GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[TonyStarkPrime]

what's going on

[Creature]

@falcon45ca assuming you are real, are you 100% certain Radishes is town?

My checks come back as Town/Mafia, so the only way I'd be wrong is if it's a paranoid sheriff/bastard role situation.




We'll know after TSP flips. I think he's town

???

I'm as close as 100% on MR as you can be w/o actually seeing his flip.



He's Town. TSP is Maf

Oh right, I thought you were saying you think TSP is town.

[Creature]

i will now be setting a post count record

Oh nice the lolcatting

[Creature]

Guess Phil and Gloria won't have to bother anymore with the possibility falcon is faking the check.

[Creature]

Yeah, so Mafia went for Alexa it seems.


Yet another confirmed (not that I was thinking otherwise on alexa, but paranoia is always a thing).

Or Paopan could have been successful in their protect.

[TonyStarkPrime]

i do not believe the lies and accusations brought against me

[Master Radishes]

Oh right, Paopan's claim.

Still.

[Master Radishes]

I was enjoying Jabberwocky.

[Sloonei]

Sloonei would need to have summoned his 2016 self suddenly to be a wolf here.

This post clashes with my desire to scum read you.

[Creature]

what's going on

You were green peeked. Please, lead town.

[LinearPoint]

Seanzie ( 7 ): Urist, NotAnAxehole, Paopan, Belzy, TonyStarkPrime, DrWilgy, nutella
DrWilgy ( 6 ): sabie, dyachei, ender, seanzie, radishes, c4
NotAnAxehole ( 4 ): Guillotine, alexa, Phil and Gloria, ilario
EnderWiggin ( 3 ): dyslexicon, jpic, falcon
112 ( 1 ): Sloonei
falcon45ca ( 1 ): 112
Porscha ( 1 ): linearpoint
sig ( 1 ): hollowkatt
Not Voting ( 3 ): Creature, sig, porscha

So 5 unconfirmed on the top 2 wagons with the top 6 flipping Green (minus Wiggly)
Either all wagons were wrong and Mafia decided to just not care who they voted or that means one of Wiggly or Porscha are Mafia.
Right now, Neeko is leaning a bit more on the possibility that none of those wagons were Mafia.


Working under the above assumption:
Working Mafia team may be: TSP, Mac, Paopan, Porscha, and 1 of Alexa/belzy.
Paopan did a lot of vote switting end of day and drove the wagon off TSP who was 4th highest at the time onto Wiggly so Paopan and Wiggly are never Mafia togther and it looks like Paopan is scummier than Wiggly.
Mac's been shieldng TSP hard so obviously Mac.
Porscha since neeko's had suspicions on them ever since Neeko's initial scum read was so easily dismissed and the wagon on Porscha day 1 vanished instantly.
Belzy has been defending Porscha a lot with no real reason that Neeko has seen, so if one is Mafia both are Mafia.
Alexa was trying to push NAA wagon EoD. So was ilario but ilario shot Mafia.

Still having trouble really reading Sloonei and Creature, but both felt town from yesterday.
JPIC is also a null read still as Neeko hasn't felt strongly Town or Mafia on them all game. If neeko is wrong about one of the above them this might be the last Mafia.

[Sloonei]

Y’all ever work in a restaurant during a hail storm? It’s boring.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Did gyre and gimble in the wabe

[TonyStarkPrime]

what's going on

You were green peeked. Please, lead town.

Aha. Wolves are the people I said were wolves in the past. I have work to do (work=setting post count record)

[Master Radishes]

Did gyre and gimble in the wabe

How were the borogroves?

[Justplayingitcool]

Y’all ever work in a restaurant during a hail storm? It’s boring.

