The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote:

speedchuck wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:speedchuck makes me a nervous horse

As a horse farmer, I resemble that?

If a sheep tender is a shepard, what is a horse tender?

Delicious.

I have voted DrWilgy. I will likely do so until I am satisfied with his production.

MP, d actually opt for #2.

And wilgy... I'm not bad this game.

Epignosis wrote:I have voted DrWilgy. I will likely do so until I am satisfied with his production.

Boo!

Epi, you bad?

As usual I'm pretty lost as to where to start and I feel like anyone could be fooling me at this point. I suppose I'm leaning toward civ-reading MP and also agreeing with his civ read of Epi and LC, but those could all be subject to change. I also think Dys and JJJ look good so far. Part of me is tempted to follow Dys's apparent gut suspicion of MP, but as of now I think it's risky because if he is civ he's a valuable one as seen by his early and detailed contributions about strategy. Then again, said strategy post could be seen as sneaky-by-way-of-overt fishing for cop/info claims, but that's kind of a leap. Again I'm leaning civ for him but my Dys read is stronger.

FZ. wrote:Hi. I was sure a lot more people would check in by now, and I'd miss a lot.

Epi and LC have started the game strongly quite early. This is unlike the last heist game where they seemed relatively trusting of each other (and were both civvies). It feels genuine at the moment, especially since Epi just went back on his suspicion. We'll see. And I have no idea how Insertnamehere factors into things, but while the jokey atmosphere is not uncommon for day 0, I always feel like it's an easy way for baddies to blend in on day 0 and appear like they have no care in the world. So I'll be keeping an eye here.

Carry on.

This post of FZ's pinged me.

I read it as "This is unlike the last heist game where they were both civvies. I'll call it genuine but make it clear that will change. Their jokes are an indicator they are bad."

Also feels like "They're bad, they're good, they're bad."

It looks like a waffley kind of baddie thing. I vote FZ.

Epignosis wrote:I have voted DrWilgy. I will likely do so until I am satisfied with his production.

Remember that other game where DrWilgy's prosuction never met your standards? Why do you vote him here on Day 1?

Marmot wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I have voted DrWilgy. I will likely do so until I am satisfied with his production.

Remember that other game where DrWilgy's prosuction never met your standards? Why do you vote him here on Day 1?

You did play Blue vs Red right?

DrWilgy wrote:

Marmot wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I have voted DrWilgy. I will likely do so until I am satisfied with his production.

Remember that other game where DrWilgy's prosuction never met your standards? Why do you vote him here on Day 1?

You did play Blue vs Red right?

What's that?

Meow.

I thought the game would have developed some over the night. I appreciate you all helping me with my time management issues. :3

Reads/feels:

Nut:


FZ:


JJJ:


Epi:


MP:


LC:

Luke11646 wrote:Why vote for MP, what has he done to you?

What has he not done to me? Anyway, I forgot to vote in the poll, so I'll just vote FZ instead, cause wagon.

Also, I think you are the only one here I haven't played with - Hi! *frantic waving*

@FZ - Did you play that game on PerC a while back, where Timeless was scum and I wanted to lynch him every day but he wasn't lynched before I was dead and it was sad?

@Nut - Do you have any more or less specific things to your reads or would you say they are more feels based?

Vote FZ

MovingPictures07 wrote:

FZ. wrote:I'm LOL at JJJ trying to Vompatti, but it's going to be a real shame if he actually carries on for too long. If he's good this game, civvie JJJ is a lot more useful than civve Vompatti.

Eloh, Do you have baddie tells for Epi, or is your policy regarding his game similar to his own regarding your game?

I like this day 0 so far. Usually we do nothing until the next day starts.

While I echo your lament for the town if Jay is indeed town, I do think however that he should play however he wants to. In the end, I'm sure he'll be able to give us some assistance in figuring out his alignment.

Can you clarify re: the bolded/underlined portion of your post?

Epi doesn't like to talk about Eloh's alignment tells. I was wondering if Eloh felt the same, and what she thought about his behaviour so far.

Long Con wrote:

FZ. wrote:Hi. I was sure a lot more people would check in by now, and I'd miss a lot.

Epi and LC have started the game strongly quite early. This is unlike the last heist game where they seemed relatively trusting of each other (and were both civvies). It feels genuine at the moment, especially since Epi just went back on his suspicion. We'll see. And I have no idea how Insertnamehere factors into things, but while the jokey atmosphere is not uncommon for day 0, I always feel like it's an easy way for baddies to blend in on day 0 and appear like they have no care in the world. So I'll be keeping an eye here.

