Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Justplayingitcool]

I've been skimming.

I want to get chopped today, I think. That way, LC can track Syn and Dizzy can block Michelle.

Also, how does the stealing mechanic work? Would it work on Michelle to, like, use her ability to switch the chop targets?

kyle already stole from Michelle and didn't receive anything

I'd be impressed if syn is mafia from the radish thing

Alright, then maybe roleblock AND track Michelle if you're feeling confident about Syn.

nah, we should target them both separately. I'd just be surprised, is all

[tutuu]

i like it when u call me missy that sounds so cute its like i caused trouble and ur scolding me and i like it very much when u scold me like that pls call me missy more

[Hyena]

I've been skimming.

I want to get chopped today, I think. That way, LC can track Syn and Dizzy can block Michelle.

Also, how does the stealing mechanic work? Would it work on Michelle to, like, use her ability to switch the chop targets?

kyle already stole from Michelle and didn't receive anything

I'd be impressed if syn is mafia from the radish thing

Alright, then maybe roleblock AND track Michelle if you're feeling confident about Syn.

nah, we should target them both separately. I'd just be surprised, is all

When I flip, PLEASE reconsider everything I've said if you're town.

[Justplayingitcool]

I've been skimming.

I want to get chopped today, I think. That way, LC can track Syn and Dizzy can block Michelle.

Also, how does the stealing mechanic work? Would it work on Michelle to, like, use her ability to switch the chop targets?

kyle already stole from Michelle and didn't receive anything

I'd be impressed if syn is mafia from the radish thing

Alright, then maybe roleblock AND track Michelle if you're feeling confident about Syn.

nah, we should target them both separately. I'd just be surprised, is all

When I flip, PLEASE reconsider everything I've said if you're town.

Reconsider who?

[Hyena]

@Dyslexicon I'm assuming you knew Michelle's power once the day started via Syn's role check thing? If so, did you think we were always going to no-yeet, or did you think we might chop someone? If it was the former, why didn't you want us to focus on Tutuu today?

[Hyena]

I've been skimming.

I want to get chopped today, I think. That way, LC can track Syn and Dizzy can block Michelle.

Also, how does the stealing mechanic work? Would it work on Michelle to, like, use her ability to switch the chop targets?

kyle already stole from Michelle and didn't receive anything

I'd be impressed if syn is mafia from the radish thing

Alright, then maybe roleblock AND track Michelle if you're feeling confident about Syn.

nah, we should target them both separately. I'd just be surprised, is all

When I flip, PLEASE reconsider everything I've said if you're town.

Reconsider who?

Dizzy, but all the "mech clears" in general.

[tutuu]

@Dyslexicon I'm assuming you knew Michelle's power once the day started via Syn's role check thing? If so, did you think we were always going to no-yeet, or did you think we might chop someone? If it was the former, why didn't you want us to focus on Tutuu today?

lc tracked me to nowhere last night

[Hyena]

@Dyslexicon I'm assuming you knew Michelle's power once the day started via Syn's role check thing? If so, did you think we were always going to no-yeet, or did you think we might chop someone? If it was the former, why didn't you want us to focus on Tutuu today?

lc tracked me to nowhere last night

I know. I think BOTH of you and Dizzy are mafia.

[Justplayingitcool]

I've been skimming.

I want to get chopped today, I think. That way, LC can track Syn and Dizzy can block Michelle.

Also, how does the stealing mechanic work? Would it work on Michelle to, like, use her ability to switch the chop targets?

kyle already stole from Michelle and didn't receive anything

I'd be impressed if syn is mafia from the radish thing

Alright, then maybe roleblock AND track Michelle if you're feeling confident about Syn.

nah, we should target them both separately. I'd just be surprised, is all

When I flip, PLEASE reconsider everything I've said if you're town.

Reconsider who?

Dizzy, but all the "mech clears" in general.

