Modern Family Hydra Mafia [GAME END]

[Honey & Vinegar]

99.53% curmudgeonly

[TwoAndThrough]

I don't know what the cases on Poop and BT are. I have legit reasons to scumread TAT. Those three seem like the only wagons with any momentum so since we are 1 hour from EOD I am probably going to votepark on TAT.

One, four, okay, who's counting?

Don't split hairs please. Poop Explosions went up to 3 earlier so there is clearly some interest in that wagon and you know that is what I meant.

I was just laughing at the time zone thing.

As to your vote, what happened to "you know you can't read me and I know I can't read you so wait until day three and if there are no pelts we just kill each other"? All of a sudden you want to claim a day one read on me? Has being in hydra chat with Nutella damaged you?

i formally retract any non-scum read i have on you

what the fuck

For laughing at a time error I am suddenly a scum? WTF?

[Honey & Vinegar]

voting tspic for now

[Alison]

I was just laughing at the time zone thing.

As to your vote, what happened to "you know you can't read me and I know I can't read you so wait until day three and if there are no pelts we just kill each other"? All of a sudden you want to claim a day one read on me? Has being in hydra chat with Nutella damaged you?

Didn't we just get off a game where we thunderdomed D1? I pushed you D1 in COV too.

I mean I accept that you're not easy to read and that if I can't get a solid lock on you I'm going to chill and watch your results. But if I see you do something scummy I'm not just going to turn a blind eye because it's D1 and it's astounding you would expect me of all people to do so.

[Akemi Hazelnut]

I was just laughing at the time zone thing.

As to your vote, what happened to "you know you can't read me and I know I can't read you so wait until day three and if there are no pelts we just kill each other"? All of a sudden you want to claim a day one read on me? Has being in hydra chat with Nutella damaged you?

Didn't we just get off a game where we thunderdomed D1? I pushed you D1 in COV too.

I mean I accept that you're not easy to read and that if I can't get a solid lock on you I'm going to chill and watch your results. But if I see you do something scummy I'm not just going to turn a blind eye because it's D1 and it's astounding you would expect me of all people to do so.

Hydra games are hard.

[Bottom Text]

I don't know what the cases on Poop and BT are. I have legit reasons to scumread TAT. Those three seem like the only wagons with any momentum so since we are 1 hour from EOD I am probably going to votepark on TAT.

One, four, okay, who's counting?

Don't split hairs please. Poop Explosions went up to 3 earlier so there is clearly some interest in that wagon and you know that is what I meant.

I was just laughing at the time zone thing.

As to your vote, what happened to "you know you can't read me and I know I can't read you so wait until day three and if there are no pelts we just kill each other"? All of a sudden you want to claim a day one read on me? Has being in hydra chat with Nutella damaged you?

i formally retract any non-scum read i have on you

what the fuck

For laughing at a time error I am suddenly a scum? WTF?

yes

definitely not the second line that reeks of all kinds of strawmanning and ad homineming bullshit

it's certainly the fact that you teased her over mixing up times

gottem

[Akemi Hazelnut]

voting tspic for now

What's your case on TSPIC?

[Bottom Text]

I was just laughing at the time zone thing.

As to your vote, what happened to "you know you can't read me and I know I can't read you so wait until day three and if there are no pelts we just kill each other"? All of a sudden you want to claim a day one read on me? Has being in hydra chat with Nutella damaged you?

Didn't we just get off a game where we thunderdomed D1? I pushed you D1 in COV too.

I mean I accept that you're not easy to read and that if I can't get a solid lock on you I'm going to chill and watch your results. But if I see you do something scummy I'm not just going to turn a blind eye because it's D1 and it's astounding you would expect me of all people to do so.

is this a nutella or alison post

[Akemi Hazelnut]

yes

definitely not the second line that reeks of all kinds of strawmanning and ad homineming bullshit

it's certainly the fact that you teased her over mixing up times

gottem

To be fair to Tim this is the kind of thing he'd write as town.

It's also the kind of thing he'd write as scum though so it doesn't change my opinion of him at all. I'm scumreading him for the weird triangle vote stuff and waffling on who the scum on his wagon was.

[Honey & Vinegar]

voting tspic for now

What's your case on TSPIC?

they have a lot of posts that are asking meaningless questions. also the "we can talk in btsc" thing is suspect. in general they appear to be looking busy.

[Akemi Hazelnut]

They have been kind of under my radar to be honest. I haven't taken much notice of them.

