It's "Always Sunny in Philadelphia" d3

[falcon45ca]

Why are ties bad?



Well, if your wolf teammate is one of the wagons, yeah.



There's no reason a tie was anti-town last RD, except if Wilgy is Maf.

[DrWilgy]

Yeah, Wilgys pretty much outted I'd say

You were voting me before the EoD debacle, so clearly your reasoning is false.
Desired a moment to ensure that I'm not conf biasing into your vote and instead of solving you're like 'nah outed wolf clearly'

we need to not tie lol

[VOTE: screen] aubergine

dont want tie

Screen (4): neon, lily, risiinq, sean
Wilgy (2): screen, falcon
Not voting (1): wilgy

There's no reason at all for this to have happened unless Wilgy is Maf.

Or you were voting me, Screen needed to save themselves and Lily didn't trust the tie? Hmmm????

You weren't outted when I was voting you. EOD thp, that was very outting, and it should be clear as day

More bs and you know it. You can say 'outted outted' without reason until you are blue and it doesn't make it an actual statement. Town Falcon 100% would be weighing the Lily/Seanzie team here.

[Lilypetal]

Why are ties bad?



Well, if your wolf teammate is one of the wagons, yeah.



There's no reason a tie was anti-town last RD, except if Wilgy is Maf.

bruh i was under the impression ties = no lunch

so ofc i didnt want to tie

[DrWilgy]

The WaGoNoMiCs argument is bad and will stay bad.

Spelling words with mixed caps and lower cases doesn't make it invalid.


You don't look at wagon patterns when hunting wolves eh? Interesting

No, but it being your entire argument and case is weak.

Why are ties bad?



Well, if your wolf teammate is one of the wagons, yeah.



There's no reason a tie was anti-town last RD, except if Wilgy is Maf.

So you don't believe Lily's claim that they thought a tie would be a no lynch? Or do you believe Lily and think that it makes it scumsided to avoid a no lynch?

[falcon45ca]

Yeah, Wilgys pretty much outted I'd say

You were voting me before the EoD debacle, so clearly your reasoning is false.
Desired a moment to ensure that I'm not conf biasing into your vote and instead of solving you're like 'nah outed wolf clearly'

we need to not tie lol

[VOTE: screen] aubergine

dont want tie

Screen (4): neon, lily, risiinq, sean
Wilgy (2): screen, falcon
Not voting (1): wilgy

There's no reason at all for this to have happened unless Wilgy is Maf.

Or you were voting me, Screen needed to save themselves and Lily didn't trust the tie? Hmmm????

You weren't outted when I was voting you. EOD thp, that was very outting, and it should be clear as day

More bs and you know it. You can say 'outted outted' without reason until you are blue and it doesn't make it an actual statement. Town Falcon 100% would be weighing the Lily/Seanzie team here.

It's in the back of my mind, but I'm also gauging your responses.


They have not been towny IMO.



I'm not sure which is your teammate, leaning lily due to the "afraid of a tie"...why? What's the worst that could happen? It doesn't make sense, particularly in the dying minutes of the RD

[falcon45ca]

The WaGoNoMiCs argument is bad and will stay bad.

Spelling words with mixed caps and lower cases doesn't make it invalid.


You don't look at wagon patterns when hunting wolves eh? Interesting

No, but it being your entire argument and case is weak.

Why are ties bad?



Well, if your wolf teammate is one of the wagons, yeah.



There's no reason a tie was anti-town last RD, except if Wilgy is Maf.

So you don't believe Lily's claim that they thought a tie would be a no lynch? Or do you believe Lily and think that it makes it scumsided to avoid a no lynch?

Absolutely not, I'm sure it's happened in some games, but I can't think of a single one.



Why would they assume that? That doesn't add

[Lilypetal]

The WaGoNoMiCs argument is bad and will stay bad.

Spelling words with mixed caps and lower cases doesn't make it invalid.