I've explained before why I think dizzy is unlikely to be mafia from my PoV. I'm town and I've been roleblocked.

If Dizzy is mafia, they've essentially confirmed me as town by not killing, reducing the overall PoE. Why roleblock essentially a useless role? Dizzy didn't have to come out swinging and confirm they roleblocked me either.

[tutuu]

m-m-m-m-m-me????

m-m-m-m-m-mafia?!?!?!?!??

[Hyena]

If Dizzy is mafia, they've essentially confirmed me as town by not killing, reducing the overall PoE. Why roleblock essentially a useless role? Dizzy didn't have to come out swinging and confirm they roleblocked me either.

To further pocket you.

[Justplayingitcool]

If Dizzy is mafia, they've essentially confirmed me as town by not killing, reducing the overall PoE. Why roleblock essentially a useless role? Dizzy didn't have to come out swinging and confirm they roleblocked me either.

To further pocket you.

It's a possibility, I suppose. Though I think it's unlikely. I will certainly reconsider if we somehow both make it to f3

I take it you've dropped your scum read on me? why?

[Justplayingitcool]

@Dyslexicon I'm assuming you knew Michelle's power once the day started via Syn's role check thing? If so, did you think we were always going to no-yeet, or did you think we might chop someone? If it was the former, why didn't you want us to focus on Tutuu today?

Even if we wanted to focus on tutuu we can't because poll shenanigans

[Hyena]

If Dizzy is mafia, they've essentially confirmed me as town by not killing, reducing the overall PoE. Why roleblock essentially a useless role? Dizzy didn't have to come out swinging and confirm they roleblocked me either.

To further pocket you.

It's a possibility, I suppose. Though I think it's unlikely. I will certainly reconsider if we somehow both make it to f3

I take it you've dropped your scum read on me? why?

If I'm right about Dizzy, and I don't think you are with them. They way Dizzy is handling you right now compared to how they're handling the non mechclears makes me think they want to keep you on their side to help chop us. There's 8 people alive at the moment -- if all three of me, Michelle, and Syn are town, and you chop all three of us eventually, then you don't even need to be chopped for scum to win. Thus, it doesn't even matter if you end up confirmed or not -- just as long as you continue going after the three of us.

[Hyena]

@Dyslexicon I'm assuming you knew Michelle's power once the day started via Syn's role check thing? If so, did you think we were always going to no-yeet, or did you think we might chop someone? If it was the former, why didn't you want us to focus on Tutuu today?

Even if we wanted to focus on tutuu we can't because poll shenanigans

When I say focus, I mean talk about Tutuu, and pull up non-mechanical reasons whe she could or may not be scum. I'm talking about looking at her past interactions with dead players and analyze them to see if we can figure out anything about her alignment. I'm not talking about votes right now.

[Hyena]

@Dyslexicon I'm assuming you knew Michelle's power once the day started via Syn's role check thing? If so, did you think we were always going to no-yeet, or did you think we might chop someone? If it was the former, why didn't you want us to focus on Tutuu today?

Even if we wanted to focus on tutuu we can't because poll shenanigans

When I say focus, I mean talk about Tutuu, and pull up non-mechanical reasons whe she could or may not be scum. I'm talking about looking at her past interactions with dead players and analyze them to see if we can figure out anything about her alignment. I'm not talking about votes right now.

Basically, I'm asking you guys to do what I've been doing the whole game, and stop focusing on the mechanics.

[Hyena]

@Dyslexicon I'm assuming you knew Michelle's power once the day started via Syn's role check thing? If so, did you think we were always going to no-yeet, or did you think we might chop someone? If it was the former, why didn't you want us to focus on Tutuu today?

Even if we wanted to focus on tutuu we can't because poll shenanigans

When I say focus, I mean talk about Tutuu, and pull up non-mechanical reasons whe she could or may not be scum. I'm talking about looking at her past interactions with dead players and analyze them to see if we can figure out anything about her alignment. I'm not talking about votes right now.

