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Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]

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Poison wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:13 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:12 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:11 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:10 am
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:08 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:07 am [VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine
Yeah, 'cause Jack is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo into fake derpclears.
The vote has much much more to do with me not believing anything about Jack's progression on me.
But Sloonei. It’s multiball. :kadaj:
On Day 1 you suspected me for things that I don't believe you would honestly suspect me for.
On Day 2 you have town-read me for things that I don't believe you would honestly town-read me for.
so what do you think he is up to ?
hmm maybe you're town
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Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]

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Poison wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:13 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:12 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:11 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:10 am
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:08 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:07 am [VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine
Yeah, 'cause Jack is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo into fake derpclears.
The vote has much much more to do with me not believing anything about Jack's progression on me.
But Sloonei. It’s multiball. :kadaj:
On Day 1 you suspected me for things that I don't believe you would honestly suspect me for.
On Day 2 you have town-read me for things that I don't believe you would honestly town-read me for.
so what do you think he is up to ?
The working theory is that Day 1 Jack was trying to throw me off my game, but Day 2 Jack thinks that will no longer work.
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Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 1]

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:17 pm
Sloonei wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:00 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:57 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:55 pm i want you to tell me first

because if i tell you what it is, then you could just say "that was my concern!', even if it wasn't
But I am town, I wouldn't do that.
the only way to prove that is to tell me what your concern is
Why did you cloak your town reads in anonymity?
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Every post Sloonei makes just doesn’t feel like town Sloonei.
I simply do not see a reason why Jack would look at posts like these and be astounded how much they don't sound like "town Sloonei." The first is a very standard town Sloonei question to ask. The second is an obvious joke.
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Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]

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Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:12 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:11 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:10 am
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:08 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:07 am [VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine
Yeah, 'cause Jack is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo into fake derpclears.
The vote has much much more to do with me not believing anything about Jack's progression on me.
But Sloonei. It’s multiball. :kadaj:
On Day 1 you suspected me for things that I don't believe you would honestly suspect me for.
On Day 2 you have town-read me for things that I don't believe you would honestly town-read me for.
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Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]

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Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:16 am
Poison wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:13 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:12 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:11 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:10 am
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:08 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:07 am [VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine
Yeah, 'cause Jack is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo into fake derpclears.
The vote has much much more to do with me not believing anything about Jack's progression on me.
But Sloonei. It’s multiball. :kadaj:
On Day 1 you suspected me for things that I don't believe you would honestly suspect me for.
On Day 2 you have town-read me for things that I don't believe you would honestly town-read me for.
so what do you think he is up to ?
The working theory is that Day 1 Jack was trying to throw me off my game, but Day 2 Jack thinks that will no longer work.
so jack wanted to get rid off you but since he couldn't he lets it slide = he is a bad guy and you are probably his enemy = you are not a bad guy ?
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Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]

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KZA wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:15 am
Poison wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:13 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:12 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:11 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:10 am
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:08 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:07 am [VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine
Yeah, 'cause Jack is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo into fake derpclears.
The vote has much much more to do with me not believing anything about Jack's progression on me.
But Sloonei. It’s multiball. :kadaj:
On Day 1 you suspected me for things that I don't believe you would honestly suspect me for.
On Day 2 you have town-read me for things that I don't believe you would honestly town-read me for.
so what do you think he is up to ?
hmm maybe you're town
yes exactly MAYBE I'm a town.
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Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]

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Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:04 am
staypositivefriend wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:39 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:33 am Hey, I just pinned that Rej post in my ISO with the intention of circling back later.
you know what they say about great minds
I basically have nothing new to add RE: esooa & rej. I was just going to ask for opinions on that big post, because I could go either way on it. How confident would you be with the suggestion that that was esooa shielding a teammate?
i would not bank on it with any level of confidence

the main thing that pushes me to feel that way is the fact that esooa outrighted ignored rej for the entire game ~until~ the pressure against him started to pick up a little bit more momentum - then she suddenly started outing a fairly confident defense of rej while still playing lip service to my suspicions of him. if she didn't out her read on rej ~until~ he was being pressured, then it implies to me that she probably had a specific agenda behind doing it. the agenda could have just been to try to TMI someone as town for towncred, in theory, but the way that she seemed particularly invested in hearing what i thought about her rej read (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2055&p=738501#p738501) made me feel like she was subtly doing it to get me to back off of rej

it aligns fairly well with how i would expect esooa to treat one of her partners under pressure
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Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 1]

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Esooa wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:58 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:59 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:57 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:55 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:49 pm Thread's asleep cmon.

