Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Kylemii]

so the ideal target tonight would have been tutuu actually

[Kylemii]

uh I guess I could steal from hyena

[Kylemii]

or just vote on the wagon

[Kylemii]

OR IF SYN IS DYING ANYWAYS I SHOULD VOTE HIM AND STEAL HIS POWER TO STEAL THE POWERS OF THE MOST RECENTLY YEETED GUY AND hoo baby that's a spicy meatbal [VOTE: made] aubergine

[Kylemii]

[VOTE: syn*] aubergine

[Hyena]

uh I guess I could steal from hyena

If you steal from me, then I can't do what I just said I wanted to do tonight. :P

[Hyena]

I feel like the number of people who kill HK should be a pretty narrow margin right? am I wrong in thinking HK was widely town read? why kill HK over someone with a more threatening role that would be harder to yeet?

I already theorized why earlier, and it had to do with everyone focusing so much on mechanics and people being mechanically cleared. The more mechanics that are still in the game, the more ways mafia can mess around with them to get "mechanically cleared". Also, pretty much all the town that has died weren't really focusing much on mechanics as they were reads (see HK, Tim, Made, and even Wilgy to a degree).

[Hyena]

@Alison @Dyslexicon @Hyena @Justplayingitcool @Kylemii @Long Con @Michelle @Syn

stuff that need to be clarified, please let me know because i dont remember everything:

1) when was dead nutella put in contact with LC by hyena's role
2) when did kyle steal alison's power in order to offer her a bargain
3) when did wilgy attempt to visit michelle, and was it on the same night MR made wilgy visit himself, and was all of that on the same night ted used his busdrive?
4) did hyena try to put dyachei with nutella in contact during n2?
5) who did hyena try to put in contact with again on n4, n5, n6, n7, and n8?
6) what were all of long con's track targets again, as well as all of his remove-from-poll targets again and on which nights?
7) who were kyle's targets that he stole from using alisons' power on all days, and what did he do with all of those actions?
8) who did master radish use his self-redirect on on n4, n5, n6 and n7?
9) what were all of syn's targets from n4 and onwards
10) apart from michelle and jpic claiming ted's songs does anyone else claim them?
11) does anyone except tutuu and kyle claim to have played baseball with sloonei?

#1, #4, #5:

N1 - Cat with Jack (to prove what I can do)
N2 - Dyachei with Nutella (I think I was curious about Dya's read on Thunal?)
N3 - Mac with Tim (because I was townreading Tim)
N4 - Nutella with Long Con (I forgot why)
N5 - Mac with Syn (Because of Tim vs Syn dynamics and because I was townreading Syn)
N6 - Jack with Nutella (Jack asked for this, and confirmed he got it before he got shot)
N7 - Wilgy with Syn (Dizzy suggested Wilgy due to being confused about mechanics)
N8 - Tim with Hollowkatt (I was townreading both and I thought they'd be able to work with each other)

[Long Con]

[VOTE: made] aubergine

That IS spicy!

[Syn]

OR IF SYN IS DYING ANYWAYS I SHOULD VOTE HIM AND STEAL HIS POWER TO STEAL THE POWERS OF THE MOST RECENTLY YEETED GUY AND hoo baby that's a spicy meatbal [VOTE: made] aubergine

this will collapse the universe probably

[Kylemii]

2) when did kyle steal alison's power in order to offer her a bargain

this was.... day 6 night 7 i think. yes. voted day 6, made the deal night 6, deal accepted day 7

7) who were kyle's targets that he stole from using alisons' power on all days, and what did he do with all of those actions?

night 3 stole tim's laser and shoot nanook
night 4 stole..... uh.... from wilgy. given the options between carl and stefan i chose carl and targeted wilgy himself
night 5 michelle which i either wasn't able to steal, or wasn't required to submit a target for after stealing
night 6 alison make deal with alison, to give her a medical degree in medicine
night 7 made, which gave me an additional vote instead of a bus to drive
night 8 long con to remove tutuu from poll

i think this is right? and as mentioned, tim steal lines up with targeting uhhhh tutuu, and stealing from wilgy lines up with targeting ted. i think.

let me know if there is anything wrong here and i will accept required fines for reparations

[Kylemii]

my iso is a nightmare, i really do just say whatever the fuck i want whenever i want, how do you guys stand it

[Michelle]

wait

even if we agree to No Chop

we can force michelle to redirect it to No Chop

right?

so we should always vote michelle and have her confirm her power?

if her power is confirmed i think shes always town

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

@Michelle Is this possible? Maybe you answered already.

