Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[MacDougall]

You, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you and you. You suck.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

oh i'm at work rn btw. responding to things as I can

tldr re me and wilgy: both me and wilgy are kinda just throwing votes around cuz it's fun. Hynea chose to vote me in a OMGUS type.

I want Hynea to give a read on wilgy

there is no rush, take your time and get back to things when you can.

Do you have any serious/confident reads yet?

uhhh yeah i think i can find a few

so tutuu is town, not cuz range, she can always make shit up, but i see passion behind the stories i didn't see in bread

mac is town cuz he think i'm bad and wants to push that

Wilgy i'm pretty neutral on, don't see an agenda, but don't see goodness either.

sloonei is very still comfortably in his town range, the way he's approaching me reminds me of bike. Could mean he's mafia and is trying to make me remember that, but also could just be how Sloonei towns. I actually don't know sloonei's scum moves now that I think about it...but if how he acted in Bike was consistent to how he plays when he isn't scum, he's deff town.

I think LC is town just based on my thread interactions with him. He reads like he did at the beginning of bread where everyone went after him because....? don't do that here.

but yeah. Hyena claimed i guess? sure why not

I did not play Bike.

christmas sorry, time is an illusion. Kyle was in that game too.

@Kylemii this read accurate to you?

by 'this' are you asking about sloonei's behavior in Christmas? I legitimately don't remember anything about that game other than choosing to kill sloonei over nanook after bussing both you and sig, and then scumslipping because of something marmot said. I basically played that whole game in a fugue state.

I wasn’t in Christmas I ran it

[Thunal33]

From a mechanical standpoint Hyena's role would make more sense as a town role and be almost entirely protown. It would be possible to use such a role in a way that benefits mafia but in general it would benefit town a lot more.

[tutuu]

i think tutuu is townier now so she's my choice if there are truly no downsides

mafia even more incentivized to kill my ass T_T

pls noooo

[Alison]

Why should we believe you are being 100% truthful about your role?
Do you intend to engage in any scum hunting this game?

you don't, but you can make me bargain with people in the POE if you want. I'm honestly happier if that happens, that way there's less chance the mafia might shoot them. that way if anything bad happens to them they eat the bullet, not the consensus town. I read my role PM, realized that it was better to open claim than walk a tightrope trying to give people bargains while looking town in the thread to avoid dying, and gave you all the details. that's all

no, I don't intend to do any scum hunting this game. to put it bluntly, the alignments of the players in this game are irrelevant to my win condition, and I don't want to incentivize the mafia to kill me.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I believe Hyena's claim since it would be a horrible tactic as a complete fakeclaim. I still don't know what kind of roles The Syndicate tends to put in their games, would a role that talks to the dead be an exclusively town role or is it a plausible mafia or 3p role here too?

I don’t think roles are tied to alignment this game

What makes you say that?

The host posting that roles were assigned randomly like five minutes ago

[Kylemii]

oh i'm at work rn btw. responding to things as I can

tldr re me and wilgy: both me and wilgy are kinda just throwing votes around cuz it's fun. Hynea chose to vote me in a OMGUS type.

I want Hynea to give a read on wilgy

there is no rush, take your time and get back to things when you can.

Do you have any serious/confident reads yet?

uhhh yeah i think i can find a few

so tutuu is town, not cuz range, she can always make shit up, but i see passion behind the stories i didn't see in bread

mac is town cuz he think i'm bad and wants to push that

Wilgy i'm pretty neutral on, don't see an agenda, but don't see goodness either.

sloonei is very still comfortably in his town range, the way he's approaching me reminds me of bike. Could mean he's mafia and is trying to make me remember that, but also could just be how Sloonei towns. I actually don't know sloonei's scum moves now that I think about it...but if how he acted in Bike was consistent to how he plays when he isn't scum, he's deff town.

I think LC is town just based on my thread interactions with him. He reads like he did at the beginning of bread where everyone went after him because....? don't do that here.

but yeah. Hyena claimed i guess? sure why not

I did not play Bike.

christmas sorry, time is an illusion. Kyle was in that game too.

