[TOWN WIN] Lost in Space Mafia

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Whatchu expectin here partner?

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Whatchu expectin here partner?

I'm expecting you to break under the overwhelming pressure of my one naked vote and forfeit immediately, outing your mafia partner in the process.

[DrWilgy]

@NotAnAxehole can you come say why you're voting Fext?

I was voting Mac before Fext posted if that helps.

can confirm

was wondering if you'd say this

would have found it really towny if you did not but I don't necessarily think it's not towny to have said it (since it is, in fact, what happened)

Now tell me partner, what would've you thought had our ol'pal NAA didn't say nothin?

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Whatchu expectin here partner?

I'm expecting you to break under the overwhelming pressure of my one naked vote and forfeit immediately, outing your mafia partner in the process.

Well, I reckon you got me. My partner in crime is none other than the sheriff MacDougall. I hang my head low.

[Fext]

@NotAnAxehole can you come say why you're voting Fext?

I was voting Mac before Fext posted if that helps.

can confirm

was wondering if you'd say this

would have found it really towny if you did not but I don't necessarily think it's not towny to have said it (since it is, in fact, what happened)

Now tell me partner, what would've you thought had our ol'pal NAA didn't say nothin?

well it wasn't that he wouldn't say anything

it was a matter of what he chose to say

ceding to a defense of fact is easy for anybody to do

had he instead gone on the offense and explained only why he voted me with no mention of his prior vote I would have to believe that kind of motivation to push at the expense of a perfectly valid factual defense would come from town

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Whatchu expectin here partner?

I'm expecting you to break under the overwhelming pressure of my one naked vote and forfeit immediately, outing your mafia partner in the process.

Well, I reckon you got me. My partner in crime is none other than the sheriff MacDougall. I hang my head low.

Noice! Quickest win ever!

[Fext]

are there like

vote tags

or are y'all just coloring your text or what

[Seanzie]

are there like

vote tags

or are y'all just coloring your text or what

If you go into the full editor, there is a blue vote button that does vote tags. The BB code is (vote)FlyingSpaghettiMonster(/vote), but with square brackets rather than parantheses.

[MacDougall]

y'know when I joined a game where nobody had said anything in the signups thread since December and it had been open almost a month I really thought I'd have at least a week or two

yeah sorry that's on me lol

[MacDougall]

NAA hasn't posted yet, but is voting Fext. I don't know what to do with this information, but I figured it should be noted for posterity.

i call it townie and move on with my life

[MacDougall]

Last time I saw this wily rascal enter with one of them YouTube vidyas he was in fact an evil ravioli.

yes i say we fustigate him

[MacDougall]

are there like

vote tags

or are y'all just coloring your text or what

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

They exist but they do very little except add the word aubergine to the vote post lol.

[MacDougall]

DrWilgy posting like a cowboy is quite towny

[Fext]

I don't like it so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Fext]

also wtf is up with the "aubergine" after every vote

[Creature]

Just realized I procrastinated all day

[Seanzie]

also wtf is up with the "aubergine" after every vote

I've never actually figure out what the purpose of this is, but I use it sometimes to ctrl+f votes easier.

[Creature]

Damn, my catching up on college this holiday isn't going well

[Creature]

also wtf is up with the "aubergine" after every vote

I've never actually figure out what the purpose of this is, but I use it sometimes to ctrl+f votes easier.

Would be a shame if someone inserted aubergine at the end of every post

[Lime Coke]

Mac probably town.

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

[Lime Coke]

also wtf is up with the "aubergine" after every vote

I've never actually figure out what the purpose of this is, but I use it sometimes to ctrl+f votes easier.

I think that's literally the exact reason.

[DrWilgy]

Just realized I procrastinated all day

Also still ingnorin my questions partner. I reckon I hit the nail on the head with this one folks. Round'em up.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

[Seanzie]

Mac probably town.

You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?

[Creature]

Just realized I procrastinated all day

Also still ingnorin my questions partner. I reckon I hit the nail on the head with this one folks. Round'em up.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Your questions are garbage.

[Lime Coke]

Mac probably town.

You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?

Now that you ask this question, 100% yes.

[Seanzie]

Mac probably town.

You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?

Now that you ask this question, 100% yes.

[VOTE: LC] aubergine

[Lime Coke]

You can't question my confidence and expect me to say "no." What kind of player would I be?