You don't look at wagon patterns when hunting wolves eh? Interesting

No, but it being your entire argument and case is weak.

Why are ties bad?



Well, if your wolf teammate is one of the wagons, yeah.



There's no reason a tie was anti-town last RD, except if Wilgy is Maf.

So you don't believe Lily's claim that they thought a tie would be a no lynch? Or do you believe Lily and think that it makes it scumsided to avoid a no lynch?

Absolutely not, I'm sure it's happened in some games, but I can't think of a single one.



Why would they assume that? That doesn't add

most games i've played on this site have had ties = no elim

in one of my most recent games here (king of the hill hosted by sabi) I almost caused a tie day 1 and got flamed hard for it lol

[Lilypetal]

you were the person in that game i thought was town and hopped off the wagon of actually : )

[Lilypetal]

anyway we all agree sean is 100% outed scum so let's just vote there first anyway

[Lilypetal]

ez clap

[Lilypetal]

@risiinq- where u at

[falcon45ca]

The WaGoNoMiCs argument is bad and will stay bad.

Spelling words with mixed caps and lower cases doesn't make it invalid.


You don't look at wagon patterns when hunting wolves eh? Interesting

No, but it being your entire argument and case is weak.

Why are ties bad?



Well, if your wolf teammate is one of the wagons, yeah.



There's no reason a tie was anti-town last RD, except if Wilgy is Maf.

So you don't believe Lily's claim that they thought a tie would be a no lynch? Or do you believe Lily and think that it makes it scumsided to avoid a no lynch?

Absolutely not, I'm sure it's happened in some games, but I can't think of a single one.



Why would they assume that? That doesn't add

most games i've played on this site have had ties = no elim

in one of my most recent games here (king of the hill hosted by sabi) I almost caused a tie day 1 and got flamed hard for it lol

Name one.



It's posted rule in K of the H that a tie would be a no lynch? Again, I'm sure these games exist, but I can't recall any.


I just played a game with a tie ended in coun flip, this is standard practice on this site.



I do not believe you and you'll have to actually show me games where ties end in a no lynch

[Lilypetal]

viewtopic.php?t=2417 tie ends in no elim

viewtopic.php?t=2423 tie ends in no elim

I've played four games on this site these two being games I tryharded in and played a LOT of

I played two others I slanked in and iirc they didn't have tie=no elim but I don't rly remember.

So my basis of tie=no elim is founded in those experiences

[DrWilgy]

Yeah, Wilgys pretty much outted I'd say

You were voting me before the EoD debacle, so clearly your reasoning is false.
Desired a moment to ensure that I'm not conf biasing into your vote and instead of solving you're like 'nah outed wolf clearly'

we need to not tie lol

[VOTE: screen] aubergine

dont want tie

Screen (4): neon, lily, risiinq, sean
Wilgy (2): screen, falcon
Not voting (1): wilgy

There's no reason at all for this to have happened unless Wilgy is Maf.

Or you were voting me, Screen needed to save themselves and Lily didn't trust the tie? Hmmm????

You weren't outted when I was voting you. EOD thp, that was very outting, and it should be clear as day

More bs and you know it. You can say 'outted outted' without reason until you are blue and it doesn't make it an actual statement. Town Falcon 100% would be weighing the Lily/Seanzie team here.

It's in the back of my mind, but I'm also gauging your responses.


They have not been towny IMO.



I'm not sure which is your teammate, leaning lily due to the "afraid of a tie"...why? What's the worst that could happen? It doesn't make sense, particularly in the dying minutes of the RD

Bro, I've basically begged you to work with me here in solving and all I've gotten is 'you're outed' and 'Wilgy Wolf'

Where is my alternative than yelling and screaming to prevent me from accidentally yeeting you if I'm wrong?