[Honey & Vinegar]

also i haven't read pages ~10 to ~20 and mantis hasn't read pages ~2 to ~20 so ymmv on our reads for now

[Honey & Vinegar]

They have been kind of under my radar to be honest. I haven't taken much notice of them.

seems like a great reason to vote for them honestly

[Bottom Text]

yes

definitely not the second line that reeks of all kinds of strawmanning and ad homineming bullshit

it's certainly the fact that you teased her over mixing up times

gottem

To be fair to Tim this is the kind of thing he'd write as town.

It's also the kind of thing he'd write as scum though so it doesn't change my opinion of him at all. I'm scumreading him for the weird triangle vote stuff and waffling on who the scum on his wagon was.

blink blink

noted, i guess

i formally partially unretract that retraction but it's still a yucky post

[Akemi Hazelnut]

I am leafing through their ISO. I actually see your point about a bunch of meaningless questions.

[Honey & Vinegar]

julinook top candidate for tspic's partner

current solve is tspic - julinook - falconknows

[Akemi Hazelnut]

I am also bothered by the "we can speak outside the thread?" derpclear thing. I'm not convinced JPIC legitimately doesn't know this given that the whole point of a hydra is to have multiple players working together behind one account. I also find it strange that TSP sent him 0 messages so far. I don't think it's JPIC's style to fake a derpclear but TSP might. Or a wolf partner might tell them to do it.

[trans rights]

I don't know what the cases on Poop and BT are. I have legit reasons to scumread TAT. Those three seem like the only wagons with any momentum so since we are 1 hour from EOD I am probably going to votepark on TAT.

One, four, okay, who's counting?

Don't split hairs please. Poop Explosions went up to 3 earlier so there is clearly some interest in that wagon and you know that is what I meant.

I was just laughing at the time zone thing.

As to your vote, what happened to "you know you can't read me and I know I can't read you so wait until day three and if there are no pelts we just kill each other"? All of a sudden you want to claim a day one read on me? Has being in hydra chat with Nutella damaged you?

i formally retract any non-scum read i have on you

what the fuck

i want to call this post scummy despite the fact that i have literally zero actual problems with the take

~mawile

[Akemi Hazelnut]

I think FalconKnows is townie still. I have a good read accuracy on falcon historically.

[trans rights]

julinook top candidate for tspic's partner

current solve is tspic - julinook - falconknows

i have understood about 0% of your slot's thought process

can you talk w/ me about your solve more or is that a me problem

~mawile

[Bottom Text]

I don't know what the cases on Poop and BT are. I have legit reasons to scumread TAT. Those three seem like the only wagons with any momentum so since we are 1 hour from EOD I am probably going to votepark on TAT.

One, four, okay, who's counting?

Don't split hairs please. Poop Explosions went up to 3 earlier so there is clearly some interest in that wagon and you know that is what I meant.

I was just laughing at the time zone thing.

As to your vote, what happened to "you know you can't read me and I know I can't read you so wait until day three and if there are no pelts we just kill each other"? All of a sudden you want to claim a day one read on me? Has being in hydra chat with Nutella damaged you?

i formally retract any non-scum read i have on you

what the fuck

i want to call this post scummy despite the fact that i have literally zero actual problems with the take

~mawile

then do it

don't let your dreams be dreams

[trans rights]

I don't know what the cases on Poop and BT are. I have legit reasons to scumread TAT. Those three seem like the only wagons with any momentum so since we are 1 hour from EOD I am probably going to votepark on TAT.

One, four, okay, who's counting?

Don't split hairs please. Poop Explosions went up to 3 earlier so there is clearly some interest in that wagon and you know that is what I meant.

I was just laughing at the time zone thing.

As to your vote, what happened to "you know you can't read me and I know I can't read you so wait until day three and if there are no pelts we just kill each other"? All of a sudden you want to claim a day one read on me? Has being in hydra chat with Nutella damaged you?

i formally retract any non-scum read i have on you

what the fuck

i want to call this post scummy despite the fact that i have literally zero actual problems with the take

~mawile

then do it

don't let your dreams be dreams

would it be a safe assumption that this is a different head than the one that posted the other take

~mawile

[Honey & Vinegar]

julinook top candidate for tspic's partner

current solve is tspic - julinook - falconknows

i have understood about 0% of your slot's thought process

can you talk w/ me about your solve more or is that a me problem

~mawile

ok scum is tspic - julinook - trans rights

[Bottom Text]

One, four, okay, who's counting?