Basically, I'm asking you guys to do what I've been doing the whole game, and stop focusing on the mechanics.

We don't even need to necessarily talk specifically about Tutuu. Dizzy neither if you think they are town. I'm telling you that I'm town, and that I believe Michelle and Syn are town. There are other players we can talk about, and we're going to need to talk about them if we're both correct in our reads.

[Justplayingitcool]

If Dizzy is mafia, they've essentially confirmed me as town by not killing, reducing the overall PoE. Why roleblock essentially a useless role? Dizzy didn't have to come out swinging and confirm they roleblocked me either.

To further pocket you.

It's a possibility, I suppose. Though I think it's unlikely. I will certainly reconsider if we somehow both make it to f3

I take it you've dropped your scum read on me? why?

If I'm right about Dizzy, and I don't think you are with them. They way Dizzy is handling you right now compared to how they're handling the non mechclears makes me think they want to keep you on their side to help chop us. There's 8 people alive at the moment -- if all three of me, Michelle, and Syn are town, and you chop all three of us eventually, then you don't even need to be chopped for scum to win. Thus, it doesn't even matter if you end up confirmed or not -- just as long as you continue going after the three of us.

Thing is, if we no yeet and roleblock/track two of the three of you, and it turns out a kill still went through and a track resulted in nothing incriminating then that mech clears and we wouldn't/shouldn't chop either of them.

[Alison]

Hm, wait, dizzy's plan doesn't work for me if mafia kill a bargainee

4/5, after night is 3/5, mafia outed, you exe, is 3/4

so there's a chance I lose if we follow this plan

[Justplayingitcool]

@Dyslexicon I'm assuming you knew Michelle's power once the day started via Syn's role check thing? If so, did you think we were always going to no-yeet, or did you think we might chop someone? If it was the former, why didn't you want us to focus on Tutuu today?

Even if we wanted to focus on tutuu we can't because poll shenanigans

When I say focus, I mean talk about Tutuu, and pull up non-mechanical reasons whe she could or may not be scum. I'm talking about looking at her past interactions with dead players and analyze them to see if we can figure out anything about her alignment. I'm not talking about votes right now.

I still tr tutuu but by all means look into her past interactions if you believe you have a read there

[Hyena]

If Dizzy is mafia, they've essentially confirmed me as town by not killing, reducing the overall PoE. Why roleblock essentially a useless role? Dizzy didn't have to come out swinging and confirm they roleblocked me either.

To further pocket you.

It's a possibility, I suppose. Though I think it's unlikely. I will certainly reconsider if we somehow both make it to f3

I take it you've dropped your scum read on me? why?

If I'm right about Dizzy, and I don't think you are with them. They way Dizzy is handling you right now compared to how they're handling the non mechclears makes me think they want to keep you on their side to help chop us. There's 8 people alive at the moment -- if all three of me, Michelle, and Syn are town, and you chop all three of us eventually, then you don't even need to be chopped for scum to win. Thus, it doesn't even matter if you end up confirmed or not -- just as long as you continue going after the three of us.

Thing is, if we no yeet and roleblock/track two of the three of you, and it turns out a kill still went through and a track resulted in nothing incriminating then that mech clears and we wouldn't/shouldn't chop either of them.

Who are you going to look at in that case? Like, do you have any sort of plan how you're going to figure out who the last scum is if that happens?

[Justplayingitcool]

If Dizzy is mafia, they've essentially confirmed me as town by not killing, reducing the overall PoE. Why roleblock essentially a useless role? Dizzy didn't have to come out swinging and confirm they roleblocked me either.

To further pocket you.

It's a possibility, I suppose. Though I think it's unlikely. I will certainly reconsider if we somehow both make it to f3

I take it you've dropped your scum read on me? why?

