Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Esooa]

Why are illario and leetic in the poll together?

[staypositivefriend]

alright, im caught up with the thread. im somewhat tipsy and tired as hell so wont be able to dive into things until i get some sleep, but cassandra, illario/leetic, marmot, and lime coke are all villagers

[Lime Coke]

i legit led the CFD on JJJ

the fact that you'd even consider me as mafia at this point is complete bs from you lmfao

maybe if i were maf it would be more front of mind that you led the cfd but since im town i am just reactively getting bad vibes from you rn and not caring whatever else you had going for you

like sure that's cool but you're def reminding me of ur scum games rn

mehhh these posts sound so bad to me, nutella going "I'm town and that's because the things I'm doing are towny right now and I recognize that," I just don't like, especially something like "if I was mafia I would have better reads but I don't care cause I'm town"

But any time I think this it's wrong and posts like this are usually just town

I think I've seen Nutella do this before as town too, I don't really remember

I know that in bread mafia I thought she was aw olf incorrectly for saying a bunch of stuff about how she's out of wolf range etc when pushed

yeah, i think alexa should know this too

Is Cassandra Alexa?

Yes

[iaafr]

anyway everyone give iaafr a hand for correctly identifying nutella town when she flips

her tone today seems okay, shes not a top priority for me

shes a top priority for your masonlover and half the thread so either you bury someone harder or shes gonna die

[nutella]

#2080 is insanely wolfy

idk what my post count is

how/why

just felt extreme W/W with nutella
literally read it
im going to bed for now tho

come back when you know how to read past level 0

[cassandra]

/vote cassandra

[Lime Coke]

Why are illario and leetic in the poll together?

They're in a mason chat together and their post counts are cut in half, so each can only post 50 times.

[leetic]

Maybe this is the game Jimmay and Sloonmeister finally landed mafia together. We can only hope.

What do you guys think about this post from Dyslexicon? It kind of came out of nowhere, especially considering they hadn't voiced suspicion of either slot up to that point, and the posts leading up to it don't elucidate it any further

smells unaligned 2 me

It kind of reeks of trying too hard, since the post came from nowhere and did not flow naturally from their or anyone else's progression. It just feels like TMI.

List of people from least suspicious to most suspicious:

ilario - Mod-confirmed town to me
Marmot - Strong claim, doubt mafia would take responsibility for settling ties rather than keeping it hidden
cassandra - Good progression, good-looking EoD
Lime Coke - Same reasons as cassandra
falcon45ca - Is only scum if Mac is also, and probably not even then
anne - Not sure why people are still suspecting her, only way she's scum is if Wilgy and Axehole are also scum otherwise Jay would have no reason to bus
MacDougall - Good-looking interactions with Jay, Mac's a good enough player that he can fake them though. Still, I think the claim is more likely town than not.
iaafr - A bit all over the place at EoD, I have mixed feelings about him jumping off Jay's wagon, but there's still a lot of reasons to townread him
staypositivefriend - Probably my least confident of my town reads, she's towny but nothing that's lock town and is a little hedgy for my liking
NotAnAxehole - Jay seemed unconcerned with the possibility of him dying and 640 seems too obvious for a w/w interaction. Still, I'm not a fan of how he voted JJJ at last minute while previously saying he wouldn't vote Jay.
DrWilgy - Like Axehole, Jay seemed unconcerned with the possibility of him dying, and I can kind of see why MR would be a good shot from a town perspective. Still, there's nothing in his ISO that's particularly towny.
Sloonei/whoever his replacement is - Largely here due to PoE and a couple of Jay interactions that look not the best,
Dyslexicon - Many posts that look scummy in hindsight, 1035 is a noticeable example, bad Jay interactions
nutella - Showed same hedginess of Jay, scummy defense of Jay, last post before EoD was particularly scummy, seriously I would be shocked if this doesn't flip wolf.

wall post wolf

Yeah, you're gonna have to try harder than that. My post restriction's twice as strict as yours, y'know

You made a couple posts claiming a red check but you had literal no conviction in it, and then you left for a bit to return with a random wall post, just feels mostly fake to me right now, and like giving thoughts rather to look productive rather than having them

Yeah, it was a gambit, and I was playing Smash with a friend so I couldn't post right away. I've been collecting my thoughts in BTSC for the better part of the last 48 hours. Why are you judging my post by these technicalities rather than what's actually in them?