[risiinq-]

@risiinq- where u at

hey, im here now

[risiinq-]

looking at the kill rn confused why neon was softing a green check on me

her dying clears me tho like

idt i /ever/ kill her as wolf i'm not the kind of brave wolf to do that

i mean u guys can evaluate that but it will be much easier for me here to just focus on the solving aspect rather than the towntelling aspect

[risiinq-]

i misread srceenplay tho, i have no idea what went wrong there

i don't think lily moving her vote was bad for her but i am curious why after being called out on that she has spent a few posts defending herself from specifically that

btw @Lilypetal can u lmk ur claim more clearly? i never got it

like, u detected a post with lie detector and got no result

and then u turned vt

so did u know u were like a 1-shot lie detector?

[Seanzie]

It was the responsible town thing to do after you put us to a tie 3 minutes before eod

Why is a tie an issue?

I was under the impression a tie would mean no one dies, no?

How I see it is you voted screen forcing it to 3-3

Eod was inactive and I was the only one there to stop it so in my eyes you were either hardcore griefing or a wolf. I was forced to vote screen despite TRing him to break the tie. You then used me swapping my vote to justify your vote. Just bad stuff lol

And then if you were town you would enter today voting me so you voting Snow is incredibly weird and almost outing. Why didn't you enter the day sus of me?

Were you on me prior to Screen?

Yes

Oh, I thought this was to me, but yes Lily was on Wilgy prior to Screen.

@DrWilgy I still haven't seen what spat is supposed to clear you/Lily.

Mainly this:

oh he is playing very close to how he did in that reanimators game ur right

But he's a TR? It's like you threw it out there just to make content and then realized Oops! It's NAI, oh wait it's W.

oh you're wolfing again

omgus?

i dunno your post just felt kinda forced like

i put out a tr basd on recent experiences with creature

sean counters with oh actually creature's play here more closely mirrors his wolf games here u go look at it

i read the wolf game and go oh shit you're right!

i vote creature

"but he's a TR" makes no sense to say because obviously I have seen evidence and changed my read accordingly

I'd be hard pressed to believe you think Lily and I are aligned after Lily goes in on me like so.

Uhh... did you quote the right post? Lily saying that "your posts just felt kinda forced" doesn't exactly scream "must be unteamed"?

[Seanzie]

Yeah, Wilgys pretty much outted I'd say

You were voting me before the EoD debacle, so clearly your reasoning is false.
Desired a moment to ensure that I'm not conf biasing into your vote and instead of solving you're like 'nah outed wolf clearly'

we need to not tie lol

[VOTE: screen] aubergine

dont want tie

Screen (4): neon, lily, risiinq, sean
Wilgy (2): screen, falcon
Not voting (1): wilgy

There's no reason at all for this to have happened unless Wilgy is Maf.

Or you were voting me, Screen needed to save themselves and Lily didn't trust the tie? Hmmm????

You weren't outted when I was voting you. EOD thp, that was very outting, and it should be clear as day

More bs and you know it. You can say 'outted outted' without reason until you are blue and it doesn't make it an actual statement. Town Falcon 100% would be weighing the Lily/Seanzie team here.

I mean, tbf you seem to not be considering a lily team at all?

[Seanzie]

The WaGoNoMiCs argument is bad and will stay bad.

Spelling words with mixed caps and lower cases doesn't make it invalid.


You don't look at wagon patterns when hunting wolves eh? Interesting

No, but it being your entire argument and case is weak.

Why are ties bad?



Well, if your wolf teammate is one of the wagons, yeah.



There's no reason a tie was anti-town last RD, except if Wilgy is Maf.

So you don't believe Lily's claim that they thought a tie would be a no lynch? Or do you believe Lily and think that it makes it scumsided to avoid a no lynch?

There is a third possibility, that Lily used the tie as an excuse to do something they thought they would look townie while also saving a partner

[risiinq-]

The WaGoNoMiCs argument is bad and will stay bad.

Spelling words with mixed caps and lower cases doesn't make it invalid.


You don't look at wagon patterns when hunting wolves eh? Interesting

No, but it being your entire argument and case is weak.

