or not. I think so? She voted Marge D1 and shaded her D2, so... probably? There's just very little to work with. She doesn't say more than one or two things about any subject. Your "hand in every jar" argument is bang on.

From what I can glean, her POE is Bart, Marge, Burns, Allison, with Burns being her strongest(?) lean

Her town is... CBG? She sided with me on D1 but in a really indirect way, so can't say I'm there, especially since she called me desperate because of a bad sentence in my D2 entrance. Town-read Grumple D1 and switched that D2, but didn't commit to calling him wolf-y. Still, probably not a town-lean. And... that's it.

her only town read was the D2 wagon, and she only revealed that a few hours before the chop

I wonder, who was this paragraph aimed at?

Krusty I think?

I'd need to check. I just remember someone quoted Hugh's wall when he became active and ragged on him for saying nothing in a lot of words to fake participation

[Paprika]

I can post a reads list if you really want me to. Like i said, i respond to stuff that seems important to respond to.

Not sure revealing my townread a few hours before they get chopped is bad, it's probably the best time for it. Too bad i don't have enough influence to do anything with that. Not sure how i can not have my hands in every jar. You're either really bad at looking at more than a few people or not paying attention, or i don't know what the term means.

that'd be cool

I don't think revealing your town-read on CBG is bad, it just stood out that in hindsight the only person you really voiced a solid town-lean on was him, and only right before EOD

if you have other town-reads it'd be great to know them

What I meant by having a hand in every jar is that you made one or two posts about every/most confrontation(s) and then dropped them and moved on to something else. You're poking holes and participating, but it's... soft? That doesn't make sense. Hugh described it better. Like you're saying things to be seen but not seen too closely. That said, you have been consistent on shading Marge and Burns both D1 and D2 through it all

I don't know if I scum-read you to the point of being bottom of POE. I had to do my second ISO with a specific "looking for a problem" perspective and didn't really come back with a smoking gun that says you're a scummy scum scum. It pushed you slightly south of null and Hugh made a good point where my lowest POE is now eliminated and there wasn't a wolf to be found. I'll probably try and find someone else to take the mantle of most suss without trailing straight into tinfoil territory, but the "going for the obvious choice" route is sure as shit not working out

fuck if I know where to go, though. Maybe the people I read as "fine" but nothing more. I'll let it percolate

[PonySparkPrime]

Grampa's EoD2 looked pretty good. I liked our interactions and he did seems genuine in his thoughts and considering the different cases I had. Would like to hear more from him since his 2 main suspects just flipped civ. He's been trending up.

Trying to ISO Lisa with an unforgiving perspective admittedly does make her look worse than null

okay I had a whole post written out but it was word soup and I would've been guilty of that "so many paragraphs just to say a sentence worth of content" push that was used against you (inaccurately, IMO, but still)

I was going to try and argue against your "hand in every jar" argument, and propose a "she mostly town-read the dominant wagons before dipping" alternative, but when I really got down to it, her commentary about the wagons is about equal to her commentary about chopping slankers, Marge shading, and then D2 Allison shading. She's maintained a Burns scum-lean D1 and D2, voted him D2. I can't tell if she scum-leans Marge or not. I think so? She voted Marge D1 and shaded her D2, so... probably? There's just very little to work with. She doesn't say more than one or two things about any subject. Your "hand in every jar" argument is bang on.

From what I can glean, her POE is Bart, Marge, Burns, Allison, with Burns being her strongest(?) lean

Her town is... CBG? She sided with me on D1 but in a really indirect way, so can't say I'm there, especially since she called me desperate because of a bad sentence in my D2 entrance. Town-read Grumple D1 and switched that D2, but didn't commit to calling him wolf-y. Still, probably not a town-lean. And... that's it.

her only town read was the D2 wagon, and she only revealed that a few hours before the chop

I wonder, who was this paragraph aimed at?

Krusty I think?

I'd need to check. I just remember someone quoted Hugh's wall when he became active and ragged on him for saying nothing in a lot of words to fake participation

I think it was me, the fact you forgot is nice and a plus imo

[Marge Simpson]

sap

will pick up steam

but for now i’m laughing at the amount of shit i got for town reading homer D1

[Marge Simpson]

idk what y'all do. maybe it's normal to policy execute inactives at whatever league of legends forum you guys came from.

L M A O

[Marge Simpson]

I kinda wanna say Burns is just Tim?

If he ever inned the game.

[dodo]

Night 2




Breaking news, Springfield: another disappearance in connection to the Lincoln Squirrel assassination plot is being reported tonight.
Local man Homer Simpson, a devoted husband and so-so father, has been reported missing. Last seen departing from a local drinking establishment, Simpson was considered a key witness in the investigation into the murder of Springfield's most cherished rodent. In spite of Simpson's demonstrated lack of awareness and reprehensible personal hygeine, police believed he may have held the key to unraveling the conspiracy. Some have wondered whether the investigation can even continue without a character of his magnitude in the fold.


Homer Simpson has been abducted. He was Vanilla Town.
It is Day 3. You have 48 hours to eliminate somebody.

[Hugh Jass]

I can see the pinked as a dichotomy, i would like 2 more short sentences about that.

It isn't.

[Hugh Jass]

But Hugh was there to socialise, not to find who killed Homer

[VOTE: @HUGH JASS ] aubergine

That's not a socialising post, it's a response to 935 wanting to hear where Burn's head is at and his though. I don't care about the Homer kill, see post 946.

I'm town, move along. Thanks.

[Hugh Jass]

Also don't tag me in a post you're voting me, that's rude lol.

[Julinook]

I'm awake and caught up. Not super sure what to do in this gamestate. Hugh makes a decent point about WIFOM and I agree that scum teams work in mysterious ways so I won't discount Lisa. The wagon on CBG going from zero to a hundred right after Lisa's wagon picked up steam is a bad look for her - makes it look like mafia were piling onto LHF at the last second to try to protect Lisa? My problem with that theory is that the wagon looks pretty pure overall. The player there with the most chance of being Lisa's wolf buddy is probably Grampa? He was "null" on Lisa for most of the day, if Lisa flips red he's the first person I'd be looking at. Conversely if Lisa flips red I'd feel very good about everyone on the Lisa wagon, because it would be pretty risky for mafia to bus in such a close situation.

[Julinook]

Marge gloating about correctly townreading Homer is pretty townie I think. As much as I was annoyed with Krusty for his scumread on me I think it's probably >rand town in that he was pretty keyed up/unhappy with the gamestate and aggro towards people he perceived as wolf, where I think wolves would take a softer approach towards the game right now with a bad start for town and a couple of players with low activity. Burns looks good for similar reasons.

Lisa's posts today have been pretty meh. I don't like that her only post D3 is a self-defense post complaining about being scumread rather than offering any takes of her own. [VOTE: Lisa] aubergine

[Julinook]

The way Hugh invoked the Grasslands WIFOM kill is probably a towntell if I'm correct about who he is. If I'm wrong then it doesn't mean anything lol. But Grasslands spec chat only had a few people in it so he has to be either one of them or one of the people in the playerlist, and his posting style rules out quite a few people on that list (eg. dunya, tutuu, nanook).

[NurseWilgy]

Grampa's EoD2 looked pretty good. I liked our interactions and he did seems genuine in his thoughts and considering the different cases I had. Would like to hear more from him since his 2 main suspects just flipped civ. He's been trending up.

Trying to ISO Lisa with an unforgiving perspective admittedly does make her look worse than null

okay I had a whole post written out but it was word soup and I would've been guilty of that "so many paragraphs just to say a sentence worth of content" push that was used against you (inaccurately, IMO, but still)

I was going to try and argue against your "hand in every jar" argument, and propose a "she mostly town-read the dominant wagons before dipping" alternative, but when I really got down to it, her commentary about the wagons is about equal to her commentary about chopping slankers, Marge shading, and then D2 Allison shading. She's maintained a Burns scum-lean D1 and D2, voted him D2. I can't tell if she scum-leans Marge or not. I think so? She voted Marge D1 and shaded her D2, so... probably? There's just very little to work with. She doesn't say more than one or two things about any subject. Your "hand in every jar" argument is bang on.

From what I can glean, her POE is Bart, Marge, Burns, Allison, with Burns being her strongest(?) lean

Her town is... CBG? She sided with me on D1 but in a really indirect way, so can't say I'm there, especially since she called me desperate because of a bad sentence in my D2 entrance. Town-read Grumple D1 and switched that D2, but didn't commit to calling him wolf-y. Still, probably not a town-lean. And... that's it.

her only town read was the D2 wagon, and she only revealed that a few hours before the chop

I wonder, who was this paragraph aimed at?

Probably me. I take issue with verbose posts, and delight in the concise.

[NurseWilgy]

Marge gloating about correctly townreading Homer is pretty townie I think. As much as I was annoyed with Krusty for his scumread on me I think it's probably >rand town in that he was pretty keyed up/unhappy with the gamestate and aggro towards people he perceived as wolf, where I think wolves would take a softer approach towards the game right now with a bad start for town and a couple of players with low activity. Burns looks good for similar reasons.

