Everyone's JOATED: Guillo's Roles (Town Wins)

[Scotty]

I think current wagons (TH/Listo) are W/W so I'm fine with either.

This is osie’s last post before handing over the reigns to Martin.

@TripleHaven why are you town

(Anyone else can answer this if they want to, but I would prefer hearing TH's response)

Both seem fine with TH, which is headscratching. Granted, Martin would be in self prez mode, which is probably why he haphazardly jumped onto HK for some inane reason.

But I don’t see any world TH is town in this world. So it’s a moot point.

[Scotty]

If HK is mafia, that could be a weird twist of fate, since we weren’t clued in on his abilities or alignment with the Rez. It’s just assumed and hearsay as to HK’s circumstance. I don’t know the pretense in mafia games (even bastard) for rezzed to come back as a different alignment. I think I’ve heard of zombies coming back as their own faction, but there ain’t 3p’s in this setup, so I see no reason to ever believe HK is anything but what he was lynched as

[Scotty]

I’ve already talked ad nauseam about listo and how nothing they have said makes any sense if they and TH are mafia. So town.

My preferred boot order right now, if TH’s lynch doesn’t end the game (which I’m not convinced it will or else they would give mercy and resign) is:
-nook
-listo
-LC
-c4
-guillo

———
-HK
-Alison
-Mac
-Dolby

[Scotty]

“But why is LC so high up the list if he were part of the soup kill squad (SKS)?!”

I dunno lol

[Dolby]

TH probably showed TMI when saying that Mac was stuck in a time loop looking back

[Scotty]

TH probably showed TMI when saying that Mac was stuck in a time loop looking back

I’ve mentioned in my iso of them like d3-4 a lot of their posts tend to deal with understanding how mafia roles usually work in guillo games, and being super “helpful” with the potential mech.

I think they kidnapped Alison, and weren’t around to do it again n4.

[Dolby]

TH/Creature/Osi is where I am right now for scum.

Maybe Scotty replaces one of them.

GG could theoretically be in there but it'd have to be on a team without Creature. I honestly don't see her as scum rn.

I mean 2/3 wolves in his last post is pretty mindfucky. There’s no way creature is also wolf, right? I really want to eliminate Creature/c4 from the cutting board just based on this post alone

Ender was actively trying to pivot his vote to GG at this point. Realistically he dies unless I judgement day one of the other two and the other goes down. I think he knows his path for survival is pretty narrow

I do agree that 3/3 is very mindfucky but this guy probably thinks he’s gonna be yeeted that day, and the only way that doesn’t happen is if I shoot Creature if he’s a wolf, or I shoot GG if Creature is town. I think he was surprised that I shot him but yeah

Ender probably is the type of person who thinks that only the vote you place at the end of day matters. I guess what’s more important is that he went for Creature as a wagon when GG clearly had better odds of going over and more support.

So yeah loose agree that Ender going 3/3 is fucked and town indictcstive but I’m concerned that he might have been trying to anti-spew here since the only worlds where he doesn’t go down are me judgement daying GG/Creature and the other being yeeted

[Dolby]

Someone is going to convince me that Listo is town. IMO, the towniest thing about the slot is the sheer number of times it’s voted for and pushed town in a way that is not to mafias advantage

[Dolby]

I don’t have a good sense of who one after TH would be tbh

[Scotty]

I don’t have a good sense of who one after TH would be tbh

I can’t find a way to clear Nook besides “town meta”

So that slot, probably.

[Dolby]

I don’t have a good sense of who one after TH would be tbh

I can’t find a way to clear Nook besides “town meta”

So that slot, probably.

Apparently his D1 vote on Ender legitimized his wagon at the time? Would have to double check though

[Scotty]

I don’t have a good sense of who one after TH would be tbh

I can’t find a way to clear Nook besides “town meta”

So that slot, probably.

Apparently his D1 vote on Ender legitimized his wagon at the time? Would have to double check though

Yep, got the ball rolling, for sure. Doesn’t clear him tho.