Why are ties bad?



Well, if your wolf teammate is one of the wagons, yeah.



There's no reason a tie was anti-town last RD, except if Wilgy is Maf.

So you don't believe Lily's claim that they thought a tie would be a no lynch? Or do you believe Lily and think that it makes it scumsided to avoid a no lynch?

There is a third possibility, that Lily used the tie as an excuse to do something they thought they would look townie while also saving a partner

you think lily using the tie as an excuse is towny??

[Seanzie]

Speaking of which,

@Lilypetal can you put me in your headspace during that tie? What sis you think of the fact that I moved to screen play? Did you try to get me or anyone else around to move back? Dis the whole thing happen fast or did it feel like time had slowed down?

[Seanzie]

The WaGoNoMiCs argument is bad and will stay bad.

Spelling words with mixed caps and lower cases doesn't make it invalid.


You don't look at wagon patterns when hunting wolves eh? Interesting

No, but it being your entire argument and case is weak.

Why are ties bad?



Well, if your wolf teammate is one of the wagons, yeah.



There's no reason a tie was anti-town last RD, except if Wilgy is Maf.

So you don't believe Lily's claim that they thought a tie would be a no lynch? Or do you believe Lily and think that it makes it scumsided to avoid a no lynch?

There is a third possibility, that Lily used the tie as an excuse to do something they thought they would look townie while also saving a partner

you think lily using the tie as an excuse is towny??

Regardless of Lily's alignment, I kind of believe Lily thought a tie would be a no-elim, so I could easily see wolf!Lily think that breaking a tie would be a good look, yes.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

remembered my vote was still on Rising.

[Seanzie]

@DrWilgy sell me on Falcon.

[falcon45ca]

viewtopic.php?t=2417 tie ends in no elim

viewtopic.php?t=2423 tie ends in no elim

I've played four games on this site these two being games I tryharded in and played a LOT of

I played two others I slanked in and iirc they didn't have tie=no elim but I don't rly remember.

So my basis of tie=no elim is founded in those experiences

OK, that's fair. The tie = no elim is clearly stated in the rules for those games, I'll have to check and see whats stated for this game.

[falcon45ca]

Yeah, Wilgys pretty much outted I'd say

You were voting me before the EoD debacle, so clearly your reasoning is false.
Desired a moment to ensure that I'm not conf biasing into your vote and instead of solving you're like 'nah outed wolf clearly'

we need to not tie lol

[VOTE: screen] aubergine

dont want tie

Screen (4): neon, lily, risiinq, sean
Wilgy (2): screen, falcon
Not voting (1): wilgy

There's no reason at all for this to have happened unless Wilgy is Maf.

Or you were voting me, Screen needed to save themselves and Lily didn't trust the tie? Hmmm????

You weren't outted when I was voting you. EOD thp, that was very outting, and it should be clear as day

More bs and you know it. You can say 'outted outted' without reason until you are blue and it doesn't make it an actual statement. Town Falcon 100% would be weighing the Lily/Seanzie team here.

It's in the back of my mind, but I'm also gauging your responses.


They have not been towny IMO.



I'm not sure which is your teammate, leaning lily due to the "afraid of a tie"...why? What's the worst that could happen? It doesn't make sense, particularly in the dying minutes of the RD

Bro, I've basically begged you to work with me here in solving and all I've gotten is 'you're outed' and 'Wilgy Wolf'

Where is my alternative than yelling and screaming to prevent me from accidentally yeeting you if I'm wrong?

Well, from my perspective 2/3 of yourself, Sean and Lily is a wolf.


So yeah, I'm a bit paranoid

[falcon45ca]

@Neon has died they flip town

You Haven't Thought Of The Smell, You Bitch

On odd nights target someone and roleblock them (does not stop factional abilities)


You are town

D3 ends in 48 hours

Wait, how did Neon have a green check on risiin?