Also, can someone who suspects anne tell me why they think JJJ would bus her? Also, what do you make of JJJ's hedginess the last time he was in thread, do you think he would have acted the same way if he thought that there was a considerable risk that one of his teammates would have gone down?

[Esooa]

#2080 is insanely wolfy

idk what my post count is

how/why

just felt extreme W/W with nutella
literally read it
im going to bed for now tho

Alexa,

I sincerely apologize for speaking good will of your wolf read

Apologies, Esooa

[Lime Coke]

/vote cassandra

No, back on Nutella, she's just mad we caught her.

[nutella]

Why are illario and leetic in the poll together?

you had like a zillion hours to read the thread during night phase im not babying you

[Marmot]

#2080 is insanely wolfy

idk what my post count is

how/why

I think the scummiest thing about if for esooa is that she hasn't mentioned nutella yet this game, then chose to write a long (long by esooa's standard post length thus far) and serious (also relative to esooa's other posts) post in defense of nutella in the middle of this mounting thunderdome. The tonal/volume shift don't match.

[leetic]

Why are illario and leetic in the poll together?

I mean, your confusion at all the basic game mechanics seems genuine at least, so I can believe you were not in wolfchat for the past ~6 hours

[cassandra]

im going to cry i cant keep track of my posts

[iaafr]

lc is there anything i can say to make you stop tunneling for like at least half a day phase

[Esooa]

Maybe this is the game Jimmay and Sloonmeister finally landed mafia together. We can only hope.

What do you guys think about this post from Dyslexicon? It kind of came out of nowhere, especially considering they hadn't voiced suspicion of either slot up to that point, and the posts leading up to it don't elucidate it any further

smells unaligned 2 me

It kind of reeks of trying too hard, since the post came from nowhere and did not flow naturally from their or anyone else's progression. It just feels like TMI.

List of people from least suspicious to most suspicious:

ilario - Mod-confirmed town to me
Marmot - Strong claim, doubt mafia would take responsibility for settling ties rather than keeping it hidden
cassandra - Good progression, good-looking EoD
Lime Coke - Same reasons as cassandra
falcon45ca - Is only scum if Mac is also, and probably not even then
anne - Not sure why people are still suspecting her, only way she's scum is if Wilgy and Axehole are also scum otherwise Jay would have no reason to bus
MacDougall - Good-looking interactions with Jay, Mac's a good enough player that he can fake them though. Still, I think the claim is more likely town than not.
iaafr - A bit all over the place at EoD, I have mixed feelings about him jumping off Jay's wagon, but there's still a lot of reasons to townread him
staypositivefriend - Probably my least confident of my town reads, she's towny but nothing that's lock town and is a little hedgy for my liking
NotAnAxehole - Jay seemed unconcerned with the possibility of him dying and 640 seems too obvious for a w/w interaction. Still, I'm not a fan of how he voted JJJ at last minute while previously saying he wouldn't vote Jay.
DrWilgy - Like Axehole, Jay seemed unconcerned with the possibility of him dying, and I can kind of see why MR would be a good shot from a town perspective. Still, there's nothing in his ISO that's particularly towny.
Sloonei/whoever his replacement is - Largely here due to PoE and a couple of Jay interactions that look not the best,
Dyslexicon - Many posts that look scummy in hindsight, 1035 is a noticeable example, bad Jay interactions
nutella - Showed same hedginess of Jay, scummy defense of Jay, last post before EoD was particularly scummy, seriously I would be shocked if this doesn't flip wolf.

wall post wolf

Yeah, you're gonna have to try harder than that. My post restriction's twice as strict as yours, y'know

You made a couple posts claiming a red check but you had literal no conviction in it, and then you left for a bit to return with a random wall post, just feels mostly fake to me right now, and like giving thoughts rather to look productive rather than having them

Yeah, it was a gambit, and I was playing Smash with a friend so I couldn't post right away. I've been collecting my thoughts in BTSC for the better part of the last 48 hours. Why are you judging my post by these technicalities rather than what's actually in them?

