Team Fortress Mafia [END]

[LinearPoint]

I know Sabie’s vote on marmot was the 4th or 5th one.
I called her out for that vote mostly since it looked like a lord excuse tog eat on the wagon and tied it up with Gav.

[Guillotine]

NAA dies either way and shouldn't be end gaming.

Didn’t everyone assure us that NAA was a wolf that one time? Or was that Dolby meta?

I remember people assuring me in a previous game that a NAA slot was a wolf when I knew it absolutely wasn’t because I was a wolf.

If i was a wolf i would love to keep NAA in the game.

Meaning?

What you mean meaning? If NAA is town i would keep NAA around to do the dirty work for me. Didnt you see what he did yesterday?

[LinearPoint]

And I’m still honestly having a hard time telling of Gav is so blantantly trying to defend his ally or just the most polished of white knights. Because honestly even Sabie and Gav’s D1 interaction seems to be a balky hearted attempt to distance and ultimately slightly pocketing each other.

[Guillotine]

NAA dies either way and shouldn't be end gaming.

Didn’t everyone assure us that NAA was a wolf that one time? Or was that Dolby meta?

I remember people assuring me in a previous game that a NAA slot was a wolf when I knew it absolutely wasn’t because I was a wolf.

If i was a wolf i would love to keep NAA in the game.

Meaning?

What you mean meaning? If NAA is town i would keep NAA around to do the dirty work for me. Didnt you see what he did yesterday?

In the context of if i was scum.

NAA is someone scum would want for f3 for an easy win because town cant have him reaching F3 regardless of alignment

[Jackofhearts2005]

I feel like Sabie wolf spews Marmot town but what do I know?

[Guillotine]

I, too, have been fooled a few times by mafia jack. I feel like I can never read him. I'm not sure I've ever seen mafia falcon or just don't remember so not sure if there is a difference, but I didn't see anything outright scummy with him so far. Gavial I think is also a bit harder to read. I saw that people kind of jumped on voting him pretty quick into the day.

Pls more prescriptive less descriptive statements

Sure I can elaborate. I don't think we can judge Jack's alignment yet as he hasn't been here even if he has been tricky in the past. I was unsure as to why everyone jumped so quickly on the gav train so early on. I guess that stems from me taking a little longer to process things in the beginning of games before figuring things out. From my experience, I feel like there are sometimes players who often get scumread early on whether they are town or scum. I've seen this happen to sig and to gavial for example and it seems to have happened here.

Why is Jack not judgeable but Marmot is if both player's presence have been lacking in this game?

Another dishonest sounding attack on Sabie.

"Why is it that you differentiate your ability to read players who have posted from players that haven't posted. I mean, both are lacking."

It's not like Guillo is even unaware that I hadn't posted yet when Sabie said that because she literally says I hadn't posted yet when she said that in the post that Guillo quotes, here.

Lol. I’ll tell you this, if Sabie is town you are scum this would look like you knew Sabie’s alignment.
Sabie has acted scummy and has now vanished from the thread to prevent spew, if they somehow flip town, you knew about it here.

[Guillotine]

I'm honestly still partial to just taking the guaranteed Mafia lynch though.
Especially with the odds of there being 3 kills tonight. Majority could very easily slip.

it's 12v4 rn

I think worst case scenario with spies both being mafia and snipers and both snipers being mafia (TSP lying) we drop to 7v4?

then we yeet tsp and sabie and carry out our day and go to like 5v2

I don't get it, why wouldn't we just kill Sabie today? Also, I think TSP is full of shit.

1. I'd rather have actual wagons today
2. If TSP is full of shit he gets outted or forced into a claim battle with someone else (marmot) who is townier than him

so we either get a yeet that means something or two mafia for the price of one, to be collected at a later date (D3)

Dude! A wolf kill is better than wagons.

yeah but we can get both

How if you intent to leave Sabie for the night?
Or did i get it wrong?