[risiinq-]

@Neon has died they flip town

You Haven't Thought Of The Smell, You Bitch

On odd nights target someone and roleblock them (does not stop factional abilities)


You are town

D3 ends in 48 hours

Wait, how did Neon have a green check on risiin?

did u just look at the flip?

[falcon45ca]

@Neon has died they flip town

You Haven't Thought Of The Smell, You Bitch

On odd nights target someone and roleblock them (does not stop factional abilities)


You are town

D3 ends in 48 hours

Wait, how did Neon have a green check on risiin?

did u just look at the flip?

I glanced at it yesterday, saw Neon flipped and was not surprised, but didn't read thru the flip and her role.


How many roles are in this game? Lily claimed a lie detector that turned her vanilla, which is somewhat verified by Nook entering the thread with his lie detector post

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: sean] aubergine

[falcon45ca]

Fuck it. While it's not impossible, I find it far less likely that risiin is a wolf. That leaves 2/3 in lily, sean and wilgy, and with Lily's lie detector on me, I'll giver her a pass this RD.

[VOTE: sean] aubergine

[Seanzie]

Ehh... I've made backwards progress.

I am no longer so convinced Neon's kill says much about Rising.

In a w!rising world, wolves know Neon's check is fake, and if they didn't kill Neon, the question "why didn't Neon die?" would have been the main point of discussion, which would have forced Neon\Rising into the spotlight. Neon would have probably outed that she just RB'd Rising so it isn't a hard clear, and we all would have probably come to the conclusion that Rising is a wolf, since otherwise one of Neon or Rising would've been NK'd. This ends almost always with Rising being the elim.

So what other option would a w!Rising team have, other than to kill Neon and hope that it makes it look like wolves believed Neon's claim?

Now, I want to make sure it is clear, I am NOT saying that this is evidence of w!Rising, instead, I think Neon's clear is not evidence of t!Rising, and the NK is Rising-alignment agnostic.

Which is kind of unfortunate because it does make the game much harder.

And before y'all try to make out like I'm trying to widen the PoE, I am doing that, but only because I am not convinced of my current solve, and so am doing due-diligence in F5.

[Seanzie]

i misread srceenplay tho, i have no idea what went wrong there

i don't think lily moving her vote was bad for her but i am curious why after being called out on that she has spent a few posts defending herself from specifically that

btw @Lilypetal can u lmk ur claim more clearly? i never got it

like, u detected a post with lie detector and got no result

and then u turned vt

so did u know u were like a 1-shot lie detector?

Don't do this. @Lilypetal be careful. I didn't know this until yesterday but scum has a flavor vig, which can easily lose us the game if anyone fullclaims.

[falcon45ca]

Ehh... I've made backwards progress.

I am no longer so convinced Neon's kill says much about Rising.

In a w!rising world, wolves know Neon's check is fake, and if they didn't kill Neon, the question "why didn't Neon die?" would have been the main point of discussion, which would have forced Neon\Rising into the spotlight. Neon would have probably outed that she just RB'd Rising so it isn't a hard clear, and we all would have probably come to the conclusion that Rising is a wolf, since otherwise one of Neon or Rising would've been NK'd. This ends almost always with Rising being the elim.

So what other option would a w!Rising team have, other than to kill Neon and hope that it makes it look like wolves believed Neon's claim?

Now, I want to make sure it is clear, I am NOT saying that this is evidence of w!Rising, instead, I think Neon's clear is not evidence of t!Rising, and the NK is Rising-alignment agnostic.

Which is kind of unfortunate because it does make the game much harder.

And before y'all try to make out like I'm trying to widen the PoE, I am doing that, but only because I am not convinced of my current solve, and so am doing due-diligence in F5.

Neon this is why you tell town as much as you can about your checks when you out them, or at least before the EOD, cuz now we're in speculation city

[falcon45ca]

i misread srceenplay tho, i have no idea what went wrong there

i don't think lily moving her vote was bad for her but i am curious why after being called out on that she has spent a few posts defending herself from specifically that

btw @Lilypetal can u lmk ur claim more clearly? i never got it

like, u detected a post with lie detector and got no result

and then u turned vt

so did u know u were like a 1-shot lie detector?