[Alison]

I know the day is all but determined, but mac is right- what next? @Alison I know you’re checked out, but you mentioned having a last slot read that you’re saving for some reason. Let’s bring Christmas in early and open that bow-covered read: why wait?

The mafia have a nightkill and we aren't exeing anyone other than TH today

[Scotty]

I know the day is all but determined, but mac is right- what next? @Alison I know you’re checked out, but you mentioned having a last slot read that you’re saving for some reason. Let’s bring Christmas in early and open that bow-covered read: why wait?

The mafia have a nightkill and we aren't exeing anyone other than TH today

I understand. What if you’re killed tonight?

[Alison]

Then the POE of listo/c4/nanook should work. If that doesn't end the game, I'd probably go LC next.

I think I'm off my Mac paranoia, he was time looped, soupkilled and worked to bury Ender D1. LC has comparatively scumsided with pushes a lot more and only has the soupkill to his name. I don't think the soupkill is fake though and I think the 3 person POE just ends the game.

[c4e5g3d5]

Gameplan looks like

Sleepwalk through TH
Continue to bury LC
Get dunked by Mac but people actually read my legacy for once
Congratulations to the Mafia team (EnderWiggin, listo95, MartinGG99, Michelle, NANOOKTHECONQUEROR)

Why is TH not on the scum team list?

Also, I think that the Michelle flip is accurate but this is more due to personal level reads on how Osie and Ender (the later in particular) want to interact with teammate Michelle than anything

I doubt that’s particularly relevant but yeah

Was making shit up to sound funny lol

[c4e5g3d5]

TH/Creature/Osi is where I am right now for scum.

Maybe Scotty replaces one of them.

GG could theoretically be in there but it'd have to be on a team without Creature. I honestly don't see her as scum rn.

I mean 2/3 wolves in his last post is pretty mindfucky. There’s no way creature is also wolf, right? I really want to eliminate Creature/c4 from the cutting board just based on this post alone

I recently played a game where I was miscleared for a post almost exactly like this
But also yeah rule of three mhm yeah no way he names his whole team there no way yeah mhm

[Dolby]

Then the POE of listo/c4/nanook should work. If that doesn't end the game, I'd probably go LC next.

I think I'm off my Mac paranoia, he was time looped, soupkilled and worked to bury Ender D1. LC has comparatively scumsided with pushes a lot more and only has the soupkill to his name. I don't think the soupkill is fake though and I think the 3 person POE just ends the game.

Reading through D1 and D2 I also think I'm off my Mac paranoia

[c4e5g3d5]

Reading through N4 got me off my Mac paranoia
See, mafia is an easy game, the past just doesn't exist.

[Dolby]

I still think that Nanook stole my flavorcard given i have Honey's now and Honey died with Nanook's but w/e

[Alison]

TH/Creature/Osi is where I am right now for scum.

Maybe Scotty replaces one of them.

GG could theoretically be in there but it'd have to be on a team without Creature. I honestly don't see her as scum rn.

I mean 2/3 wolves in his last post is pretty mindfucky. There’s no way creature is also wolf, right? I really want to eliminate Creature/c4 from the cutting board just based on this post alone

I recently played a game where I was miscleared for a post almost exactly like this
But also yeah rule of three mhm yeah no way he names his whole team there no way yeah mhm

I wouldn't make a read like this on someone who was almost certainly in anti spew. The writing on the wall wrt Ender was there for quite a while and he had plenty of time to prepare.

[Dolby]

There is weird mech stuff going around with Scotty tbh.

Why does the low amount of pressure that is on him on D2 come pretty much entirely from town? Ender outright advocated to keep him alive. Irregardless of his alignment, prosecuter is probably a town ability because of this. Or it was a gambit from Seanzie but there's no way that mafia knew that. Why do I get weaponized almost instantly when he had been claiming to have a gun for hours on day four?

Either way, here's how some relevant people treated him.