Also, can someone who suspects anne tell me why they think JJJ would bus her? Also, what do you make of JJJ's hedginess the last time he was in thread, do you think he would have acted the same way if he thought that there was a considerable risk that one of his teammates would have gone down?

How is that a technicality? You had the desire to fake a red on your wolf read and the conviction of a wet towel in it?

But apparently you're a mason so lol

[Marmot]

Why are illario and leetic in the poll together?

you had like a zillion hours to read the thread during night phase im not babying you

Uh.... Did she sub in over night, or right as the day turned?

[Marmot]

Is this a scumslip?

[staypositivefriend]

@ilario voting the deciding vote against mafia is a bad play tbh. I have no reason to move from Anne to JJJ if I'm on his team.

Bc Anne is also maf obv

Why? Literally explain why.

Wagons, movement and composition like marmot said, other ppl are townier

Idk I think axe's last minute vote on Jay is an awkward bus regardless of anne's alignment, but it's possible she has a stronger role

@nutella - can you expand on the bolded please? there was a completely immovable and stubborn wagon on anne that remained static in spite of how chaotic the EOD1 got, and this gave me the impression that anne was the designated d1 mischop. i dont think this read holds up to logical scrutiny and i actually think it's entirely possible anne is mafia, but im curious why you think that the wagon movement points to her being a wolf when i think on a surface level, it looks like the opposite

[cassandra]

I HARD CLAIM PROTECTIVE

[Esooa]

#2080 is insanely wolfy

idk what my post count is

how/why

I think the scummiest thing about if for esooa is that she hasn't mentioned nutella yet this game, then chose to write a long (long by esooa's standard post length thus far) and serious (also relative to esooa's other posts) post in defense of nutella in the middle of this mounting thunderdome. The tonal/volume shift don't match.

I am sorry for not having mentioned a specific player in what

The 40 minutes we've been here?

[leetic]

Maybe this is the game Jimmay and Sloonmeister finally landed mafia together. We can only hope.

What do you guys think about this post from Dyslexicon? It kind of came out of nowhere, especially considering they hadn't voiced suspicion of either slot up to that point, and the posts leading up to it don't elucidate it any further

smells unaligned 2 me

It kind of reeks of trying too hard, since the post came from nowhere and did not flow naturally from their or anyone else's progression. It just feels like TMI.

List of people from least suspicious to most suspicious:

ilario - Mod-confirmed town to me
Marmot - Strong claim, doubt mafia would take responsibility for settling ties rather than keeping it hidden
cassandra - Good progression, good-looking EoD
Lime Coke - Same reasons as cassandra
falcon45ca - Is only scum if Mac is also, and probably not even then
anne - Not sure why people are still suspecting her, only way she's scum is if Wilgy and Axehole are also scum otherwise Jay would have no reason to bus
MacDougall - Good-looking interactions with Jay, Mac's a good enough player that he can fake them though. Still, I think the claim is more likely town than not.
iaafr - A bit all over the place at EoD, I have mixed feelings about him jumping off Jay's wagon, but there's still a lot of reasons to townread him
staypositivefriend - Probably my least confident of my town reads, she's towny but nothing that's lock town and is a little hedgy for my liking
NotAnAxehole - Jay seemed unconcerned with the possibility of him dying and 640 seems too obvious for a w/w interaction. Still, I'm not a fan of how he voted JJJ at last minute while previously saying he wouldn't vote Jay.
DrWilgy - Like Axehole, Jay seemed unconcerned with the possibility of him dying, and I can kind of see why MR would be a good shot from a town perspective. Still, there's nothing in his ISO that's particularly towny.
Sloonei/whoever his replacement is - Largely here due to PoE and a couple of Jay interactions that look not the best,
Dyslexicon - Many posts that look scummy in hindsight, 1035 is a noticeable example, bad Jay interactions
nutella - Showed same hedginess of Jay, scummy defense of Jay, last post before EoD was particularly scummy, seriously I would be shocked if this doesn't flip wolf.