Don't do this. @Lilypetal be careful. I didn't know this until yesterday but scum has a flavor vig, which can easily lose us the game if anyone fullclaims.

I just read that as well a few minutes ago in the OP, good call

[Seanzie]

Ehh... I've made backwards progress.

I am no longer so convinced Neon's kill says much about Rising.

In a w!rising world, wolves know Neon's check is fake, and if they didn't kill Neon, the question "why didn't Neon die?" would have been the main point of discussion, which would have forced Neon\Rising into the spotlight. Neon would have probably outed that she just RB'd Rising so it isn't a hard clear, and we all would have probably come to the conclusion that Rising is a wolf, since otherwise one of Neon or Rising would've been NK'd. This ends almost always with Rising being the elim.

So what other option would a w!Rising team have, other than to kill Neon and hope that it makes it look like wolves believed Neon's claim?

Now, I want to make sure it is clear, I am NOT saying that this is evidence of w!Rising, instead, I think Neon's clear is not evidence of t!Rising, and the NK is Rising-alignment agnostic.

Which is kind of unfortunate because it does make the game much harder.

And before y'all try to make out like I'm trying to widen the PoE, I am doing that, but only because I am not convinced of my current solve, and so am doing due-diligence in F5.

Neon this is why you tell town as much as you can about your checks when you out them, or at least before the EOD, cuz now we're in speculation city

I don't think we are in speculation city about Neon's action. I think it is almost certain that Neon RB'd Rising night 1, and that was her "soft clear", which does give a little weight to town!Rising, and if they are wolf, they are likely wolf with someone who was in a better thread position than Rising was in after d1.

[Lilypetal]

i misread srceenplay tho, i have no idea what went wrong there

i don't think lily moving her vote was bad for her but i am curious why after being called out on that she has spent a few posts defending herself from specifically that

btw @Lilypetal can u lmk ur claim more clearly? i never got it

like, u detected a post with lie detector and got no result

and then u turned vt

so did u know u were like a 1-shot lie detector?

i had no idea what my role did lol

[Lilypetal]

Speaking of which,

@Lilypetal can you put me in your headspace during that tie? What sis you think of the fact that I moved to screen play? Did you try to get me or anyone else around to move back? Dis the whole thing happen fast or did it feel like time had slowed down?

i normally play mafia while doing other stuff and i went to this tab and saw u had made it a tie so i was like what the fuck ever and voted screen after like complaining abt u making it a tie

if i remember correctly

i was doing something else so i couldn't rly threadcamp and see if u would change it back

i just went ugh this bitch a wolf

[Seanzie]

Speaking of which,

@Lilypetal can you put me in your headspace during that tie? What sis you think of the fact that I moved to screen play? Did you try to get me or anyone else around to move back? Dis the whole thing happen fast or did it feel like time had slowed down?

i normally play mafia while doing other stuff and i went to this tab and saw u had made it a tie so i was like what the fuck ever and voted screen after like complaining abt u making it a tie

if i remember correctly

i was doing something else so i couldn't rly threadcamp and see if u would change it back

i just went ugh this bitch a wolf

Why would me making it a tie make me a wolf? In a world where ties are no-elims, wouldn't that be TWTBAW?

[Lilypetal]

Speaking of which,

@Lilypetal can you put me in your headspace during that tie? What sis you think of the fact that I moved to screen play? Did you try to get me or anyone else around to move back? Dis the whole thing happen fast or did it feel like time had slowed down?

i normally play mafia while doing other stuff and i went to this tab and saw u had made it a tie so i was like what the fuck ever and voted screen after like complaining abt u making it a tie

if i remember correctly

i was doing something else so i couldn't rly threadcamp and see if u would change it back

i just went ugh this bitch a wolf

Why would me making it a tie make me a wolf? In a world where ties are no-elims, wouldn't that be TWTBAW?

in my eyes you have blatantly powerwolfed this game so no not really

[falcon45ca]

Ehh... I've made backwards progress.