Mac and Nanook tried to elim him

Ender boosted him and read him town and tried to keep the yeet off of him

Osie "lightly scumread" him, but kept her vote off of him pretty much the whole time, and raised her read on him to a townlean once it seemed like Scotty was out of danger completely, once his wagon had pretty much collapsed. She made a big deal about how she sussed him but never once seemed to lean towards placing a vote on him, and ignored the fact that he could be majjed at little cost despite ostensibly being her second or third highest scumread towards the start of day. Heck, on day one Osie was doing the same thing despite Scotty being an actual wagon that she could have voted, instead placing a vanity vote on LoMo and trying to gain more support there. Also kinda interesting thing I found here

Alright this will be my last post. I'm about to go to bed (Midnight my time) and I'm getting an early night to be up for EOD in another game.

First order of business, I said I'd be okay voting Mansnicks as an alternate.

I think it's the weakest of my reads and said I was softening on it earlier but tbh it's better than HK by a country mile.

[VOTE: Mansnicks] aubergine

Second-order of business, honestly the push on me is bad and HK (who is in town meta as Alison so helpfully reminds us) is one of my top defenders. I don't know what messed up logic is being pushed but it's a happy situation for scum wherever they are.

@Michelle
Voting Lost doesn't really do anything later, as it's a low-impact spot. See my argument with Scotty as to my take on this.

@osieorb18
Same as above. LostMonkey is a low impact spot which gives plausible deniability to either ignore your push OR jump on.

@Lime Coke
Same as above. Except replace LoMo with Creature. Please vote a relevant for town wagon.

TH completely ignored the fact that he was prosecuted and just stuck in the HK tunnel.

Scum made no attempt to maj. The closest they came to it was Osie, who studiously avoided placing her vote on him. This isn't to say that Ender going after him D1 isn't a good look but I'm probably going to have to reread Scotty's ISO, since he has a good chance of going deep if red.

Some selected quotes below

Spoiler: show

Scotty is making good effort after being put on trial (That btw is a hilarious ability to have) so I'mma town them.

I've got work I have to do for the next few hours so I'll be only here in a very basic-bitch fashion.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

I'm down to believe HK's claim.

Also still potentially down to vote out Scotty or LoMo.

Okay just saw the TSP vote against Honey... I personally don't like that because I feel like Honey is town.

HK towny because fully in town meta.

Nanook Towny because scum either would have TMI that it hasn't been fucked with or TMI that it has and wouldn't want to point it out. No scumpov to it.

Alison towny because she's been towny and if an actual town kidnapped someone like Alison I'mma vote them.

Mac has been kinda towny but I hedge bets super easily.
LC's hard defense of Honey is more about being maybe pocketed by Honey than anything else.
Osi is nice and solvy, I just like their posts.
Scotty's reaction to being put on trial kinda bleeds town but never seen him play red so maaaaaybe in wolf range. Unlikely
Garden Gnome is inno child. Also cute. Might be being affected.

Towny:
hollowkatt
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Alison
honey
Flea the Magician

<- No wolves above this line

Kinda towny:
MacDougall
Lime Coke
Scotty
lost monkey

Null:
Garden Gnome
osieorb18

POE:
TripleHaven
Dolby
Creature
TonyStarkPrime
listo95

Updated after reading Spew

I don't hate this list but Scotty and LoMo are not really towny at all.

Big sighs

Hk why did you think that was going to be a reliable check

[VOTE: scotty] aubergine its also about time for this i think

Anyways were gonna kill scotty then were gonna see his flip and go from there

Anyways were gonna kill scotty then were gonna see his flip and go from there

I... really don’t like that plan. I feel like Scotty is town. You focusing on this is making me feel even worse about you.

[VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine

Anyways were gonna kill scotty then were gonna see his flip and go from there

I... really don’t like that plan. I feel like Scotty is town. You focusing on this is making me feel even worse about you.

[VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine

Its a free clear and im not prepared to clear him town

I wrote a whole paragraph before I remembered a crucial characteristic about Scotty's claim

Also now that he’s dead, I did in fact get an item from Ender yesterday. I just didn’t know if I should trust it.

It’s a gun, and I still don’t know if it’s a Seanzie gun or a Mac gun. Either way, guns haven’t been extremely successful so ima keep it holstered

Scum probably knew this was fake. I'm not getting into that but this is unconvincing bait no matter what way I look at it. The stuff further up is a bit to ingrained and I kinda just want to be done with this post since I had to look for a number of snippets across multiple days

Honestly the fact that I got weaponized at all rather than them playing it on a teammate or something kinda makes me want to re-ev TH but just no, not after being frozen 2 days in a row

Idk but I want to re-ev him and LC before I have to leave today.

[Dolby]

There is weird mech stuff going around with Scotty tbh.

Why does the low amount of pressure that is on him on D2 come pretty much entirely from town? Ender outright advocated to keep him alive. Irregardless of his alignment, prosecuter is probably a town ability because of this. Or it was a gambit from Seanzie but there's no way that mafia knew that. Why do I get weaponized almost instantly when he had been claiming to have a gun for hours on day four?

Either way, here's how some relevant people treated him.

Mac and Nanook tried to elim him

Ender boosted him and read him town and tried to keep the yeet off of him

Osie "lightly scumread" him, but kept her vote off of him pretty much the whole time, and raised her read on him to a townlean once it seemed like Scotty was out of danger completely, once his wagon had pretty much collapsed. She made a big deal about how she sussed him but never once seemed to lean towards placing a vote on him, and ignored the fact that he could be majjed at little cost despite ostensibly being her second or third highest scumread towards the start of day. Heck, on day one Osie was doing the same thing despite Scotty being an actual wagon that she could have voted, instead placing a vanity vote on LoMo and trying to gain more support there. Also kinda interesting thing I found here

Alright this will be my last post. I'm about to go to bed (Midnight my time) and I'm getting an early night to be up for EOD in another game.

First order of business, I said I'd be okay voting Mansnicks as an alternate.

I think it's the weakest of my reads and said I was softening on it earlier but tbh it's better than HK by a country mile.

[VOTE: Mansnicks] aubergine

Second-order of business, honestly the push on me is bad and HK (who is in town meta as Alison so helpfully reminds us) is one of my top defenders. I don't know what messed up logic is being pushed but it's a happy situation for scum wherever they are.

@Michelle
Voting Lost doesn't really do anything later, as it's a low-impact spot. See my argument with Scotty as to my take on this.

@osieorb18
Same as above. LostMonkey is a low impact spot which gives plausible deniability to either ignore your push OR jump on.

@Lime Coke
Same as above. Except replace LoMo with Creature. Please vote a relevant for town wagon.

TH completely ignored the fact that he was prosecuted and just stuck in the HK tunnel.

Scum made no attempt to maj. The closest they came to it was Osie, who studiously avoided placing her vote on him. This isn't to say that Ender going after him D1 isn't a good look but I'm probably going to have to reread Scotty's ISO, since he has a good chance of going deep if red.

Some selected quotes below

Spoiler: show

Scotty is making good effort after being put on trial (That btw is a hilarious ability to have) so I'mma town them.

I've got work I have to do for the next few hours so I'll be only here in a very basic-bitch fashion.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

I'm down to believe HK's claim.

Also still potentially down to vote out Scotty or LoMo.

Okay just saw the TSP vote against Honey... I personally don't like that because I feel like Honey is town.

HK towny because fully in town meta.

Nanook Towny because scum either would have TMI that it hasn't been fucked with or TMI that it has and wouldn't want to point it out. No scumpov to it.

Alison towny because she's been towny and if an actual town kidnapped someone like Alison I'mma vote them.