If I'm right about Dizzy, and I don't think you are with them. They way Dizzy is handling you right now compared to how they're handling the non mechclears makes me think they want to keep you on their side to help chop us. There's 8 people alive at the moment -- if all three of me, Michelle, and Syn are town, and you chop all three of us eventually, then you don't even need to be chopped for scum to win. Thus, it doesn't even matter if you end up confirmed or not -- just as long as you continue going after the three of us.

Thing is, if we no yeet and roleblock/track two of the three of you, and it turns out a kill still went through and a track resulted in nothing incriminating then that mech clears and we wouldn't/shouldn't chop either of them.

Who are you going to look at in that case? Like, do you have any sort of plan how you're going to figure out who the last scum is if that happens?

Nope

[Hyena]

If Dizzy is mafia, they've essentially confirmed me as town by not killing, reducing the overall PoE. Why roleblock essentially a useless role? Dizzy didn't have to come out swinging and confirm they roleblocked me either.

To further pocket you.

It's a possibility, I suppose. Though I think it's unlikely. I will certainly reconsider if we somehow both make it to f3

I take it you've dropped your scum read on me? why?

If I'm right about Dizzy, and I don't think you are with them. They way Dizzy is handling you right now compared to how they're handling the non mechclears makes me think they want to keep you on their side to help chop us. There's 8 people alive at the moment -- if all three of me, Michelle, and Syn are town, and you chop all three of us eventually, then you don't even need to be chopped for scum to win. Thus, it doesn't even matter if you end up confirmed or not -- just as long as you continue going after the three of us.

Thing is, if we no yeet and roleblock/track two of the three of you, and it turns out a kill still went through and a track resulted in nothing incriminating then that mech clears and we wouldn't/shouldn't chop either of them.

Who are you going to look at in that case? Like, do you have any sort of plan how you're going to figure out who the last scum is if that happens?

Nope

Do you understand now from my PoV why I'm frustrated?

[Kylemii]

steal from jpic makes sense except that I'm worried if my vote gets nullified I won't be able to borrow from alison the next day

[Michelle]

I am extremely upset that Kyle desconsidered the convo we had yday with LC when he said he will not take anyone from the poll. Stealing LCs ability and use it is antitown.
Taking exactly tutuu who was a CFD attempt from HK looks very bad especially after HKs flip.
Why died HK?
Why let mafia Kyle to help town so much? Something is not right

[Justplayingitcool]

To further pocket you.

It's a possibility, I suppose. Though I think it's unlikely. I will certainly reconsider if we somehow both make it to f3

I take it you've dropped your scum read on me? why?

If I'm right about Dizzy, and I don't think you are with them. They way Dizzy is handling you right now compared to how they're handling the non mechclears makes me think they want to keep you on their side to help chop us. There's 8 people alive at the moment -- if all three of me, Michelle, and Syn are town, and you chop all three of us eventually, then you don't even need to be chopped for scum to win. Thus, it doesn't even matter if you end up confirmed or not -- just as long as you continue going after the three of us.

Thing is, if we no yeet and roleblock/track two of the three of you, and it turns out a kill still went through and a track resulted in nothing incriminating then that mech clears and we wouldn't/shouldn't chop either of them.

Who are you going to look at in that case? Like, do you have any sort of plan how you're going to figure out who the last scum is if that happens?

Nope

Do you understand now from my PoV why I'm frustrated?

If you're town, then yes. I dunno, I just tr dizzy from just having the exact same thoughts and perspective from this game so far

[Justplayingitcool]

I am extremely upset that Kyle desconsidered the convo we had yday with LC when he said he will not take anyone from the poll. Stealing LCs ability and use it is antitown.
Taking exactly tutuu who was a CFD attempt from HK looks very bad especially after HKs flip.
Why died HK?
Why let mafia Kyle to help town so much? Something is not right

LC said he wasn't going to use it but did it anyway

[Justplayingitcool]

steal from jpic makes sense except that I'm worried if my vote gets nullified I won't be able to borrow from alison the next day