Lisa's posts today have been pretty meh. I don't like that her only post D3 is a self-defense post complaining about being scumread rather than offering any takes of her own. [VOTE: Lisa] aubergine

Yeah, my bad. Tho I found, and still find, your post scummy, I came about it the wrong way and was def more aggro than you deserve. Mea Culpa.



But I've had a nap, juice box and some string cheese, so I've calmed down now.

[Alison]

It's cool, I don't take things personally. Where are you at in terms of reads Krusty?

[Julinook]

Oops. Please don't modkill me Sloonei.

It was kinda obvious anyway but I feel bad for internally going "wow, why would you do that" at Mac's claim and then slipping myself.

[Marge Simpson]

Lawl

[NurseWilgy]

It's cool, I don't take things personally. Where are you at in terms of reads Krusty?

Honestly, it's a bit of a clusterfuck right now.


Going off the mislynches and MKs being fairly low posters, I'm inclined to switch gears and go after high post count/word count players. I've heard it said that Syndicate scum try harder than TP, which puts you, Hugh, & Grampa at the top of the pile.


Skinner looking for a sub, so I guess I'll leave him be for now.

Can't say I'm a fan of the Marge pop in recently, nor of Lisa's game overall.


I suppose it's easier to list my Town Reads: Otto, Burns, Bart, Grumple

[NurseWilgy]

TBH, Otto is a good deepwolf candidate. He's been universally TR, but the Maf are happy to keep him alive? I dunno, Maf usually take down those kind of townies where I usually play.


His meta lines up with his usual town play, but this is a different forum, and I'll not say the dude is incapable of progressing his game...far from it.


He's still town to me for now, but goddammit Otto, if you're scum? Imma burn your house down.

[NurseWilgy]

Oh for fucks sakes.


Tracker my ass. Are wolves trying to set up a mislynch? Don't see why, we're doing a good enough job on our own.


Skinner. Gotta go.

my instinct here was to say "that would be dumb" but Skinner was both a no-show and a no-vote D2, so it's not like he'd be a game-changing wagon vote

But I think pushing Skinner today is needless. Not sure what we really gain from it unless someone is willing to counterclaim and has something tangible to say. And there are obvious flaws in the "maybe someone will counterclaim" idea.

If Skinner's the tracker he's lock town, so he shouldn't be chopped, ever. Even if he's not around. We have no way of confirming that he's the tracker. If he's not the tracker, he's guaranteed his own demise, because wolves can't have even a slanking lock-town villager in the late game. So if he makes it to the end game there's obviously some fuckery afoot. In both scenarios, there's no gain in town chopping him.

why would we do this

of all the people, you want to chop the slanking tracker claim? Do you genuinely believe he's the best option? He can still come back and be active. I know Otto sussed the claim D2, but unless someone knows something I don't, there's not a huge reason to think he's a wolf. bad play, yes, but the claim should protect him from wagons (that is, after all, why he claimed D1).

this ain't it

This whole post could've been reduced to these 4 sentences. The rest is fluff.


Death to the fluffers.

[Paprika]

Oh for fucks sakes.


Tracker my ass. Are wolves trying to set up a mislynch? Don't see why, we're doing a good enough job on our own.


Skinner. Gotta go.

my instinct here was to say "that would be dumb" but Skinner was both a no-show and a no-vote D2, so it's not like he'd be a game-changing wagon vote

But I think pushing Skinner today is needless. Not sure what we really gain from it unless someone is willing to counterclaim and has something tangible to say. And there are obvious flaws in the "maybe someone will counterclaim" idea.

If Skinner's the tracker he's lock town, so he shouldn't be chopped, ever. Even if he's not around. We have no way of confirming that he's the tracker. If he's not the tracker, he's guaranteed his own demise, because wolves can't have even a slanking lock-town villager in the late game. So if he makes it to the end game there's obviously some fuckery afoot. In both scenarios, there's no gain in town chopping him.

why would we do this

of all the people, you want to chop the slanking tracker claim? Do you genuinely believe he's the best option? He can still come back and be active. I know Otto sussed the claim D2, but unless someone knows something I don't, there's not a huge reason to think he's a wolf. bad play, yes, but the claim should protect him from wagons (that is, after all, why he claimed D1).

this ain't it

This whole post could've been reduced to these 4 sentences. The rest is fluff.


Death to the fluffers.

i know you are but what am i

[Marge Simpson]

TBH, Otto is a good deepwolf candidate. He's been universally TR, but the Maf are happy to keep him alive? I dunno, Maf usually take down those kind of townies where I usually play.


His meta lines up with his usual town play, but this is a different forum, and I'll not say the dude is incapable of progressing his game...far from it.


He's still town to me for now, but goddammit Otto, if you're scum? Imma burn your house down.

I have no idea who it is.

[Marge Simpson]

I know I keep having wolfy pop-ins but I really have stuff to do.

Will start not being underwhelming as the day moves forward.

[NurseWilgy]

Oh for fucks sakes.


Tracker my ass. Are wolves trying to set up a mislynch? Don't see why, we're doing a good enough job on our own.


Skinner. Gotta go.

my instinct here was to say "that would be dumb" but Skinner was both a no-show and a no-vote D2, so it's not like he'd be a game-changing wagon vote

But I think pushing Skinner today is needless. Not sure what we really gain from it unless someone is willing to counterclaim and has something tangible to say. And there are obvious flaws in the "maybe someone will counterclaim" idea.

If Skinner's the tracker he's lock town, so he shouldn't be chopped, ever. Even if he's not around. We have no way of confirming that he's the tracker. If he's not the tracker, he's guaranteed his own demise, because wolves can't have even a slanking lock-town villager in the late game. So if he makes it to the end game there's obviously some fuckery afoot. In both scenarios, there's no gain in town chopping him.

why would we do this

of all the people, you want to chop the slanking tracker claim? Do you genuinely believe he's the best option? He can still come back and be active. I know Otto sussed the claim D2, but unless someone knows something I don't, there's not a huge reason to think he's a wolf. bad play, yes, but the claim should protect him from wagons (that is, after all, why he claimed D1).

this ain't it

This whole post could've been reduced to these 4 sentences. The rest is fluff.


Death to the fluffers.

i know you are but what am i

That's actually pretty flawless logic, well played.

[Sloonei]

A new user has assumed control over Principal Skinner. Please make no further mention of this event.

[tessepia]

TBH, Otto is a good deepwolf candidate. He's been universally TR, but the Maf are happy to keep him alive? I dunno, Maf usually take down those kind of townies where I usually play.


His meta lines up with his usual town play, but this is a different forum, and I'll not say the dude is incapable of progressing his game...far from it.


He's still town to me for now, but goddammit Otto, if you're scum? Imma burn your house down.

:woozyface:

Why do you keep talking about Skinner? Skinner asked for sub.
And "TBH", bruh. Feels bad man

[tessepia]

TBH, Otto is a good deepwolf candidate. He's been universally TR, but the Maf are happy to keep him alive? I dunno, Maf usually take down those kind of townies where I usually play.


His meta lines up with his usual town play, but this is a different forum, and I'll not say the dude is incapable of progressing his game...far from it.


He's still town to me for now, but goddammit Otto, if you're scum? Imma burn your house down.

:woozyface:

Why do you keep talking about Skinner? Skinner asked for sub.
And "TBH", bruh. Feels bad man

[My Shell]

Morning kid.

<slips Bart a pack of smokes>

[My Shell]

I kinda wanna say Burns is just Tim?

If he ever inned the game.

You vote for me two days in a row...now you call me Tim and don't vote for me.

Excelllent.

Smithers, follow this blue haired woman and keep reminding her that she thinks I am this mysterious person.

[NurseWilgy]

TBH, Otto is a good deepwolf candidate. He's been universally TR, but the Maf are happy to keep him alive? I dunno, Maf usually take down those kind of townies where I usually play.


His meta lines up with his usual town play, but this is a different forum, and I'll not say the dude is incapable of progressing his game...far from it.


He's still town to me for now, but goddammit Otto, if you're scum? Imma burn your house down.

:woozyface:

Why do you keep talking about Skinner? Skinner asked for sub.
And "TBH", bruh. Feels bad man

Odd response. I didn't even mention Skinner in the quoted post.

[tessepia]

TBH, Otto is a good deepwolf candidate. He's been universally TR, but the Maf are happy to keep him alive? I dunno, Maf usually take down those kind of townies where I usually play.


His meta lines up with his usual town play, but this is a different forum, and I'll not say the dude is incapable of progressing his game...far from it.


He's still town to me for now, but goddammit Otto, if you're scum? Imma burn your house down.

:woozyface:

Why do you keep talking about Skinner? Skinner asked for sub.
And "TBH", bruh. Feels bad man

Odd response. I didn't even mention Skinner in the quoted post.

