Lasagna Mafia [END]

[Luckbox Inc]

luckbox why are you trying so hard

I feel like this is normal D1 effort for me-- and D1 is also my favorite day.

[Esooa]

Ahoy, I'm the cop.

N0-Creature

[VOTE: hyena] aubergine

liar
your check is fake
sheep me, the real cop, and vote the closest mammal to a wolf here

as per rule, I’ll reveal my N0 check a bit later btw.

Hyenas are more closely related to cats, not wolves. :P

there are no dogs in the game tho so the point still stands :P

Why would you be able to read esooa the best out of all of us lmao

well you know I can't read you. Creature I've only played a couple games with and I don't have a baseline for him, and I've just seen esooa's village and wolf game and feel like I've got a good baseline there.
Also Deli is a bit tough to read as they're a master of tone.

is deli good at faking their tone?

I disliked this question about deli too. It's already answered in the posts quoted so it looks like fake contributing

[Esooa]

Nanook seems present but not engaged with the thread much.

why point this out?

Why not?

Doesn't seem relevant to much

And Luckbox tryharding is relevant, or rather moreso? o:

I asked a question because I hope to get something out of it. You made a statement about something easily observable in thread with no additions

[Hyena]

luckbox why are you trying so hard

I feel like this is normal D1 effort for me-- and D1 is also my favorite day.

D1 is my favorite day, too.

[Esooa]

luckbox why are you trying so hard

I feel like this is normal D1 effort for me-- and D1 is also my favorite day.

maybe my memory is wrong but I don't remember you doing as much to push the game forward exactly SoD1 before is what I meant. But okay

[Hyena]

Nanook seems present but not engaged with the thread much.

why point this out?

Why not?

Doesn't seem relevant to much

And Luckbox tryharding is relevant, or rather moreso? o:

I asked a question because I hope to get something out of it. You made a statement about something easily observable in thread with no additions

Why didn't anyone else say something about it? Why did you react to my post about it over other stuff that's been posted in the thread?

[Esooa]

I don't care about answering your question really tbh. You made a statement and didn't call it scummy or anything else and it was weird and now you're acting weird and me pointing that out

[falcon45ca]

What happened to shit posting? Y'all firing on 6 cylinders

[Hyena]

I don't care about answering your question really tbh. You made a statement and didn't call it scummy or anything else and it was weird and now you're acting weird and me pointing that out

I wanted to see if anybody would assume that I was calling it scummy and call it scummy themself. :P

[falcon45ca]

I'm aligned with town, blah blah blah.



Been watching a lot of Sopranos lately, so between this game and that show Imma prolly gain 5lbs this week

[Luckbox Inc]

What happened to shit posting? Y'all firing on 6 cylinders

Could be a wolf mad that the village is trying

[Creature]

I think my strategy for this setup would be:

1. Hypoclaims are only done at the end of the day. Until then, everyone, including the cop, tries to sort every player as they usually would.
2. On D1, everybody claims If I am the cop, I peeked X green
3. On D2+, everybody claims If I am the cop, I either peeked X green or peeked Y red
4. If the cop dies, we always lynch Y
4.1. If Y flips town, we assume X was peeked green
4.2. If Y flips mafia, we assume Y was indeed the peek (even if they actually weren't) and ignore the X peek
5. Cop can hold off a red peek for one night, but must out it immediately the day after. So if the cop actually peeked Y red N1, they can do rule 3 and hide for the remainder of day 2. If they survive N2, D3 they must immediately out as cop and reveal they peeked Y red alongside their N2 peek. This is kind of interesting, because cop won't necessarily be forced to out immediately if they get a red peek and they might live to get another result. There would be no chance of wolves killing the cop N2 and their red peek getting away as long as town follows rule 4.
6. As a result, we can assume that if the cop didn't do rule 5 the day after the night after, the hypo red peek is false. As such, if cop didn't out D3 and ends up dying N3 then town doesn't need to follow with rule 4 on the D2 hypo, instead they just assume X was peeked green.

Obviously, rule 3 and forward are complex strategies and maybe I should start a new topic after the game. Perhaps we should at most follow rules 1 and 2 this game.