@Kylemii this read accurate to you?

by 'this' are you asking about sloonei's behavior in Christmas? I legitimately don't remember anything about that game other than choosing to kill sloonei over nanook after bussing both you and sig, and then scumslipping because of something marmot said. I basically played that whole game in a fugue state.

I wasn’t in Christmas I ran it

That's probably what made it such an easy decision to kill Sloonei instead of you.

[dunya]

Since I've been asked this question in different ways, by multiple people privately: roles are not carbon copies of past games!

You think Epi and dunya would make the 2020 game of CHAMPS that easy?

[Alison]

[tutuu, LC, drwilgy] is my bargain pool for tonight, any violent objections speak now or forever hold your peace

oh hey @Alison could you please take me out? i think im towncore and im likely going to die and you giving me a tracker would go to waste

i dont think that you should make deals with towncore people at least for now

i nominate Thunal33 and 112 to be added to your pool

[thunal, 112, wilgy, LC] pool then?

[Thunal33]

I believe Hyena's claim since it would be a horrible tactic as a complete fakeclaim. I still don't know what kind of roles The Syndicate tends to put in their games, would a role that talks to the dead be an exclusively town role or is it a plausible mafia or 3p role here too?

I don’t think roles are tied to alignment this game

What makes you say that?

The host posting that roles were assigned randomly like five minutes ago

Pretty sure she meant the host didn't pick people's roles manually, not that alignment didn't affect role.

[tutuu]

From a mechanical standpoint Hyena's role would make more sense as a town role and be almost entirely protown. It would be possible to use such a role in a way that benefits mafia but in general it would benefit town a lot more.

a role mechanically benefitting town is a good motivation to make it mafia-aligned so that people townread it, just like you are wanting to do . there's your mafia benefit to the role

(im not saying hyena is necessarily scum for that role but i think townreading the mechanics of the role is a mistake even if he's town)

[Sloonei]

I believe Hyena's claim since it would be a horrible tactic as a complete fakeclaim. I still don't know what kind of roles The Syndicate tends to put in their games, would a role that talks to the dead be an exclusively town role or is it a plausible mafia or 3p role here too?

I don’t think roles are tied to alignment this game

What makes you say that?

The host posting that roles were assigned randomly like five minutes ago

I took that to mean that roles were not tailor made for individual players.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I believe Hyena's claim since it would be a horrible tactic as a complete fakeclaim. I still don't know what kind of roles The Syndicate tends to put in their games, would a role that talks to the dead be an exclusively town role or is it a plausible mafia or 3p role here too?

I don’t think roles are tied to alignment this game

What makes you say that?

The host posting that roles were assigned randomly like five minutes ago

Pretty sure she meant the host didn't pick people's roles manually, not that alignment didn't affect role.

Hm

Maybe

That’s not how I read it but

Maybe

[dunya]

All roles were randomly assigned using random.org's List Randomizer. Period. I'll post the screenshot postgame. Now please stop asking me about that. Thank you!

Randomly assigned to the players***

I need to sleep.

[tutuu]

[tutuu, LC, drwilgy] is my bargain pool for tonight, any violent objections speak now or forever hold your peace

oh hey @Alison could you please take me out? i think im towncore and im likely going to die and you giving me a tracker would go to waste

i dont think that you should make deals with towncore people at least for now

i nominate Thunal33 and 112 to be added to your pool

[thunal, 112, wilgy, LC] pool then?

im fine with that!

[Sloonei]

Why should we believe you are being 100% truthful about your role?
Do you intend to engage in any scum hunting this game?

you don't, but you can make me bargain with people in the POE if you want. I'm honestly happier if that happens, that way there's less chance the mafia might shoot them. that way if anything bad happens to them they eat the bullet, not the consensus town. I read my role PM, realized that it was better to open claim than walk a tightrope trying to give people bargains while looking town in the thread to avoid dying, and gave you all the details. that's all

no, I don't intend to do any scum hunting this game. to put it bluntly, the alignments of the players in this game are irrelevant to my win condition, and I don't want to incentivize the mafia to kill me.