Carry on.

This post of FZ's pinged me.

I read it as "This is unlike the last heist game where they were both civvies. I'll call it genuine but make it clear that will change. Their jokes are an indicator they are bad."

Also feels like "They're bad, they're good, they're bad."

It looks like a waffley kind of baddie thing. I vote FZ.

Well it's true. Your interaction did seem very different from last game and coming from my first game after a long break, it was something that stood out. I didn't know what to make of it yet, but I like to say what's on my mind when I read things. And like I said, I'll judge things when I see more.


@linki: Too many cats and I don't even know how to react to that vote.

FZ. wrote:@linki: Too many cats and I don't even know how to react to that vote.

Shock? Andger? Fear? Disguised love and admiration?
But you are the FZ that played on PerC?

I've never played with this cat person. Feels like Vompatty 2. No connection between what is going on, and his own actions.

@linki: What is PerC?

FZ. wrote:I've never played with this cat person. Feels like Vompatty 2. No connection between what is going on, and his own actions.

@linki: What is PerC?

Huh, sorry. PerC is short for PersonalityCafe, which is my "home site", and I could've sworn there was a player called "FZ" that played one game there a while back but then disappeared. If it's not you then you have a mafia playing evil twin name brother or I have a shitty memory.

Dyslexicon wrote:

FZ. wrote:I've never played with this cat person. Feels like Vompatty 2. No connection between what is going on, and his own actions.

@linki: What is PerC?

Huh, sorry. PerC is short for PersonalityCafe, which is my "home site", and I could've sworn there was a player called "FZ" that played one game there a while back but then disappeared. If it's not you then you have a mafia playing evil twin name brother or I have a shitty memory.

Nope, not me.

FZ. wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

FZ. wrote:I've never played with this cat person. Feels like Vompatty 2. No connection between what is going on, and his own actions.

@linki: What is PerC?

Huh, sorry. PerC is short for PersonalityCafe, which is my "home site", and I could've sworn there was a player called "FZ" that played one game there a while back but then disappeared. If it's not you then you have a mafia playing evil twin name brother or I have a shitty memory.

Nope, not me.

Shitty memory confirmed. I just checked and this person was called "FM." and not "FZ." But you may consider a DNA test.

So, what's going on?

Epignosis wrote:I have voted DrWilgy. I will likely do so until I am satisfied with his production.

Wilgy feels like Wilgy.

@linki: Nothing other than you just voted for me for reasons of "bandwagon". WIFOM much? I'm sorry. I don't do well with players who try to fluff their way through the game and use shenanigans. I'm more the straightforward type. So right now, I'm wondering whether you're just fooling around, or if I should just vote you back. In the past, I'd say players wouldn't be that stupid to say bandwagon if they really are doing it, but experience on this site has taught me players are stupid Kidding, but I've learnt that anything goes. So I'm watching you.

I'll be back later.

Well I forgot to vote, and it looks like 10 other people forgot too. Lol

Opps, I thought the poll had ended, I'm stupid.

Floyd, the poll says it runs until today at 5:00PM. Isn't this period supposed to be 48 hours?

Catching up now.

Elohcin wrote:MP, d actually opt for #2.

And wilgy... I'm not bad this game.

Why?

nutella wrote:As usual I'm pretty lost as to where to start and I feel like anyone could be fooling me at this point. I suppose I'm leaning toward civ-reading MP and also agreeing with his civ read of Epi and LC, but those could all be subject to change. I also think Dys and JJJ look good so far. Part of me is tempted to follow Dys's apparent gut suspicion of MP, but as of now I think it's risky because if he is civ he's a valuable one as seen by his early and detailed contributions about strategy. Then again, said strategy post could be seen as sneaky-by-way-of-overt fishing for cop/info claims, but that's kind of a leap. Again I'm leaning civ for him but my Dys read is stronger.

I'm a bit confused regarding these conflicting thoughts. Can you clarify?

Long Con wrote:

FZ. wrote:Hi. I was sure a lot more people would check in by now, and I'd miss a lot.