But in the post directly above it you did. And Skinner had already requested a sub. So yeah

[tessepia]

TBH, Otto is a good deepwolf candidate. He's been universally TR, but the Maf are happy to keep him alive? I dunno, Maf usually take down those kind of townies where I usually play.


His meta lines up with his usual town play, but this is a different forum, and I'll not say the dude is incapable of progressing his game...far from it.


He's still town to me for now, but goddammit Otto, if you're scum? Imma burn your house down.

:woozyface:

Why do you keep talking about Skinner? Skinner asked for sub.
And "TBH", bruh. Feels bad man

Odd response. I didn't even mention Skinner in the quoted post.

But in the post directly above it you did. And Skinner had already requested a sub. So yeah

[tessepia]

Getting the feeling there's at least one wolf amongst our most influential posters - Allison, Jass and Burns.
My strongest town read is still Allison though and I'm not struggling to figure why she's been left alive, and it's the same reason I'm still here, scum reads have been bad.

I'm looking at Jass and Burns as a w/v or w/w but can't pick anything from their ISO that really screams wolf with exception of Jass's death by paperwork factor and my early to and fro with Burns which was only buried by the v/v read from Allison.

Outside of a strong town lean on Allison I don't have shit for townies with the exception of Skinner's sub and my town read of Krusty is waning with his need to continue on about Skinner, which also leaves me putting the wonder twins at the bottom of the pile as well.

Lisa.. there's still something there. I'll ISO on my lunch break and see if there's anything I notice other than I feel like she's just coasting.

[tessepia]

Phone posting is a struggle here.

[Marge Simpson]

I kinda wanna say Burns is just Tim?

If he ever inned the game.

You vote for me two days in a row...now you call me Tim and don't vote for me.

Excelllent.

Smithers, follow this blue haired woman and keep reminding her that she thinks I am this mysterious person.

[Hugh Jass]

Pretty long post, open at your own peril.

Spoiler: show

Going over Burns D1 post in a pseudo iso and writing out my thoughts on each of them. This isn't really to case him, more like to see how I really feel about him and help myself by putting in into writing. Most of my thoughts on D2 and D3 are in the thread since I interacted with most of them. He's been in my PoE and we'e clashed at first but we cool now. Still think he's probably scum but I like him and kind of don't have the energy to push him nor do I actually want to if that makes sense. Might confirmate bias myself into oblivion lol

Excellent...Smithers, have the hounds run down these wolves.

This is fair. I usually tend to pay attention to entry posts with wolves usually having trouble breaking in and getting comfortable. Using the theme as an icebreaker to ease in into the thread is usually a ping especially when there is a contrast with their follow up and getting down to business.

It don't apply here as I mentioned before with the anon and theme dynamic.

I like bait votes.
CBG and Krusty both seemed like decent odds at town, was hoping for a wolfy entrance vote from one of the slank.
C'est la vie

Since you appear to be referring to ME as a "slank," you slow witted youth, I will inform you that there seems to have been something interfering with my account. I am certain it had nothing to do with any sort of leakage from the plant and that there is no possibility of everyone in Springfield turning yellow! Errr...

Smithers! Show that EPA inspector the bottom of the cooling towers right away!

Still in roleplay mode. Meh. I believe the technical issues he encountered but it's NAI. Could be scum and ran into the same issue. Probably sockpuppets issue since they're re-used.

Feeling the same way with Burns saying his acct was messed up.

I lumped Burns, Skinner, Milhouse and Hugh Jass as the slanking mafia earlier then boom, both Skinner and Burns pop in with excuse posts.

Gross

Yeah yeah, you had the wolves just jump in your lap...you're a hero...easy game...now what?

Smithers, feed this carcass to the squirrels.

This is some energy I guess lol. Understand being irritated if he had account issues and just got in the thread, then it get painted as a pop in excuse post as if he was avoiding the thread. Don't think he's that kind of wolf seeing his attitude.

I'm feeling good about Otto and slightly better about Krusty (and I was already a little better than null on him). I'm taking "coming into the thread purely to make Simpsons references" as a null behavior right now, because a lot of people have done that. I think I like Burns' excuse more than Skinner's - having account issues is something that is very rare for mafia members to lie about, especially in a game as chill and laidback as this one.

what kind of issues tho

surely the host tested the sockpuppets before doling them out

If you must know...our host has a formality issue and I left out the period.

Smithers! Get on this old fart's lawn and so not get off until he screams his last!

Same thing.

Alisson Taylor and Otto Mann are taking this game very seriously very early...I can't decide whether to sheep them or suss them.

I hate this post. It doesn't offer anything at all except shading Alison and Otto who were the main active voices in the thread and generating content. It's the kind of remarks and thoughts that don't come from a town pov imo, there is no genuine paranoia behind it or something that look like actually pinged him that would bring him to that though. Just fear mongering with superficial bullshit. It's also way too early into the game, and there is nothing wrong with trying very early. It's especially weird when he later on seemed to have gripped with Marge "Wolves are the one that care" and her suspecting him.

it's been a while for me. is "player salad" still commonly known meta or has that been largely debunked.

what is player salad

It's where you list most if not all the players in the game in a post, vaguely grouping them into categories that aren't really meaningful and with a disclaimer that names in the groups are in no particular order either, then toss with oil and vinegar and vote for whoever slips out while pretending that you justified your vote.

Nice guy Mr Burns helping a senior citizen. I have a different definition of a player salad fwiw, it's more about listing several names as your elimination targets. Like " I can go for X, Y, Z and A" without actually stating any preference or order whatsoever.

Alisson Taylor and Otto Mann are taking this game very seriously very early...I can't decide whether to sheep them or suss them.

Do you mean others didn't take it seriously? Like i was goofing around for eg?

Well youngster, one might expect a key figure in the running of Springfield, like myself, to be more serious. But for these two to have abandoned what we in the huge capitalist owners of nuclear power plants class like to call the "shitposting phase" so quickly speaks to an agenda. The problem is that without knowing who is behind them I can't tell if the agenda is wolfy, or if they are just serious try hards who are not flowing with the flavor.

Smithers! Get this young man a soda pop, then have the hounds chase him off the property.

Don't like this follow up at all. You don't need to know who's behind the sockpuppets. You get your take on their agenda from their posts if you're genuinely wanting to figure them out. Fake paranoia I say.

Alisson Taylor and Otto Mann are taking this game very seriously very early...I can't decide whether to sheep them or suss them.

Do you mean others didn't take it seriously? Like i was goofing around for eg?

Well youngster, one might expect a key figure in the running of Springfield, like myself, to be more serious. But for these two to have abandoned what we in the huge capitalist owners of nuclear power plants class like to call the "shitposting phase" so quickly speaks to an agenda. The problem is that without knowing who is behind them I can't tell if the agenda is wolfy, or if they are just serious try hards who are not flowing with the flavor.

Smithers! Get this young man a soda pop, then have the hounds chase him off the property.

Isn't the lack of meta what made you play this game? Complaining you can't read intentions so early shows you too are starting to take the game too seriously
I still need to have more fun



Keep your soda, i can't be pocketed so easy

Who said I was complaining?

<takes and drinks the soda>

Suit yourself then, cheeky little urchin.

Smithers! The hounds!

Strawman alert.

C- It's not so much the current gamestate, more the thinking that a lot of scum have a hard time entering the thread and subsequently end up a very low poster early game as they struggle to find an opening that feels comfortable.

This is not true of most Syndicate wolves. You will catch the occasional one with an awkward opening but many Syndicate scum players have no issue with power wolfing and there are very few chronic slankers here.

I like Grumple's posting this page. Not that I agree with his read on Otto, but the way he approached it and broke down Otto's post that he thought was player salad, moved onto a series of probing questions and then backed off after a bit to stop himself from tunnelling was a pretty townie approach.

That may or may not be true about Syndicate, but they still need an opening to enter the game. Players entering with shitposts or excuses after conversation worthy content has been established looks bad to me.

I agree on Grumple for the most part. Their tunnel actually felt like a nice cozy pocket I could hang in for a bit.

What?

You think just because someone gets to the thread a little early and you got serious before you turned around twice they shouldn't get to shitpost?

In a game based on The Simpsons??

Where they have gone to the lengths of a Simpsons character sockpuppet account to play with???

You're lucky I stopped shitposting long enough to make this post...and mostly I'm only being serious because my dodgy internet has me in such an ill humor. If I get this shit straightened out I'll probably get right back into character and have you dumped in the green glowing pool out back.

tl;dr...I think you have thrown a lot of shade so far, but in pretty much every case it was thinly backed, if at all...like you are looking for an easy push.

Lot of gotcha questions. Interesting sus on Otto, not sure I had the same take on his early play. Was a solid town lean very early, we'll Burns progression.

C- It's not so much the current gamestate, more the thinking that a lot of scum have a hard time entering the thread and subsequently end up a very low poster early game as they struggle to find an opening that feels comfortable.