Why are you not concerned about the potential negative ramifications of roleclaiming alluded to in the rules?

[MacDougall]

Hard claim alignment cop.

Each night I re-check my role PM to make sure that I am still town because I am scumsiding so hard.

[MacDougall]

[nutella]

I believe Hyena's claim since it would be a horrible tactic as a complete fakeclaim. I still don't know what kind of roles The Syndicate tends to put in their games, would a role that talks to the dead be an exclusively town role or is it a plausible mafia or 3p role here too?

I don’t think roles are tied to alignment this game

What makes you say that?

The host posting that roles were assigned randomly like five minutes ago

that was about whether they were randomly assigned to people (re: made's player-flavor hypothesis)
nothing to do with the alignments of roles

i dont think we should assume roles aren't tied to alignment, it's a complex game where the role powers are going to have alignment relevance

[nutella]

ok im late but yeah

[Alison]

also what power should I give tonight?

[dyachei]

i dont want thunal in there. im concerned about her

[Alison]

Why should we believe you are being 100% truthful about your role?
Do you intend to engage in any scum hunting this game?

you don't, but you can make me bargain with people in the POE if you want. I'm honestly happier if that happens, that way there's less chance the mafia might shoot them. that way if anything bad happens to them they eat the bullet, not the consensus town. I read my role PM, realized that it was better to open claim than walk a tightrope trying to give people bargains while looking town in the thread to avoid dying, and gave you all the details. that's all

no, I don't intend to do any scum hunting this game. to put it bluntly, the alignments of the players in this game are irrelevant to my win condition, and I don't want to incentivize the mafia to kill me.

Why are you not concerned about the potential negative ramifications of roleclaiming alluded to in the rules?

because I don't have better alternatives and I'm giving mafia multiple incentives to keep me alive

[tutuu]

also what power should I give tonight?

the only pro-town thing is tracker right?

[Sloonei]

I believe Hyena's claim since it would be a horrible tactic as a complete fakeclaim. I still don't know what kind of roles The Syndicate tends to put in their games, would a role that talks to the dead be an exclusively town role or is it a plausible mafia or 3p role here too?

I don’t think roles are tied to alignment this game

What makes you say that?

The host posting that roles were assigned randomly like five minutes ago

Pretty sure she meant the host didn't pick people's roles manually, not that alignment didn't affect role.

Hm

Maybe

That’s not how I read it but

Maybe

I don’t even know how you could have interpreted it any other way, but I also can’t think of any reason why you’d lie about this, so

[tutuu]

also what power should I give tonight?

the only pro-town thing is tracker right?

oh wait

roleblock, protection, bus-driving

i forgot about that

bus-driving broken

can the person given bus-drive by you self-target by that bus-drive? @Alison

[Alison]

also what power should I give tonight?

the only pro-town thing is tracker right?

I can give each power once only, so I can only make one person a tracker. but no, I have bus driver and doctor in there too.

[MacDougall]

you guys are making this game real boring with all this mech role nonsense.

[tutuu]

also what power should I give tonight?

the only pro-town thing is tracker right?

I can give each power once only, so I can only make one person a tracker. but no, I have bus driver and doctor in there too.

oh i didnt know that. hmm. okay let us think. day got extended by 24 hours so we got a lotta time

[Hyena]

to put it bluntly, the alignments of the players in this game are irrelevant to my win condition, and I don't want to incentivize the mafia to kill me.

Are you enjoying your role? Like, do you find it fun?

[Syn]

also what power should I give tonight?

the only pro-town thing is tracker right?

I can give each power once only, so I can only make one person a tracker. but no, I have bus driver and doctor in there too.

Do these powers replace the person's preexisting power, or supplement it?

[Alison]

i dont want thunal in there. im concerned about her

that is the idea, a few people have brought up the concept of putting POE'd people in the bargain pool to see if their night actions help you read them better/make mafia choose between killing consensus town and a PR/to ensure that if I'm hiding any negative side effects from my bargains they only hit scummy people

[Hyena]

you guys are making this game real boring with all this mech role nonsense.