wall post wolf

Yeah, you're gonna have to try harder than that. My post restriction's twice as strict as yours, y'know

You made a couple posts claiming a red check but you had literal no conviction in it, and then you left for a bit to return with a random wall post, just feels mostly fake to me right now, and like giving thoughts rather to look productive rather than having them

Yeah, it was a gambit, and I was playing Smash with a friend so I couldn't post right away. I've been collecting my thoughts in BTSC for the better part of the last 48 hours. Why are you judging my post by these technicalities rather than what's actually in them?

Also, can someone who suspects anne tell me why they think JJJ would bus her? Also, what do you make of JJJ's hedginess the last time he was in thread, do you think he would have acted the same way if he thought that there was a considerable risk that one of his teammates would have gone down?

How is that a technicality? You had the desire to fake a red on your wolf read and the conviction of a wet towel in it?

But apparently you're a mason so lol

I didn't want a potential town cop to CC me lol

But this conversation is wasting precious posts for me, so I'll drop it

[Esooa]

Why are illario and leetic in the poll together?

you had like a zillion hours to read the thread during night phase im not babying you

Then ignore my post, bronana, I don't care

[nutella]

Maybe this is the game Jimmay and Sloonmeister finally landed mafia together. We can only hope.

What do you guys think about this post from Dyslexicon? It kind of came out of nowhere, especially considering they hadn't voiced suspicion of either slot up to that point, and the posts leading up to it don't elucidate it any further

smells unaligned 2 me

It kind of reeks of trying too hard, since the post came from nowhere and did not flow naturally from their or anyone else's progression. It just feels like TMI.

List of people from least suspicious to most suspicious:

ilario - Mod-confirmed town to me
Marmot - Strong claim, doubt mafia would take responsibility for settling ties rather than keeping it hidden
cassandra - Good progression, good-looking EoD
Lime Coke - Same reasons as cassandra
falcon45ca - Is only scum if Mac is also, and probably not even then
anne - Not sure why people are still suspecting her, only way she's scum is if Wilgy and Axehole are also scum otherwise Jay would have no reason to bus
MacDougall - Good-looking interactions with Jay, Mac's a good enough player that he can fake them though. Still, I think the claim is more likely town than not.
iaafr - A bit all over the place at EoD, I have mixed feelings about him jumping off Jay's wagon, but there's still a lot of reasons to townread him
staypositivefriend - Probably my least confident of my town reads, she's towny but nothing that's lock town and is a little hedgy for my liking
NotAnAxehole - Jay seemed unconcerned with the possibility of him dying and 640 seems too obvious for a w/w interaction. Still, I'm not a fan of how he voted JJJ at last minute while previously saying he wouldn't vote Jay.
DrWilgy - Like Axehole, Jay seemed unconcerned with the possibility of him dying, and I can kind of see why MR would be a good shot from a town perspective. Still, there's nothing in his ISO that's particularly towny.
Sloonei/whoever his replacement is - Largely here due to PoE and a couple of Jay interactions that look not the best,
Dyslexicon - Many posts that look scummy in hindsight, 1035 is a noticeable example, bad Jay interactions
nutella - Showed same hedginess of Jay, scummy defense of Jay, last post before EoD was particularly scummy, seriously I would be shocked if this doesn't flip wolf.

wall post wolf

Yeah, you're gonna have to try harder than that. My post restriction's twice as strict as yours, y'know

You made a couple posts claiming a red check but you had literal no conviction in it, and then you left for a bit to return with a random wall post, just feels mostly fake to me right now, and like giving thoughts rather to look productive rather than having them

Yeah, it was a gambit, and I was playing Smash with a friend so I couldn't post right away. I've been collecting my thoughts in BTSC for the better part of the last 48 hours. Why are you judging my post by these technicalities rather than what's actually in them?