Epi and LC have started the game strongly quite early. This is unlike the last heist game where they seemed relatively trusting of each other (and were both civvies). It feels genuine at the moment, especially since Epi just went back on his suspicion. We'll see. And I have no idea how Insertnamehere factors into things, but while the jokey atmosphere is not uncommon for day 0, I always feel like it's an easy way for baddies to blend in on day 0 and appear like they have no care in the world. So I'll be keeping an eye here.

Carry on.

This post of FZ's pinged me.

I read it as "This is unlike the last heist game where they were both civvies. I'll call it genuine but make it clear that will change. Their jokes are an indicator they are bad."

Also feels like "They're bad, they're good, they're bad."

It looks like a waffley kind of baddie thing. I vote FZ.

How does it specifically display a nefarious mindset? I'm not sure I follow.

FZ. wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

FZ. wrote:I'm LOL at JJJ trying to Vompatti, but it's going to be a real shame if he actually carries on for too long. If he's good this game, civvie JJJ is a lot more useful than civve Vompatti.

Eloh, Do you have baddie tells for Epi, or is your policy regarding his game similar to his own regarding your game?

I like this day 0 so far. Usually we do nothing until the next day starts.

While I echo your lament for the town if Jay is indeed town, I do think however that he should play however he wants to. In the end, I'm sure he'll be able to give us some assistance in figuring out his alignment.

Can you clarify re: the bolded/underlined portion of your post?

Epi doesn't like to talk about Eloh's alignment tells. I was wondering if Eloh felt the same, and what she thought about his behaviour so far.

Got it, thanks.

Have any reads?

FZ. wrote:I've never played with this cat person. Feels like Vompatty 2. No connection between what is going on, and his own actions.

@linki: What is PerC?

Dizzy is just pressure voting randomly from what I can tell. I wouldn't say that's Vompatti like.

FZ. wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I have voted DrWilgy. I will likely do so until I am satisfied with his production.

Wilgy feels like Wilgy.

@linki: Nothing other than you just voted for me for reasons of "bandwagon". WIFOM much? I'm sorry. I don't do well with players who try to fluff their way through the game and use shenanigans. I'm more the straightforward type. So right now, I'm wondering whether you're just fooling around, or if I should just vote you back. In the past, I'd say players wouldn't be that stupid to say bandwagon if they really are doing it, but experience on this site has taught me players are stupid Kidding, but I've learnt that anything goes. So I'm watching you.

What specifically are you trying to convey about Dizzy in this post re: alignment?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

FZ. wrote:Hi. I was sure a lot more people would check in by now, and I'd miss a lot.

Epi and LC have started the game strongly quite early. This is unlike the last heist game where they seemed relatively trusting of each other (and were both civvies). It feels genuine at the moment, especially since Epi just went back on his suspicion. We'll see. And I have no idea how Insertnamehere factors into things, but while the jokey atmosphere is not uncommon for day 0, I always feel like it's an easy way for baddies to blend in on day 0 and appear like they have no care in the world. So I'll be keeping an eye here.

Carry on.

This post of FZ's pinged me.

I read it as "This is unlike the last heist game where they were both civvies. I'll call it genuine but make it clear that will change. Their jokes are an indicator they are bad."

Also feels like "They're bad, they're good, they're bad."

It looks like a waffley kind of baddie thing. I vote FZ.

How does it specifically display a nefarious mindset? I'm not sure I follow.

Well...

MovingPictures07 wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I have voted DrWilgy. I will likely do so until I am satisfied with his production.

Wilgy feels like Wilgy.

@linki: Nothing other than you just voted for me for reasons of "bandwagon". WIFOM much? I'm sorry. I don't do well with players who try to fluff their way through the game and use shenanigans. I'm more the straightforward type. So right now, I'm wondering whether you're just fooling around, or if I should just vote you back. In the past, I'd say players wouldn't be that stupid to say bandwagon if they really are doing it, but experience on this site has taught me players are stupid Kidding, but I've learnt that anything goes. So I'm watching you.

What specifically are you trying to convey about Dizzy in this post re: alignment?

...exactly.

Also, MP, you are on my list for using "specifically" in the last sentence of both these posts.

I don't really understand why only LC and Elo wanted to talk strategy, but OK. If we don't provide any concerted effort to give cover for the Cop, we're just making this game potentially harder on us all, but I don't want to claim if it's just going to be me and LC.

How about a POE rainbow?

Dyslexicon
Epignosis
Long Con
Luke11646

DrWilgy
Elohcin
FZ.
JaggedJimmyJay
Marmot
insertnamehere
nutella
speedchuck

I see, LC, so you're asserting that FZ. is speaking verbosely but not really saying anything? I agree with that assessment.