Sorry for claiming, lol

[Syn]

to put it bluntly, the alignments of the players in this game are irrelevant to my win condition, and I don't want to incentivize the mafia to kill me.

Are you enjoying your role? Like, do you find it fun?

She has no intention on reading or participating so I'm guessing no

[MacDougall]

every post is worse than the one before it

[MacDougall]

i fuck real fast like a fuck jackhammer

[Hyena]

i fuck real fast like a fuck jackhammer

lol

[Alison]

hyena - I find playing optimally fun. I think this is the optimal way of using my role, so yes

syn - supplement, they get the ability added

tutuu - bus driver can self target

[MacDougall]

[Hyena]

to put it bluntly, the alignments of the players in this game are irrelevant to my win condition, and I don't want to incentivize the mafia to kill me.

Are you enjoying your role? Like, do you find it fun?

She has no intention on reading or participating so I'm guessing no

That's part of why I'm, like, skeptical of Alison (that's not why I voted for her though). Like, the way she's playing doesn't seem very fun. I would kinda expect someone to make the most fun out of a role they can get, and I know Alison to be very creative from my brief interactions with her. Granted, apparently the last person who got her role did the same thing?

[Hyena]

hyena - I find playing optimally fun. I think this is the optimal way of using my role, so yes

Welp. Okay. o:

[tutuu]

hyena - I find playing optimally fun. I think this is the optimal way of using my role, so yes

syn - supplement, they get the ability added

tutuu - bus driver can self target

can your target instantly use it the night they receive it?

example you bargain with someone on night 1. they accept. can they use that new power night 1 or night 2?

also:

- thieving (steal ability of who u voted for) - is this permanent? whoever u give this power to, they permanently steal the powers of everyone they end their votes on at EoD, or only for 1 night?

[Hyena]

Anyway, gonna play some games for a bit. I'll analyze the reactions to my claim later.

[tutuu]

and 1 more question:

since no double targetting, i am assuming a bus driver can't self-target on consecutive nights, is that right?

[Alison]

to put it bluntly, the alignments of the players in this game are irrelevant to my win condition, and I don't want to incentivize the mafia to kill me.

Are you enjoying your role? Like, do you find it fun?

She has no intention on reading or participating so I'm guessing no

That's part of why I'm, like, skeptical of Alison (that's not why I voted for her though). Like, the way she's playing doesn't seem very fun. I would kinda expect someone to make the most fun out of a role they can get, and I know Alison to be very creative from my brief interactions with her. Granted, apparently the last person who got her role did the same thing?

I think I'm a fairly creative player, yeah. Like, I don't think many other people would have outed as GD or even considered the possibility that it was the right line of play. I derive fun from playing optimally though, not from screwing around. This is why I avoid stuff like crazy role madness, bastard games or mashes, and why I enjoy playing mountainous the most.

Also, I was the one who cooked up this plan for the last player to get the role.

[dyachei]

i know that's the hope but i dont want thunal in that pool tbh

[Alison]

hyena - I find playing optimally fun. I think this is the optimal way of using my role, so yes

syn - supplement, they get the ability added

tutuu - bus driver can self target

can your target instantly use it the night they receive it?

example you bargain with someone on night 1. they accept. can they use that new power night 1 or night 2?

also:

- thieving (steal ability of who u voted for) - is this permanent? whoever u give this power to, they permanently steal the powers of everyone they end their votes on at EoD, or only for 1 night?

I'll check and get back to you

[Alison]

i know that's the hope but i dont want thunal in that pool tbh

ok

[112, LC, Wilgy] is the pool

[Kylemii]

@Made after some review christmas sloon, acted similarly in christmas, though he seems more active here, which may be the result of this being a more active game in general.

also he really sorta just slam dumked you into a garbage can right out of the gate, huh

[MacDougall]

@Made after some review christmas sloon, acted similarly in christmas, though he seems more active here, which may be the result of this being a more active game in general.

also he really sorta just slam dumked you into a garbage can right out of the gate, huh

Enough now, brother Kyle.