You can steal, and I guess the mods will ask you over/under? I don't know if you're forced to guess, I just always have been tbh

[Michelle]

I am extremely upset that Kyle desconsidered the convo we had yday with LC when he said he will not take anyone from the poll. Stealing LCs ability and use it is antitown.
Taking exactly tutuu who was a CFD attempt from HK looks very bad especially after HKs flip.
Why died HK?
Why let mafia Kyle to help town so much? Something is not right

LC said he wasn't going to use it but did it anyway

LC didn't use it, Kyle used it on tutuu today after stealing it

[Michelle]

Why don't you steal from Tutuu to check her claim?
You avoided this last time...

[Justplayingitcool]

I am extremely upset that Kyle desconsidered the convo we had yday with LC when he said he will not take anyone from the poll. Stealing LCs ability and use it is antitown.
Taking exactly tutuu who was a CFD attempt from HK looks very bad especially after HKs flip.
Why died HK?
Why let mafia Kyle to help town so much? Something is not right

LC said he wasn't going to use it but did it anyway

LC didn't use it, Kyle used it on tutuu today after stealing it

LC claimed he used it on dizzy at the start of the day. obvs we know kyle stole it, but the intent was still there

[Michelle]

I am extremely upset that Kyle desconsidered the convo we had yday with LC when he said he will not take anyone from the poll. Stealing LCs ability and use it is antitown.
Taking exactly tutuu who was a CFD attempt from HK looks very bad especially after HKs flip.
Why died HK?
Why let mafia Kyle to help town so much? Something is not right

LC said he wasn't going to use it but did it anyway

LC didn't use it, Kyle used it on tutuu today after stealing it

LC claimed he used it on dizzy at the start of the day. obvs we know kyle stole it, but the intent was still there

I see.

My question stays, why is not mafia killing Kyle, who is constantly helping town apparently, and is not protected since forever? Why HK?

[Michelle]

Sorry i think i killed the language again

[Dyslexicon]

@Dyslexicon I'm assuming you knew Michelle's power once the day started via Syn's role check thing? If so, did you think we were always going to no-yeet, or did you think we might chop someone? If it was the former, why didn't you want us to focus on Tutuu today?

Yeah, I knew from start of day. I mostly wanted Michelle to have an opportunity to either lie as scum or tell the truth as town, but she chose neither option. And why do you think I haven't wanted us to focus on Tutu today? Focus on whoever you want. Tutu is out of the poll today though.

[Justplayingitcool]

I am extremely upset that Kyle desconsidered the convo we had yday with LC when he said he will not take anyone from the poll. Stealing LCs ability and use it is antitown.
Taking exactly tutuu who was a CFD attempt from HK looks very bad especially after HKs flip.
Why died HK?
Why let mafia Kyle to help town so much? Something is not right

LC said he wasn't going to use it but did it anyway

LC didn't use it, Kyle used it on tutuu today after stealing it

LC claimed he used it on dizzy at the start of the day. obvs we know kyle stole it, but the intent was still there

I see.

My question stays, why is not mafia killing Kyle, who is constantly helping town apparently, and is not protected since forever? Why HK?

HK heavily spewed town from sloonei iso. Was also tracked not killing.

I do agree that kyle using the poll remover is weird, but it would make sense if he tr tutuu

[Dyslexicon]

Nobody is scum. Or it's actually Tutu or actually Syn wow.

[tutuu]

I am extremely upset that Kyle desconsidered the convo we had yday with LC when he said he will not take anyone from the poll. Stealing LCs ability and use it is antitown.
Taking exactly tutuu who was a CFD attempt from HK looks very bad especially after HKs flip.
Why died HK?
Why let mafia Kyle to help town so much? Something is not right

LC said he wasn't going to use it but did it anyway

LC didn't use it, Kyle used it on tutuu today after stealing it

LC claimed he used it on dizzy at the start of the day. obvs we know kyle stole it, but the intent was still there

I see.