Technically, I understand it is

[Michelle]

Anyways, you guys figure it out. The no yeet plan doesn't work when mafia can holster. Sorry for wasting time, I was trying to be ultra safe.

@Michelle needs to out in thread who she chooses in the poll. We can't enter the night with any surprises, I think. So just make it public.

If game doesn't end, I'll block whoever. I can't say who if I'm going to get tracked obviously.

And now it's late. Good night.

Understood, mafia holstering passed through my mind too

[Michelle]

@Michelle Select me for your action pls

Why exactly you?

[Michelle]

@Michelle if ur gonna use ur ability dont hammer yet pls (if it can hammer)

if it can hammer let me accept alison's deal please coz i still havent responded to it

with that said does anyone still have any objections to me accepting alison's deal or do i have the green light? @Alison @Dyslexicon @Hyena @Justplayingitcool @Kylemii @Long Con @Michelle @Syn @tutuu

I don't hammer, rest assured. I think i could, but I don't want to
Town needs the day to discuss

[Syn]

@Michelle Select me for your action pls

Why exactly you?

because I have no intention of being here for tomorrow's "hey maybe it's syn" boogaloo and people will absolutely waste a bunch of time tinfoiling me if I am still here

I have no value to the endgame

[Michelle]

Now i have to catch up

[Michelle]

@Michelle Select me for your action pls

Why exactly you?

because I have no intention of being here for tomorrow's "hey maybe it's syn" boogaloo and people will absolutely waste a bunch of time tinfoiling me if I am still here

I have no value to the endgame

You are one of my villa reads like HK was, please reconsider.
But let me first catch up

[Syn]

i'll cry if you force me to live

do you want that on your conscience???

[Michelle]

if I survive, we are just going to be doing this again tomorrow and I have no interest in being a part of it

this happens every time I endgame and nobody ever listens to me because they think their fancy wishy washy play is going to get the solve and then they find out that keeping "idk that syn guy is an option" until the end wasn't helpful after all

Who is your top scum read Syn?

Barring any revelations, it's just a process of elimination for me now

You can see that as lazy, and it might be, but there is no strong reason to deviate from it (yet)

the plan I laid out a page or two ago will go a long way toward uncovering deception, as it clears you and Dizzy

I town-read Dizzy, but I also think Dizzy is best positioned to be a wolf who's had us fooled all along

with you and Dizzy hard cleared, with LC protected, with Alison town-siding, you're in a good position to win by attrition if not a slam dunk

chop you today, deflect onto me
clear dizzy, clear you, LC remains alive, Alison remains alive

if the wolf shoots Alison, it will kill tutuu instead because of her accepting the gambit (and tutuu should accept to ensure Alison's continued loyalty)

killing tutuu removes your tinfoil, so the wolf won't want to shoot there

so Alison is safe, LC is safe

Dizzy can be shot if he's not the wolf, but that still clears you because his block would have prevented w!michelle from shooting

you can be shot, but for what purpose?

that leaves kyle, tutuu, JPIC, and hyena for containing the wolf and the victim

I can get this, thanks

[Michelle]

i'll cry if you force me to live

do you want that on your conscience???

Never

[Michelle]

I don't know if my point is coming across.

I have a really hard time finding anyone scum here.
I will never get there if it's Kyle, jpic, Tutu or Michelle. I don't think it's Hyena. My "biggest" suspects are Syn and LC, and they aren't even that big suspects.

One of the best things I can come up with is like "Maybe LC is godfather and lied about Ted's targeting and that's why Wilgy got my role. His choices for targets have been kind of weird." And that doesn't sound all that convincing to me. But I should probably ISO if I get the time tomorrow.

I know I've made my worry about Alison clear. I know Alison must find that annoying. I get it. I'm just trying to look out for town. But if everyone in this game is like, ok, let's just trust her and see what happens, then whatever. If we lose, lolk. If Alison wins and we get stuck with there actually being a mafia here, then great for Alison and we'll probably win too.

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But please listen to this:

I'm pretty sure there's a way we can keep Alison on the bay AND keep confirming town/outing mafia.

Look. Alison said she protected me tonight, so she can definitely protect LC this night.

- I can roleblock someone. Let's say Syn. I announce who I block. If I die, that person is not scum.
- LC can track someone. Let's say me or Hyena.