[falcon45ca]

What happened to shit posting? Y'all firing on 6 cylinders

Could be a wolf mad that the village is trying

Holy shit you caught me

[Luckbox Inc]

Nanook seems present but not engaged with the thread much.

why point this out?

So yeah I don't get this post from you esooa-- why not point it out?

[Creature]

I think my strategy for this setup would be:

1. Hypoclaims are only done at the end of the day. Until then, everyone, including the cop, tries to sort every player as they usually would.
2. On D1, everybody claims If I am the cop, I peeked X green
3. On D2+, everybody claims If I am the cop, I either peeked X green or peeked Y red
4. If the cop dies, we always lynch Y
4.1. If Y flips town, we assume X was peeked green
4.2. If Y flips mafia, we assume Y was indeed the peek (even if they actually weren't) and ignore the X peek
5. Cop can hold off a red peek for one night, but must out it immediately the day after. So if the cop actually peeked Y red N1, they can do rule 3 and hide for the remainder of day 2. If they survive N2, D3 they must immediately out as cop and reveal they peeked Y red alongside their N2 peek. This is kind of interesting, because cop won't necessarily be forced to out immediately if they get a red peek and they might live to get another result. There would be no chance of wolves killing the cop N2 and their red peek getting away as long as town follows rule 4.
6. As a result, we can assume that if the cop didn't do rule 5 the day after the night after, the hypo red peek is false. As such, if cop didn't out D3 and ends up dying N3 then town doesn't need to follow with rule 4 on the D2 hypo, instead they just assume X was peeked green.

Obviously, rule 3 and forward are complex strategies and maybe I should start a new topic after the game. Perhaps we should at most follow rules 1 and 2 this game.

I would probably add:

7. Cop always outs D4 if they're somehow still alive

[Alison]

The one post Kami made before dipping was fixating on something perfectly ordinary and misrepping it. That is why I am voting them.

[Alison]

I think cop should out red checks immediately the day phase after they receive it.

[Esooa]

Nanook seems present but not engaged with the thread much.

why point this out?

So yeah I don't get this post from you esooa-- why not point it out?

because I'm wondering why they care to mention it but don't call it scummy. Because of it's not scummy there's no reason to say it, if it is then why not include that

[Esooa]

I think cop should out red checks immediately the day phase after they receive it.

nah

[Esooa]

oh, okay yeah I agree with Alison I thought she meant out it SoD

[Kami]

The one post Kami made before dipping was fixating on something perfectly ordinary and misrepping it. That is why I am voting them.

You have no context how would you know its perfectly ordinary and misrepping

[ejjinami]

Nanook seems present but not engaged with the thread much.

if you want to vote him, I’m willing to sheep

Nanook seems present but not engaged with the thread much.

Yeah man I'm trying not to get nked

honestly, eww
This feels like the sort of snarky response one would give if they want to look townie but can’t think of a real, genuine answer

]
I disliked this question about deli too. It's already answered in the posts quoted so it looks like fake contributing

just vote me then lol

[Luckbox Inc]

Nanook seems present but not engaged with the thread much.

why point this out?

So yeah I don't get this post from you esooa-- why not point it out?

because I'm wondering why they care to mention it but don't call it scummy. Because of it's not scummy there's no reason to say it, if it is then why not include that

I would assume that that post is calling them scummy.

[Esooa]

I don't really care about this discussion and probably won't participate further but since we're having it this is what I wrote

"how to leave peeks

when you leave peeks I ask you make them obvious (n0 Esooa green for example). Leave your peeks starting about half way through the day. You want them to be correct so you aren't ruled out as the seer--do this by waiting so you can get town reads. When you begin outing your check, timing matters. Try to make it so your peek doesn't look like it came just from a town read; it's a peek (and at the same time the cop should be trying to make it look somewhat like there's did to account for this, though obv you can do what you think is best regarding how to handle it)

Half your role as town this game will be to convince mafia you are the cop. Keep that in mind when interacting with your checks, deciding who to fake peek, etc. In order to limit mafias knowledge, it's probably best to try not to push someone who is green checked by another person (the reactions of the person with the check will give insight into their role).