No, but I've eaten at a restaurant during a hail/snow storm

[TonyStarkPrime]

the were all mimsy

[TonyStarkPrime]

and the mome rath outrgrabe

[TonyStarkPrime]

beware the jabberwock my son

[Justplayingitcool]

is this meant to be poetry

[TonyStarkPrime]

the previous mafia record is like 1191 or something so I've got a bit to go

[Paopan]

Seanzie ( 7 ): Urist, NotAnAxehole, Paopan, Belzy, TonyStarkPrime, DrWilgy, nutella
DrWilgy ( 6 ): sabie, dyachei, ender, seanzie, radishes, c4
NotAnAxehole ( 4 ): Guillotine, alexa, Phil and Gloria, ilario
EnderWiggin ( 3 ): dyslexicon, jpic, falcon
112 ( 1 ): Sloonei
falcon45ca ( 1 ): 112
Porscha ( 1 ): linearpoint
sig ( 1 ): hollowkatt
Not Voting ( 3 ): Creature, sig, porscha

So 5 unconfirmed on the top 2 wagons with the top 6 flipping Green (minus Wiggly)
Either all wagons were wrong and Mafia decided to just not care who they voted or that means one of Wiggly or Porscha are Mafia.
Right now, Neeko is leaning a bit more on the possibility that none of those wagons were Mafia.


Working under the above assumption:
Working Mafia team may be: TSP, Mac, Paopan, Porscha, and 1 of Alexa/belzy.
Paopan did a lot of vote switting end of day and drove the wagon off TSP who was 4th highest at the time onto Wiggly so Paopan and Wiggly are never Mafia togther and it looks like Paopan is scummier than Wiggly.
Mac's been shieldng TSP hard so obviously Mac.
Porscha since neeko's had suspicions on them ever since Neeko's initial scum read was so easily dismissed and the wagon on Porscha day 1 vanished instantly.
Belzy has been defending Porscha a lot with no real reason that Neeko has seen, so if one is Mafia both are Mafia.
Alexa was trying to push NAA wagon EoD. So was ilario but ilario shot Mafia.

Still having trouble really reading Sloonei and Creature, but both felt town from yesterday.
JPIC is also a null read still as Neeko hasn't felt strongly Town or Mafia on them all game. If neeko is wrong about one of the above them this might be the last Mafia.

Huh? Read my ISO
When did pushed the wagon off TSP???

[TonyStarkPrime]

is this meant to be poetry

ask Lewis Carroll

[Phil and Gloria]

Guess Phil and Gloria won't have to bother anymore with the possibility falcon is faking the check.

yeah rip me

[Porscha]

could dya be scum who shot marmot because they were scared c4 would shoot there anyway?

That's what we were talking about. Though, still feels weird they would use their private shot on their wolfmate instead of a strong town.

there wasn't much of a strong town day 1. why play risky holding until day 2 or day 3 and then having to justify why you shot a townie when you can coast on being "confirmed town" for multiple days with soup kills. if maf already knows marmot is likely getting shot day 1 then why not make a deep wolf "confirmed" townie out of another maf to make up for it? idk seems like the risk / reward is better for maf to team kill marmot if marmot is going down anyway imo

"there wasn't much of a strong town day 1."

There was Alison.

"why play risky holding until day 2 or day 3 and then having to justify why you shot a townie"

Just don't claim the shot. No one will know where it came from.

"when you can coast on being "confirmed town" for multiple days with soup kills."

I don't think dyachei lives long enough before being caught in their wolf meta.

"if maf already knows marmot is likely getting shot day 1 then why not make a deep wolf "confirmed" townie out of another maf to make up for it?"

Again, I don't think dya is someone to go deep wolf.

"idk seems like the risk / reward is better for maf to team kill marmot if marmot is going down anyway imo"

Probably, but the shooter needs good WIM and the shot could be used on any townie instead.

yeah there was allison but that's 1 out of what - 32 players? and she still gets shot? lmao. lol. hehe.

also you would intentionally claim the kill b/c if you are maf or 3rd party killer then you want everybody to know it was you. that's the whole point of killing someone on your side - to advertise you are good townie

also still doesnt explain that marmot was being read as a likely shot from c4 so why would a townie bother stealing that shot away without saying a word about it

They couldn't predict Alison was going to get shot for stupid reasons at the time. Also, besides Alison, there definitely had some names that wolves could fear if town like alexa and Mac or even Sloonei.

You don't need to intentionally claim the kill if you use it on town. It's a private dayvig so wolves could use it anywhere without being caught.

I don't think the third paragraph is really indicative of anything.