Mac has been kinda towny but I hedge bets super easily.
LC's hard defense of Honey is more about being maybe pocketed by Honey than anything else.
Osi is nice and solvy, I just like their posts.
Scotty's reaction to being put on trial kinda bleeds town but never seen him play red so maaaaaybe in wolf range. Unlikely
Garden Gnome is inno child. Also cute. Might be being affected.

Towny:
hollowkatt
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Alison
honey
Flea the Magician

<- No wolves above this line

Kinda towny:
MacDougall
Lime Coke
Scotty
lost monkey

Null:
Garden Gnome
osieorb18

POE:
TripleHaven
Dolby
Creature
TonyStarkPrime
listo95

Updated after reading Spew

I don't hate this list but Scotty and LoMo are not really towny at all.

Big sighs

Hk why did you think that was going to be a reliable check

[VOTE: scotty] aubergine its also about time for this i think

Anyways were gonna kill scotty then were gonna see his flip and go from there

Anyways were gonna kill scotty then were gonna see his flip and go from there

I... really don’t like that plan. I feel like Scotty is town. You focusing on this is making me feel even worse about you.

[VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine

Anyways were gonna kill scotty then were gonna see his flip and go from there

I... really don’t like that plan. I feel like Scotty is town. You focusing on this is making me feel even worse about you.

[VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine

Its a free clear and im not prepared to clear him town

I wrote a whole paragraph before I remembered a crucial characteristic about Scotty's claim

Also now that he’s dead, I did in fact get an item from Ender yesterday. I just didn’t know if I should trust it.

It’s a gun, and I still don’t know if it’s a Seanzie gun or a Mac gun. Either way, guns haven’t been extremely successful so ima keep it holstered

Scum probably knew this was fake. I'm not getting into that but this is unconvincing bait no matter what way I look at it. The stuff further up is a bit to ingrained and I kinda just want to be done with this post since I had to look for a number of snippets across multiple days

Honestly the fact that I got weaponized at all rather than them playing it on a teammate or something kinda makes me want to re-ev TH but just no, not after being frozen 2 days in a row

Idk but I want to re-ev him and LC before I have to leave today.

[MacDougall]

I'm just out here pooping my best poop.

[hollowkatt]

I made sushi

[MacDougall]

I have a plan. It is a fucking dope plan. I need everyone to be online for EOD to pull it off. When is EOD?

[Dolby]

Mac's the deep wolf and going to switch the votes while Ender comes in with his 3 death votes that are about to expire

[Dolby]

15 hours and 40 minutes

[MacDougall]

Nah it is a way better idea than that.

In the meantime I do need everyone to work out who we should chop tomorrow. I am still thinking C4 but I could be persuaded on Scotty.

[MacDougall]

15 hours and 40 minutes

1am my time. Joy.

[Dolby]

Thinking about that, Ender probably used cop invalidator -> wildcard or vice versa for days 1 and 2

[MacDougall]

Mac's the deep wolf and going to switch the votes while Ender comes in with his 3 death votes that are about to expire

what's this about death votes?

[MacDougall]

Also does anyone think there is a chance TH is the last?

[Dolby]

Mac's the deep wolf and going to switch the votes while Ender comes in with his 3 death votes that are about to expire

what's this about death votes?

Ender had some ability that I went back and looked back at and it's not going to be an issue because he flipped full role instead of alignment

[Dolby]

Also does anyone think there is a chance TH is the last?

I think the only flips that I think might be wrong are TSP and GG

TSP is far more likely than GG to be wrong but I don't see a 17 v 4 basically.

If TH is last scum they'd probs be fighting harder, and would've fought harder to avoid Martin going over, rather than just suddenly attach themselves than leave the thread 40 minutes later

[MacDougall]

What about the notion that there are 2 partners left?

[MacDougall]

@hollowkatt how earnest was Michelle's solving in DVC? I feel like it'd be pretty obvious whether she really was town. Can you talk more about that? You mentioned Michelle and Ender both claimed to have flipped wrong in DVC and both wanted Scotty dead?

Also have you explained how it is you came to be still alive?

[hollowkatt]

Also does anyone think there is a chance TH is the last?