[DrWilgy]

Just realized I procrastinated all day

Also still ingnorin my questions partner. I reckon I hit the nail on the head with this one folks. Round'em up.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Your questions are garbage.

Well now partner, don't need to get all fiesty. All I have from you is a lack of, how you say it, 'o-rigin-ality'? and a lack of anythin. My question should've been easy fer a feller like you.

Now I'll ask ye again, why you scum and who's y'partner?

[DrWilgy]

Mac probably town.

Now why would you go an say this? Di'n't I just say that good sheriff Dougall is my wolf teammate?

[Alison]

Seanzie is town.

Fext isn't.

[VOTE: Fext] aubergine

[Alison]

The cowboy gimmick is probably >rand town from Wilgy since he seems to be using it to actually bait people rather than just dicking around with it.

[Alison]

Mac probably town.

You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?

Now that you ask this question, 100% yes.

This might actually be the scummiest post in the thread.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

[Alison]

@NotAnAxehole can you come say why you're voting Fext?

I was voting Mac before Fext posted if that helps.

can confirm

was wondering if you'd say this

would have found it really towny if you did not but I don't necessarily think it's not towny to have said it (since it is, in fact, what happened)

Now tell me partner, what would've you thought had our ol'pal NAA didn't say nothin?

well it wasn't that he wouldn't say anything

it was a matter of what he chose to say

ceding to a defense of fact is easy for anybody to do

had he instead gone on the offense and explained only why he voted me with no mention of his prior vote I would have to believe that kind of motivation to push at the expense of a perfectly valid factual defense would come from town

This is incoherent bullshit. Scum players tend to at least try to justify their actions when pressed about them. If NAA naked votes you as scum he probably has an explanation in mind for it. It is absurd to say that giving this explanation without mentioning an earlier vote is somehow out of his scum range.

[NotAnAxehole]

Seanzie is town.

Fext isn't.

[VOTE: Fext] aubergine

Mac probably town.

You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?

Now that you ask this question, 100% yes.

This might actually be the scummiest post in the thread.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

I agree with Alison on all points.

[Lime Coke]

Instincts telling me Falcon and Creature are mafia but that feels too easy. Have to be misclearing someone.

[Alison]

Instincts telling me Falcon and Creature are mafia but that feels too easy. Have to be misclearing someone.

Why are you clearing Fext in the first place? What have they done that's townie?

What has NAA done that's townie?

Also how do you confidently read Mac in 5 posts?

[Lime Coke]

Instincts telling me Falcon and Creature are mafia but that feels too easy. Have to be misclearing someone.

Why are you clearing Fext in the first place? What have they done that's townie?

What has NAA done that's townie?

Also how do you confidently read Mac in 5 posts?

Fext I kinda believed the "I wanted mafia because everyone was talking about them being powerful" line.

NAA typical NAA bullshit.

Mac actually rethinking now, but saw a few reads and thought his FOS on me was something I would see him do seeing how I played in Molly, he wouldn't want to be fooled again.

Actual rethought is that he just pointed out single posts and outed a read which is something he'd do as scum so it's a possibility.

[Lime Coke]

When Sean specifically asked "How can you be so confident with Mac being town after 5 posts" and I took a "I'm going to prove you wrong for doubting my read and lock Mac town in response to make myself look good by correctly reading him after 5 posts" approach.

[Alison]

By typical NAA bullshit I assume you mean the naked voting. Why is NAA on his typical NAA bullshit as town and not scum? He intentionally 0 posted the entire D1 of BTAS as wolf, so he definitely does weird shit as mafia too.

Why is "pointing out a single post and outing a read based on it" a thing Mac does as scum when it's one of the most common behaviors by any player in any game?

You're pulling on a lot of meta arguments here but none of them make any sense which makes me think you are mafia trying to replicate your town game of using meta to read people. The "I can read Mac after 5 posts" stuff in particular felt particularly performative (which you have admitted it was in #89) and looked more like a shallow attempt at replicating your usual meta shields on people except without the substance to back it up. Not a fan of you walking it back when pressed about it either, when town LC is stubborn about his meta reads.

[Lime Coke]

By typical NAA bullshit I assume you mean the naked voting. Why is NAA on his typical NAA bullshit as town and not scum? He intentionally 0 posted the entire D1 of BTAS as wolf, so he definitely does weird shit as mafia too.