I am no longer so convinced Neon's kill says much about Rising.

In a w!rising world, wolves know Neon's check is fake, and if they didn't kill Neon, the question "why didn't Neon die?" would have been the main point of discussion, which would have forced Neon\Rising into the spotlight. Neon would have probably outed that she just RB'd Rising so it isn't a hard clear, and we all would have probably come to the conclusion that Rising is a wolf, since otherwise one of Neon or Rising would've been NK'd. This ends almost always with Rising being the elim.

So what other option would a w!Rising team have, other than to kill Neon and hope that it makes it look like wolves believed Neon's claim?

Now, I want to make sure it is clear, I am NOT saying that this is evidence of w!Rising, instead, I think Neon's clear is not evidence of t!Rising, and the NK is Rising-alignment agnostic.

Which is kind of unfortunate because it does make the game much harder.

And before y'all try to make out like I'm trying to widen the PoE, I am doing that, but only because I am not convinced of my current solve, and so am doing due-diligence in F5.

Neon this is why you tell town as much as you can about your checks when you out them, or at least before the EOD, cuz now we're in speculation city

I don't think we are in speculation city about Neon's action. I think it is almost certain that Neon RB'd Rising night 1, and that was her "soft clear", which does give a little weight to town!Rising, and if they are wolf, they are likely wolf with someone who was in a better thread position than Rising was in after d1.

Her roleblock does not stop factional abilities, we are in spec city.

[falcon45ca]

Speaking of which,

@Lilypetal can you put me in your headspace during that tie? What sis you think of the fact that I moved to screen play? Did you try to get me or anyone else around to move back? Dis the whole thing happen fast or did it feel like time had slowed down?

i normally play mafia while doing other stuff and i went to this tab and saw u had made it a tie so i was like what the fuck ever and voted screen after like complaining abt u making it a tie

if i remember correctly

i was doing something else so i couldn't rly threadcamp and see if u would change it back

i just went ugh this bitch a wolf

Why would me making it a tie make me a wolf? In a world where ties are no-elims, wouldn't that be TWTBAW?

Regarding ties: lily was right, ties with no elims are on this site more frequently than I thought.

That being said, they were explicitly stated in the game rules...it's not in this game. Therefore there's no reason to assume ties = no elim

I don't find you tying the wagons AI, except in the world where you and Wilgy are w/w

If lily thinks your wolf, then necessity says wilgy is too 9.5/10 times IMO

[falcon45ca]

Does seem to be Sean falcon though.

Like, why does W Sean create a tie if the wagons are T/T? What's the motivation?



I don't see how you view Sean as W!, who didn't try and save his partner by at least tying wagons for either a no lynch, or a coin toss...why am I his partner in this scenario?


It doesn't make sense that W! Sean does that unless Wilgy is his teammate

[falcon45ca]

As to Wilgys sus on me...recently I may add



Wilgz dude, you know my meta, and you know I'm not anywhere near my wolf range

[falcon45ca]

Gonna ISO the NKs from RD1 and 2

[Seanzie]

Ehh... I've made backwards progress.

I am no longer so convinced Neon's kill says much about Rising.

In a w!rising world, wolves know Neon's check is fake, and if they didn't kill Neon, the question "why didn't Neon die?" would have been the main point of discussion, which would have forced Neon\Rising into the spotlight. Neon would have probably outed that she just RB'd Rising so it isn't a hard clear, and we all would have probably come to the conclusion that Rising is a wolf, since otherwise one of Neon or Rising would've been NK'd. This ends almost always with Rising being the elim.

So what other option would a w!Rising team have, other than to kill Neon and hope that it makes it look like wolves believed Neon's claim?