Don't split hairs please. Poop Explosions went up to 3 earlier so there is clearly some interest in that wagon and you know that is what I meant.

I was just laughing at the time zone thing.

As to your vote, what happened to "you know you can't read me and I know I can't read you so wait until day three and if there are no pelts we just kill each other"? All of a sudden you want to claim a day one read on me? Has being in hydra chat with Nutella damaged you?

i formally retract any non-scum read i have on you

what the fuck

i want to call this post scummy despite the fact that i have literally zero actual problems with the take

~mawile

then do it

don't let your dreams be dreams

would it be a safe assumption that this is a different head than the one that posted the other take

~mawile

it would be unsafe and you would get critted and lose 45 hitpoints

[Akemi Hazelnut]

julinook top candidate for tspic's partner

current solve is tspic - julinook - falconknows

i have understood about 0% of your slot's thought process

can you talk w/ me about your solve more or is that a me problem

~mawile

ok scum is tspic - julinook - trans rights

thonk

[trans rights]

someone tell me why tspic's iso isn't just a wolf iso

on one hand, you have jpic, who gave townreads on my word salad, mildly liked tim's vote triangulation read, yet reversed it for "not really substantiated" reasons, and also disagrees with tsp regarding mana making a bad read making mana a villager. it's all within the boilerplate realm of a reasonable wolf. none of these reads are particularly nuanced, they're all just really shallow observations that a wolf can make by just using basically comprehension skills. these are not reads with visibly demonstrated thought process. it almost feels like some of his reads are only shifting with the thread climate. bottom text votes two and through? guess two and through can be a wolf. jpic's pushback to tsp's mana read also feels like contrived, as if it only exists to serve as hydra dissonance and nothing more.

it also sorta feels like when i'm reading jpic's posts that i'm getting this feeling of a person sitting in a chair in a poised position, adjusting their glasses, and then saying their thoughts in the most sophisticated and supercilious tone possible.

then you have tsp. none of his posts feel believable whatsoever. his bottom text read came out of complete thin air, he voted them, and it was never justified anywhere there's just this callousness to tsp's posts, as if caution was completely thrown to the wind. and yes, in certain senses not caring about how you look can be villagery. i'm not necessarily wolfreading the dynamics between the hydra, because that's more personality indicative than anything else. however, i'm getting the feeling that jpic is wolfy, and tsp is just being tsp.

what is similar about both of their games is that both of them are completely irrelevant. there's no feeling for either of these slots to be particularly up and center, and their game isn't sovling oriented or pushing oriented. i do get that for tsp, this might not be super ai. i've seen games where he's been a bit more of a nonpresence and getting wolfread as a result. well, specifically inception where he got vigged. but both of these slots are worthy of getting voted for different reasons.

[trans rights]

julinook top candidate for tspic's partner

current solve is tspic - julinook - falconknows

i have understood about 0% of your slot's thought process

can you talk w/ me about your solve more or is that a me problem

~mawile

ok scum is tspic - julinook - trans rights

good talk

~mawile

[trans rights]

julinook top candidate for tspic's partner

current solve is tspic - julinook - falconknows

i have understood about 0% of your slot's thought process

can you talk w/ me about your solve more or is that a me problem

~mawile

ok scum is tspic - julinook - trans rights

good timing!

[trans rights]

hi vanity

~togekiss

[Akemi Hazelnut]

someone tell me why tspic's iso isn't just a wolf iso

on one hand, you have jpic, who gave townreads on my word salad, mildly liked tim's vote triangulation read, yet reversed it for "not really substantiated" reasons, and also disagrees with tsp regarding mana making a bad read making mana a villager. it's all within the boilerplate realm of a reasonable wolf. none of these reads are particularly nuanced, they're all just really shallow observations that a wolf can make by just using basically comprehension skills. these are not reads with visibly demonstrated thought process. it almost feels like some of his reads are only shifting with the thread climate. bottom text votes two and through? guess two and through can be a wolf. jpic's pushback to tsp's mana read also feels like contrived, as if it only exists to serve as hydra dissonance and nothing more.

it also sorta feels like when i'm reading jpic's posts that i'm getting this feeling of a person sitting in a chair in a poised position, adjusting their glasses, and then saying their thoughts in the most sophisticated and supercilious tone possible.