Michelle, Ender, Martin, TH... Possible there's one more I guess?
also sushi

Spoiler: show

[Dolby]

What about the notion that there are 2 partners left?

Probable

Ender def scum
Osie overwhelmingly likely scum
Still feel like Michelle was a pretty likely red flip

I think 16v5 is possible

Also was reading Lime Coke and the best thing going for him is that he's in the soup kill

Interactions with mafia from his end to them tend to be softballs

Ngl I don't want to read Scotty's 400 posts

[Lime Coke]

When you get back from Wendy's and order yourself a Lime Coke.

[ytubehd][/ytubehd]

[c4e5g3d5]

Nah it is a way better idea than that.

In the meantime I do need everyone to work out who we should chop tomorrow. I am still thinking C4 but I could be persuaded on Scotty.

Wait but that's dumb

[Dolby]

Also does anyone think there is a chance TH is the last?

Michelle, Ender, Martin, TH... Possible there's one more I guess?
also sushi

Spoiler: show

fwiw I think it's possible that TSP's flip was fake

[MacDougall]

Nah it is a way better idea than that.

In the meantime I do need everyone to work out who we should chop tomorrow. I am still thinking C4 but I could be persuaded on Scotty.

Wait but that's dumb

Then persuade me.

[hollowkatt]

@hollowkatt how earnest was Michelle's solving in DVC? I feel like it'd be pretty obvious whether she really was town. Can you talk more about that? You mentioned Michelle and Ender both claimed to have flipped wrong in DVC and both wanted Scotty dead?

Also have you explained how it is you came to be still alive?

Michelle wasn't earnestly solving in DVC. She maintained that she flipped wrong but didn't work to solve anyone living.
We were given an option to send a name to someone that if they were alive would kill the named person. I advocated TH, everyone else who participated advocated Scotty. I think Honey was most vocal there.

I am alive b/c I had a 10% chance to resurrect. That ability isn't in my "role" it's in my "card", like the cards we all got to start the game that could be traded, it's in there.

[MacDougall]

What about the notion that there are 2 partners left?

Probable

Ender def scum
Osie overwhelmingly likely scum
Still feel like Michelle was a pretty likely red flip

I think 16v5 is possible

Also was reading Lime Coke and the best thing going for him is that he's in the soup kill

Interactions with mafia from his end to them tend to be softballs

Ngl I don't want to read Scotty's 400 posts

If those three flips were accurate that would mean that there is only one after TH unless HK has come back a zombie.

[c4e5g3d5]

Nah it is a way better idea than that.

In the meantime I do need everyone to work out who we should chop tomorrow. I am still thinking C4 but I could be persuaded on Scotty.

Wait but that's dumb

Then persuade me.

Onto Scotty? No

[hollowkatt]

I didn't think Michelle was being townie in dead chat, just that she insisted she flipped wrong.

[MacDougall]

@hollowkatt how earnest was Michelle's solving in DVC? I feel like it'd be pretty obvious whether she really was town. Can you talk more about that? You mentioned Michelle and Ender both claimed to have flipped wrong in DVC and both wanted Scotty dead?

Also have you explained how it is you came to be still alive?

Michelle wasn't earnestly solving in DVC. She maintained that she flipped wrong but didn't work to solve anyone living.
We were given an option to send a name to someone that if they were alive would kill the named person. I advocated TH, everyone else who participated advocated Scotty. I think Honey was most vocal there.

I am alive b/c I had a 10% chance to resurrect. That ability isn't in my "role" it's in my "card", like the cards we all got to start the game that could be traded, it's in there.

You hit a 1/10 chance to resurrect? Wow.

[MacDougall]

Nah it is a way better idea than that.

In the meantime I do need everyone to work out who we should chop tomorrow. I am still thinking C4 but I could be persuaded on Scotty.

Wait but that's dumb

Then persuade me.

Onto Scotty? No

Did I say a name.

[MacDougall]

and why not Scotty?