Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

#18701

i buy michelle's explanation. damn this game is tough

#18702

I hinted at town having too many ways to intervene in the lynch

#18703

back to hyena i guess lol

[VOTE: hyena] aubergine

#18704

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:06 am i buy michelle's explanation. damn this game is tough

Yes, it is, it's the game of champions after all

#18705

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:06 am The problem is, when town has a way to change the lynch, has a double vote, and I forgot what else, is logic to have a tie breaker in town too?

I understand this question, but also, is there any logic to these roles anymore? Wilgy had a role that was town but could turn the flip into false positives. We have had doctor in TSP, roleblocker in Martin and a 1-shot super protect in me. That is a lot of town protecting power. I don't know.

#18706

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:03 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:45 am There is one thing that bothers me. @Michelle Why were you so adamant about defending yourself at EoD8 with phrases like "Do you really want a town flip that bad" etc? When you knew that you would not be yeeted in any case, because you could just use your power on someone you scum read?
I explained i had a doubt, after so many days of suspecting her she came with the ignore for me, JPIC said this is not ok and tried to make peace, and she said I was gaslighting her and after I searched the meaning of the word she kind of backtracked and i wasn't so sure I am right she is scum. The accusation of gaslighting is serious and I doubted she would use it on me as scum to intimidate me. However, after today she sweared I am scum I think my reserve i had is not well placed.
I prefered to not use my only one shot on her if i have a doubt, so I choose Alison and I received answer i can't because she is not in the poll.
The thing is, being so close to Eod i didn't have time to think again at tutuu, and please take count it was after monday when i worked all day and I had to be afk to have some time with my family.
Sometimes game is not my no 1 priority, i have to apologise for this.

Alright. This does make sense. I don't think gaslighting is a "dirty" word actually. But I'm also not a native English speaker myself.

#18707

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:06 am i buy michelle's explanation. damn this game is tough

I buy it too. Problem is I buy everyone.

#18708

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:10 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:06 am The problem is, when town has a way to change the lynch, has a double vote, and I forgot what else, is logic to have a tie breaker in town too?
I understand this question, but also, is there any logic to these roles anymore? Wilgy had a role that was town but could turn the flip into false positives. We have had doctor in TSP, roleblocker in Martin and a 1-shot super protect in me. That is a lot of town protecting power. I don't know.

Was mafia equally powerful?
How this makes sense?

#18709

tbf, has anything in this game made any sense

#18710

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:26 amWas mafia equally powerful?
How this makes sense?

I can't answer this. I didn't make the setup. No matter what and who could be scum, town has had a looot of powers.

#18711

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:12 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:03 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:45 am There is one thing that bothers me. @Michelle Why were you so adamant about defending yourself at EoD8 with phrases like "Do you really want a town flip that bad" etc? When you knew that you would not be yeeted in any case, because you could just use your power on someone you scum read?
I explained i had a doubt, after so many days of suspecting her she came with the ignore for me, JPIC said this is not ok and tried to make peace, and she said I was gaslighting her and after I searched the meaning of the word she kind of backtracked and i wasn't so sure I am right she is scum. The accusation of gaslighting is serious and I doubted she would use it on me as scum to intimidate me. However, after today she sweared I am scum I think my reserve i had is not well placed.
I prefered to not use my only one shot on her if i have a doubt, so I choose Alison and I received answer i can't because she is not in the poll.
The thing is, being so close to Eod i didn't have time to think again at tutuu, and please take count it was after monday when i worked all day and I had to be afk to have some time with my family.
Sometimes game is not my no 1 priority, i have to apologise for this.
Alright. This does make sense. I don't think gaslighting is a "dirty" word actually. But I'm also not a native English speaker myself.

It's not a dirty word, but as serious accusation it's a thing that made me doubt myself and it's like a hit under the belt in box. Mafia can do this but it's low sportsmanship. My thought at eod was that she would not do this.
But... I explained already...

i didn't know that, what's your native language?

#18712

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:28 am tbf, has anything in this game made any sense

Yeah, I mean, we're saying that, but look: The only actually unsolved thing that has happened is LC getting my role when investigating Michelle.

Nothing else has been unexplained or out of sync, really. It's just that Wilgy and Made had totally insane claims that only made sense in retrospect.

But the piece about Wilgy getting my role is the only thing that is unaccounted for. I don't know if it could be a mod error still.