then you have tsp. none of his posts feel believable whatsoever. his bottom text read came out of complete thin air, he voted them, and it was never justified anywhere there's just this callousness to tsp's posts, as if caution was completely thrown to the wind. and yes, in certain senses not caring about how you look can be villagery. i'm not necessarily wolfreading the dynamics between the hydra, because that's more personality indicative than anything else. however, i'm getting the feeling that jpic is wolfy, and tsp is just being tsp.

what is similar about both of their games is that both of them are completely irrelevant. there's no feeling for either of these slots to be particularly up and center, and their game isn't sovling oriented or pushing oriented. i do get that for tsp, this might not be super ai. i've seen games where he's been a bit more of a nonpresence and getting wolfread as a result. well, specifically inception where he got vigged. but both of these slots are worthy of getting voted for different reasons.

mmm yeah i can see it

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

I see a lot of people are talking about me and not talking to me

[Akemi Hazelnut]

I will probably not be around for EOD.

My top scumread is still TAT and the best defense I've heard so far of them is "they're curmudgeonly" or "they have townie rage". I'd be shocked if Tim couldn't fake those things to some degree so it's not a compelling defense. I like FalconKnows, Julinook, trans rights, Honey & Vinegar and Timsup2gettinserious for town. The Walrus (this one is a gut read) and Bottom Text lesser townleans.

I townread Poop Explosions on tone but aren't a fan of their attack on trans rights, and they go into the mixed bucket for me. I think trans rights is townie and it also feels like a chainsaw defense of TAT.

I scumread Mana and TSPIC. They're the only slots I would consider voting other than TAT.

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

someone tell me why tspic's iso isn't just a wolf iso

on one hand, you have jpic, who gave townreads on my word salad, mildly liked tim's vote triangulation read, yet reversed it for "not really substantiated" reasons, and also disagrees with tsp regarding mana making a bad read making mana a villager. it's all within the boilerplate realm of a reasonable wolf. none of these reads are particularly nuanced, they're all just really shallow observations that a wolf can make by just using basically comprehension skills. these are not reads with visibly demonstrated thought process. it almost feels like some of his reads are only shifting with the thread climate. bottom text votes two and through? guess two and through can be a wolf. jpic's pushback to tsp's mana read also feels like contrived, as if it only exists to serve as hydra dissonance and nothing more.

A bit insulting but okay

[Akemi Hazelnut]

There are people townreading Mana. Can one of those people give me a reason other than "they had a spicy take on FK"? Because I pointed out that having an against-the-grain take could easily come from an out of touch wolf.

[trans rights]

I will probably not be around for EOD.

My top scumread is still TAT and the best defense I've heard so far of them is "they're curmudgeonly" or "they have townie rage". I'd be shocked if Tim couldn't fake those things to some degree so it's not a compelling defense. I like FalconKnows, Julinook, trans rights, Honey & Vinegar and Timsup2gettinserious for town. The Walrus (this one is a gut read) and Bottom Text lesser townleans.

I townread Poop Explosions on tone but aren't a fan of their attack on trans rights, and they go into the mixed bucket for me. I think trans rights is townie and it also feels like a chainsaw defense of TAT.

I scumread Mana and TSPIC. They're the only slots I would consider voting other than TAT.

you... you wolfread tspic?

[The Walrus]

Wait actually

Hasn't tsp hydraed before

this is jpic

right but hes assuming tsp wouldve dmed you stuff by now

but tbh im not sure tsp ever has either

We have both never played hydra before and just assumed you could talk to your partner.

Good for you

I hate this response

[TwoAndThrough]

yes

definitely not the second line that reeks of all kinds of strawmanning and ad homineming bullshit

it's certainly the fact that you teased her over mixing up times

gottem

To be fair to Tim this is the kind of thing he'd write as town.

It's also the kind of thing he'd write as scum though so it doesn't change my opinion of him at all. I'm scumreading him for the weird triangle vote stuff and waffling on who the scum on his wagon was.

I answered who the scum on the wagon was. I didn't give you Alison style death tunnel snap reads, but I gave first impressions at the time and then continued investigation until I had what I considered fairly solid results and posted those too.

[trans rights]

someone tell me why tspic's iso isn't just a wolf iso

on one hand, you have jpic, who gave townreads on my word salad, mildly liked tim's vote triangulation read, yet reversed it for "not really substantiated" reasons, and also disagrees with tsp regarding mana making a bad read making mana a villager. it's all within the boilerplate realm of a reasonable wolf. none of these reads are particularly nuanced, they're all just really shallow observations that a wolf can make by just using basically comprehension skills. these are not reads with visibly demonstrated thought process. it almost feels like some of his reads are only shifting with the thread climate. bottom text votes two and through? guess two and through can be a wolf. jpic's pushback to tsp's mana read also feels like contrived, as if it only exists to serve as hydra dissonance and nothing more.