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@Sloonei

Do you believe Grogu's claim?
sure
All that talk of trying extra hard huh.
hey now, i said that i was gonna low-effort :P

i think grogu claiming to be green is non-alignment indicative because it would be the easiest thing in the world to make up - it's not like he's claiming a role with specific or unique abilities. it's the equivalent of trying to read into someone that says: "i'm town", imo

but i think his tone is fine so far - even good
to be fair this read does concern me

spf knows grogu has good tone as scum, he showed that in spider verse mafia

so I don't know why she mentions this
this concern concerns me, but I see spf townie so far.
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Esooa wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:56 pm
Esooa wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:55 pm as for the "there wasn't an organic reason to do it"

I'm not so sure about that. Honestly, calling attention to your reads in such a way I almost always dislike; it just feels showy to be

but it's also something that I've seen come from town *at least* as often as scum
What is your motivation for pursuing this discussion to the extent that you are?
the fact you literally asked for it
I am not criticizing you for engaging in discussion. I am asking what is motivating you. You have taken a stance that is distinctly defensive of SPF/critical of me. Why?
my motivation is the fact I wanna post in thread cause I like talking about mafia

you asked for discussion about your read, I disagreed with the read. I gave my reasons as to why
I don't think Sloon and Esooa are in the same team because of this. :v
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Keep going, Sloonei. What do I gotta do?
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Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]

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Poison wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:20 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:16 am
Poison wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:13 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:12 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:11 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:10 am
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:08 am

Yeah, 'cause Jack is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo into fake derpclears.
The vote has much much more to do with me not believing anything about Jack's progression on me.
But Sloonei. It’s multiball. :kadaj:
On Day 1 you suspected me for things that I don't believe you would honestly suspect me for.
On Day 2 you have town-read me for things that I don't believe you would honestly town-read me for.
so what do you think he is up to ?
The working theory is that Day 1 Jack was trying to throw me off my game, but Day 2 Jack thinks that will no longer work.
so jack wanted to get rid off you but since he couldn't he lets it slide = he is a bad guy and you are probably his enemy = you are not a bad guy ?
No. Jack has told me in the past that he thinks I can be distracted and unproductive when I'm heavily pressured as town. He's got a point. A few people were tinfoiling me on Day 1 this game, and he came in late and threw fuel on those flames.

We have played together a lot, and in several very memorable games over the years. He says he is not great at reading me, but I think he is usually quite good at not misreading me when I'm town. That he did so so egregiously on Day 1 in this game suggests to me that he was not being honest about it. I suspected him for it initially, but then backed off because I thought maybe he was just trying to provide me cover so I'd make it to Day 2. I no longer believe that's what was happening.
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im only half reading the game rn while i do some chores, but i want to point out that i think jack's townread on me might be TMI, lol. it was part of the reason i was concerned about him yesterday
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Do you no longer believe that because you’re trying to read me or because I flat said that’s not what I was doing?
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staypositivefriend wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:24 am i would not bank on it with any level of confidence

the main thing that pushes me to feel that way is the fact that esooa outrighted ignored rej for the entire game ~until~ the pressure against him started to pick up a little bit more momentum - then she suddenly started outing a fairly confident defense of rej while still playing lip service to my suspicions of him. if she didn't out her read on rej ~until~ he was being pressured, then it implies to me that she probably had a specific agenda behind doing it. the agenda could have just been to try to TMI someone as town for towncred, in theory, but the way that she seemed particularly invested in hearing what i thought about her rej read (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2055&p=738501#p738501) made me feel like she was subtly doing it to get me to back off of rej