This is not true of most Syndicate wolves. You will catch the occasional one with an awkward opening but many Syndicate scum players have no issue with power wolfing and there are very few chronic slankers here.

I like Grumple's posting this page. Not that I agree with his read on Otto, but the way he approached it and broke down Otto's post that he thought was player salad, moved onto a series of probing questions and then backed off after a bit to stop himself from tunnelling was a pretty townie approach.

That may or may not be true about Syndicate, but they still need an opening to enter the game. Players entering with shitposts or excuses after conversation worthy content has been established looks bad to me.

I agree on Grumple for the most part. Their tunnel actually felt like a nice cozy pocket I could hang in for a bit.

What?

You think just because someone gets to the thread a little early and you got serious before you turned around twice they shouldn't get to shitpost?

In a game based on The Simpsons??

Where they have gone to the lengths of a Simpsons character sockpuppet account to play with???

You're lucky I stopped shitposting long enough to make this post...and mostly I'm only being serious because my dodgy internet has me in such an ill humor. If I get this shit straightened out I'll probably get right back into character and have you dumped in the green glowing pool out back.

tl;dr...I think you have thrown a lot of shade so far, but in pretty much every case it was thinly backed, if at all...like you are looking for an easy push.

That's cool, especially considering you've done fuck all but complain about your computer or inability to access your account. And the sus or sheep post, unless that was someone else.

You seem to have your back up quite a bit considering it's early D1 and even the best of cases will all be flimsy as fuck. I haven't even pushed you, but indeed some shade has been thrown. I do that. Helps me sort players.

Getting all salty over the way I go about scum hunting to start the game only reinforces my opinion that you're in that scum range of players.

LOL...I actually wasn't even talking about the shade you've thrown at me. I was more pointing out that you seem to be thinking you are in a fourteen wolf game because you are shading basically everyone, or at least seem like you are set on getting to everyone.

Now you can play "oh look, I threw empty shade at almost everybody and this guy didn't like it so he must be a wolf." Congrats wolf hunter, I'm impressed.

Think this is the post that Marge had as Burns switch on Otto. He definitely sussed him reading the previous post, not sure if this "wolf hunter" and response entails a town read now from him. Smell the sarcasm. He's a grump old cat lol.

Only half the players.
If you were paying attention you'd have seen me address that earlier.
And from that post - Allison and Grumple in my town leans, you and Skinner aren't but I dont see you two as w/w.
I know wtf I'm doing with my posts, in my experience townies usually do, so you're like not part of the crew.
You should try throwing around empty reads when you're town. It's kinda fun.

Yeah...just got done getting my cable company sorted out.

Now I'm gonna watch the baseball game.

But GOSH I am sooooo looking forward to having a REAL mafia player like yourself teach me how to play, so I hope there's not like an expiration date on that offer!

Meanwhile, since now it isn't taking five minutes to change pages I might even read the thread before my first lesson, just so I have good background and a chance of maybe, just maybe, being able to follow your awesomeness.

Smithers! Update my schedule and show the bus driver out.

Lolol

Only half the players.
If you were paying attention you'd have seen me address that earlier.
And from that post - Allison and Grumple in my town leans, you and Skinner aren't but I dont see you two as w/w.
I know wtf I'm doing with my posts, in my experience townies usually do, so you're like not part of the crew.
You should try throwing around empty reads when you're town. It's kinda fun.

Yeah...just got done getting my cable company sorted out.

Now I'm gonna watch the baseball game.

But GOSH I am sooooo looking forward to having a REAL mafia player like yourself teach me how to play, so I hope there's not like an expiration date on that offer!

Meanwhile, since now it isn't taking five minutes to change pages I might even read the thread before my first lesson, just so I have good background and a chance of maybe, just maybe, being able to follow your awesomeness.

Smithers! Update my schedule and show the bus driver out.

Lol, and I'll take that one on the chin.
I'm sorry if you took it that way, wasnt my intention to act superior, just wanted to let you know I knew my reads were empty, it's just the way I approach the game starting with no info.
People tend to engage in one way or another which helps me get a read on them. That's all I was saying.
Sorry if upure town, I'm just not reading you that way rn. That can change.

Enjoy the game.
I'd rather watch hockey

Wellllll...tbh

I really do normally play much the same way, and I really did spend most of the day squabbling with the cable company with my internet running at dial up speed...and my only way to communicate with the cable company being the internet...

So that shot to the chin wasn't something you deserved really, it was...you just kinda stepped in front of it.

I will be reading through the thread and getting really caught up.

And yeah I'd actually rather be watching hockey too.

Good guy Mr Burns. Tought on the outside, soft on the inside lmao. Interesting that this kind of mirrors our interactions later. Seems like he switches tone and handling of people.

Lmao Homer
Best intro ever

That was a great intro...at the time.

As a one post wonder...I think my nuclear power plant has the wrong operator asleep at the switch.

Wake up [VOTE: Homer Simpson!!!!] aubergine

Smithers! Make a note that I just want to hear from this donut eater and this vote is subject to change.

Fair take. The going back and not only quoting Homer to tag him but quoting Otto is interesting. Like shining light on Homer's absence and lack of contribution? The inclusion is weird for me and I could see that agenda behind it. It's theatric if that makes sense. Meh.

I like Allison's take on us and can live with that for now.
Unless the two of you are scum, having a soft Allison, Burns, Grample, Comic Dude towncore might be something to work with.

Thoughts on proposed towncore?

I like that you and Allison have been shaking the thread. I said earlier that I didn't know whether to sheep or suss on your respective early seriousness...and for now I'm inclined to sheep.

I think I came in goofing on the theme, but I didn't intend to JUST goof on the theme...and more than a couple people have tried to get away with doing that and nothing more. If Homer doesn't get in here I will cheerfully feed him to the hounds. But if he does there are plenty to take his place.

Skinner looks outright terrible with the goofing on the theme to get a little post count, then announcing serious work inbound and just failing. I won't call the hounds off Homer without getting something, but I'd vote Skinner in an old man's heartbeat.

Grample and Comic Dude I don't feel as good about as I do you and Allison, but not bad.

I feel pretty good about Bart from my interaction with him. Not like towncore good, but better than nothing.

Will read again.

Smithers! We need more hounds!!!

Think this is fair I guess. Noticeably Otto is now a feel good, Burns didn't really push the "shading everyone to get an easy push" angle he had early on on Otto. Not sure how much time elapses though and also they had a few interactions guess that might have made him feel better. Still though.

I wonder how Burns made a complete 180 on Otto man for...what I assume to be no reason. At least he didn't give any valuable reasons in thread, maybe he thought about it in his head, but from his posts, his switch makes no sense.

Could you explain what "180" you are talking about? I don't think I feel strongly enough about anyone to have a direction, much less have anyone I have felt strongly about in TWO OPPOSING directions.

Yeah, nevermind.

Skip the explanations, you're just day one grasping for straws.

Smithers! Release the hounds! Run this blue haired wretch off the property!

Hmm there was an 180, doesn't have to be from strongly scum to strongly town. Kind of disingenuous, kinda... I can see the argument behind it though lol, since soft red, to soft green is a small distance.

Is grasping for straws here a bad thing or generating content and getting stuff done? It's a mystery!

I kinda think I know who Bart is too and agree they’re probably town

Man now we are full on in the meta...

"look, we mind melded, must both be town"

...and you don't even know what you "mind melded" about or who you "mindmelded" with.

Hilarious.

I don't understand this post. Earlier he was allegedly interested on who was behind Alison and Otto to get an idea if their volume and energy was wolfy or not. Homer and Marge guessing their respecting identity and under that, meta reading each other, is fair.

Smithers! Bring the big bowl!! We're making a salad!

People who seem active and worth keeping around:

Allison-plenty of pushy questions stirring up the town to see what falls out
Bart-fun gifs, but open called for activity...liked his direct interaction
ComicBook-kinda meh personally, but I'm not fighting Otto on this one
Grampa-feisty old man, but pushes seem to produce reactions so good for the town
Grumple-another meh, but again I haven't really looked because I'm not fighting Otto at this point
Krusty-making pushes, stirring pots
Lisa-not pushy, but weighing in...will probably be readable
Otto-most active and intentional mover and shaker in the thread so far

People who seem useless but not worth fighting with today:

Homer-has Marge in the "mind meld pocket"
Marge-married mindlessly to Homer

Maybe subbed so let them be:
Hugh Jass
Millhouse


Would chop:
Flanders-high certainty proclamation that I happen to know is dead wrong, no back up or reasoning, no other significant interactions
Skinner-"I'm done memeing now" and has done nothing since

Fair I guess. No real scum lean on non slankers at this moment, meh.

idk what you're doing here

i am not even voting you anymore, by the way

later

Ummm...what does "I backed off my vote on you so I hope you leave me alone now" look like here?

How does it look like, Burns sama?