If I die the bargainee/others ratio is 4/4 if Tutu doesn't accept.
Let's say both Syn and Hyena comes out clean from the night. THEN would you wonder if Alison is in fact a threat?

Like, how many confirmed town and in how many ways do we have to have before we start wondering if the confirmed non-town may be the one we should worry about?

AND - If Syn or Hyena or whoever we want to target comes out as outed mafia because they were tracked or blocked, then huzzah! We have the outed mafia. Alison has been telling the truth. We accept her bargain so that she reaches her wincon BEFORE we chop the last scum, since she's been so helpful all game. We can then literally just do a bargain with Alison so she wins and then yeet the last scum. Everyone wins!

It's literally just a matter of caution. And it's because I can't for the life of me say I have any one scum read that I have a lot of confidence in. And I had the same feeling last day.

I confirm that I read this post, and i agree with helping Alison. Town would not be in this state without her anyway

[Justplayingitcool]

I think out of all the mechanical info we have, i trust lc the least

[Michelle]

I know I'm not the one making the nightkills. Your concern is understandable but there are a lot of things pointing to the fact that I'm not a hostile 3P (I could rehash them here if you want but I think you already know them). I was on board with your plan when it looked like it was a mech lock since I trust this player list to give me my win con if I townside and they out the last mafia. The problem is that I'm no longer confident your plan outs the last mafia because of the possibility of 2 mafia and yes, you yourself being mafia. I know you are adamant that you are towncleared and are annoyed by scumreads on you, but I have the same feeling when you point fingers at how I could be dangerous despite a plethora of other factors saying otherwise.

If the game is harder than just "no exe and wrap it up, game is mech locked" then I have to complete my win con ASAP or I risk throwing away the win. If there is 2 mafia it's not a mech lock. Nor is it a mech lock if you're mafia. I know you are confident it is a mech lock but I don't see the game the same way you do so I have to play around the possibility that the game drags on and my bargainees start dropping dead or people turn on me out of paranoia, which means I want to accomplish my win con as soon as possible. This has been my goal from the start. That's why I don't support a no exe now.

Alison like usual, a very logical PoV
I don't think no exe is useful at all because if mafia is holstering we will repeat the current day, except I am vanilised.

[Justplayingitcool]

Im at the point where i think we have wrongly cleared someone

[Justplayingitcool]

Have we seen any evidence of redirection apart from that wilgy night?

[Michelle]

Alison has no incentive to protect anyone if we're going to refuse bargains. Critical flaw in your golden plan.

She does if she doesn’t want her bargainees to be nk by mafia

I'll probably continue protecting my bargainees regardless. My concern is that the game is harder than Dizzy makes it out to be, and you flip a scum and don't end the game - or don't flip a scum at all, and then suddenly everything is a mess and I am no longer guaranteed to win.

I am advocating for no exe, quite simply because it stops that from happening. You should be on board with this idea if you are concerned about the same things as me, because in a world where tomorrow is not a mech lock you do need the extra yeet to help resolve someone's role.

That's my case for no exe. I can't change what you - or more saliently, Michelle - decides, I'm just pointing out my POV and concerns.

Wait are you for exe or not exe?

[Justplayingitcool]

Alison is against no exe

[Michelle]

Im at the point where i think we have wrongly cleared someone

I'm talking about this for days already

Have we seen any evidence of redirection apart from that wilgy night?

Ask @tutuu and @Dyslexicon about mechs

[Michelle]

Alison is against no exe

I thought the same but that post confused me

[Justplayingitcool]

@tutuu - can you remind me what you said on how it was possible kyle didn’t hit LC again?

[Justplayingitcool]

Im at the point where i think we have wrongly cleared someone

I'm talking about this for days already

Have we seen any evidence of redirection apart from that wilgy night?

Ask @tutuu and @Dyslexicon about mechs

LC feels like the most sense to me atm

[Justplayingitcool]

What if this mystery redirector is a red herring

[tutuu]

@tutuu - can you remind me what you said on how it was possible kyle didn’t hit LC again?

Kyles role cant tell when he was roleblocked

He could have been roleblocked N2

If LC is mafia he played tetris with his mafia buddy marmot d2, and if so, marmot naturally lost on purpose, giving LC a 1 shot roleblock effective as of n2

[Michelle]

I am at work but i can't focus at it
You may be right, and if this is correct then LC pocketed me 100%

I should work though

[tutuu]

I just accepted alisons deal

[Justplayingitcool]

@tutuu - can you remind me what you said on how it was possible kyle didn’t hit LC again?