Sometimes VT will question if their check is scum but usually seer never does this. I believe this will happen more this game because of what I think is peoples inexperience with the setup. That is why I want checks to be obvious, so that the seer can more easily do the same (scum read/question their checks) while still we will know their checks if they die.

as the seer you should probably go for town checks. You want your checks to live as long as possible, and checking a poe person you believe to be a wolf will most likely result in them just dying and you have a dead check.

Always out before lylo so it is harder to be cc'd

do not be afraid to check people you have as reasonably town if you believe they will live. The game will literally be locked if you have enough alive checks and it removes paranoia that can happen. If you think the person is going to live and you will live long enough to lock/closely lock the game, go for it."

[Kami]

Why would you be able to read esooa the best out of all of us lmao

well you know I can't read you. Creature I've only played a couple games with and I don't have a baseline for him, and I've just seen esooa's village and wolf game and feel like I've got a good baseline there.
Also Deli is a bit tough to read as they're a master of tone.

You've played like 20 games with me and 2 with esooa you're lying if you think you can meta read them what so ever js

[Esooa]

Nanook seems present but not engaged with the thread much.

why point this out?

So yeah I don't get this post from you esooa-- why not point it out?

because I'm wondering why they care to mention it but don't call it scummy. Because of it's not scummy there's no reason to say it, if it is then why not include that

I would assume that that post is calling them scummy.

evidently based on their response they actually weren't so there's that

[Esooa]

[VOTE: ejjinami] aubergine

[Luckbox Inc]

Why would you be able to read esooa the best out of all of us lmao

well you know I can't read you. Creature I've only played a couple games with and I don't have a baseline for him, and I've just seen esooa's village and wolf game and feel like I've got a good baseline there.
Also Deli is a bit tough to read as they're a master of tone.

You've played like 20 games with me and 2 with esooa you're lying if you think you can meta read them what so ever js

Well I'm definitely not lying. I also don't think that you're unreadable by any stretch-- just that your style is a lot more inscrutable for me.

[Kami]

nannook v

[Kami]

Why would you be able to read esooa the best out of all of us lmao

well you know I can't read you. Creature I've only played a couple games with and I don't have a baseline for him, and I've just seen esooa's village and wolf game and feel like I've got a good baseline there.
Also Deli is a bit tough to read as they're a master of tone.

You've played like 20 games with me and 2 with esooa you're lying if you think you can meta read them what so ever js

Well I'm definitely not lying. I also don't think that you're unreadable by any stretch-- just that your style is a lot more inscrutable for me.

Naw you are definitely lying and the confidence is extremely fake too

[Luckbox Inc]

[VOTE: ejjinami] aubergine

Nah...

[Kami]

luckbox/allison are partners lmao

[Esooa]

[VOTE: ejjinami] aubergine

Nah...

sorry it took me like 20 minutes to bother to write out vote tags to vote I'm not changing it

[Creature]

Okay I now feel a bit bad bringing complicated strategies we won't even use in-thread. I'll prob stop unless prompted to continue.

[Esooa]

Okay I now feel a bit bad bringing complicated strategies we won't even use in-thread. I'll prob stop unless prompted to continue.

you don't need to feel bad. And I don't think it's useless. I just feel it'd end up making town worse off cause yeah

[Esooa]

just harder to coordinate

[Luckbox Inc]

Why would you be able to read esooa the best out of all of us lmao

well you know I can't read you. Creature I've only played a couple games with and I don't have a baseline for him, and I've just seen esooa's village and wolf game and feel like I've got a good baseline there.
Also Deli is a bit tough to read as they're a master of tone.

You've played like 20 games with me and 2 with esooa you're lying if you think you can meta read them what so ever js

Well I'm definitely not lying. I also don't think that you're unreadable by any stretch-- just that your style is a lot more inscrutable for me.

Naw you are definitely lying and the confidence is extremely fake too

I mean I've already interacted with esooa a ton in our two games, and talked ww with her on discord. And I don't think I have close to 20 games with you either. Maybe like 6 or 7.
But jf you think I'm definitely lying then you know what to do.