I think 3d paragraph is indicative of the entire situation.

if you are town and see c4 likely shooting marmot, why would another town vigi kill steal that shot? if I'm vig i'm not using that shot on marmot unless c4 actively chooses to not shoot marmot but I still believe marmot is maf, which game state was pushing him as maf (besides dizzy trying to save him). so I don't see why town vigi would use shot in that specific scenario. so if we start from there:

why would dya be a town shot when marmot flips mafia?

I understand that *if* dya is mafia then yeah they don't need to claim who they shot and can save for a strong player / confirmed town (assuming not protected as well...) OR I think there is a perfectly possible world dya offers to shoot marmot (or marmot suggests to dya) and steal the kill from c4 (c4 shooting marmot would have confirmed c4 as likely town instead of what ended up happening which was that c4 shot town and was in top contention for lynching) to therefore prove dya as townie.

I think it happened to work out that after a few days of dya coasting (which I kind of feel like they have been coasting), maf are hopefully in strong enough spot to start knowing town roles to soup kill easily. obviously if we had lynched mafia better then it might not truly pay off but if mafia is guaranteed losing a strong marmot wolf day 1, why not flip it on town to have a deep wolf as confirmed town?

[Master Radishes]

Y’all ever work in a restaurant during a hail storm? It’s boring.

No, but I've eaten at a restaurant during a hail/snow storm

Me too.

My wife and I were in Paris a few years ago for her birthday and it was bloody hot, like sweltering, and we were not enjoying ourselves tbh. But we went out to dinner and it was great food and then it started hailing like mad and they were bouncing in the door and onto our table, some of them pretty big rocks of ice. It was amazing and perked us right up.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Tonight I can write the saddest lines

[Master Radishes]

anyway night good work falcon

[Phil and Gloria]

@LinearPoint where do you come up with the idea that I've been shielding TSP? That smells like absolutely bullshit you just pulled out of your ass.

[LinearPoint]

Seanzie ( 7 ): Urist, NotAnAxehole, Paopan, Belzy, TonyStarkPrime, DrWilgy, nutella
DrWilgy ( 6 ): sabie, dyachei, ender, seanzie, radishes, c4
NotAnAxehole ( 4 ): Guillotine, alexa, Phil and Gloria, ilario
EnderWiggin ( 3 ): dyslexicon, jpic, falcon
112 ( 1 ): Sloonei
falcon45ca ( 1 ): 112
Porscha ( 1 ): linearpoint
sig ( 1 ): hollowkatt
Not Voting ( 3 ): Creature, sig, porscha

So 5 unconfirmed on the top 2 wagons with the top 6 flipping Green (minus Wiggly)
Either all wagons were wrong and Mafia decided to just not care who they voted or that means one of Wiggly or Porscha are Mafia.
Right now, Neeko is leaning a bit more on the possibility that none of those wagons were Mafia.


Working under the above assumption:
Working Mafia team may be: TSP, Mac, Paopan, Porscha, and 1 of Alexa/belzy.
Paopan did a lot of vote switting end of day and drove the wagon off TSP who was 4th highest at the time onto Wiggly so Paopan and Wiggly are never Mafia togther and it looks like Paopan is scummier than Wiggly.
Mac's been shieldng TSP hard so obviously Mac.
Porscha since neeko's had suspicions on them ever since Neeko's initial scum read was so easily dismissed and the wagon on Porscha day 1 vanished instantly.
Belzy has been defending Porscha a lot with no real reason that Neeko has seen, so if one is Mafia both are Mafia.
Alexa was trying to push NAA wagon EoD. So was ilario but ilario shot Mafia.

Still having trouble really reading Sloonei and Creature, but both felt town from yesterday.
JPIC is also a null read still as Neeko hasn't felt strongly Town or Mafia on them all game. If neeko is wrong about one of the above them this might be the last Mafia.

Huh? Read my ISO
When did pushed the wagon off TSP???

You really want Neeko to answer that?

I unvoted Sabie and Sig. I'm having voters block. SOMEONE GIVE ME PILLS!!!

THIIIS IS SOOO ANTI-TOWNY.
Let's lynch this instead

[VOTE: UNVOTE TSP VOTE 112] aubergine

Both are scummmyyy IMO

But why 112 > TSP?