Kyles role cant tell when he was roleblocked

He could have been roleblocked N2

If LC is mafia he played tetris with his mafia buddy marmot d2, and if so, marmot naturally lost on purpose, giving LC a 1 shot roleblock effective as of n2

I think LC lost the tetris game

We should determine if marmot would want to take the risk in giving a town a free roleblock. It's why there's a good chance syn is town for losing on purpose to give radish a roleblock

[Justplayingitcool]

If tetris and poll hider are both mafia roles, which role is more useful?

[tutuu]

Tetris

[Justplayingitcool]

We have literally killed two townies because of the redirection mess. WHO WAS THE ONE WHO TOLD US THAT THERE WAS A REDIRECTOR????

[Justplayingitcool]

@tutuu - can you remind me what you said on how it was possible kyle didn’t hit LC again?

Kyles role cant tell when he was roleblocked

He could have been roleblocked N2

If LC is mafia he played tetris with his mafia buddy marmot d2, and if so, marmot naturally lost on purpose, giving LC a 1 shot roleblock effective as of n2

I think LC lost the tetris game

We should determine if marmot would want to take the risk in giving a town a free roleblock. It's why there's a good chance syn is town for losing on purpose to give radish a roleblock

hmmm

if marmot won the tetris game, then how would kyle be roleblocked? @tutuu

[Justplayingitcool]

my tinfoil is collapsing as we speak

[tutuu]

LC claimed that he lost. If hes town he lost.

If hes mafia he lied about losing and he in fact won and he had a roleblock

[tutuu]

We have literally killed two townies because of the redirection mess. WHO WAS THE ONE WHO TOLD US THAT THERE WAS A REDIRECTOR????

*bites lip*

[tutuu]

Im naturally not going to use my silencer power tonight or ever

If i die for whatever reason and someone is faking being silenced tomorrow - theyre either evil or ... redirector ... :P

[Justplayingitcool]

LC claimed that he lost. If hes town he lost.

If hes mafia he lied about losing and he in fact won and he had a roleblock

But if he's mafia who lied about losing, why would they decide marmot should lose instead of LC?

Did they think marmot was going down and LC had a good chance of being a deepwolf?

[tutuu]

LC claimed that he lost. If hes town he lost.

If hes mafia he lied about losing and he in fact won and he had a roleblock

But if he's mafia who lied about losing, why would they decide marmot should lose instead of LC?

Did they think marmot was going down and LC had a good chance of being a deepwolf?

Ud always lose on purpose as the tetrisbrole if ur both mafia

If the tetris role wins they steal the ability. No net gain for wolves

If the tetris role loses the other person wins a roleblock, nothing happens to the tetris role. Net gain for wolves (unless i misremember the role)

[Justplayingitcool]

Day 2 Ends

It was during the same dream that Rob experienced another unusual mammal. This time it was a Marmot.

Atop a rock in the scenic mountains, it glared into the distance. After a moment, it uttered a piercing screech.

This caused a strange multicolored avalanche, in which the rocks became blocks and disappeared the moment they all lined up.

Rob woke up after this, reminded of a game he had seen on his dad's computer.

The storm was over, but it was still dark outside.



Did you know it takes ten blocks across to make a line in Tetris disappear? Marmot got ten votes across. He's going to disappear now.

Spoiler: show

Marmot was Alexey Pajitnov, Mafia.

As the developer of Tetris, you enjoy a mental challenge. Each Night, you will select someone to take you on. During the next Day phase, you and your target can attempt Tetris as many times as you like. Upon completion of a game, when it asks for your initials, you must enter the first three letters of your username on The Syndicate. You will then take a screenshot and submit this as proof to the hosts. Only one submission is permitted (subsequent submissions will not be counted). If your target prevails, he or she shall receive a one shot block to use the next Night (Get it? Block? Ha!). If your target fails to beat your submitted score, you will assume control of any and all abilities that individual has the following Night, which you may use even as you issue a challenge to a new target.

It is now Night 2. You have until 5pm EST to submit your Night action(s) to both hosts.

@tutuu - you are right. I thought marmot loses his role for the night, but it doesn't seem so

the tunnel is back on

[tutuu]

If there is 1 wolf left only i think its LC

If theres 2 wolves left i think one of them is Dizzy but i have no backup its just a random thought