[Jackofhearts2005]

NAA dies either way and shouldn't be end gaming.

Didn’t everyone assure us that NAA was a wolf that one time? Or was that Dolby meta?

I remember people assuring me in a previous game that a NAA slot was a wolf when I knew it absolutely wasn’t because I was a wolf.

If i was a wolf i would love to keep NAA in the game.

Meaning?

What you mean meaning? If NAA is town i would keep NAA around to do the dirty work for me. Didnt you see what he did yesterday?

Not particularly.

But I get what you're saying.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I, too, have been fooled a few times by mafia jack. I feel like I can never read him. I'm not sure I've ever seen mafia falcon or just don't remember so not sure if there is a difference, but I didn't see anything outright scummy with him so far. Gavial I think is also a bit harder to read. I saw that people kind of jumped on voting him pretty quick into the day.

Pls more prescriptive less descriptive statements

Sure I can elaborate. I don't think we can judge Jack's alignment yet as he hasn't been here even if he has been tricky in the past. I was unsure as to why everyone jumped so quickly on the gav train so early on. I guess that stems from me taking a little longer to process things in the beginning of games before figuring things out. From my experience, I feel like there are sometimes players who often get scumread early on whether they are town or scum. I've seen this happen to sig and to gavial for example and it seems to have happened here.

Why is Jack not judgeable but Marmot is if both player's presence have been lacking in this game?

Another dishonest sounding attack on Sabie.

"Why is it that you differentiate your ability to read players who have posted from players that haven't posted. I mean, both are lacking."

It's not like Guillo is even unaware that I hadn't posted yet when Sabie said that because she literally says I hadn't posted yet when she said that in the post that Guillo quotes, here.

Lol. I’ll tell you this, if Sabie is town you are scum this would look like you knew Sabie’s alignment.
Sabie has acted scummy and has now vanished from the thread to prevent spew, if they somehow flip town, you knew about it here.

Sure.

Cause only wolves can know someone is town if they don't know there's a red peek.

But given there is a red peek, I'm not too worried about it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

*think lol

[Gavial]

TBH if we yeet a not Sabie I'd go with NAA.

Disagreed. We honor Dyslexicon legacy read and kill off Sig instead.

Eh.
Sig isn’t that great of a choice as I feel they have a good amount of town equity.

Plus was it even Dizzy that made that read? Are you absolutely sure you aren’t mixing Dizzy up with Sean?

[Gavial]

Hmm I guess Marmot's disinterest is odd and could be mafia? If he were then he hasn't provided much interaction with anyone so he wouldn't be worried about giving away teammates if he gets voted off. I can never get a good read on Jack. If Jack is mafia he's better to get out earlier rather than later. Does gavial have a different playstyle when town or mafia? He always seems kinda all over the place.
Throwing a vote on marmot for now. Hoping to be able to come back later before EOD.
[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

I don't like this.
You're last post with Marmot was basically saying you felt the same about the game as they did.

Spoiler: show

I keep forgetting I'm in a mafia game and am feeling lazy this game.

That happens to me when I haven't played in awhile. Any thoughts so far?

But now you are using it as a reason to vote them?
It just feels like this is coming from someone looking for an excuse to get on the wagon than a legitimate read.

Well I thought maybe he was going to come in and start participating now that he remembered he was playing. Then he just kinda said he didn't care and didn't provide anything else so I found that odd.

That's fair, any thoughts on Gav so far? I see you posted about Jack, but not Gav, so more just curious if you had more of a reason for Marmot over Gav.

I'm not sure about gav I feel like his theories don't make sense and could be deflection of attention from himself. I feel like he is so all over the place it's hard to pinpoint. I could see him as mafia this game. My initial hesitation was because I thought people jumped on his wagon pretty quick early on in the day. I was hoping maybe a vote on marmot would get him to post more but that maybe that was being too hopeful.

I feel like this reads town for Sabie.

So like meta and wagonomics says Sabie is town before I even look at her iso.