My question stays, why is not mafia killing Kyle, who is constantly helping town apparently, and is not protected since forever? Why HK?

presumably because alison is the one making the kills and she is leaving kyle and LC and dizzy alive because they are bargainees to fulfill her wincon and out of the people who aren't bargainees she decided hollowkat was the hardest to mischop

[Dyslexicon]

When I say focus, I mean talk about Tutuu, and pull up non-mechanical reasons whe she could or may not be scum. I'm talking about looking at her past interactions with dead players and analyze them to see if we can figure out anything about her alignment. I'm not talking about votes right now.

I have done this too. She doesn't have clearing interactions with flipped scum as far as I'm concerned. Probably good with Sloonei who called her town early on, reads more tmi. Not so good interactions with Cat. She looks quite bad in the Marmot vote, but to be fair, so does you and jpic.

[Dyslexicon]

Could just be Alison.

We could try to yeet her, and then I'll be yeeted too and at the very least I'll get some sweet relief.

[tutuu]

if i was mafia i could have optimized any of the scum yeets better but i didnt so im town unless im mafia who purposely didnt optimize any of them for the sole purpose of making this argument now to try to acquire townreads

[Justplayingitcool]

When I say focus, I mean talk about Tutuu, and pull up non-mechanical reasons whe she could or may not be scum. I'm talking about looking at her past interactions with dead players and analyze them to see if we can figure out anything about her alignment. I'm not talking about votes right now.

I have done this too. She doesn't have clearing interactions with flipped scum as far as I'm concerned. Probably good with Sloonei who called her town early on, reads more tmi. Not so good interactions with Cat. She looks quite bad in the Marmot vote, but to be fair, so does you and jpic.

I made a post on Marmot's ISO a while ago and why I tr tutuu from it. Thought Marmot was treating HK and tutuu exactly the same way

[tutuu]

by optimize i mean - make myself look better after those players flip

[Dyslexicon]

Was Radishes a bargainee?

[Justplayingitcool]

Was Radishes a bargainee?

nope, I don't think so

[Dyslexicon]

Wilgy's role made Tutu's role look green to her when she opened it before the game started, but she is actually mafia and Michelle knows this because Michelle is psychic.

[Justplayingitcool]

Radishes acquired a roleblock from syn

[Dyslexicon]

nope, I don't think so

Oh, I thought he was, but I can't keep track. In that case, Alison still makes some sense here. And then it also makes sense HK with a useless power died in front of me and LC.

[Alison]

I am extremely upset that Kyle desconsidered the convo we had yday with LC when he said he will not take anyone from the poll. Stealing LCs ability and use it is antitown.
Taking exactly tutuu who was a CFD attempt from HK looks very bad especially after HKs flip.
Why died HK?
Why let mafia Kyle to help town so much? Something is not right

LC said he wasn't going to use it but did it anyway

LC didn't use it, Kyle used it on tutuu today after stealing it

LC claimed he used it on dizzy at the start of the day. obvs we know kyle stole it, but the intent was still there

I see.

My question stays, why is not mafia killing Kyle, who is constantly helping town apparently, and is not protected since forever? Why HK?

presumably because alison is the one making the kills and she is leaving kyle and LC and dizzy alive because they are bargainees to fulfill her wincon and out of the people who aren't bargainees she decided hollowkat was the hardest to mischop

I'm a 3P, I'm not making any kills. I strongly signalled I was protecting bargainees last night and mafia can't afford to miss a kill, plus they know if they kill a bargainee I'll be annoyed at them and townside during F3.

[Dyslexicon]

After Ted died, Radishes and HK have died.

[tutuu]

Wilgy's role made Tutu's role look green to her when she opened it before the game started, but she is actually mafia and Michelle knows this because Michelle is psychic.

LOL

i mean to be honest

fair enough

that is a possibility