(And the kills on Jack/TSP, but we have a good guess they were retroactive mod kills I guess)

#18713

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:32 amIt's not a dirty word, but as serious accusation it's a thing that made me doubt myself and it's like a hit under the belt in box. Mafia can do this but it's low sportsmanship. My thought at eod was that she would not do this.
But... I explained already...

i didn't know that, what's your native language?

I see. And my native tongue is norwegian.

#18714

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:30 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:26 amWas mafia equally powerful?
How this makes sense?
I can't answer this. I didn't make the setup. No matter what and who could be scum, town has had a looot of powers.

As experienced player you know town has great power when mafia has them. Then until now we don't have a flipped mafia with such powers, they were rather cubs than real wolves.

Let's imagine the setup without the demon powers from Alison

#18715

Don't tell me Michelle thought I was one of the MURICANS

No shade.

Actually... a little bit of shade. =p

#18716

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:35 amAs experienced player you know town has great power when mafia has them. Then until now we don't have a flipped mafia with such powers, they were rather cubs than real wolves.

Let's imagine the setup without the demon powers from Alison

Well, apparently not. I don't know anything more than you about this or how the game is balanced. That is all subjective stuff, mods to it in different ways. But town has had a lot of powers already, we know that for sure.

#18717

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:33 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:28 am tbf, has anything in this game made any sense
Yeah, I mean, we're saying that, but look: The only actually unsolved thing that has happened is LC getting my role when investigating Michelle.

Nothing else has been unexplained or out of sync, really. It's just that Wilgy and Made had totally insane claims that only made sense in retrospect.

But the piece about Wilgy getting my role is the only thing that is unaccounted for. I don't know if it could be a mod error still.

(And the kills on Jack/TSP, but we have a good guess they were retroactive mod kills I guess)

You know, tutuu was first to speculate a mod kill, and looked pretty sure about that
Who is the first to know a thing, if not the one who pushed for that thing to happen?

#18718

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:36 am Don't tell me Michelle thought I was one of the MURICANS

No shade.

Actually... a little bit of shade. =p

i won't say...

#18719

tbh i assume everyone on the internet is a MURICAN

#18720

For Tutu to be scum she has to be exactly an investigative immune mafia role. I can't say that I find that very likely. In fact, I find it very unlikely.

#18721

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:35 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:32 amIt's not a dirty word, but as serious accusation it's a thing that made me doubt myself and it's like a hit under the belt in box. Mafia can do this but it's low sportsmanship. My thought at eod was that she would not do this.
But... I explained already...

i didn't know that, what's your native language?
I see. And my native tongue is norwegian.

I know your language is similar to german, sound similar ^^

#18722

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:41 am For Tutu to be scum she has to be exactly an investigative immune mafia role. I can't say that I find that very likely. In fact, I find it very unlikely.

Immune yes, but why investigative?

#18723

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:40 am tbh i assume everyone on the internet is a MURICAN

#18724

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:42 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:41 am For Tutu to be scum she has to be exactly an investigative immune mafia role. I can't say that I find that very likely. In fact, I find it very unlikely.
Immune yes, but why investigative?

Because she has been investigated as town by Kyle and tracked going nowhere by LC.
Investigative immune meaning immune to investigation.

#18725

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:41 amI know your language is similar to german, sound similar ^^

Yeah, it's similar-ish.

#18726

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:44 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:42 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:41 am For Tutu to be scum she has to be exactly an investigative immune mafia role. I can't say that I find that very likely. In fact, I find it very unlikely.
Immune yes, but why investigative?
Because she has been investigated as town by Kyle and tracked going nowhere by LC.
Investigative immune meaning immune to investigation.

Isn't this the definition of Godfather?

#18727

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:48 am tutuu can stand there and look pretty while this all happens

Hihihihi

#18728

In what night was that track?

#18729

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:47 amIsn't this the definition of Godfather?

Godfathers usually aren't track immune. Only show town to cop.

#18730

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:48 am In what night was that track?

This past night.

#18731

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:47 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:44 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:42 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:41 am For Tutu to be scum she has to be exactly an investigative immune mafia role. I can't say that I find that very likely. In fact, I find it very unlikely.
Immune yes, but why investigative?
Because she has been investigated as town by Kyle and tracked going nowhere by LC.
Investigative immune meaning immune to investigation.
Isn't this the definition of Godfather?

in my experience, a godfather wouldn't mess with a track result

#18732

How many wolves should be in a game with 27 players?