So I looked at her iso.

24 posts. Yet she's a runaway wagon.

Hmm I guess Marmot's disinterest is odd and could be mafia? If he were then he hasn't provided much interaction with anyone so he wouldn't be worried about giving away teammates if he gets voted off. I can never get a good read on Jack. If Jack is mafia he's better to get out earlier rather than later. Does gavial have a different playstyle when town or mafia? He always seems kinda all over the place.
Throwing a vote on marmot for now. Hoping to be able to come back later before EOD.
[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

I don't like this.
You're last post with Marmot was basically saying you felt the same about the game as they did.

Spoiler: show

@Marmot

Why are you way more low presence compared to Philo 2?

I keep forgetting I'm in a mafia game and am feeling lazy this game.

That happens to me when I haven't played in awhile. Any thoughts so far?

But now you are using it as a reason to vote them?
It just feels like this is coming from someone looking for an excuse to get on the wagon than a legitimate read.

I find this post more sus than anything Sabie has said up until this point. Like, this attack reads dishonest. Granted, LP walks it back like immediately but it's a bad look. Agreeing with "I sometimes forget I'm in a mafia game" is not like the same thing as a mindmeld. There's not like a contradiction in the things Sabie is saying, here.

The only thing even #weird I could find in Sabie's iso prior to this post is that she mentions me a lot. Idk if other people were talking about me at the time but it's kinda #weird.

NAA dies either way and shouldn't be end gaming.

Didn’t everyone assure us that NAA was a wolf that one time? Or was that Dolby meta?

I remember people assuring me in a previous game that a NAA slot was a wolf when I knew it absolutely wasn’t because I was a wolf.

If i was a wolf i would love to keep NAA in the game.

Meaning?

@LinearPoint
Idk about you, but if anyone is hard defending Sabie it’s this guy.
Not me.

[Gavial]

Now rather Jack is protecting a scum buddy or TMI’ing Sabie Town is beyond me.

[Gavial]

I think Sabie flip just solves allot tbh.
I kinda already have allot more worlds broken once Sabie flips.

[Gavial]

Different worlds break for both Sabie flipping town and mafia.

[Gavial]

I feel like Sabie wolf spews Marmot town but what do I know?

[Gavial]

I’m starting to believe Falcon is the wolf and not Guillo.
Damn I didn’t like Guillo’s day 1 though.

[Guillotine]

TBH if we yeet a not Sabie I'd go with NAA.

Disagreed. We honor Dyslexicon legacy read and kill off Sig instead.

Eh.
Sig isn’t that great of a choice as I feel they have a good amount of town equity.

Plus was it even Dizzy that made that read? Are you absolutely sure you aren’t mixing Dizzy up with Sean?

Im pretty certain Dyslexicon and I had the same read on Sabie and Sig

[LinearPoint]

I feel like Sabie wolf spews Marmot town but what do I know?

Well yes their vote on Marmot wasn't great and Marmot got a red check on her.
So I don't think this is ever really Marmot just bussing Sabie.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Now rather Jack is protecting a scum buddy or TMI’ing Sabie Town is beyond me.

So you don't know what I'm doing but you're sure I'm a wolf doing it. K.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I think Sabie flip just solves allot tbh.
I kinda already have allot more worlds broken once Sabie flips.

I mean....how. Since you just said I'm scum either way. Who else's alignment depends upon Sabie's?

[LinearPoint]

These posts are odd since Jack sheeped onto Sabbie D1, but then D2 to say that Sabie's wagon was bad.
They gave no real reason for their vote on Sabie, then starting D2 they say Sabie is null to Sabie is Town in not really that long of a period of time.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Sabbie] aubergine without a particularly good reason to do so besides perfecting that to cws

I mean legitimately no one town read Dizzy from what I saw.
To be honest I don't really suspect you Jack, more Sig since they seem a bit suspicious and Sabie because that was a very convenient CFD onto a random person I think only really Dolby had been suspecting.