Okay guys. Save TSP. Get wigly and 112

All shortly after you voted TSP then unvoted TSP.

[Phil and Gloria]

I am #threadspewedtown from this day already. Easily and unironically.

[Paopan]

Seanzie ( 7 ): Urist, NotAnAxehole, Paopan, Belzy, TonyStarkPrime, DrWilgy, nutella
DrWilgy ( 6 ): sabie, dyachei, ender, seanzie, radishes, c4
NotAnAxehole ( 4 ): Guillotine, alexa, Phil and Gloria, ilario
EnderWiggin ( 3 ): dyslexicon, jpic, falcon
112 ( 1 ): Sloonei
falcon45ca ( 1 ): 112
Porscha ( 1 ): linearpoint
sig ( 1 ): hollowkatt
Not Voting ( 3 ): Creature, sig, porscha

So 5 unconfirmed on the top 2 wagons with the top 6 flipping Green (minus Wiggly)
Either all wagons were wrong and Mafia decided to just not care who they voted or that means one of Wiggly or Porscha are Mafia.
Right now, Neeko is leaning a bit more on the possibility that none of those wagons were Mafia.


Working under the above assumption:
Working Mafia team may be: TSP, Mac, Paopan, Porscha, and 1 of Alexa/belzy.
Paopan did a lot of vote switting end of day and drove the wagon off TSP who was 4th highest at the time onto Wiggly so Paopan and Wiggly are never Mafia togther and it looks like Paopan is scummier than Wiggly.
Mac's been shieldng TSP hard so obviously Mac.
Porscha since neeko's had suspicions on them ever since Neeko's initial scum read was so easily dismissed and the wagon on Porscha day 1 vanished instantly.
Belzy has been defending Porscha a lot with no real reason that Neeko has seen, so if one is Mafia both are Mafia.
Alexa was trying to push NAA wagon EoD. So was ilario but ilario shot Mafia.

Still having trouble really reading Sloonei and Creature, but both felt town from yesterday.
JPIC is also a null read still as Neeko hasn't felt strongly Town or Mafia on them all game. If neeko is wrong about one of the above them this might be the last Mafia.

Huh? Read my ISO
When did pushed the wagon off TSP???

You really want Neeko to answer that?

I unvoted Sabie and Sig. I'm having voters block. SOMEONE GIVE ME PILLS!!!

THIIIS IS SOOO ANTI-TOWNY.
Let's lynch this instead

[VOTE: UNVOTE TSP VOTE 112] aubergine

Both are scummmyyy IMO

But why 112 > TSP?

Okay guys. Save TSP. Get wigly and 112

All shortly after you voted TSP then unvoted TSP.

So what? I am speculating all those slots, scum-leaning
In the end, I tried to push TSP and save Guillo
You are either scum painting me as a wolf or being a lost lamb town
Either way, very disappointing read from a town's perspective
You could've checked there are some people giving town creds to TSP around that time.

[TonyStarkPrime]

god 600 posts to go everyone better strap in

[TonyStarkPrime]

pithing needle naming "You Are Already Dead"

[alexa]

ok i'm here

this game has stressed me out a lot and i didn't really do anything to think about it overnight

Mac feels pretty villagery this SOD so maybe i'm wrong on that read

i'm going to assume that i was the wolf shot, but i don't necessarily means that meant i had a lot of good reads tbh

[Phil and Gloria]

please tell me we have day kp

[LinearPoint]

So your response to having it pointed out you wanted the wagon to go off of TSP is to say others were doing it to?
That doesn't change the fact you were against lynching TSP and pushing people to unvote TSP.
You were the most vocal about it.

[Porscha]

Seanzie ( 7 ): Urist, NotAnAxehole, Paopan, Belzy, TonyStarkPrime, DrWilgy, nutella
DrWilgy ( 6 ): sabie, dyachei, ender, seanzie, radishes, c4
NotAnAxehole ( 4 ): Guillotine, alexa, Phil and Gloria, ilario
EnderWiggin ( 3 ): dyslexicon, jpic, falcon
112 ( 1 ): Sloonei
falcon45ca ( 1 ): 112
Porscha ( 1 ): linearpoint
sig ( 1 ): hollowkatt
Not Voting ( 3 ): Creature, sig, porscha

So 5 unconfirmed on the top 2 wagons with the top 6 flipping Green (minus Wiggly)
Either all wagons were wrong and Mafia decided to just not care who they voted or that means one of Wiggly or Porscha are Mafia.
Right now, Neeko is leaning a bit more on the possibility that none of those wagons were Mafia.