Also, can someone who suspects anne tell me why they think JJJ would bus her? Also, what do you make of JJJ's hedginess the last time he was in thread, do you think he would have acted the same way if he thought that there was a considerable risk that one of his teammates would have gone down?

jay's stance on anne was quite weak/shrug, can easily see it as a nonchalant bus as her wagon took off, might need to reread it though

[Lime Coke]

lc is there anything i can say to make you stop tunneling for like at least half a day phase

I'll leave her alone I'm keeping track of others in the thread.

I'm just super confident on this one.

[nutella]

Why are illario and leetic in the poll together?

you had like a zillion hours to read the thread during night phase im not babying you

Uh.... Did she sub in over night, or right as the day turned?

it was posted several hours earlier

[Esooa]

Lime ngl I don't blame you for thinking my d1 was weak, I'm playing more low key than usual due to rl stuff, and on that note I will be flying home tomorrow and will be quite sparse

Still it should be clear that I'm uninformed and jumping between reads organically

if you guys really think that's how i would approach a teammate jay when everyone else called out that he was off, im actually kinda insulted

whats up with this though

[cassandra]

/vote nutella

[cassandra]

esooa is mafia tbh

[Esooa]

esooa is mafia tbh

Did you not read my heartfelt apologies?

[nutella]

@ilario voting the deciding vote against mafia is a bad play tbh. I have no reason to move from Anne to JJJ if I'm on his team.

Bc Anne is also maf obv

Why? Literally explain why.

Wagons, movement and composition like marmot said, other ppl are townier

Idk I think axe's last minute vote on Jay is an awkward bus regardless of anne's alignment, but it's possible she has a stronger role

@nutella - can you expand on the bolded please? there was a completely immovable and stubborn wagon on anne that remained static in spite of how chaotic the EOD1 got, and this gave me the impression that anne was the designated d1 mischop. i dont think this read holds up to logical scrutiny and i actually think it's entirely possible anne is mafia, but im curious why you think that the wagon movement points to her being a wolf when i think on a surface level, it looks like the opposite

i had that thought overnight but it also depends on wilgy i think. but then marmot posted about how pure the wagon was and im not sure we can draw a form conclusion either way

[iaafr]

Lime ngl I don't blame you for thinking my d1 was weak, I'm playing more low key than usual due to rl stuff, and on that note I will be flying home tomorrow and will be quite sparse

Still it should be clear that I'm uninformed and jumping between reads organically

if you guys really think that's how i would approach a teammate jay when everyone else called out that he was off, im actually kinda insulted

whats up with this though

idk read nutellas iso and control f jay in the middle pages

to me it reads like somebody thinking everybody finding jay off was within the tolerance for his recent towngame meta and overcorrecting

like she said

as opposed to a scum partner trying to powerwolf jay out of contention

[leetic]

Maybe this is the game Jimmay and Sloonmeister finally landed mafia together. We can only hope.

What do you guys think about this post from Dyslexicon? It kind of came out of nowhere, especially considering they hadn't voiced suspicion of either slot up to that point, and the posts leading up to it don't elucidate it any further

smells unaligned 2 me

It kind of reeks of trying too hard, since the post came from nowhere and did not flow naturally from their or anyone else's progression. It just feels like TMI.

List of people from least suspicious to most suspicious:

