Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Marmot]

oh yes falcon and I as mafia just decided to do this d1 and then I faked a green on him. good read.

You did say you imagined you could sleepwalk to a victory if you keep signing up for games.

I'm genuinely whelmed

You might as well tell us how you know he's town. Are your roles linked? Do you have BTSC? Does your role give you information before D1?

Also Nanook was voting Falcon for forever and I find it a little weird that both of you have a connection to him

I didn't realize that, and he hasn't called his votes, but based on Nanook's early posts, that checks out.

Also, I looked back at the thing you mentioned with regards to Nanook having tmi. I don't think his original assumption that you had tmi was off-base for someone to make.

Spoiler: show

illario is kinda scummy but he's told me before he tries to be scummy as town right away to not get night killed and if he's mason with leetic then he prob is annoyed leetic claimed so too soon to tell

They're closer to a hydra than a mason

Neither me nor ilario had mentioned anything about a Hydra and instead I described it as a weird Mason/Double voter combo. I find this interesting because describing it as a Hydra is exactly how the host described it in BTSC, which makes me think this is potential TMI

You're two players sharing the same slot how is that tmi lol

But I found his next post to be far worse.

Spoiler: show

Also uh...for it to be tmi one of you woild have to be mafia?

This doesn't really make sense to me. Like I don't get why one of you would be mafia in the world where Nanook sees you two as a hydra.

ALSO

illario is kinda scummy but he's told me before he tries to be scummy as town right away to not get night killed and if he's mason with leetic then he prob is annoyed leetic claimed so too soon to tell

They're closer to a hydra than a mason

Neither me nor ilario had mentioned anything about a Hydra and instead I described it as a weird Mason/Double voter combo. I find this interesting because describing it as a Hydra is exactly how the host described it in BTSC, which makes me think this is potential TMI

TMI as in the host told Nanook? Big allegation.

Mac was around for that discussion, and also downplayed it. Why would the host tell Nanook such a thing, and why would Mac just dismiss something like that?

[MacDougall]

26 hours in fact I waited before using the check

[MacDougall]

oh yes falcon and I as mafia just decided to do this d1 and then I faked a green on him. good read.

You did say you imagined you could sleepwalk to a victory if you keep signing up for games.

I'm genuinely whelmed

You might as well tell us how you know he's town. Are your roles linked? Do you have BTSC? Does your role give you information before D1?

Also Nanook was voting Falcon for forever and I find it a little weird that both of you have a connection to him

I didn't realize that, and he hasn't called his votes, but based on Nanook's early posts, that checks out.

Also, I looked back at the thing you mentioned with regards to Nanook having tmi. I don't think his original assumption that you had tmi was off-base for someone to make.

Spoiler: show

illario is kinda scummy but he's told me before he tries to be scummy as town right away to not get night killed and if he's mason with leetic then he prob is annoyed leetic claimed so too soon to tell

They're closer to a hydra than a mason

Neither me nor ilario had mentioned anything about a Hydra and instead I described it as a weird Mason/Double voter combo. I find this interesting because describing it as a Hydra is exactly how the host described it in BTSC, which makes me think this is potential TMI

You're two players sharing the same slot how is that tmi lol

But I found his next post to be far worse.

Spoiler: show

Also uh...for it to be tmi one of you woild have to be mafia?

This doesn't really make sense to me. Like I don't get why one of you would be mafia in the world where Nanook sees you two as a hydra.

ALSO

illario is kinda scummy but he's told me before he tries to be scummy as town right away to not get night killed and if he's mason with leetic then he prob is annoyed leetic claimed so too soon to tell

They're closer to a hydra than a mason

Neither me nor ilario had mentioned anything about a Hydra and instead I described it as a weird Mason/Double voter combo. I find this interesting because describing it as a Hydra is exactly how the host described it in BTSC, which makes me think this is potential TMI

TMI as in the host told Nanook? Big allegation.

Mac was around for that discussion, and also downplayed it. Why would the host tell Nanook such a thing, and why would Mac just dismiss something like that?

Eli5 what the issue here is? I wasn't really paying attention much at the time and the accusation just seemed weird.

[Marmot]

falcon posted in the game, I am mildly surprised he wouldn't log into a neighborhood chat he received, especially if he was town (or really either alignment)

[MacDougall]

falcon and I have a chat... I have a green on falcon because we have a role that means one of us can get a green on the other. first in best dressed. falcon didn't join the chat for the first 36 hrs of the game so I used it and got a green on him.

What do you mean by "can get a green on the other"? What would have happened if Falcon was scum?

sorry I've just been saying green a lot

there is a shared alignment check and I used it on him and it returned green. if he was mafia it'd have been red.