I don’t have a Sabie read. I’ve read like one of her posts.

I don’t think many wolf teams here try to cfd to save Sabie. Maybe they jump on one but I don’t think they start it.

No offense, Sabie.

So like meta and wagonomics says Sabie is town before I even look at her iso.

So I looked at her iso.

24 posts. Yet she's a runaway wagon.

Hmm I guess Marmot's disinterest is odd and could be mafia? If he were then he hasn't provided much interaction with anyone so he wouldn't be worried about giving away teammates if he gets voted off. I can never get a good read on Jack. If Jack is mafia he's better to get out earlier rather than later. Does gavial have a different playstyle when town or mafia? He always seems kinda all over the place.
Throwing a vote on marmot for now. Hoping to be able to come back later before EOD.
[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

I don't like this.
You're last post with Marmot was basically saying you felt the same about the game as they did.

Spoiler: show

@Marmot

Why are you way more low presence compared to Philo 2?

I keep forgetting I'm in a mafia game and am feeling lazy this game.

That happens to me when I haven't played in awhile. Any thoughts so far?

But now you are using it as a reason to vote them?
It just feels like this is coming from someone looking for an excuse to get on the wagon than a legitimate read.

I find this post more sus than anything Sabie has said up until this point. Like, this attack reads dishonest. Granted, LP walks it back like immediately but it's a bad look. Agreeing with "I sometimes forget I'm in a mafia game" is not like the same thing as a mindmeld. There's not like a contradiction in the things Sabie is saying, here.

The only thing even #weird I could find in Sabie's iso prior to this post is that she mentions me a lot. Idk if other people were talking about me at the time but it's kinda #weird.

I think Gullio is probably correct in saying if Sabie does somehow flip Town, Jack is probably Mafia who knew about it.
I don't really see Mafia Jack acting this way otherwise since there really isn't a good reason to go from bussing to defending an already outed ally like this.
I think though with at least 80% confidence that Jack is probably Town. I don't see this behavior coming from Mafia Jack, I've played 2 games with Mafia Jack and I don't think in either game he tried to save an outed ally quite like this.
Am I wrong? I don't think Mafia Jack sheeps for no reason onto an ally and does this kind of 180.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I feel like Sabie wolf spews Marmot town but what do I know?

Well yes their vote on Marmot wasn't great and Marmot got a red check on her.
So I don't think this is ever really Marmot just bussing Sabie.

Oh yeah I forgot it was Marmot's check. Yeah, Marmot is always just town if Sabie is a wolf. Probably just town anyway.

[Jackofhearts2005]

These posts are odd since Jack sheeped onto Sabbie D1, but then D2 to say that Sabie's wagon was bad.
They gave no real reason for their vote on Sabie, then starting D2 they say Sabie is null to Sabie is Town in not really that long of a period of time.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Sabbie] aubergine without a particularly good reason to do so besides perfecting that to cws

I mean legitimately no one town read Dizzy from what I saw.
To be honest I don't really suspect you Jack, more Sig since they seem a bit suspicious and Sabie because that was a very convenient CFD onto a random person I think only really Dolby had been suspecting.

I don’t have a Sabie read. I’ve read like one of her posts.

I don’t think many wolf teams here try to cfd to save Sabie. Maybe they jump on one but I don’t think they start it.

No offense, Sabie.

So like meta and wagonomics says Sabie is town before I even look at her iso.

So I looked at her iso.

24 posts. Yet she's a runaway wagon.

Hmm I guess Marmot's disinterest is odd and could be mafia? If he were then he hasn't provided much interaction with anyone so he wouldn't be worried about giving away teammates if he gets voted off. I can never get a good read on Jack. If Jack is mafia he's better to get out earlier rather than later. Does gavial have a different playstyle when town or mafia? He always seems kinda all over the place.
Throwing a vote on marmot for now. Hoping to be able to come back later before EOD.
[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

I don't like this.
You're last post with Marmot was basically saying you felt the same about the game as they did.