Working under the above assumption:
Working Mafia team may be: TSP, Mac, Paopan, Porscha, and 1 of Alexa/belzy.
Paopan did a lot of vote switting end of day and drove the wagon off TSP who was 4th highest at the time onto Wiggly so Paopan and Wiggly are never Mafia togther and it looks like Paopan is scummier than Wiggly.
Mac's been shieldng TSP hard so obviously Mac.
Porscha since neeko's had suspicions on them ever since Neeko's initial scum read was so easily dismissed and the wagon on Porscha day 1 vanished instantly.
Belzy has been defending Porscha a lot with no real reason that Neeko has seen, so if one is Mafia both are Mafia.
Alexa was trying to push NAA wagon EoD. So was ilario but ilario shot Mafia.

Still having trouble really reading Sloonei and Creature, but both felt town from yesterday.
JPIC is also a null read still as Neeko hasn't felt strongly Town or Mafia on them all game. If neeko is wrong about one of the above them this might be the last Mafia.

okay well idk why there is dichotomy between me and wilgy from wagon voting when eod 1 I was not being wagon'd at all and you were still the only vote on me. even c4 didnt bother putting vote on me and you were entirely riding off his read of me
also it's been made clear that the reason belzy is clearing me is due to mech. understandable to read us as a potential pair but idk why you're assuming it's automatically wolfy. I guess you're doing that b/c you are *still* trying to make a push on me based on c4's push on me day1 just because I came into thread late and apologized 1 too many times for not being caught up. maybe it was easily dismissed b/c it isn't a strong read on me that proves anything about me being wolfy. I think you are gut reading me incorrectly or you are one of the possible wolves who will come for me via day lynch as I said they would. I bet you'd really like to know my role so you could nk me - like your push suggests - but you don't so you will try to day lynch me instead. I am an amateur forum mafia player, participating in a huge game where I have not played with a majority of the players here, I am feeling nervous in my reads and that the thread moves a million miles an hour is difficult as well. I think you - all of us - should spend more time evaluating one of the 5 vigi claims since that's obviously has wolf in it. unless you are a wolf of course - then you would have no interest in evaluating that situation :^)

[TonyStarkPrime]

I have nothing to say and I am saying it

[Phil and Gloria]

ok i'm here

this game has stressed me out a lot and i didn't really do anything to think about it overnight

Mac feels pretty villagery this SOD so maybe i'm wrong on that read

i'm going to assume that i was the wolf shot, but i don't necessarily means that meant i had a lot of good reads tbh

I feel like the pool of players that would have shot you last night is quite small?

[TonyStarkPrime]

and that is poetry

[TonyStarkPrime]

as i need it

[LinearPoint]

ok i'm here

this game has stressed me out a lot and i didn't really do anything to think about it overnight

Mac feels pretty villagery this SOD so maybe i'm wrong on that read

i'm going to assume that i was the wolf shot, but i don't necessarily means that meant i had a lot of good reads tbh

Why do you think wolves shot you?

[Phil and Gloria]

I think Creature is mafia.

[Phil and Gloria]

@Sloonei will you be doing us the service of interactive analysis of tsp?

[TonyStarkPrime]

this is all bad

[alexa]

ok i'm here

this game has stressed me out a lot and i didn't really do anything to think about it overnight

Mac feels pretty villagery this SOD so maybe i'm wrong on that read

i'm going to assume that i was the wolf shot, but i don't necessarily means that meant i had a lot of good reads tbh

I feel like the pool of players that would have shot you last night is quite small?

i disagree

[TonyStarkPrime]

April is the cruelest month

[Creature]

please tell me we have day kp

Maybe if someone won the poetry contest...

[TonyStarkPrime]

, breeding
Lilacs out of the dead land,