Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:41 pm
Don Wurzeloni wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:40 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:57 pm
Don Wurzeloni wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:47 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:30 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:15 pm
Still don't think Wurzel is wolf here but meh
Wiml had no reason to defend a town Wurzel day one, and no reason to fight my take on Alison's read on Wurzel unless it was right.
There's a balance...Dusk is a one shot town vig, and the wolves have their own extra KP...Wurzel vigged Ender. Wiml D1 defended him so he could get the shot off. Now Wiml is mech busted and Wurzel is hard spewed so may as well try to bluster claim as town vig and throw it off, but X and X2 are gonna hard distance from that shit and probably bus.
That first sentence is utter bollocks and you know it.
If you look at my recent games, I have had a bit of an issue with getting scum read early on before becoming town read later on. WIML has defended me in a number of games. For example, in Wheel of Fortune, which all 3 of us played you can see he defended me at posts #147, #336, #339, #341,#475, #616, #682, #683, #701, #722, #746, #793
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost4934139
The one game I played recently without WIML I died on day 1.
So I would be massively suspicious of WIML if he DIDN'T defend me (and that's probably why he did)
No offense, but why would he care if you sussed him? Concern that in the face of all the town reads he otherwise accumulated that you were gonna gather your supporters and come for him with torches and pitchforks?
Maybe he wouldn't care on CFC but you are forgetting that both him and me are new to this server. If a new player said that another new player was scum due to meta, are you suggesting that the rest of the players on here would just ignore that? Especially when the votes were spread quite widely.
Taking the "you are both new here" one step further...as a wolf if you are town he could just soft peddle the read. "Yeah, I think he's town and yeah we've played before." Let you get killed anyway, and play it off as he was never sure either way. Where's the benefit to w!Wiml of a strong white knight play on a t!Wurzel when you are in fact new to the server and not likely to have a lot of influence?
Compare it to his treatment of me. Sure, I was a townread...but always "just because Esooa" and he talked about "taking another look" at least two or three times. He was clearly setting up the eventual flip on the read there. And he was all bravado about how I couldn't put him over. Again, no offense, but if he is ready to challenge me about putting him over do you really think he was gonna kid glove you?
I'm sure that is how
you would play it and it might well be how
I would play it but it is not how
WIML would play it. It is a fundamental part of WIML's game that he likes to defend town players he knows regardless of alignment.
For example, lets look at his most recent completed scum game:
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... st_4868873
In this game, WIML subbed in on day 1 as a wolf. He said he didn't know many players in this game but is soon defending one of the players he does know Marluxion at #517, #525, #542, #663. Marl was town here and as we know is a good player. By your logic, WIML should not be doing this but he is. This is how we plays the game and IMHO why he gets town read so often because people don't believe a scum player would white knight.
And as an aside you say that WIML was questioning you but in his reads list he had you as more town than me #1787
"Duskfall/Tim/Ydrasse/Wurzel/Creature/You town.
sig/LC very weakly town.
Herm wolf. Rest of PoE is probably Nanook and LoMo/orange from having no read there."