Why is "pointing out a single post and outing a read based on it" a thing Mac does as scum when it's one of the most common behaviors by any player in any game?

You're pulling on a lot of meta arguments here but none of them make any sense which makes me think you are mafia trying to replicate your town game of using meta to read people. The "I can read Mac after 5 posts" stuff in particular felt particularly performative (which you have admitted it was in #89) and looked more like a shallow attempt at replicating your usual meta shields on people except without the substance to back it up. Not a fan of you walking it back when pressed about it either, when town LC is stubborn about his meta reads.

I mean you're not wrong on those two being meta reads.

NAA did 0 post as mafia D1, but he also nearly 0 posted in Team Fortress Mafia...so that measurement is off the table.
His naked voting can go either way, I felt like him saying he was voting Mac first before naked voting Fext was on brand with something he'd just do as town as a sort of "I could care less about what everyone is thinking about what I'm doing" way at the time.

Mac as I said was towny stuff for him scumreading me early because of him not wanting me to fool him again in a small game, and could see him doing what he's doing to pressure me and see what I'm going to do in response.

However it popped into my mind when I read your post for some reason that when Alexa was under the Blaze account she did her giant meta-case on Mac and talked about one of the things he does as scum is quote a few random posts, slap a read on them, 1 post at a time, vote someone, and then disappear.

So that made me walk back my townread on Mac.


In terms of the stuff talking to Seanzie...that's again me deciding to become arrogant and double down on someone doubting my read ability, and since it's Mac I figured I can make reading him look easy.
Yes I know Mac had 2 insane scum games that he won just recently, he can still get lazy and decide to fuck around and open wolf, especially since fatigue from too many wolf rands can be a thing and it could lead to polarizing by circumstance.

Which I already stated I walked it back.

[Lime Coke]

@Alison


Continuing on...

I'm not stating that I'm scumreading Mac, I'm basically putting him back to null to see what he does the rest of the day phase.


I'm flat out just taking the approach that I'm going to post my reads in the game, speak my mind on my reads, and attempt to get 100% accuracy.

I get that I said this in my scum game about Esooa specifically talking about "I know how to read her" but that's still a true statement that I'm working towards 100% accuracy.
I've also stated this about SPF because I read her mafia game on MU, and figured that I can gain a God Read on her...and technically I caught SPF during Coffia on Day 1 and had a mega case stating why she was mafia...however ended up faltering because of 1. Her responses and anger felt like town!SPF and I felt awful about the push and 2. Literally the only 2 people that interacted with the scum case or even mentioned the thing were Alexa, who was mafia, and Illario, who didn't get influenced by it but I understood why given his past with SPF in games.

Besides now, I'm not going to try to bother with defending myself and I'm going to look to gain the correct reads for this game. If I get yeeted I'm just going to state my reads and go into dead chat looking for how accurate I was. Attempting to remove salt and just play the game.

[Fext]

@NotAnAxehole can you come say why you're voting Fext?

I was voting Mac before Fext posted if that helps.

can confirm

was wondering if you'd say this

would have found it really towny if you did not but I don't necessarily think it's not towny to have said it (since it is, in fact, what happened)

Now tell me partner, what would've you thought had our ol'pal NAA didn't say nothin?

well it wasn't that he wouldn't say anything

it was a matter of what he chose to say

ceding to a defense of fact is easy for anybody to do

had he instead gone on the offense and explained only why he voted me with no mention of his prior vote I would have to believe that kind of motivation to push at the expense of a perfectly valid factual defense would come from town

This is incoherent bullshit. Scum players tend to at least try to justify their actions when pressed about them. If NAA naked votes you as scum he probably has an explanation in mind for it. It is absurd to say that giving this explanation without mentioning an earlier vote is somehow out of his scum range.

It's a matter of how people think, really

If you're gathering early votes as mafia in a game with no PRs in particular I'm sure the very last thing you want is to avoid giving people a fact that may help to lower their suspicion of you. Ergo, I would have found NAA not doing that to have been quite towny.