Now, I want to make sure it is clear, I am NOT saying that this is evidence of w!Rising, instead, I think Neon's clear is not evidence of t!Rising, and the NK is Rising-alignment agnostic.

Which is kind of unfortunate because it does make the game much harder.

And before y'all try to make out like I'm trying to widen the PoE, I am doing that, but only because I am not convinced of my current solve, and so am doing due-diligence in F5.

Neon this is why you tell town as much as you can about your checks when you out them, or at least before the EOD, cuz now we're in speculation city

I don't think we are in speculation city about Neon's action. I think it is almost certain that Neon RB'd Rising night 1, and that was her "soft clear", which does give a little weight to town!Rising, and if they are wolf, they are likely wolf with someone who was in a better thread position than Rising was in after d1.

Her roleblock does not stop factional abilities, we are in spec city.

Hmm... so it doesn't...

[Seanzie]

Does seem to be Sean falcon though.

Like, why does W Sean create a tie if the wagons are T/T? What's the motivation?



I don't see how you view Sean as W!, who didn't try and save his partner by at least tying wagons for either a no lynch, or a coin toss...why am I his partner in this scenario?


It doesn't make sense that W! Sean does that unless Wilgy is his teammate

Ehh... actually I learned that trick from Dizzy - as a wolf it can be a good idea to mess with t/t wagons. If you flip before wagons are resolved, people suspect the wagoned, if the wagons flip before you do, people clear you for being so involved in t/t wagons where it doesn't make sense to be (in a level 0 way) as wolf.

[falcon45ca]

Does seem to be Sean falcon though.

Like, why does W Sean create a tie if the wagons are T/T? What's the motivation?



I don't see how you view Sean as W!, who didn't try and save his partner by at least tying wagons for either a no lynch, or a coin toss...why am I his partner in this scenario?


It doesn't make sense that W! Sean does that unless Wilgy is his teammate

Ehh... actually I learned that trick from Dizzy - as a wolf it can be a good idea to mess with t/t wagons. If you flip before wagons are resolved, people suspect the wagoned, if the wagons flip before you do, people clear you for being so involved in t/t wagons where it doesn't make sense to be (in a level 0 way) as wolf.

Can be is the key aspect here.



In a game with 2 Maf, it seems less ideal, cuz it puts heat on you w/o cause.

[falcon45ca]

Ehh... I've made backwards progress.

I am no longer so convinced Neon's kill says much about Rising.

In a w!rising world, wolves know Neon's check is fake, and if they didn't kill Neon, the question "why didn't Neon die?" would have been the main point of discussion, which would have forced Neon\Rising into the spotlight. Neon would have probably outed that she just RB'd Rising so it isn't a hard clear, and we all would have probably come to the conclusion that Rising is a wolf, since otherwise one of Neon or Rising would've been NK'd. This ends almost always with Rising being the elim.

So what other option would a w!Rising team have, other than to kill Neon and hope that it makes it look like wolves believed Neon's claim?

Now, I want to make sure it is clear, I am NOT saying that this is evidence of w!Rising, instead, I think Neon's clear is not evidence of t!Rising, and the NK is Rising-alignment agnostic.

Which is kind of unfortunate because it does make the game much harder.

And before y'all try to make out like I'm trying to widen the PoE, I am doing that, but only because I am not convinced of my current solve, and so am doing due-diligence in F5.

Neon this is why you tell town as much as you can about your checks when you out them, or at least before the EOD, cuz now we're in speculation city

I don't think we are in speculation city about Neon's action. I think it is almost certain that Neon RB'd Rising night 1, and that was her "soft clear", which does give a little weight to town!Rising, and if they are wolf, they are likely wolf with someone who was in a better thread position than Rising was in after d1.

Her roleblock does not stop factional abilities, we are in spec city.

Hmm... so it doesn't...

Thoughts on Lily thinking a tie would be a no lynch? Do you believe her?