I'll join you there for now until she can adequately answer my concerns.

Vote FZ.

FZ. wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I have voted DrWilgy. I will likely do so until I am satisfied with his production.

Wilgy feels like Wilgy.

@linki: Nothing other than you just voted for me for reasons of "bandwagon". WIFOM much? I'm sorry. I don't do well with players who try to fluff their way through the game and use shenanigans. I'm more the straightforward type. So right now, I'm wondering whether you're just fooling around, or if I should just vote you back. In the past, I'd say players wouldn't be that stupid to say bandwagon if they really are doing it, but experience on this site has taught me players are stupid Kidding, but I've learnt that anything goes. So I'm watching you.

But bandwagons are fun. Plus it's kind of the name of the game. And this is my serious face ---> I really was wanting to post only cat gifs after my whiskers detected some cat hate around here. You actually remind me a bit of FM. which is kind of funny in a funny way.

@MP - Is Luke a regular Cindy Kate? Do you have meta on him given your town read?

Also, regarding cop cover strategies - I'm used to players doing peeks automatically in this setup, though not before later in the day I suppose. I'm pretty neutral to this, as my philosophy is more that of the actual scum hunting and play regardless of power roles is what wins the game (though obviously I can see the glory of power roles, I just don't like to lean on it too much). I'll just go with the majority, I agree we should either all peek or all not do it. I've always had the feeling that starting the peeking from D2 or D3 may be the optimal strategy, but that is just an idea based on not much.

Dyslexicon wrote:@MP - Is Luke a regular Cindy Kate? Do you have meta on him given your town read?

Also, regarding cop cover strategies - I'm used to players doing peeks automatically in this setup, though not before later in the day I suppose. I'm pretty neutral to this, as my philosophy is more that of the actual scum hunting and play regardless of power roles is what wins the game (though obviously I can see the glory of power roles, I just don't like to lean on it too much). I'll just go with the majority, I agree we should either all peek or all not do it. I've always had the feeling that starting the peeking from D2 or D3 may be the optimal strategy, but that is just an idea based on not much.

Luke actually has very little experience playing here, and what he has tried has ended with him either lurking pretty hard or getting replaced if memory serves correctly. That's why I precisely was swift in giving him a town read in actually coming in here to the thread and inquiring about your read of me. Nonetheless, he'll have to keep asking and contributing to stay there. Just a real quick gut feel re: his placement; I have no meta basis for it.

I can completely understand your perspective on the cop cover strategy. I don't want to distract from hunting myself; I do think that should be the focus. I just know when I was hosting these kinds of setups I always thought it was strategically unwise for towns that don't even talk about or consider cop cover. I think it's because many people here aren't used to playing this kind of setup still, so that's why I wanted to make an effort to engage folks in this discussion this time.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Luke actually has very little experience playing here, and what he has tried has ended with him either lurking pretty hard or getting replaced if memory serves correctly. That's why I precisely was swift in giving him a town read in actually coming in here to the thread and inquiring about your read of me. Nonetheless, he'll have to keep asking and contributing to stay there. Just a real quick gut feel re: his placement; I have no meta basis for it.

I can completely understand your perspective on the cop cover strategy. I don't want to distract from hunting myself; I do think that should be the focus. I just know when I was hosting these kinds of setups I always thought it was strategically unwise for towns that don't even talk about or consider cop cover. I think it's because many people here aren't used to playing this kind of setup still, so that's why I wanted to make an effort to engage folks in this discussion this time.

Aight, thanks for the infos. And now I remember this guy names Luke that also played exactly one game on PerC and disappeared, but I'm pretty sure he was a PerC forum regular and not the same person as this one. Ghosts.

To be clear(er), I'm in support of doing peeks, as I think there's a reason that it's normally done when people are familiar with this setup, it's probably a good idea. But if we can't gather everyone to agree to it then it's probably better to just continue as normal. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Dyslexicon votes for FZ.

FZ responds in under 5 minutes.


That said, I agree with the feelz that Meester Long Con describes in that one post where he talked about FZ and voted her, so

nutella wrote:As usual I'm pretty lost as to where to start and I feel like anyone could be fooling me at this point. I suppose I'm leaning toward civ-reading MP and also agreeing with his civ read of Epi and LC, but those could all be subject to change. I also think Dys and JJJ look good so far. Part of me is tempted to follow Dys's apparent gut suspicion of MP, but as of now I think it's risky because if he is civ he's a valuable one as seen by his early and detailed contributions about strategy. Then again, said strategy post could be seen as sneaky-by-way-of-overt fishing for cop/info claims, but that's kind of a leap. Again I'm leaning civ for him but my Dys read is stronger.