it aligns fairly well with how i would expect esooa to treat one of her partners under pressure
could you say more about why her treatment of rej is different than her treatment of mac?
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:27 am Do you no longer believe that because you’re trying to read me or because I flat said that’s not what I was doing?
i mean, both
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staypositivefriend wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:24 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:04 am
staypositivefriend wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:39 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:33 am Hey, I just pinned that Rej post in my ISO with the intention of circling back later.
you know what they say about great minds
I basically have nothing new to add RE: esooa & rej. I was just going to ask for opinions on that big post, because I could go either way on it. How confident would you be with the suggestion that that was esooa shielding a teammate?
i would not bank on it with any level of confidence

the main thing that pushes me to feel that way is the fact that esooa outrighted ignored rej for the entire game ~until~ the pressure against him started to pick up a little bit more momentum - then she suddenly started outing a fairly confident defense of rej while still playing lip service to my suspicions of him. if she didn't out her read on rej ~until~ he was being pressured, then it implies to me that she probably had a specific agenda behind doing it. the agenda could have just been to try to TMI someone as town for towncred, in theory, but the way that she seemed particularly invested in hearing what i thought about her rej read (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2055&p=738501#p738501) made me feel like she was subtly doing it to get me to back off of rej

it aligns fairly well with how i would expect esooa to treat one of her partners under pressure
I see. I have played with rej more than a few times, let's see if I can try to figure out anything from his iso. Did he talk about me though? he should.
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:25 am Keep going, Sloonei. What do I gotta do?
An indication that you're actually trying to read me would be nice.
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Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:25 am
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Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:16 am
Poison wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:13 am
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:11 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:10 am

The vote has much much more to do with me not believing anything about Jack's progression on me.
But Sloonei. It’s multiball. :kadaj:
On Day 1 you suspected me for things that I don't believe you would honestly suspect me for.
On Day 2 you have town-read me for things that I don't believe you would honestly town-read me for.
so what do you think he is up to ?
The working theory is that Day 1 Jack was trying to throw me off my game, but Day 2 Jack thinks that will no longer work.
so jack wanted to get rid off you but since he couldn't he lets it slide = he is a bad guy and you are probably his enemy = you are not a bad guy ?
No. Jack has told me in the past that he thinks I can be distracted and unproductive when I'm heavily pressured as town. He's got a point. A few people were tinfoiling me on Day 1 this game, and he came in late and threw fuel on those flames.

We have played together a lot, and in several very memorable games over the years. He says he is not great at reading me, but I think he is usually quite good at not misreading me when I'm town. That he did so so egregiously on Day 1 in this game suggests to me that he was not being honest about it. I suspected him for it initially, but then backed off because I thought maybe he was just trying to provide me cover so I'd make it to Day 2. I no longer believe that's what was happening.
while all these make sense, why wouldn't a scum!jack do this? wouldn't a town get a little bit more concerned and eager to scum!read when receiving reactions like that? what's your exact read on jack rn? townie or scummy?
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Poison wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:32 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:25 am
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Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:16 am
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Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:12 am
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But Sloonei. It’s multiball. :kadaj:
On Day 1 you suspected me for things that I don't believe you would honestly suspect me for.
On Day 2 you have town-read me for things that I don't believe you would honestly town-read me for.
so what do you think he is up to ?
The working theory is that Day 1 Jack was trying to throw me off my game, but Day 2 Jack thinks that will no longer work.
so jack wanted to get rid off you but since he couldn't he lets it slide = he is a bad guy and you are probably his enemy = you are not a bad guy ?
No. Jack has told me in the past that he thinks I can be distracted and unproductive when I'm heavily pressured as town. He's got a point. A few people were tinfoiling me on Day 1 this game, and he came in late and threw fuel on those flames.