Flanders, Marge, Lisa, and Skinner...


Sounds legit...the thick glasses kid with the one post reads seems okay for now

What looks like a PoE. Marge's husband is noticeably absent. That thick glasses guy is the person you killed

Flanders, Marge, Lisa, and Skinner...


Sounds legit...the thick glasses kid with the one post reads seems okay for now

Yeah, it seems a little too convenient.
Flanders and Skinner are getting a lot of attention, same with Marge. Lisa might be an outlier in that sense but the list and lack of build up to it. I dunno.
Feels like a great "let me hide behind my sheeped list" play.

Could be...but as a "whoa I have blown off the vast majority of day one" entrance it isn't totally bad
he at least weighed in (ultra lightly, but still) on everyone
I mean, if he had just come in and sheeped a couple reads that would have been worse

Good read.

Not gonna fight to save the guy, but I think the attention on Flanders and Skinner is well deserved and I'm staying in there.

But I'd be amused if the hounds got the donut eater and his blue haired mate.

Smithers!!!

[VOTE: Flanders] aubergine

Very meh.

Smithers!!!

Check the scene of the squirrelocide for zamboni tracks!

I've never watched the Simpsons. No one will know!

You're mischaracterizing what I said. Without any flips, how do you know what's a good read or bad read with no info to go on?

??

I don't understand the argument you're making if it isn't "all reads are equal until proven otherwise." And I'm going to really struggle to accept that position because it completely neuters you outside of mech clears.

Do you disagree that refusing to participate is anti-town?

Refusing to participate is anti-town. I'm just not sure how you know whether or not a player's reads are good or bad at this point

You two are talking straight past each other.

Smithers, have them removed.

I'll take your word for it.

Here's where I'm at right now:

I think Marge is town. I think Burns is town. Grampa's recent posts have made me doubt my scumread on him a bit. I feel like the thread is descending into an orgy of people nitpicking stuff about each other's posts and/or getting super defensive and lashing out when their own posts gets nitpicked. I think there's a decent number of people active lurking, eating popcorn, and watching the town tear each other into shreds.

I am currently more in favor of putting pressure on inactive people to contribute.[font=] I do not agree with Burns that Milhouse coming in to post some random read salad without any explanations or serious pushes is a townie entrance.[/font] I'm am concerned that Skinner and Hugh are still AWOL. I am also concerned that Ned Flanders has had three posts the entire day, scumread Burns early on, and then dropped a vote on him without any announcement, after Marge pushed Burns. (If you check the poll you will see that Flanders voted Burns after Marge and Homer voted, even though his suspicion on Burns purportedly came long before.) I do not know what Flanders' progression on the game is or why he is drive by voting Burns at a very convenient timing without saying anything.

So those four are my POE. I trust Otto, Marge, Burns, Grumple and Krusty. I am willing to accept Marge + Homer's testimony that they know who Bart is and that his behavior this game strongly indicates that he is town. I started off with an early Lisa townread, but she has since fallen off. So my 5 townreads + tentatively Bart is my townpool for today. Everyone else who isn't directly in the POE or in my townpool is somewhere in the middle.

I am thinking of it more as a "better than nothing" entrance rather than actually "towny."

I agree with your read on the game state.

Word?

Twenty posts in and I like Krusty so far. I think he has a clear misunderstanding with Grandpa that is probably really easy to point out...for anyone other than the two of them...and that everything else he has said (except some obligatory empty jokes) was pretty solid town mindset.

In the Grandpa/Marge/Krusty triangle the only thing that doesn't seem to make sense from town is exactly what Grandpa pointed out...

I think it's okay to say Homer is marching to his own drum and ignoring pressure and that is kinda towny...but to say that a single entry gif, and when called out for that single entry gif twenty four hours later responding with a couple more gifs and a piss off is USEFUL SOLVING is absurd.

Grampa and Krusty seem lost in the semantics, but Marge shielding Homer based on NOTHING is the real mystery.

Disagree on Krusty. Feel like the Grampa situation here is used to fluff the Krusty read, like them talking past each other is NAI in general, although their interaction might speak to their compatibility. We're not there yet.

We're built different in the Syndicat. Joke lol.

Back to the Marge/Homer linking, I'm still not sure why he's gripping with so hard. It might be nothing more than a fancy TR, those aren't inherently bad on slankers. I'm not sure what happened to this afterwards, I remember him asking him to review it and it felt like fake work. The insistence with which he's harping on it doesn't match the fact that he doesn't seem to have reached a conclusion. Like he's just wanting to shade some light to it in hope someone else finds it scummy and push it for him? Weird, but he's a peculiar guy lol.

I don’t think I’ve played anti town. I’m just playing at my own pace. Deal with it.

I did. I only called out your single gif entrance (which was brilliant) after it sort of got full day stale. That was me dealing with it.

I didn't exactly jump over the moon for your response, but you did respond and I'm fine with that too.

I think Marge is over defending you, but maybe there's some "oh Homie" in play there for that donut enhanced anatomy you are sporting.

Keep picking up the pace and we'll be fine.

Now, back to work slacker! This plant won't give off life threatening levels of contamination by itself!!!

Lol

I don’t think I’ve played anti town. I’m just playing at my own pace. Deal with it.

I did. I only called out your single gif entrance (which was brilliant) after it sort of got full day stale. That was me dealing with it.

I didn't exactly jump over the moon for your response, but you did respond and I'm fine with that too.

I think Marge is over defending you, but maybe there's some "oh Homie" in play there for that donut enhanced anatomy you are sporting.

Keep picking up the pace and we'll be fine.

Now, back to work slacker! This plant won't give off life threatening levels of contamination by itself!!!

I likely won’t be picking up the pace

You already have. It isn't about making more posts, it's about having something to say...even if it's just you and Marge agreeing about Bart, at least you are on the record about something rather than just moonwalking into the bushes.

True

scratching the "D1 is the day that the worst posting slanker that has under 10 posts gets yeeted" off my bingo card

Smithers!!! Call in the hounds!

If you have a better idea I'll listen. If we have a bad posting slanker that has under ten posts, what do we do with them? How are you expecting them to get worked clear if they live?

Call Mr. Hughes the slanker whisperer.

This is a fair post, although I still have a slight gripped that it didn't feel like he actually tried to find another avenue and more so settled on the slanker and that the "bad" isn't really clear.

If you have a better idea I'll listen. If we have a bad posting slanker that has under ten posts, what do we do with them? How are you expecting them to get worked clear if they live?

let them get subbed

Excellent!

I did already mention that about the actual no posters...one of which has since posted. But I wouldn't expect the host to have a fleet of subs on standby so that every low poster can just be subbed out for a fresh start. I don't remember there being a hard minimum, so I would think that "I made three posts and they were (maybe just bald without reasons) suspicions and I did vote" would be a slot that won't get subbed. So here we are. On the other hand we have I think seven or eight posts in the shitposting phase that ended with "okay, now I'm serious" and a bald vote and a disappearance. I don't see that getting subbed. So here we are.

How far can we carry those slots and hope they get more productive?

I mean, I don't like chopping the unproductive slot day one...and if someone wants to sprout big teeth and a bushy tail and hop in my lap I'll be happy to chop them instead...but unless someone does I have to eliminate the people who I think will be least likely to ever clear themselves and hope the productive people can be sorted out in time.

He's weirdly emotionally invested in this lol. Same with the reaction to my calling the lynch garbage on D2. He took it personally. It wasn't Burns sama :hugs

[VOTE: Skinner] aubergine

Maybe if we keep pressure on both of these lumps of coal one will turn into a diamond.

Pression vote, not bad. Interested if there was a slight ping before from the little posts Skinner had or simply pression.

LOL...pads post count by eight...says absolutely nothing.

Smithers, don't even bother waking the hounds, just shoot him.

Dishonest take on Flanders I feel. He just entered the thread and gave his initial stances based on what pinged him. Not everything has to be carefully formatted and fully explained beforehands. It grows into the game.

[VOTE: Flanders] aubergine

Ok

If you guys wanna kill me day 1 go right ahead. Just make sure you actually kill the people who are circling me like vultures for actually posting after I was being voted for not posting.

You are posting empty noises. Nothing has changed except that you are pretending to react to pressure.

Rude.

Skinner, where are you?

Pivoting to another slanker trying to get contribution from them? Looks alright, cynic in me doesn't feel like he genuinely wanted to hear from Skinner lol. Busy work.

If you guys wanna kill me day 1 go right ahead. Just make sure you actually kill the people who are circling me like vultures for actually posting after I was being voted for not posting.

You are posting empty noises. Nothing has changed except that you are pretending to react to pressure.

You aren't even trying to analyse me. You're just firing off the hip. You weren't even voting me before and as soon as I came and actually provided content you finally were able to justify your OMGUS.

Go ahead and suck pal.

You aren't providing content. You look to be just padding post count.

But at present you are doing more than Skinner,

See a few posts above.