There's so much I find disagreeable with this post.

"As usual." This is a preface to tell us that what follows is superfluous.

"Anyone can be fooling me at this point." At this point? It's the beginning of Day 1. Hardly anyone has said anything to persuade you one way or another about anything.

You are leaning toward MP being good and LC and me as well by proxy, but "those could all be subject to change." Why wouldn't that be subject to change? Why is it important to tell everyone that your opinions could change?

You think Dys is good and by proxy think MP is bad, yet you give no reason why you might disagree with your previous sentence.

I don't know why in the world anyone would think JJJ is good. He has done nothing to warrant that opinion. He is acting like another Syndicate member, which is exactly what he said he was going to do before he received his role.

"Could be seen." Weasel words.

"Kind of a leap." There's no point in raising a perspective and then discrediting it in the same breath.

Overall, this is a huge post full of equivocation.

nutella

MP
Epi
Marmot
Long Con
JaggedJimmyJay
insertnamehere
Dyslexicon
Luke11646
nutella
FZ
DrWilgy
Eloh

Do do doot do... I'm here. What's up, guys?

Most of my reads are based on what others have said, as well as my sense of when posts feel really fake or genuine. Those feels are what sends my nutella read higher than Epi's, and my Wilgy/Eloh reads lower than most.

whur is everyone

speedchuck wrote:whur is everyone

Hi.

speedchuck wrote:Most of my reads are based on what others have said, as well as my sense of when posts feel really fake or genuine. Those feels are what sends my nutella read higher than Epi's, and my Wilgy/Eloh reads lower than most.

You think Eloh and Wilgy are not being genuine?

DrWilgy wrote:JaggedJimmyJomps has been hacked by Vomps!

What a twiiiiiiiist!!!

Mafia, plz don't kill me early. I had to move away from my Wilgette and need this to keep my mind busy.

(and I'm still most definitely a doctor... just a zonked one...

So, who is bad?

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I also like the way LC handled all of that conversation, looking into it more intently.

I'd say I have two town reads already then. Cool.

What about me? What about me?

I can't fully explain the gut feel, but these two posts gave me bad vibes. Wilgy addressing the mafia sounded suuper fake, which may have been the point, but my gut doesn't like it.
I also just get the willies anytime someone begs for an early read from a trusted towny, probably even more so when it's masked by jest.

These two posts seem jokey, of course, but I get a non-genuine feel from them. And on D1, that's enough to shove someone to the bottom of the heap.

Oh good, we should have 30 hours left. I was worried. Though I guess I should still worry about the poll ending tonight.

speedchuck wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:What if I told you that the fact you keep excusing your lack of activity reminds me of something I do across both alignments but feel more pressure to do when I'm mafia versus town?

I'd applaud your self-awareness.

speedchuck, du hast auf diese Frage von MP mit einer Art freundlichen Snark geantwortet, der auf mich schaut, wie ein Versuch, die Behauptung zu entwaffnen, ohne es zu adressieren. Sie waren in ähnlicher Weise abweisend als Antwort auf meinen eigenen willkürlichen Verdacht. Könnten Sie bitte die Frage ansprechen?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

speedchuck wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:What if I told you that the fact you keep excusing your lack of activity reminds me of something I do across both alignments but feel more pressure to do when I'm mafia versus town?

I'd applaud your self-awareness.

speedchuck, du hast auf diese Frage von MP mit einer Art freundlichen Snark geantwortet, der auf mich schaut, wie ein Versuch, die Behauptung zu entwaffnen, ohne es zu adressieren. Sie waren in ähnlicher Weise abweisend als Antwort auf meinen eigenen willkürlichen Verdacht. Könnten Sie bitte die Frage ansprechen?

Ernst:
Meine Meta ist nicht die gleiche wie die Meta von MP. Ich mag die Leute gerne wissen, wann ich aktiv sein werde, also können sie mit mir interagieren. Es ist etwas, was ich gewöhnlich mache. Ich antwortete mit snark, weil die Frage des Parlaments mehr wie sinnloser Druck als eine Frage klang.