We have played together a lot, and in several very memorable games over the years. He says he is not great at reading me, but I think he is usually quite good at not misreading me when I'm town. That he did so so egregiously on Day 1 in this game suggests to me that he was not being honest about it. I suspected him for it initially, but then backed off because I thought maybe he was just trying to provide me cover so I'd make it to Day 2. I no longer believe that's what was happening.
while all these make sense, why wouldn't a scum!jack do this? wouldn't a town get a little bit more concerned and eager to scum!read when receiving reactions like that? what's your exact read on jack rn? townie or scummy?
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. But my vote is on Jack right now, so I guess that answers your question.
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yeah the entire Sloonei-esooa interaction makes me think they are not in the same faction.
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Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:33 am
Poison wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:32 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:25 am
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Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:16 am
Poison wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:13 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:12 am On Day 1 you suspected me for things that I don't believe you would honestly suspect me for.
On Day 2 you have town-read me for things that I don't believe you would honestly town-read me for.
so what do you think he is up to ?
The working theory is that Day 1 Jack was trying to throw me off my game, but Day 2 Jack thinks that will no longer work.
so jack wanted to get rid off you but since he couldn't he lets it slide = he is a bad guy and you are probably his enemy = you are not a bad guy ?
No. Jack has told me in the past that he thinks I can be distracted and unproductive when I'm heavily pressured as town. He's got a point. A few people were tinfoiling me on Day 1 this game, and he came in late and threw fuel on those flames.

We have played together a lot, and in several very memorable games over the years. He says he is not great at reading me, but I think he is usually quite good at not misreading me when I'm town. That he did so so egregiously on Day 1 in this game suggests to me that he was not being honest about it. I suspected him for it initially, but then backed off because I thought maybe he was just trying to provide me cover so I'd make it to Day 2. I no longer believe that's what was happening.
while all these make sense, why wouldn't a scum!jack do this? wouldn't a town get a little bit more concerned and eager to scum!read when receiving reactions like that? what's your exact read on jack rn? townie or scummy?
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. But my vote is on Jack right now, so I guess that answers your question.
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so what do you think he is up to ?
The working theory is that Day 1 Jack was trying to throw me off my game, but Day 2 Jack thinks that will no longer work.
so jack wanted to get rid off you but since he couldn't he lets it slide = he is a bad guy and you are probably his enemy = you are not a bad guy ?
No. Jack has told me in the past that he thinks I can be distracted and unproductive when I'm heavily pressured as town. He's got a point. A few people were tinfoiling me on Day 1 this game, and he came in late and threw fuel on those flames.

We have played together a lot, and in several very memorable games over the years. He says he is not great at reading me, but I think he is usually quite good at not misreading me when I'm town. That he did so so egregiously on Day 1 in this game suggests to me that he was not being honest about it. I suspected him for it initially, but then backed off because I thought maybe he was just trying to provide me cover so I'd make it to Day 2. I no longer believe that's what was happening.
while all these make sense, why wouldn't a scum!jack do this? wouldn't a town get a little bit more concerned and eager to scum!read when receiving reactions like that? what's your exact read on jack rn? townie or scummy?
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. But my vote is on Jack right now, so I guess that answers your question.
ohhhh, I'm sorrryy I completely misunderstood something and thought you were townreading Jack after all that. my bad.
I see. Apologies for the confusion.

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Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:31 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:25 am Keep going, Sloonei. What do I gotta do?
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The simplest version of it is that if I was confident in your alignment, I’d have something smarter to say to it and while I’m waving a red cape, that’s not me asking you to spit at me.
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Esooa wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:58 am
Urist wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:56 am I get the feeling that LC is prob vault city so idk why he's getting wagonned atm but i said i'd sheep mac so
Poison's reaction to tsp on d0 is +enclave
C4 & spf are enclave

Like literally everyone is enclave except lc
what is vault city and why is LC that
okay, so this post is probably useful cause it's esooa's reaction to vault city and LC - whom she scum read (up to this point at least). LC can be vault city here and their interaction might have been distancing but I am just going to read this over and over again and get paranoid. tbh, I thought LC was town as far as I remember.
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:38 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:31 am
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Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:38 am
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The working theory is that Day 1 Jack was trying to throw me off my game, but Day 2 Jack thinks that will no longer work.
so jack wanted to get rid off you but since he couldn't he lets it slide = he is a bad guy and you are probably his enemy = you are not a bad guy ?
No. Jack has told me in the past that he thinks I can be distracted and unproductive when I'm heavily pressured as town. He's got a point. A few people were tinfoiling me on Day 1 this game, and he came in late and threw fuel on those flames.