Hard claim Mac.

I believe this, but don't think it's indicative of anything but desperation...why didn't you just play the game?

Lolol

Soooo...who wants to bet the game on Mac's half assed first post reads?

I'd probably rather do that than let slanker Skinner pass, myself, but in my experience Mac's first post reads are about 3% better than rand so I wouldn't call it a GOOD bet.

This isn't nice, vicious stuff. Not knowing who's behind the sockpuppet makes it a hard call.

i wonder who burns is rn

but yeah, i probably ~never move from them barring massive improvement

Ask Mac, I'm sure he knows.

LOL...or not.

The capital words in posts to highlight some stuff made me think of someone. I'll see if I'm right post game.

I was about to town read it for being Ted but if it's Sprityo it's just mafia.

So, here's the thing...someone else already pointed out that mass claiming real IDs would be outside the spirit of the game.

I agree with them, and actually if I were the host I'd just modkill you...for your hard claim and your fishing.

But since I do know you are Mac I guess I have to acknowledge that this sort of thing is probably town Mac...the whole "one post reads" bit is certainly typical Mac...as is the "never reassess" arrogance.

My intent was to keep pressure on two lumps of coal hoping one would turn into a diamond...and instead one turned into a Mac.

I take what I can get.

[VOTE: Skinner] aubergine

The other one turned into a world class Tracker.

I was about to town read it for being Ted but if it's Sprityo it's just mafia.

So, here's the thing...someone else already pointed out that mass claiming real IDs would be outside the spirit of the game.

I agree with them, and actually if I were the host I'd just modkill you...for your hard claim and your fishing.

But since I do know you are Mac I guess I have to acknowledge that this sort of thing is probably town Mac...the whole "one post reads" bit is certainly typical Mac...as is the "never reassess" arrogance.

My intent was to keep pressure on two lumps of coal hoping one would turn into a diamond...and instead one turned into a Mac.

I take what I can get.

[VOTE: Skinner] aubergine

Why are you such a prick to me lol

By accident?

How was I supposed to know that pressuring a low poster was gonna sprout Mac out of the woodwork?

Hmmm accident? Sure thing bud. Joke lol

For the record, I do feel bad about pushing Mac into claiming.

And his one post reads are, as I said, in my experience a little better than rand.

He does also have a handful of people that he is genuinely NEVER right about. But without revealing real IDs that doesn't matter.

The last phrase is unnecessary. It serves nothing since like you answered it, there is no ID reveals. It's just a soft discrediting.

I was about to town read it for being Ted but if it's Sprityo it's just mafia.

So, here's the thing...someone else already pointed out that mass claiming real IDs would be outside the spirit of the game.

I agree with them, and actually if I were the host I'd just modkill you...for your hard claim and your fishing.

But since I do know you are Mac I guess I have to acknowledge that this sort of thing is probably town Mac...the whole "one post reads" bit is certainly typical Mac...as is the "never reassess" arrogance.

My intent was to keep pressure on two lumps of coal hoping one would turn into a diamond...and instead one turned into a Mac.

I take what I can get.

[VOTE: Skinner] aubergine

Why are you such a prick to me lol

By accident?

How was I supposed to know that pressuring a low poster was gonna sprout Mac out of the woodwork?

I am referring to the literal post I am quoting not the stuff from before you knew who I was.

I find your never reassess arrogance endearing, to be honest. And as I have said twice I do actually respect your one post reads. You are wrong about me, but that doesn't mean you aren't better than rand here either.

I'm trying to believe you.

-Try to avoid identifying yourself or forcing other players to identify themselves. Speculation about the identities of players is permissible, but you may not claim an identity or make any requests that another player do so.

Thank you Marge because I was right on the border of telling Mac who I am, which would have doubled the tragedy.

:stunned face:

Just yeet me so the mod doesn't have to lol.

Is this best mechanical play here?

I'm in dark waters...

This rings so fake to me. How could it be when you're TR-ing Mac for the id claim? Also having gotten to know you, I'm having trouble believing you being in "dark waters" here and not having an initial opinion on what to do, even if it isn't strong either way. Feels like wanting to see how it develops and what other people think, as not to commit.

For the record, I do feel bad about pushing Mac into claiming.

And his one post reads are, as I said, in my experience a little better than rand.

He does also have a handful of people that he is genuinely NEVER right about. But without revealing real IDs that doesn't matter.

You DIDN'T push him into claiming. He just melted under pressure because "do what I say without any lip back" wasn't a compelling offer to everyone. I don't even see what claiming identity matters to the situation.

I needed to summon my excess clout.

Just to smite ME.

I am taking that as a singular honor.

Insert a witty reply.

Just yeet me so the mod doesn't have to lol.

Is this best mechanical play here?

I'm in dark waters...

Given I am town it's not but given you don't know that for sure it probably is. I guess it depends whether he waits til EOD to mod-kill me or mod-kills me and immediately ends the day. I do believe that is Sloonei's preferred method.

I'm just trying to sort through the numbers...if we chop and miss, and you are town, we are down two going into the night...if there's no extra KP that puts us on even numbers. I generally sort of hate even numbers.

Meh

[Hugh Jass]

Continuation

Spoiler: show

Just yeet me so the mod doesn't have to lol.

Is this best mechanical play here?

I'm in dark waters...

gives us a night of actions with one dead instead of two dead

and if Flanders is a woof then we'd go into N1 without a villager dead

If Mac was woofin' I think he'd have not gotten himself mod killed. He's most likely town. Skinner has completely failed to appear here in this hub bub, so he's no loss.

That's rude.

Everybody makes mistakes...I'm not a big reader of rules myself.

Nice guys Mr. Burns

sigh...kids today...Allison, you JUST NOW got your own vote off Mac.

If Grampa is someone who has never heard of Mac then this is probably all pretty annoying/mystifying.

Take a breath.

Was she online when the whole thing happened? Could be a just catched up and read the claim, that's why the switch only just happened.

Fair fair on Gramps.

Everybody makes mistakes...I'm not a big reader of rules myself.

It's true, I make all kinds of mistakes. I'm just salty about the situation he's put town in.

Also, the whole I don't grandstand thing, then grandstands with a cred claim only to get himself mod killed.
Boo-urns

Oh well, I'll get over it and Mr. Mac will probably hate me forever.

Yeah, and me. For a day. But he has never been a grudge guy so he'll likely get over it.

He's been holding a grudge over me for a half a decade.

Grampa how did you not realize that this spews Flanders town like fifty times over?

Because after asking us to chop him before the mod-kill he told Burns the best move is to chop someone else, and to me that seems suboptimal for town and better for wolves.

Who did he tell Burns to exe?

He didn't specify...I was just trying to sort through the numbers as to whether chopping him was the right move after he suggested chopping him before he got MKed...it seemed like it might have some merit at first glance, but I think everyone agreed it was not best play mechanically.

"Everyone agreed" lol. It had absolutely no merit, fight me.

Flanders is town.

Smithers! Release the hounds! Have them escort Captain Obvious here off the property.

Sassy reply back to roleplaying. Meh.

Everybody makes mistakes...I'm not a big reader of rules myself.

It's true, I make all kinds of mistakes. I'm just salty about the situation he's put town in.

Also, the whole I don't grandstand thing, then grandstands with a cred claim only to get himself mod killed.
Boo-urns

Oh well, I'll get over it and Mr. Mac will probably hate me forever.

Yeah, and me. For a day. But he has never been a grudge guy so he'll likely get over it.

I don't even know why this is a conversation.

Well, we gotta talk about you...you're Mac

That smilie is so creepy lol. Also doesn't fit the hard ass Burns sama I know. Sarcastic? Probably. Not sure why he'd feel the need to add it otherwise. Maybe sweetening him up knowing he's already set on killing him at night? Hmmmm. Smithers! Release the hounds! We got one.

Flanders is town.

Ah my devious plan to pocket Comic Book Guy worked.

I knew you were up to something.

Lol poor Flanders, he didn't see it coming.

[VOTE: Millhouse] aubergine

While I sort through this next fiasco...thanks for using the tracker role as a crutch Skinner.

Bad bad.

It's two hours to EoD Skinner and the only way you could think to work your way off the block was to out yourself? If you are town tracker that was a SPECTACULARLY bad play. You could have just read a bit and at least waited to see if the day was gonna end in a modkill.

First thought would be that I hate the highlighting of spectacularly. Comes off as fake, more theatrics like rather than something a townie would write in the moment. It wants us to think that Burns is feeling strongly this way.

Getting to know Burns though that seems to be just his shtick, it's fucking everywhere in his posts lol.

[VOTE: Mr. Burns] aubergine

Got a reason, or are you just mad about the Captain Obvious thing?

Meh reaction I think. It's not really a loaded question but I just don't like how he's setting it up using their previous interaction and locking it up as an or. Asking for the reason is fair enough on its own. I guess though it fits with the hard ass and aggressive vibe he's got going.