#18733

If Michelle uses her power on Tutu and Tutu is town ->

- 4 bargainees in thread, 4 non bargainees.
- Me and LC does the track/block. LC is protected.
- Scum will have to kill me if I'm not successful in blocking the kill, or else I'll still be around with a block.
- LC will be alive with a result.
- I will announce who I block. They are either confirmed or there is no kill.

We still keep this in balance.

#18734

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:52 am If Michelle uses her power on Tutu and Tutu is town ->

- 4 bargainees in thread, 4 non bargainees.
- Me and LC does the track/block. LC is protected.
- Scum will have to kill me if I'm not successful in blocking the kill, or else I'll still be around with a block.
- LC will be alive with a result.
- I will announce who I block. They are either confirmed or there is no kill.

We still keep this in balance.

I can't use it on Tutuu because she is not in the poll
And she is very happy about it too

#18735

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:51 am How many wolves should be in a game with 27 players?

I think 6. 7 seems too many imo with two 3ps

Also, think the kill on HK points only to one left, really. Due to him being tracked not killing the previous night

#18736

There is one reason HK could be killed: Alison is the one we are looking for and HK was not a bargainee.

Why would mafia not kill a tracker or someone they knew had received a pro town power by Alison? This could be the reason me and LC are still alive.

Maybe I'm being dumb again. This game is just really puzzling right now.

#18737

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:54 amI can't use it on Tutuu because she is not in the poll
And she is very happy about it too

Oh shit. That is the second time taking someone out of the poll has been kind of garbage lol.

#18738

tutuu hasn't accepted the bargain power, right?

#18739

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:55 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:51 am How many wolves should be in a game with 27 players?
I think 6. 7 seems too many imo with two 3ps

Also, think the kill on HK points only to one left, really. Due to him being tracked not killing the previous night

I don't get it, HK is town

#18740

I don't think that she should either tbh

#18741

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:54 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:52 am If Michelle uses her power on Tutu and Tutu is town ->

- 4 bargainees in thread, 4 non bargainees.
- Me and LC does the track/block. LC is protected.
- Scum will have to kill me if I'm not successful in blocking the kill, or else I'll still be around with a block.
- LC will be alive with a result.
- I will announce who I block. They are either confirmed or there is no kill.

We still keep this in balance.
I can't use it on Tutuu because she is not in the poll
And she is very happy about it too

indeed i am

#18742

Honestly. Maybe this is the day we no yeet. I know it sounds insane, but it may work. We have guaranteed results of some kind next day from one track and one block.

#18743

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:58 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:55 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:51 am How many wolves should be in a game with 27 players?
I think 6. 7 seems too many imo with two 3ps

Also, think the kill on HK points only to one left, really. Due to him being tracked not killing the previous night
I don't get it, HK is town

Yes, but he was tracked not killing the previous night and was pretty conf town because of it, sort of

#18744

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:58 am I don't think that she should either tbh

Same.

@tutuu Your mother lied to you.

#18745

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:56 am There is one reason HK could be killed: Alison is the one we are looking for and HK was not a bargainee.

Why would mafia not kill a tracker or someone they knew had received a pro town power by Alison? This could be the reason me and LC are still alive.

Maybe I'm being dumb again. This game is just really puzzling right now.

Is this insane?

#18746

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:00 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:58 am I don't think that she should either tbh
Same.

@tutuu Your mother lied to you.

Okiii

If i dont accept then alison is yeetable tomorrow provided she isnt hidden in poll

#18747

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:00 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:56 am There is one reason HK could be killed: Alison is the one we are looking for and HK was not a bargainee.

Why would mafia not kill a tracker or someone they knew had received a pro town power by Alison? This could be the reason me and LC are still alive.

Maybe I'm being dumb again. This game is just really puzzling right now.
Is this insane?

Doc dodge is possible for the HK kill

#18748

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:00 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:56 am There is one reason HK could be killed: Alison is the one we are looking for and HK was not a bargainee.

Why would mafia not kill a tracker or someone they knew had received a pro town power by Alison? This could be the reason me and LC are still alive.

Maybe I'm being dumb again. This game is just really puzzling right now.
Is this insane?

This does make sense to me

Could alison actually be mafia lol? Her role could be mafia gambit demon?

#18749

No emoji

#18750

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:01 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:00 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:56 am There is one reason HK could be killed: Alison is the one we are looking for and HK was not a bargainee.

Why would mafia not kill a tracker or someone they knew had received a pro town power by Alison? This could be the reason me and LC are still alive.

Maybe I'm being dumb again. This game is just really puzzling right now.
Is this insane?
Doc dodge is possible for the HK kill

What doc?

Call your shot...