We have played together a lot, and in several very memorable games over the years. He says he is not great at reading me, but I think he is usually quite good at not misreading me when I'm town. That he did so so egregiously on Day 1 in this game suggests to me that he was not being honest about it. I suspected him for it initially, but then backed off because I thought maybe he was just trying to provide me cover so I'd make it to Day 2. I no longer believe that's what was happening.
while all these make sense, why wouldn't a scum!jack do this? wouldn't a town get a little bit more concerned and eager to scum!read when receiving reactions like that? what's your exact read on jack rn? townie or scummy?
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. But my vote is on Jack right now, so I guess that answers your question.
ohhhh, I'm sorrryy I completely misunderstood something and thought you were townreading Jack after all that. my bad.
I see. Apologies for the confusion.

How do you read him? How do you read me?
i read you "not a vault city" for sure. too many factions, idk how to consider it all and judge whether you are the bad guy or not. but I don't see you scum with some people like epi, esooa, and probably Jack here.
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Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:27 am
staypositivefriend wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:24 am i would not bank on it with any level of confidence

the main thing that pushes me to feel that way is the fact that esooa outrighted ignored rej for the entire game ~until~ the pressure against him started to pick up a little bit more momentum - then she suddenly started outing a fairly confident defense of rej while still playing lip service to my suspicions of him. if she didn't out her read on rej ~until~ he was being pressured, then it implies to me that she probably had a specific agenda behind doing it. the agenda could have just been to try to TMI someone as town for towncred, in theory, but the way that she seemed particularly invested in hearing what i thought about her rej read (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2055&p=738501#p738501) made me feel like she was subtly doing it to get me to back off of rej

it aligns fairly well with how i would expect esooa to treat one of her partners under pressure
could you say more about why her treatment of rej is different than her treatment of mac?
even though mac was not the topic of conversation in the game, esooa directly brought him up and called out several people for scumreading him and for not realizing that he was ~obvious town~ doing a sick wifom strategy by staying lowkey. when esooa interacted with mac, she was focused on getting her to townread him and getting in his good graces

on the other hand, esooa ignored rej for the entirety of the game, and then suddenly outed a fairly confident townread on him when he became the topic of conversation, while still playing lip service to the idea that he ~could~ be mafia

it feels like the difference between an attempt to pocket a player that she wanted to trick vs defending someone with a specific agenda
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might be an annoying question since I didn't read much of the thread, but why did C4 die? BK was the one with 8 votes and c4 with 3 right?
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Poison wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:28 am
staypositivefriend wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:24 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:04 am
staypositivefriend wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:39 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:33 am Hey, I just pinned that Rej post in my ISO with the intention of circling back later.
you know what they say about great minds
I basically have nothing new to add RE: esooa & rej. I was just going to ask for opinions on that big post, because I could go either way on it. How confident would you be with the suggestion that that was esooa shielding a teammate?
i would not bank on it with any level of confidence

the main thing that pushes me to feel that way is the fact that esooa outrighted ignored rej for the entire game ~until~ the pressure against him started to pick up a little bit more momentum - then she suddenly started outing a fairly confident defense of rej while still playing lip service to my suspicions of him. if she didn't out her read on rej ~until~ he was being pressured, then it implies to me that she probably had a specific agenda behind doing it. the agenda could have just been to try to TMI someone as town for towncred, in theory, but the way that she seemed particularly invested in hearing what i thought about her rej read (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2055&p=738501#p738501) made me feel like she was subtly doing it to get me to back off of rej

it aligns fairly well with how i would expect esooa to treat one of her partners under pressure
I see. I have played with rej more than a few times, let's see if I can try to figure out anything from his iso. Did he talk about me though? he should.
he did. he gave a warning early on that if you were disengaged with the game, you were playing within your scum meta and should be watched out for (iirc)
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staypositivefriend wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:45 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:27 am
staypositivefriend wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:24 am i would not bank on it with any level of confidence