[Kami]

Why would you be able to read esooa the best out of all of us lmao

well you know I can't read you. Creature I've only played a couple games with and I don't have a baseline for him, and I've just seen esooa's village and wolf game and feel like I've got a good baseline there.
Also Deli is a bit tough to read as they're a master of tone.

You've played like 20 games with me and 2 with esooa you're lying if you think you can meta read them what so ever js

Well I'm definitely not lying. I also don't think that you're unreadable by any stretch-- just that your style is a lot more inscrutable for me.

Naw you are definitely lying and the confidence is extremely fake too

I mean I've already interacted with esooa a ton in our two games, and talked ww with her on discord. And I don't think I have close to 20 games with you either. Maybe like 6 or 7.
But jf you think I'm definitely lying then you know what to do.

Naw that's not true in the past year its been 7 but I've been on pog since 2015 so it's been far more than that
Also why would you think you know the meta of someone off 2 games, that's just illogical especially since esooa was drunk and out of character

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook seems present but not engaged with the thread much.

if you want to vote him, I’m willing to sheep

Nanook seems present but not engaged with the thread much.

Yeah man I'm trying not to get nked

honestly, eww
This feels like the sort of snarky response one would give if they want to look townie but can’t think of a real, genuine answer

]
I disliked this question about deli too. It's already answered in the posts quoted so it looks like fake contributing

just vote me then lol

The jokes on you that is a genuine answer

[Esooa]

nanook join my vote

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

nanook join my vote

I would but I can't

[Esooa]

nanook join my vote

I would but I can't

why not

[Luckbox Inc]

Naw that's not true in the past year its been 7 but I've been on pog since 2015 so it's been far more than that
Also why would you think you know the meta of someone off 2 games, that's just illogical especially since esooa was drunk and out of character

I only remember you over this last year or so and wasn't playing too too much again until last year. But that's all besides the point. I would think that I have a better read on esooa than some people that I've played dozens of games with going back a lot longer. And I mean that in no way as a denigration of her play-- I think she villages great which is exactly why I feel I should be able to read her. I'm not sure why this is a thing that you're focusing on either.

[ejjinami]

Why would you be able to read esooa the best out of all of us lmao

well you know I can't read you. Creature I've only played a couple games with and I don't have a baseline for him, and I've just seen esooa's village and wolf game and feel like I've got a good baseline there.
Also Deli is a bit tough to read as they're a master of tone.

You've played like 20 games with me and 2 with esooa you're lying if you think you can meta read them what so ever js

Well I'm definitely not lying. I also don't think that you're unreadable by any stretch-- just that your style is a lot more inscrutable for me.

Naw you are definitely lying and the confidence is extremely fake too

bump for isoing purposes
the use of the word “extreme” probably makes a kami&lunch team less likely

luckbox/allison are partners lmao

gun to the head: the confidence is unreasonable to the point of being townie

[VOTE: ejjinami] aubergine

Nah...

sorry it took me like 20 minutes to bother to write out vote tags to vote I'm not changing it

use another 20 minutes to make another vote on the same person
seems like a good idea

[Esooa]

n0 ejj red

[ejjinami]

Nanook seems present but not engaged with the thread much.

Yeah man I'm trying not to get nked

honestly, eww
This feels like the sort of snarky response one would give if they want to look townie but can’t think of a real, genuine answer

The jokes on you that is a genuine answer

ok
and I’m cop-checking you tonight
you’re welcome

unless I strongly feel about nanook in one way or the other, I won’t change this action later on

[Luckbox Inc]

luckbox/allison are partners lmao

gun to the head: the confidence is unreasonable to the point of being townie

This is a part of what makes Kami hard to read-- She's usually super confident like that and can definitely act that way as a wolf.

[ejjinami]

n0 ejj red

pfffffft, rip
I’d suggest changing the colors
but gl lmao

[Alison]

The one post Kami made before dipping was fixating on something perfectly ordinary and misrepping it. That is why I am voting them.

You have no context how would you know its perfectly ordinary and misrepping

Because I read the post you were quoting, that's why

[ejjinami]

luckbox/allison are partners lmao

gun to the head: the confidence is unreasonable to the point of being townie

This is a part of what makes Kami hard to read-- She's usually super confident like that and can definitely act that way as a wolf.

yeah figured
at least the first part