That does seem a bit unbalanced in a game where roles aren't tied to alignment and millers explicitly don't exist, seems like it would be unfair for Mafia to rand into such a role. Regardless, I would definitely feel more comfortable voting for Wilgy or Axehole.

well I was hopefully he'd check me green but I just got trigger happy

[MacDougall]

falcon posted in the game, I am mildly surprised he wouldn't log into a neighborhood chat he received, especially if he was town (or really either alignment)

and yet that exactly happened...

[leetic]

Don't have Ctrl-F to check right now as I'm on mobile but I believe Falcon posted a townread on Mac before Mac did the same to Falcon. Does Falcon have a reason to strongly townread Mac?

[Marmot]

Erm, why would you check your neighborhood partner instead of another player in the game, and just try to get a read on him in the neighborhood chat?

[Marmot]

Spoiler: show

I'm not caught up. At all.



Who's got reads for me to sheep, or would it be better if J just swung wildly in the dark?

Wasin the working; Happening the here?

Ha, yeeting Mac; What of Mac is the case?

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine



Intuition

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine



He's bound to be Maf one of these times

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine



He's bound to be Maf one of these times

Why is this the time, captain falcon

A combination of probability & your less than towny posting

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine



He's bound to be Maf one of these times

Why is this the time, captain falcon

A combination of probability & your less than towny posting

Please expand on the latter thing

Sure thing.


You are not trying to form a towncore. I don't know that I've ever seen you have so few posted townreads before. You don't usually scum hunt, you town hunt. I'm not seeing that here.


Your tone is...off. I imagine it's tough to hunt for town when you already know who town is

I've scammed with Mac, and he never once farted.



I'd think he'd be less full of frivolity if he were scum

falcon has 6 posts today

Post 1: Nothing in particular

Post 2: Votes Wilgy who is asking what the case on Mac is.

Post 3: Votes Jay because he's bound to be mafia (I've disproved this logic, and also Jay happened to be voting Mac at the time)

Post 4: Followup on above

Post 5: Levels a better acusation against Jay

Post 6: Defends Mac's farting status



All of these posts are in some capacity defending Mac. Mac claims a green falcon at the same time. Yeah, I think nutella's right and this looks awful for both of them.

@leetic check the spoiler for all of falcons posts today.

[MacDougall]

Erm, why would you check your neighborhood partner instead of another player in the game, and just try to get a read on him in the neighborhood chat?

because that's the fucking role

[MacDougall]

use your brain please

[MacDougall]

Don't have Ctrl-F to check right now as I'm on mobile but I believe Falcon posted a townread on Mac before Mac did the same to Falcon. Does Falcon have a reason to strongly townread Mac?

because when he came in i told him I had a green on him and asked him to save me and we agreed on some reads so he obliged me

[MacDougall]

here it is again

Falcon and I randed neighbours
we have the same role
the role is to be able to alignment check the other one
I farted for 2 days cuz I am self resolving
Falcon posted without showing up so I checked him after 26 hrs

[MacDougall]

only one of us can use the role

[Marmot]

I'm doing the best I can with the information you've presented.

My understanding is that you and falcon were given a neighborhood together. You don't know each other's alignments. Collectively, you were also given an alignment check that you could use on someone at any point in the game including Day 1. You opted to use it on falcon. Is this correct?

To me, this doesn't seem like the logical use of this role, which is part of why I don't buy it.

Also, you have 7 posts until postcap (104), just in case you weren't aware.

[MacDougall]

*fart*

[Marmot]

Oooh, you can use it on the other person only, not someone else in the game.

[Marmot]

I guess it could be true, but it doesn't clear Mac at all.

[leetic]

I'm doing the best I can with the information you've presented.

My understanding is that you and falcon were given a neighborhood together. You don't know each other's alignments. Collectively, you were also given an alignment check that you could use on someone at any point in the game including Day 1. You opted to use it on falcon. Is this correct?

To me, this doesn't seem like the logical use of this role, which is part of why I don't buy it.

Also, you have 7 posts until postcap (104), just in case you weren't aware.

If what Mac says is true, it only clears Falcon and not Mac. Keep in mind 1. if Mac is lying about the sequence of events Falcon can dispute that unless they mutually agreed to a lie and 2. Mac would be putting one of his partners under unneeded scrutiny if they're w/w. I don't entirely trust Mac but I'm willing to treat Falcon as town.

[DrWilgy]

Wasin of melt with Marmot; Notting the believe of claim.

[DrWilgy]

Claim now, notting the sensing; too early

Ising of nothing to lose, claim really?

[leetic]

I'm doing the best I can with the information you've presented.

My understanding is that you and falcon were given a neighborhood together. You don't know each other's alignments. Collectively, you were also given an alignment check that you could use on someone at any point in the game including Day 1. You opted to use it on falcon. Is this correct?