A bit insulting but okay

in what way? can you demonstrate how your reads are nuanced if that's the implication?

[Akemi Hazelnut]

I will probably not be around for EOD.

My top scumread is still TAT and the best defense I've heard so far of them is "they're curmudgeonly" or "they have townie rage". I'd be shocked if Tim couldn't fake those things to some degree so it's not a compelling defense. I like FalconKnows, Julinook, trans rights, Honey & Vinegar and Timsup2gettinserious for town. The Walrus (this one is a gut read) and Bottom Text lesser townleans.

I townread Poop Explosions on tone but aren't a fan of their attack on trans rights, and they go into the mixed bucket for me. I think trans rights is townie and it also feels like a chainsaw defense of TAT.

I scumread Mana and TSPIC. They're the only slots I would consider voting other than TAT.

you... you wolfread tspic?

Yes. I was null on them, then H&V made a case, I read the case, I read TSPIC's ISO, and it made sense to me.

I wrote my thoughts about my ISO a few posts ago but essentially the "derpclear" seems artificial and requires some pretty unlikely coincidences to be real, and I'm in agreement with H&V's take that they spend a lot of time asking meaningless busywork questions with no followup or genuine interest.

[trans rights]

There are people townreading Mana. Can one of those people give me a reason other than "they had a spicy take on FK"? Because I pointed out that having an against-the-grain take could easily come from an out of touch wolf.

they had an against-the-grain take in a way that indicated they cared more about solving the slot than keeping themselves alive

i just overall liked the way they reentered thread after they got votes

i'm not really sure how to articulate it

~ninetales

[trans rights]

yeah okay i see the interaction looking back. the interaction between you and honey and villager looks decent.

[trans rights]

clearly im the competent one here

~mawile

[Akemi Hazelnut]

they had an against-the-grain take in a way that indicated they cared more about solving the slot than keeping themselves alive

What struck you as demonstrating genuine curiosity about the slot?

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

someone tell me why tspic's iso isn't just a wolf iso

on one hand, you have jpic, who gave townreads on my word salad, mildly liked tim's vote triangulation read, yet reversed it for "not really substantiated" reasons, and also disagrees with tsp regarding mana making a bad read making mana a villager. it's all within the boilerplate realm of a reasonable wolf. none of these reads are particularly nuanced, they're all just really shallow observations that a wolf can make by just using basically comprehension skills. these are not reads with visibly demonstrated thought process. it almost feels like some of his reads are only shifting with the thread climate. bottom text votes two and through? guess two and through can be a wolf. jpic's pushback to tsp's mana read also feels like contrived, as if it only exists to serve as hydra dissonance and nothing more.

A bit insulting but okay

in what way? can you demonstrate how your reads are nuanced if that's the implication?

I just think the "visibly demonstrated thought process" is a bit rude.

I was wolf reading T&T, but then he fully embraced the meta. His pushback really doesn't feel faked, or as if he is trying to play up to that meta at all. It gets really hard to fake as the game goes along so at the moment I am fine with their slot at the moment. I don't know what more substantial reasons you're looking for at the moment.

[trans rights]

they had an against-the-grain take in a way that indicated they cared more about solving the slot than keeping themselves alive

What struck you as demonstrating genuine curiosity about the slot?

the flip from "oh we're being wagoned" to "anyway this is our take"

i think a wolf either goes the angle of focusing more on the wagon or not acknowledging it and continuing to solve

~ninetales

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

Also, how is me starting to townread T&T going along with the thread climate?

[Akemi Hazelnut]

they had an against-the-grain take in a way that indicated they cared more about solving the slot than keeping themselves alive

What struck you as demonstrating genuine curiosity about the slot?

the flip from "oh we're being wagoned" to "anyway this is our take"

i think a wolf either goes the angle of focusing more on the wagon or not acknowledging it and continuing to solve

~ninetales

okay

[Akemi Hazelnut]

TSPIC are you claiming you don't want to exe TAT D1 because they self resolve?

[Akemi Hazelnut]

@TwoAndThrough what's your read on TSPIC?

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

I don't know why people find it unreasonable that someone who has never done a hydra before would not know chats outside of the game thread are a thing. From what I can see, there is nothing mentioned in the OP nor was anything said in our role pm.