the main thing that pushes me to feel that way is the fact that esooa outrighted ignored rej for the entire game ~until~ the pressure against him started to pick up a little bit more momentum - then she suddenly started outing a fairly confident defense of rej while still playing lip service to my suspicions of him. if she didn't out her read on rej ~until~ he was being pressured, then it implies to me that she probably had a specific agenda behind doing it. the agenda could have just been to try to TMI someone as town for towncred, in theory, but the way that she seemed particularly invested in hearing what i thought about her rej read (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2055&p=738501#p738501) made me feel like she was subtly doing it to get me to back off of rej

it aligns fairly well with how i would expect esooa to treat one of her partners under pressure
could you say more about why her treatment of rej is different than her treatment of mac?
even though mac was not the topic of conversation in the game, esooa directly brought him up and called out several people for scumreading him and for not realizing that he was ~obvious town~ doing a sick wifom strategy by staying lowkey. when esooa interacted with mac, she was focused on getting her to townread him and getting in his good graces

on the other hand, esooa ignored rej for the entirety of the game, and then suddenly outed a fairly confident townread on him when he became the topic of conversation, while still playing lip service to the idea that he ~could~ be mafia

it feels like the difference between an attempt to pocket a player that she wanted to trick vs defending someone with a specific agenda
sorry what are you saying?
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@staypositivefriend how do you see LC-esooa interaction?
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MacDougall wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:46 am
staypositivefriend wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:45 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:27 am
staypositivefriend wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:24 am i would not bank on it with any level of confidence

the main thing that pushes me to feel that way is the fact that esooa outrighted ignored rej for the entire game ~until~ the pressure against him started to pick up a little bit more momentum - then she suddenly started outing a fairly confident defense of rej while still playing lip service to my suspicions of him. if she didn't out her read on rej ~until~ he was being pressured, then it implies to me that she probably had a specific agenda behind doing it. the agenda could have just been to try to TMI someone as town for towncred, in theory, but the way that she seemed particularly invested in hearing what i thought about her rej read (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2055&p=738501#p738501) made me feel like she was subtly doing it to get me to back off of rej

it aligns fairly well with how i would expect esooa to treat one of her partners under pressure
could you say more about why her treatment of rej is different than her treatment of mac?
even though mac was not the topic of conversation in the game, esooa directly brought him up and called out several people for scumreading him and for not realizing that he was ~obvious town~ doing a sick wifom strategy by staying lowkey. when esooa interacted with mac, she was focused on getting her to townread him and getting in his good graces

on the other hand, esooa ignored rej for the entirety of the game, and then suddenly outed a fairly confident townread on him when he became the topic of conversation, while still playing lip service to the idea that he ~could~ be mafia

it feels like the difference between an attempt to pocket a player that she wanted to trick vs defending someone with a specific agenda
sorry what are you saying?
that esooa wanted to pocket you
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MacDougall wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:46 am
staypositivefriend wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:45 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:27 am
staypositivefriend wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:24 am i would not bank on it with any level of confidence

the main thing that pushes me to feel that way is the fact that esooa outrighted ignored rej for the entire game ~until~ the pressure against him started to pick up a little bit more momentum - then she suddenly started outing a fairly confident defense of rej while still playing lip service to my suspicions of him. if she didn't out her read on rej ~until~ he was being pressured, then it implies to me that she probably had a specific agenda behind doing it. the agenda could have just been to try to TMI someone as town for towncred, in theory, but the way that she seemed particularly invested in hearing what i thought about her rej read (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2055&p=738501#p738501) made me feel like she was subtly doing it to get me to back off of rej

it aligns fairly well with how i would expect esooa to treat one of her partners under pressure
could you say more about why her treatment of rej is different than her treatment of mac?
even though mac was not the topic of conversation in the game, esooa directly brought him up and called out several people for scumreading him and for not realizing that he was ~obvious town~ doing a sick wifom strategy by staying lowkey. when esooa interacted with mac, she was focused on getting her to townread him and getting in his good graces

on the other hand, esooa ignored rej for the entirety of the game, and then suddenly outed a fairly confident townread on him when he became the topic of conversation, while still playing lip service to the idea that he ~could~ be mafia

it feels like the difference between an attempt to pocket a player that she wanted to trick vs defending someone with a specific agenda
sorry what are you saying?
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oh