ilario - Mod-confirmed town to me
Marmot - Strong claim, doubt mafia would take responsibility for settling ties rather than keeping it hidden
cassandra - Good progression, good-looking EoD
Lime Coke - Same reasons as cassandra
falcon45ca - Is only scum if Mac is also, and probably not even then
anne - Not sure why people are still suspecting her, only way she's scum is if Wilgy and Axehole are also scum otherwise Jay would have no reason to bus
MacDougall - Good-looking interactions with Jay, Mac's a good enough player that he can fake them though. Still, I think the claim is more likely town than not.
iaafr - A bit all over the place at EoD, I have mixed feelings about him jumping off Jay's wagon, but there's still a lot of reasons to townread him
staypositivefriend - Probably my least confident of my town reads, she's towny but nothing that's lock town and is a little hedgy for my liking
NotAnAxehole - Jay seemed unconcerned with the possibility of him dying and 640 seems too obvious for a w/w interaction. Still, I'm not a fan of how he voted JJJ at last minute while previously saying he wouldn't vote Jay.
DrWilgy - Like Axehole, Jay seemed unconcerned with the possibility of him dying, and I can kind of see why MR would be a good shot from a town perspective. Still, there's nothing in his ISO that's particularly towny.
Sloonei/whoever his replacement is - Largely here due to PoE and a couple of Jay interactions that look not the best,
Dyslexicon - Many posts that look scummy in hindsight, 1035 is a noticeable example, bad Jay interactions
nutella - Showed same hedginess of Jay, scummy defense of Jay, last post before EoD was particularly scummy, seriously I would be shocked if this doesn't flip wolf.

wall post wolf

Yeah, you're gonna have to try harder than that. My post restriction's twice as strict as yours, y'know

You made a couple posts claiming a red check but you had literal no conviction in it, and then you left for a bit to return with a random wall post, just feels mostly fake to me right now, and like giving thoughts rather to look productive rather than having them

Yeah, it was a gambit, and I was playing Smash with a friend so I couldn't post right away. I've been collecting my thoughts in BTSC for the better part of the last 48 hours. Why are you judging my post by these technicalities rather than what's actually in them?

Also, can someone who suspects anne tell me why they think JJJ would bus her? Also, what do you make of JJJ's hedginess the last time he was in thread, do you think he would have acted the same way if he thought that there was a considerable risk that one of his teammates would have gone down?

jay's stance on anne was quite weak/shrug, can easily see it as a nonchalant bus as her wagon took off, might need to reread it though

Why would Jay bus anne when he could have easily taken Wilgy or Axehole down? He had a GTH town on those two for some reason

And even if his stance on anne was noncommittal, it was still the closest thing to a suspect he posted in like the entire thread

I HARD CLAIM PROTECTIVE

I would just like to ask why you felt the need to do this

Why are illario and leetic in the poll together?

you had like a zillion hours to read the thread during night phase im not babying you

Uh.... Did she sub in over night, or right as the day turned?

it was posted several hours earlier

They would have had 5 hours at most to read the thread after it was announced though. That post is still weird.

[nutella]

Lime ngl I don't blame you for thinking my d1 was weak, I'm playing more low key than usual due to rl stuff, and on that note I will be flying home tomorrow and will be quite sparse

Still it should be clear that I'm uninformed and jumping between reads organically

if you guys really think that's how i would approach a teammate jay when everyone else called out that he was off, im actually kinda insulted

whats up with this though

idk read nutellas iso and control f jay in the middle pages

to me it reads like somebody thinking everybody finding jay off was within the tolerance for his recent towngame meta and overcorrecting

like she said

as opposed to a scum partner trying to powerwolf jay out of contention

this exactly yes

i could explain my history with reading jay if i have time but this is the gist

[iaafr]

my own nutella townread is a giant bait on myself though because i dont get the vibe im capable of convincing people and i get the vibe nutella might be able to play herself out if town etc

[staypositivefriend]

@ilario voting the deciding vote against mafia is a bad play tbh. I have no reason to move from Anne to JJJ if I'm on his team.

Bc Anne is also maf obv

Why? Literally explain why.

Wagons, movement and composition like marmot said, other ppl are townier

Idk I think axe's last minute vote on Jay is an awkward bus regardless of anne's alignment, but it's possible she has a stronger role

@nutella - can you expand on the bolded please? there was a completely immovable and stubborn wagon on anne that remained static in spite of how chaotic the EOD1 got, and this gave me the impression that anne was the designated d1 mischop. i dont think this read holds up to logical scrutiny and i actually think it's entirely possible anne is mafia, but im curious why you think that the wagon movement points to her being a wolf when i think on a surface level, it looks like the opposite

i had that thought overnight but it also depends on wilgy i think. but then marmot posted about how pure the wagon was and im not sure we can draw a form conclusion either way

at the risk of sounding hedgy, that's where i'm landing as well. t's worth noting that jagged didn't really do anything to concentrate suspicion toward anne at any point throughout d1 - his choice to join the anne wagon was entirely reactive and entirely based on the rest of the thread making her a viable option.