Spoiler: show

@Marmot

Why are you way more low presence compared to Philo 2?

I keep forgetting I'm in a mafia game and am feeling lazy this game.

That happens to me when I haven't played in awhile. Any thoughts so far?

But now you are using it as a reason to vote them?
It just feels like this is coming from someone looking for an excuse to get on the wagon than a legitimate read.

I find this post more sus than anything Sabie has said up until this point. Like, this attack reads dishonest. Granted, LP walks it back like immediately but it's a bad look. Agreeing with "I sometimes forget I'm in a mafia game" is not like the same thing as a mindmeld. There's not like a contradiction in the things Sabie is saying, here.

The only thing even #weird I could find in Sabie's iso prior to this post is that she mentions me a lot. Idk if other people were talking about me at the time but it's kinda #weird.

I think Gullio is probably correct in saying if Sabie does somehow flip Town, Jack is probably Mafia who knew about it.
I don't really see Mafia Jack acting this way otherwise since there really isn't a good reason to go from bussing to defending an already outed ally like this.
I think though with at least 80% confidence that Jack is probably Town. I don't see this behavior coming from Mafia Jack, I've played 2 games with Mafia Jack and I don't think in either game he tried to save an outed ally quite like this.
Am I wrong? I don't think Mafia Jack sheeps for no reason onto an ally and does this kind of 180.

Sure.

Ftr, I voted Sabie yesterday because the next top wagon was Gav and the next top wagon was me. I have a townlean on Gav and a very strong townread on myself.

[LinearPoint]

Oh right, I honestly forgot you even had a wagon with how it vanished in the last hour.

[NotAnAxehole]

Does Guillo have a crush on me? Every other post of his seems to be about me and my ability to live in mafia games.

[NotAnAxehole]

Also, the disrespect that's being given to Seanzie is crazy, we should sheep Dizzy on an activity-based read, but we shouldn't sheep Seanzie on an actual scum read.

[NotAnAxehole]

I noticed you're reading Seanzie, I've got u.

[Guillotine]

Whoever sheeped NotAnAxehole to chop Seanzie needs to get chopped.

NAA had no thread presence whatsoever, he was just voting and it only took him proposing Seanzie as a wagon to get traction.
So if it was up to me I’d start killing people who voted right after NAA called out for a Seanzie chop until we find a wolf (besides Sabie).
If it turns out it was pure, we dont deserve to win if we are gonna play like that.

[Guillotine]

The more i read that EoD the more disappointed and mad i get.

[falcon45ca]

The more i read that EoD the more disappointed and mad i get.

What makes you the most upset about it?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Not enough jokes tbh

[falcon45ca]

Whoever sheeped NotAnAxehole to chop Seanzie needs to get chopped.

NAA had no thread presence whatsoever, he was just voting and it only took him proposing Seanzie as a wagon to get traction.
So if it was up to me I’d start killing people who voted right after NAA called out for a Seanzie chop until we find a wolf (besides Sabie).
If it turns out it was pure, we dont deserve to win if we are gonna play like that.

Surely they can't all be scum.



Let's try and sort the opportunistic wolves from the foolish town

[falcon45ca]

Not enough jokes tbh

Then be more funny Jack.



Be the change you want to see in the world

[TonyStarkPrime]

vote order is conserved in the poll

Vote order is not conserved in the poll

[TonyStarkPrime]

I mean sometimes it is but it’s a disaster

[Gavial]

Not enough jokes tbh

Then be more funny Jack.



Be the change you want to see in the world

Might be scum theatre here.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Bitch if Nanook and Guillo are both Wolves you still gonna call me wolf?
@TonyStarkPrime

I didn’t call you a wolf

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’d also say no more than one of Nanook/NAA but also probably at least one(?) like that’s a weird dynamic

I believe that I voted Sabie first of the three but NAA might have been hammering away on vote Sabie in thread already, I wasn’t really paying attention

“(Marmot//Nanook/Lime Coke) Contain at least 1 Wolf
(NAA/Nanook//Sabie probably contain a wolf.“

*Cough* *Cough*

Did you say that

[TonyStarkPrime]

To be fully transparent, sabie visited Dizzy last night, and I saw no one else there.