To me, this doesn't seem like the logical use of this role, which is part of why I don't buy it.

Also, you have 7 posts until postcap (104), just in case you weren't aware.

If what Mac says is true, it only clears Falcon and not Mac. Keep in mind 1. if Mac is lying about the sequence of events Falcon can dispute that unless they mutually agreed to a lie and 2. Mac would be putting one of his partners under unneeded scrutiny if they're w/w. I don't entirely trust Mac but I'm willing to treat Falcon as town.

Wait a second, if Mac really did wait to check, and Falcon can confirm, maybe it is T/T as wolf Mac would check as soon as possible in that situation. Maybe Mac knew Falcon would be inactive and felt there would be no risk in waiting, but that seems unlikely.

[ilario]

Lmao macs claim is a big yikes

Essentially I find it very weird that Mac would ever give up an opportunity to clear his slot and let falcon green check him so I found it very weird he didn’t just wait for falcon to join the discord, I also think the dynamic of giving the neighbourhood a green check on each other is kinda pointless if they were both green and much more interesting if there’s one red and one green which may be the case.

/vote mac

[staypositivefriend]

i only find mac's claim implausible through the lens of him claiming to be self-resolving - i feel like it stretches credibility to have a role that could have confirmed you as town while also having a role that confirms you as town through you being self-resolving. i don't really buy that he's 100% self-resolving as either alignment, tbh

[MacDougall]

Lmao macs claim is a big yikes

Essentially I find it very weird that Mac would ever give up an opportunity to clear his slot and let falcon green check him so I found it very weird he didn’t just wait for falcon to join the discord, I also think the dynamic of giving the neighbourhood a green check on each other is kinda pointless if they were both green and much more interesting if there’s one red and one green which may be the case.

/vote mac

I did wait. 26 hours.

[staypositivefriend]

i only find mac's claim implausible through the lens of him claiming to be self-resolving - i feel like it stretches credibility to have a role that could have confirmed you as town while also having a role that confirms you as town through you being self-resolving. i don't really buy that he's 100% self-resolving as either alignment, tbh

also there's an interesting synchronicity between illario and leetic's claim and mac and falcon's claim even if they arent exactly identical. i would speculate that it is improbable for there to be 2 pairs of players that can become confirmed town to each other (to a certain extent), but anything can happen in a role madness setup

[MacDougall]

meh just ask falcon... if you wanna throw and chop me go ahead noobs

[staypositivefriend]

meh just ask falcon... if you wanna throw and chop me go ahead noobs

you claim to be self-resolving tho, so at what point in this game will your alignment become resolved?

[MacDougall]

meh just ask falcon... if you wanna throw and chop me go ahead noobs

you claim to be self-resolving tho, so at what point in this game will your alignment become resolved?

i presumed that me outing that I had a real green check would force the mafia to pot me thinking i have more checks, but clearly I don't self resolve now

[staypositivefriend]

i dunno. i think that mac's claim might be fake. i'm open to exploring options outside of him, though. it concerns me that there are no consensus scumreads outside of mac, which is probably bad news for the game regardless of mac's alignment

[staypositivefriend]

be back tomorrow

[Marmot]

Claim now, notting the sensing; too early

Ising of nothing to lose, claim really?

Partially transparency

Partially boredom

[leetic]

i dunno. i think that mac's claim might be fake. i'm open to exploring options outside of him, though. it concerns me that there are no consensus scumreads outside of mac, which is probably bad news for the game regardless of mac's alignment

If Mac has a fakeclaim, falcon will be able to tell us, unless you believe they made such a risky w/w gambit that would result in the other dying if one of them dies. Anyway, how do you feel about DrWilgy? He's pretty scummy

[MacDougall]

i dunno. i think that mac's claim might be fake. i'm open to exploring options outside of him, though. it concerns me that there are no consensus scumreads outside of mac, which is probably bad news for the game regardless of mac's alignment

surely you're full of shit if you think i'd make a play like this as mafia

[MacDougall]

i dunno. i think that mac's claim might be fake. i'm open to exploring options outside of him, though. it concerns me that there are no consensus scumreads outside of mac, which is probably bad news for the game regardless of mac's alignment

If Mac has a fakeclaim, falcon will be able to tell us, unless you believe they made such a risky w/w gambit that would result in the other dying if one of them dies. Anyway, how do you feel about DrWilgy? He's pretty scummy

wilgy is a doo doo head at best

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

I've seen him view the thread today, maybe @Sloonei can some share some thoughts soon.

[MacDougall]

count the wolves voting for mac should be the game here

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

I've seen him view the thread today, maybe @Sloonei can some share some thoughts soon.