[VOTE: Mr. Burns] aubergine

Got a reason, or are you just mad about the Captain Obvious thing?

Some of your posts seem suspicious.

Hounds somehow don't come off as pro-town.

LOL...have you never actually watched the Simpsons?

CBC is a Mafia savant.

[VOTE: Mr. Burns] aubergine

Got a reason, or are you just mad about the Captain Obvious thing?

Some of your posts seem suspicious.

Hounds somehow don't come off as pro-town.

LOL...have you never actually watched the Simpsons?

I'm aware of the catchphrase.

Just checking.

I mean, I didn't choose Mr Burns because I planned on playing as a nice guy, but that has nothing to do with the rand.

Smithers! The hounds! I believe this man's beard is full of mustard and I am sure they will enjoy him!

I noticed something in the sign up thread. Mr. Burns signed up in the game itself, was that you already having access to the account. Like you created for this game and it's not a dupe?

[VOTE: COMIC BOOK GUY]

Just so you know...the poll is the official vote.

A community man, looking out for his people.

[Unvote]

I don't really have a good candidate any more and it seems late in the day to be looking for one.

I think we have to at least give Skinner the day for the claim.

Fair I guess

Milhouse is sus.

Millhouse and his read salad no longer has worse people to hide behind, yes. But "looks suss"? I guess, but I'd rather find something stronger.

Empty talk.

Soooo...a quick ISO on Lisa turns out to be really quick...I could vote there.

This is pretty good, I missed it on my catch up. Shows reconsideration intent and someone looking for other avenues and actually caring. Not thaaat hard to fake I guess but this feels genuine. It rings particularly good since I suspect Lisa right now as well.

Still liking Bart...not in an "ay karamba, what a towny guy" sort of way, but in a not to chop right now sort of way

Good read

Knowing that Millhouse's one post read wall was NOT Mac makes me like it a lot less, tbh.

I don't really believe this seeing as how Flanders and him went out. Don't think he actually had Mac in the back of his head prior to the hard claim, and actually reconsidering wall reads using that way. Not sure why he'd post this though so close to EoD with Mill already locked in as the chop. Or that wasn't the case?

I'm in the middle of having to go pick up dinner...I'm as satisfied as I guess I'm gonna get.

Sad, but kinda predictable.

lol

Sad, but kinda predictable.

that's predictable

Mindmeld, or copywolf?

I hate these self questions. Give your take. Tell us.

That was either just plain awful or a perfect roleplay of Grampa Simpson and I can't decide which I am thinking.

Word?

Smithers!

Any sign of that worthless school principle?

Well, we will just have to proceed without him.

The old man looks terrible in a lot of ways, but is also right that Hugh Jass voted for him for NONE of those reasons and Hugh Jass looks terrible as well.

Lisa is unimpressive.

I still don't like the Homer/Marge/Bart recognition and meta mutual town society...seems like it would be easy to infiltrate for a wolf...probably not more than one though.

Already talked about the bolded last phase. It's such a wolfy read imo, the way he engages and accept the suspicion on gramps at a superficial level and doesn't dive in at all while at the same time shading me when I was in a wall war with the gramps. The emphasis on Grampa being suspicious for several reasons and me not suspecting him for those comes off as fake. It's not an argument at all, and it's like he engaged the reasons for which I suspected Grampa. The caps was so fake to me initially lol, but now as I mentioned it's just how Burns roll so that point is moot.

That was a garbage elimination.

Yeah, thanks for your massive contribution.

Smithers, release the hounds.

Guess my post irritated him. Feels like an overreaction to me seeing as how the rest of the interactions goes.

and Hugh Jass looks terrible as well.

Expand.

Unlike Allison I think your "burst of activity" looked terrible. As in "okay, got a free day, now lemme not get subbed out." Your vote looked random at best, opportunistic at worst. And your whining about the game state is just irritating as hell.

NOBODY was ecstatic about chopping a low poster...but nobody had a solid wolf read to put up instead either, least of all you. Most of us had to deal with that, and you come waltzing in at the end having done FUCK ALL and smugly spout about how we should have chopped better? NO SHIT we should have chopped better, and if a bunch of people hadn't lamed off the day JUST LIKE YOU DID maybe we would have.

Now you had your "big EoD outburst" and a 24 hour night phase went by and you are back...and getting ready to start catching up. I get it, some people sign up and life catches them, and some people just wanna put nothing into the game...but coming in here with this "I was here for twenty minutes and y'all bad chopped" is flatly infuriating.

Responded to this on post 491. I'm having a lot of trouble figuring out his energy and tone. At times it feels overly done, and not real. He's basically putting on a hard ass persona and trying to sell an engaged vibe. This is mainly 'cause I feel like there is a contrast in how he sometimes interact and get on people with how committed he is to his reads. He softens up a lot, and it just comes off as him not actually caring who's getting chopped. This goes for his drawn out interactions as well. He came at me pretty hard, but then softened up in a weird buddying way. Noticed the same thing with Otto early D1. On the other hand, just like the caps words aren't a thing like I thought they could, this might just be some sort of cultural clash and me not knowing him. They're a cool person though.

Allison, can you explain to me what you are thinking is so great about 20 minute Hugh?

The ONLY thing I can say for him is that if he is a slank wolf he has to be among the most brazen ever, but I've been burned before by "no wolf could slank this hard, their team would kick their ass" before and I am really opposed to going out like that again.

Lol at "20 minute Hugh". You tried amigo.

The old man looks terrible in a lot of ways, but is also right that Hugh Jass voted for him for NONE of those reasons and Hugh Jass looks terrible as well.

I hate this read. I think this comes from a wolf more often than not, like it doesn't feel real at all. It's scheme-y as hell, the way he engages and accept the suspicion on gramps at a superficial level without getting into anything concrete, while at the same time shading me who also happen to be at odds with the gramps.

Like the way he goes one about gramps being suspicious for several reasons, and me suspecting me for none of those reasons. The emphasis of none feels fake lol.

Waiting for him to expand.

At least I have made reads twenty minute man.

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine

This will end up being a theme in our interactions early D2 before we became best buds. He doesn't really answers my point when I got back at him a few times, it made me think that he wasn't actually trying to figure me out and was just trying to see what sticks.

Allison, can you explain to me what you are thinking is so great about 20 minute Hugh?

The ONLY thing I can say for him is that if he is a slank wolf he has to be among the most brazen ever, but I've been burned before by "no wolf could slank this hard, their team would kick their ass" before and I am really opposed to going out like that again.

So what, Hugh Jass decided he was going to slank his way to victory as a wolf, peeked into the thread and saw 0 votes on him and a consensus on exeing some random lurking townie, and decided "now is the time I'm going to burst into the thread with a strong scumread and start pushing it"? I don't buy that story. He seemed pissed off and unhappy with the town consensus and tried hard to push an alternative exe (Gramps). He opens the next day saying it was a terrible elimination. He doesn't feel like someone complacent or content with the D1 gamestate to me.

He doesn't seem like someone remotely interested in DOING anything about that game state other than whine. He shows up and throws a vote. Gives basically no reasons for the wagon to go over so we can assess the quality of that vote. Spends the night phase so upset by the bad chop that he apparently never looked at the thread. Comes back and renews his vote again without putting anything behind it.

How could he look any MORE complacent about the game state?

Your reasoning here is almost suspiciously bad.

LOL

Unlike Allison I think your "burst of activity" looked terrible. As in "okay, got a free day, now lemme not get subbed out." Your vote looked random at best, opportunistic at worst. And your whining about the game state is just irritating as hell.

I'm not sure why I'm being compared to Allison, she's been around much earlier than me and has been active throughout a good period of the phase from what I see. I guess we have in common our suspicion of Gramps, is that why you're comparing me to her.

Do you just not even read? I wasn't comparing you to Allison, don't flatter yourself.

I was comparing HER TAKE on you to MY TAKE on you to try to figure out how we are seeing you so differently.
[/quote]
lmao that's all he took from my response. Nice jab though

I have made reads. I called Mill a townie, and he flipped Town. I called Gramps a wolf, and I'm calling you one now.

three names drawn apparently from a hat and attached to words aren't "reads."

Sorry twenty minute man, but I just am not ready to buy into "I showed up, skimmed the thread, and KNEW the low poster was town." If you did REALLY KNOW it's because he wasn't in your wolf room. If you are just "well, he was no worse than rand and I happened to guess right" then get off your high horse.

This felt dishonest to me as while I haven't been active much at that point, I actually shared reasoning for anything I took a stance on. Quoted this post back with several early posts I had with the reasoning for those 3 reads. No response;

He doesn't seem like someone remotely interested in DOING anything about that game state other than whine. He shows up and throws a vote. Gives basically no reasons for the wagon to go over so we can assess the quality of that vote. Spends the night phase so upset by the bad chop that he apparently never looked at the thread. Comes back and renews his vote again without putting anything behind it.