I suppose this could also be a Buss unless someone already has proof on Marmot’s action.

If Sabie is town, Marmot definitely made a strange wolf play as it’s more beneficial as wolf to Buss in his position.

Although he’s way more likely town via Sabie being wolf but he isn’t confirmed.

Fuck. Gavial is town isn't he?

I don't see a wolf risking themselves to shade someone with a pseudo-redcheck on Sabie. This level of paranoia is townie.

I
Have you played with gav

[TonyStarkPrime]

Another option is to have both Demoman use their eyelanders today so they can't Roleblock, but then Sabie could act.
This might be preferred if we end up just offing Sabie today and not trying to confirm TSP.

Why not just kill off Sabie today? Why are we considering leaving Sabie for later?

We’re pretending we’re not going to kill Sabie so the days not a wash

[TonyStarkPrime]

So like meta and wagonomics says Sabie is town before I even look at her iso.

So I looked at her iso.

24 posts. Yet she's a runaway wagon.

Hmm I guess Marmot's disinterest is odd and could be mafia? If he were then he hasn't provided much interaction with anyone so he wouldn't be worried about giving away teammates if he gets voted off. I can never get a good read on Jack. If Jack is mafia he's better to get out earlier rather than later. Does gavial have a different playstyle when town or mafia? He always seems kinda all over the place.
Throwing a vote on marmot for now. Hoping to be able to come back later before EOD.
[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

I don't like this.
You're last post with Marmot was basically saying you felt the same about the game as they did.

Spoiler: show

@Marmot

Why are you way more low presence compared to Philo 2?

I keep forgetting I'm in a mafia game and am feeling lazy this game.

That happens to me when I haven't played in awhile. Any thoughts so far?

But now you are using it as a reason to vote them?
It just feels like this is coming from someone looking for an excuse to get on the wagon than a legitimate read.

I find this post more sus than anything Sabie has said up until this point. Like, this attack reads dishonest. Granted, LP walks it back like immediately but it's a bad look. Agreeing with "I sometimes forget I'm in a mafia game" is not like the same thing as a mindmeld. There's not like a contradiction in the things Sabie is saying, here.

The only thing even #weird I could find in Sabie's iso prior to this post is that she mentions me a lot. Idk if other people were talking about me at the time but it's kinda #weird.

Love you Jack

[falcon45ca]

Nook switched onto Seanzie at some point and I can't find a reason why. Does anyone know?

[falcon45ca]

Dolby's switch onto Sean...feels like it could be a wolf move, get on an ML CW early enough that it's not overly questioned, but perhaps that's too much tinfoil

[TonyStarkPrime]

Nook switched onto Seanzie at some point and I can't find a reason why. Does anyone know?

Ask him i guess

[falcon45ca]

Nook switched onto Seanzie at some point and I can't find a reason why. Does anyone know?

Ask him i guess

Don't get fresh with me young man

[falcon45ca]

Not enough jokes tbh

Then be more funny Jack.



Be the change you want to see in the world

Might be scum theatre here.

I don't do theatre, I do reality

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Nook] aubergine

[sig]

Not caught up just got back from driving all day, an 8 hour drive turned into 11 so blah.

Did do some reading last night and didn't post, really was in the middle of the whole how each role should act thing when I stopped and honestly it's confusing and seems like alot of things could go wrong.

If everyone else is on board and thinks it'll work I've got no problem doing it, but that does seem like a big if.

[sig]

Does Guillo have a crush on me? Every other post of his seems to be about me and my ability to live in mafia games.

Nope pretty sure the crush is on me tyvm.