For some reason I thought this was angleshooting but yeah I've also seen Sloonei in the "Who's viewing the thread" spot a few times.

[nutella]

falcon and I have a chat... I have a green on falcon because we have a role that means one of us can get a green on the other. first in best dressed. falcon didn't join the chat for the first 36 hrs of the game so I used it and got a green on him.

Lil weird but ok fine

[staypositivefriend]

i dunno. i think that mac's claim might be fake. i'm open to exploring options outside of him, though. it concerns me that there are no consensus scumreads outside of mac, which is probably bad news for the game regardless of mac's alignment

surely you're full of shit if you think i'd make a play like this as mafia

why wouldn't you? i mean, your claim is most likely real regardless of your alignment, but if you are a wolf who got this specific role, you would be backed into a corner of either needing to greencheck falcon or have falcon redcheck you, and in either case, i don't think your claim speaks for your alignment. you can claim that you would have approached your claim differently if you were a wolf but that feels shifty

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

I've seen him view the thread today, maybe @Sloonei can some share some thoughts soon.

For some reason I thought this was angleshooting but yeah I've also seen Sloonei in the "Who's viewing the thread" spot a few times.

Yeah, he's someone who keeps his online status visible.

I do too, and I always keep a tab with game threads open so y'all always think I'm watching.

[Marmot]

Mac is frozen postcapped, just an fyi.

So are Nanook, NAA, and iaafr.

[staypositivefriend]

i dunno. i think that mac's claim might be fake. i'm open to exploring options outside of him, though. it concerns me that there are no consensus scumreads outside of mac, which is probably bad news for the game regardless of mac's alignment

If Mac has a fakeclaim, falcon will be able to tell us, unless you believe they made such a risky w/w gambit that would result in the other dying if one of them dies. Anyway, how do you feel about DrWilgy? He's pretty scummy

i have found it difficult to get alignment indicative information out of drwilgy's posts. an argument could be made that he's wolfy for seeming to have a vested interest in maintaining an active presence in the thread without seeming to have a vested interest in solving the game, but it's not a read i feel particularly good about

ill vote for him with you for the sake of having different wagons [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[leetic]

My updated reads taking into account current events:

ilario/leetic
cassandra
iaffr
Lime Coke
falcon46ca
MacDougall
nutella
Marmot
JaggedJimmyJay
staypositivefriend
anne
Master Radishes
Sloonei
Dyslexicon
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

DrWilgy
NotAnAxehole

Mac and falcon obviously move up for a claim that Occam's Razor leads me to believe makes them town. Marmot moves up based on claim and a potential derpclear, while JJJ and spf move down - the former because I'm not sure I buy that he thinks we shouldn't be pressuring people and the latter due to a lack of real effort today and a number of waffly posts including the one on how there aren't consensus town reads. I still think they're most likely town but they're the weaker reads in my towncore. Sloonei and Dyslexicon both move down due to POE.

[staypositivefriend]

marmot has become one of my strongest townreads. funny how that happens

[Marmot]

marmot has become one of my strongest townreads. funny how that happens

Because I'm no officially the post-leader >=D

[nutella]

Let's not refer to online/viewing information in game k?


Anyway idk on mac, I want falcon to confirm that mac gave falcon ample time to use the check bc I'm concerned that wolf mac would be more eager to use the peek. But I do find Mac's accounting of events plausible, with falcon not showing up to the chat promptly etc, so I'd be fine with focusing elsewhere.

[Marmot]

Let's not refer to online/viewing information in game k?


Anyway idk on mac, I want falcon to confirm that mac gave falcon ample time to use the check bc I'm concerned that wolf mac would be more eager to use the peek. But I do find Mac's accounting of events plausible, with falcon not showing up to the chat promptly etc, so I'd be fine with focusing elsewhere.

I've always taken that as discussable information, is it not?

I agree, I'd prefer to hear from falcon before moving forward. I'd like to also add that when one of them dies, it will give us massive amounts of info on the other, and we should always flip Mac first if it comes down to it.

[staypositivefriend]

illario (and leetic, by extension), marmot, nutella, iaafr, lime coke, and probably cassandra are my current strongest townreads.

i feel pretty good about illario, leetic, and marmot

i have some lingering paranoia about nutella/iaafr but i think there's 1 wolf in them maximum (cause i suspect their game would look quite different if they rand'd W/W with each other)

dont think it's outside the realm of possibility for either lime coke or cassandra to just be playing a competent wolf game but i think theyve both towntold quite a bit at individual moments so im rolling with them being town for now

the names immediately below that would probably be nanook (who im having some tinfoil over primarily because of recency bias) and falcon (who im accepting as "greenchecked" for now)

[Master Radishes]

Articulating things is hard at 6am.