Basically, it's not a matter of me thinking he'd not have an explanation for why he voted me, but instead just the fact that if he chose to essentially redirect pressure on himself into positive force elsewhere without including a semi-relevant fact in his defense that doesn't actually do anything to help determine anyone's alignment, it would be indicative to me of a focus on solving over self-defense at a time when that would conventionally be completely unnecessary to go out of your way to project.

Considering he did not, and so I have not made any definitive statements on his alignment, I'm confused what you're all up in arms about - even if you disagree with my logic there, I'm not using it to make any actual reads in this game at the moment lol

[falcon45ca]

Holy fuck I'm towntowntowntowntown



Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair

[falcon45ca]

why is that specifically not towny

Ghost voting is inherently anti-town, regardless of meta, IMO

[falcon45ca]

@NotAnAxehole can you come say why you're voting Fext?

I was voting Mac before Fext posted if that helps.

can confirm

was wondering if you'd say this

would have found it really towny if you did not but I don't necessarily think it's not towny to have said it (since it is, in fact, what happened)

Now tell me partner, what would've you thought had our ol'pal NAA didn't say nothin?

well it wasn't that he wouldn't say anything

it was a matter of what he chose to say

ceding to a defense of fact is easy for anybody to do

had he instead gone on the offense and explained only why he voted me with no mention of his prior vote I would have to believe that kind of motivation to push at the expense of a perfectly valid factual defense would come from town

This is incoherent bullshit. Scum players tend to at least try to justify their actions when pressed about them. If NAA naked votes you as scum he probably has an explanation in mind for it. It is absurd to say that giving this explanation without mentioning an earlier vote is somehow out of his scum range.

It's a matter of how people think, really

If you're gathering early votes as mafia in a game with no PRs in particular I'm sure the very last thing you want is to avoid giving people a fact that may help to lower their suspicion of you. Ergo, I would have found NAA not doing that to have been quite towny.

Basically, it's not a matter of me thinking he'd not have an explanation for why he voted me, but instead just the fact that if he chose to essentially redirect pressure on himself into positive force elsewhere without including a semi-relevant fact in his defense that doesn't actually do anything to help determine anyone's alignment, it would be indicative to me of a focus on solving over self-defense at a time when that would conventionally be completely unnecessary to go out of your way to project.

Considering he did not, and so I have not made any definitive statements on his alignment, I'm confused what you're all up in arms about - even if you disagree with my logic there, I'm not using it to make any actual reads in this game at the moment lol

[VOTE: Fekt] aubergine

[falcon45ca]

Damn, my catching up on college this holiday isn't going well

also wtf is up with the "aubergine" after every vote

I've never actually figure out what the purpose of this is, but I use it sometimes to ctrl+f votes easier.

Would be a shame if someone inserted aubergine at the end of every post

This has a higher than rand chance of being Maf

[falcon45ca]

Instincts telling me Falcon and Creature are mafia but that feels too easy. Have to be misclearing someone.

I hadn't even posted yet



By instinct, do you mean random number generator?

[falcon45ca]

@Alison


Continuing on...

I'm not stating that I'm scumreading Mac, I'm basically putting him back to null to see what he does the rest of the day phase.


I'm flat out just taking the approach that I'm going to post my reads in the game, speak my mind on my reads, and attempt to get 100% accuracy.

I get that I said this in my scum game about Esooa specifically talking about "I know how to read her" but that's still a true statement that I'm working towards 100% accuracy.
I've also stated this about SPF because I read her mafia game on MU, and figured that I can gain a God Read on her...and technically I caught SPF during Coffia on Day 1 and had a mega case stating why she was mafia...however ended up faltering because of 1. Her responses and anger felt like town!SPF and I felt awful about the push and 2. Literally the only 2 people that interacted with the scum case or even mentioned the thing were Alexa, who was mafia, and Illario, who didn't get influenced by it but I understood why given his past with SPF in games.

Besides now, I'm not going to try to bother with defending myself and I'm going to look to gain the correct reads for this game. If I get yeeted I'm just going to state my reads and go into dead chat looking for how accurate I was. Attempting to remove salt and just play the game.

This is an odd thing to say...



Isn't that what we should aim to do every game?

[Fext]

Instincts telling me Falcon and Creature are mafia but that feels too easy. Have to be misclearing someone.

I hadn't even posted yet



By instinct, do you mean random number generator?

presumably he's referring to either finding everyone else specifically towny or, more likely in my opinion, finding your lack of presence scummy