How could he look any MORE complacent about the game state?

Your reasoning here is almost suspiciously bad.

It has been 3 hours since the start of the day and he is already pushing who he thinks is scum. I have no idea what about that behavior makes you think he is being complacent. If we had exed Flanders you would be pushing Milhouse today with the exact same logic.

How has Flanders and Milhouse' flips and Skinner's claim not made you change the way you are looking at this game at all?

Flanders flip didn't change anything because Mac basically made himself an Innocent Child...I'm not mad at him for it, it's just a mistake, but that's the way it went...so I'm not surprised he got NKed since no wolf team on earth was ever gonna chop him, and there is no info to be had from him flipping town since we all should have already known that.

Milhouse was a good day one chop...would have been a lot better if we got lucky and hit wolf, but if he played every day like he played day one we probably don't know any more about him at end game than we knew at EoD. I am actually taking something from that flip and changing my view though, because I think Hugh Jass making a big deal out of "I skimmed the thread and called the flip" is suss as hell.

Skinner's claim just is what it is...I pushed, he claimed, I found another place to vote. I dunno what else there is to make of it. When he comes in with some sort of results I'll certainly take them into account.

And no, if "we had exed Flanders" I wouldn't be gunning for Millhouse...I'd be trying to find out how anyone in their right mind could have exed Mac after he waterbombed town all over himself other than just being a wolf.

This is pretty fair.

Now can I please go back to reading in peace? Thank you.

Sure...because I would certainly love to see you produce a read on someone who isn't already dead or one of yesterdays lead wagons...that sort of actual effort might make a difference here.

If it wasn't obvious RL kidnapped me and i couldn't be here at Eod.
Sad mischop, RIP Mac, i am curious, wolves thought he as mafia God is a better NK than a tracker claim?

Linki bad guy

I'm guessing more Doc dodge than mafia God. Like I said earlier, by the time the dust settled he was pretty much Mac the Inno Child and was never gonna be a mischop.

I'm a little salty about it because Mac came in voting me based on his guess as to who I was, then made three different guesses none of which were right, then I am pretty sure figured out who I was and switched his vote because I am pretty sure when that light came on he said "oh, yeah, definitely could be town"...but now he's dead, annoyingly enough and since this site doesn't allow for much in the way of examining vote movements some people are probably gonna even doubt that he did move his vote.

I kind of believes this. I think Mac switches although I'm not sure he ended up figuring who they were since the early guessed seemed wrong reading Burns post.

If it wasn't obvious RL kidnapped me and i couldn't be here at Eod.
Sad mischop, RIP Mac, i am curious, wolves thought he as mafia God is a better NK than a tracker claim?

Linki bad guy

I'm guessing more Doc dodge than mafia God. Like I said earlier, by the time the dust settled he was pretty much Mac the Inno Child and was never gonna be a mischop.

I'm a little salty about it because Mac came in voting me based on his guess as to who I was, then made three different guesses none of which were right, then I am pretty sure figured out who I was and switched his vote because I am pretty sure when that light came on he said "oh, yeah, definitely could be town"...but now he's dead, annoyingly enough and since this site doesn't allow for much in the way of examining vote movements some people are probably gonna even doubt that he did move his vote.

You should talk to me like i am a kid, not like i am gramps

Umm the last VC is public. Your wagos was like this
Mr. Burns
2
10% Voters: Homer Simpson, Marge Simpson
Ned Flanders

Except you can link an unvote post, i didn't notice that.

You don't fool me kid. You were on the ball enough yesterday to turn down the soda, and you are on the ball enough today to be addressed as something more than just the brainless urchin you pretend to be.

What do you think of both Homer and Marge saying they know who you are, and more importantly, what do you think of them townreading each other over this grand agreement mind meld? I want to say it is BS and figure out if one of them is playing the other, but it would help to know if you have somehow telegraphed who is pulling the strings there. Not like you would on purpose, but are you a regular Syndi-cat with some really obvious posting style?

Meh. The whole Marge/Homer angle thing continue to be pretty unimpressive. A little bit after this, he asked me to take a look over it and give my thoughts on it. Don't think I ever came back to him, oops lol. It felt like some busywork and a weird thing to ask.

[Hugh Jass]

Don't really have any conclusion yet or anything. Lots of stuff I still didn't like, some that I like. A few questions in there if you read it Burns, but don't think they really need an answer. Mostly rhetorical or voiced out theories.

I'll probably do something similar for Lisa and Kristy

[Marge Simpson]

Is there some TL;DR to that?

Anyway, I am glad to vote for burns here, as I did last time

Or we could just go for, idk, a 0-poster again

[Hugh Jass]

[mention]Allison Taylor[/mention] You asked me earlier about Krusty, what are your thoughts on him?

[Hugh Jass]

Not at the moment

[Hugh Jass]

Has there been any development on your Burns take? Only thing of substance I remember was his handling of Otto.

[Hugh Jass]

I'm tired

[Marge Simpson]

I feel like every post I’ve skimmed was pretty bad

The Alison Otto thing about not knowing whether to sheep them or what felt like an afterthought of “oh shit, I just defended myself against Otto’s accusation of me, gotta act like I was thinking about his alignment” (the explanation is still there) and generally felt like a lot of his thoughts weren’t genuine

Like the fact that there “had to be something with Marge and Homer”

No there wasn’t, there was just my read and he was trying to make it look like a bad thing even though he couldn’t even explain why that read was wolfy.

I wasn’t clearing Homer, it’s a silly D1 read and acting like there was something there felt more like him falling back on something to “think about” rather than doing anything with it.

It just generally feels like he has no reads and thus no real direction towards anything. He singled out every single low poster while not having any sort of thought on the active posters.

I do remember seeing him give some reads on other people, but for now, the D1 Allison and Otto thing is enough to make me think he’s a wolf and that didn’t really change.

He hopped to town read them for what I assume to be ~no reason and never re-evaluated.

Kinda feel like he’s just open wolfing and guiding the villagers on the slankers when he doesn’t have any reads on the more active people.

AGAIN, I didn’t see how D2 has gone and what reads he’s given, but the factual stuff that you should take into account are his “oh I gotta act like I thought about their alignment because I didn’t consider it at all and just defended myself” thing that ultimately transcended into town reads on the both of them after he stopped getting heat from them for no reason that I can glean from his ISO, as well as the Homer me thing being a fake thought.

[NurseWilgy]

TBH, Otto is a good deepwolf candidate. He's been universally TR, but the Maf are happy to keep him alive? I dunno, Maf usually take down those kind of townies where I usually play.


His meta lines up with his usual town play, but this is a different forum, and I'll not say the dude is incapable of progressing his game...far from it.


He's still town to me for now, but goddammit Otto, if you're scum? Imma burn your house down.

:woozyface:

Why do you keep talking about Skinner? Skinner asked for sub.
And "TBH", bruh. Feels bad man

Odd response. I didn't even mention Skinner in the quoted post.

But in the post directly above it you did. And Skinner had already requested a sub. So yeah

And that's what I said, was that he asked for a sub and I'd leave him alone.


You're awfully touchy at being thought a possible deepwolf candidate. Why is that? I'd think any of those in the town core would be understanding of some suspicion, given zero dead scum.

[Julinook]

@Allison Taylor You asked me earlier about Krusty, what are your thoughts on him?

I gave some thoughts on him earlier. I think his entrance into D3 was pretty townie. I think him wailing on Skinner is not as scummy as some have made it out to be - eg. Burns is doing the same, and it's not like wolf Krusty gets anywhere trying to push a Skinner misexe. I liked his posts D1 and D2 - generally, his tone has been good and his reads have been thoughtful. If he has an agenda I don't see it. The one thing that gives me pause about him is Otto starting to have serious doubts about him - Otto knows him from offsite and they have enough history together to give confident meta takes on each other. But if we set the Otto stuff aside, I think Krusty has actually been pretty town.

[Julinook]

[mention]Marge Simpson[/mention] Where are you at apart from your scumread on Burns? I'd specifically like your take on Lisa, since I don't think you've mentioned her much/at all and she's my top suspect for today. You named Bart and Otto as two people you trusted alongside Homer - have those reads changed at all and/or have you added anyone to your towncore?

[Marge Simpson]

@Marge Simpson Where are you at apart from your scumread on Burns? I'd specifically like your take on Lisa, since I don't think you've mentioned her much/at all and she's my top suspect for today. You named Bart and Otto as two people you trusted alongside Homer - have those reads changed at all and/or have you added anyone to your towncore?

Again, briefly skimmed through D2, I’ll probably do multi-isos so I know where I’m at.

I don’t think I have any reasons to doubt Bart and Otto here.

Also, not sure if you were subconsciously looking for something on me / Lisa, but I actually haven’t talked about anyone outside of my town core + Burns and Gramps for a bit.

I’m gonna attempt to do a few reads in a few mins, gonna read Lisa, Krusty, Grumple or the green creature whatever their name is.