in a world where anne/wilgy are both wolves, jagged would be inbetween a rock and a hard place and would be incentivized to bus his partner that did not have a free vig shot. in a world where anne/wilgy are W/T, i could see jagged deciding to bus anne and hoping that he would get enough towncred from her flip to re-establish his position in the thread. in a world where anne/wilgy are T/W, jagged would also be incentivized to vote for anne and protect his partner with a vig shot. in a world where anne/wilgy are T/T, i could see jagged perceiving wilgy as more likely to go over, and trying to look more "pure" by staying on the wagon that didnt flip

what im saying is that jagged's vote on anne would make strategic sense from his point of view regardless of anne's alignment, so i don't think jagged's vote on anne is alignment indicative for her in either direction. so, if we put that off the table, why is anne mafia? why do you scumread her?

[leetic]

Lime ngl I don't blame you for thinking my d1 was weak, I'm playing more low key than usual due to rl stuff, and on that note I will be flying home tomorrow and will be quite sparse

Still it should be clear that I'm uninformed and jumping between reads organically

if you guys really think that's how i would approach a teammate jay when everyone else called out that he was off, im actually kinda insulted

whats up with this though

idk read nutellas iso and control f jay in the middle pages

to me it reads like somebody thinking everybody finding jay off was within the tolerance for his recent towngame meta and overcorrecting

like she said

as opposed to a scum partner trying to powerwolf jay out of contention

this exactly yes

i could explain my history with reading jay if i have time but this is the gist

But the thing is both you and Jay felt off the same way by being much hedgier than your normal selves. Why were you like that at EoD? And more importantly,

This is fine actually lmao

Why is this the only thing you had to say at EoD, without even changing your vote?

[cassandra]

leetic, aren't you in a chat w/illario? ask him

[nutella]

if jay had stated trs on wilgy and naa then ofc he'd want to appear consistent with that so

he also wasnt here at eod anyway and his vote timing is important, maybe he didn't expect anne to be super at risk of going over

[staypositivefriend]

esooa's posts seem unusually stiff

[cassandra]

spf, do u think im sus or no

[nutella]

idk i dont wanna bend over backwards to confbias anne scum, spf had a decent point (though i think they could be w/w lmao)

[iaafr]

yea im concerned about esooa more than i am about nutella aorn but meh giving time

[staypositivefriend]

idk i dont wanna bend over backwards to confbias anne scum, spf had a decent point (though i think they could be w/w lmao)

why am i even at the bottom of ur readslist?

[cassandra]

no spf is my top townread so i need to know if im going crazy to think its weird random people like nutella think im scum

[leetic]

if jay had stated trs on wilgy and naa then ofc he'd want to appear consistent with that so

he also wasnt here at eod anyway and his vote timing is important, maybe he didn't expect anne to be super at risk of going over

He actually was pushing Axehole early on but gave up for some reason

Nobody would've blamed him if he went after Axehole or Wilgy since they were both widely scumread, the fact that he didn't tells me that he really didn't care about the possibility of anne dying

[staypositivefriend]

spf, do u think im sus or no

no, i think you're town. the way that your suspicion on jagged developed throughout d1 felt incredibly organic to me and like something that you didn't "plan" ahead of time. i also generally think that it's true that you were a major factor in jagged going over on d1, and if you were planning to bus him on d1 and get towncred, i suspect your approach would have been more strategic/less sloppy

[nutella]

@spf bc she dropped off weirdly d1 after expressing discomfort performatively, and did some stuff early that alexa said are wolftells for her

[iaafr]

obligatory i hate everybodys association reads but my own (and i hate my own too) post

[Marmot]

no spf is my top townread so i need to know if im going crazy to think its weird random people like nutella think im scum

That's just how spf would say it too

I think nutella's sudden random scumread of you is weird af, and I don't buy it.