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who is not with Esooa

me
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okay lets continue reading!
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Esooa wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:17 pm btw, does anyone remember a single content-ful post ChopChop has made

I just looked and he has 33 posts and I remember none
@ChopChop would you say something along the line about your scummate?
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Poison wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:52 am who is not with Esooa

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okay lets continue reading!
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Poison wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:47 am @staypositivefriend how do you see LC-esooa interaction?
i havent looked at them yet, but the specific point that sloonei brought up about esooa pretending not to know what faction long con was accused of being is 10000000000% something she would do to her partner

i think i worded that badly but w/e
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Oh and ChopChop is definitely not on esooa’s team.
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staypositivefriend wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:54 am
Poison wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:47 am @staypositivefriend how do you see LC-esooa interaction?
i havent looked at them yet, but the specific point that sloonei brought up about esooa pretending not to know what faction long con was accused of being is 10000000000% something she would do to her partner

i think i worded that badly but w/e
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staypositivefriend wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:54 am
Poison wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:47 am @staypositivefriend how do you see LC-esooa interaction?
i havent looked at them yet, but the specific point that sloonei brought up about esooa pretending not to know what faction long con was accused of being is 10000000000% something she would do to her partner

i think i worded that badly but w/e
that was me who pointed it !!! out but yes it did look bad on LC.
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Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:55 am
staypositivefriend wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:54 am
Poison wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:47 am @staypositivefriend how do you see LC-esooa interaction?
i havent looked at them yet, but the specific point that sloonei brought up about esooa pretending not to know what faction long con was accused of being is 10000000000% something she would do to her partner

i think i worded that badly but w/e
LC had a strong reaction to my suggestion that they’re partnered within the last couple of pages as well. I haven’t figured out what I think about it yet, but it was Interesting and I think people should look at it.
oh so you said something about it too. I missed that.
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Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:41 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:38 am
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:31 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:25 am Keep going, Sloonei. What do I gotta do?
An indication that you're actually trying to read me would be nice.
This post is frustrating in a way that I don’t think I can adequately express.
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And that’s even the key but, here. Little things. I never voted you yesterday. Intentionally didn’t push you much because I know that does tend to derail you, which yeah, is a problem for your town game but it also makes it harder for me to read you. But you’re accusing me of pushing you hard to derail you as a wolf strategy. That’s stupid. Town you shouldn’t believe that. Townies believe a lot of stupid things, tho.

You asked me for my read on you today and I said something like “gth? Wolf.” The implication there being that I need a gth because I’m not sure.

Then you started digging into Esooa and lol multiball but I didn’t see anything agenday so I say something like “that makes me feel a little better” and you’re like indignant that I’d swap my hard scum read on you for a hard townread and I’m like “Is Sloonei tunneling me or is he just full of shit?”

And because I’m a mafia genius, I figure I’ll just poke you with a stick and see if you do something interesting and now you’re like “I don’t even think you’re trying to read me, Jack.” Which is frustrating because your response to me trying to read you is what I was trying to get you to do while also being unhelpful while also saying I’m not doing the thing I’m doing.
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okay i'm gonna ask this again, do we know why c4 died?
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Poison wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:56 am
staypositivefriend wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:54 am
Poison wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:47 am @staypositivefriend how do you see LC-esooa interaction?
i havent looked at them yet, but the specific point that sloonei brought up about esooa pretending not to know what faction long con was accused of being is 10000000000% something she would do to her partner

i think i worded that badly but w/e
that was me who pointed it !!! out but yes it did look bad on LC.
I had also pointed it out earlier
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who is not with Esooa

me
sloonei
spf
alison
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chopchop (but why not?)
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Poison wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:59 am okay i'm gonna ask this again, do we know why c4 died?
Our best guess is the town day vig.
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Poison wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:53 am
Esooa wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:17 pm btw, does anyone remember a single content-ful post ChopChop has made

I just looked and he has 33 posts and I remember none
@ChopChop would you say something along the line about your scummate?
Well I haven’t said anything about you yet so I think we’re looking good.
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Poison wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:00 am who is not with Esooa

me
sloonei
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alison
epi
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chopchop (but why not?)
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