The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 11:38 am**

We'll only have a basis on who to trust once a verdict has come in.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 11:43 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 11:38 am We'll only have a basis on who to trust once a verdict has come in.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 11:46 am**

Put me on your team, [mention]DharmaHelper[/mention] , and I'll approve it.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 11:59 am**

[mention]insertnamehere[/mention] If we go a full cycle without an agreed upon team are we doing the usual Coup/Avalon/Resistance thing of automatically pushing a jury through?

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 12:04 pm**

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 11:46 am Put me on your team, @DharmaHelper , and I'll approve it.

I wasn't even planning on approving my own team

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 12:08 pm**

I will approve (starting next vote) Any team that does contain scotty but does not contain Speedchuck

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 12:20 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 11:59 am @insertnamehere If we go a full cycle without an agreed upon team are we doing the usual Coup/Avalon/Resistance thing of automatically pushing a jury through?

No, we are not.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 12:22 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:08 pm I will approve (starting next vote) Any team that does contain scotty but does not contain Speedchuck

i second this, but vice versa. because im a little shit

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 12:29 pm**

Meh, without any form of hammer I may start approving teams just to move things along and get a baseline of some info.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 12:49 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:08 pm I will approve (starting next vote) Any team that does contain scotty but does not contain Speedchuck

Convenient timing.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 12:50 pm**

EdJou wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:49 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:08 pm I will approve (starting next vote) Any team that does contain scotty but does not contain Speedchuck
Convenient timing.

I did my number crunching and guesswork after your nominations.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 12:53 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:04 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 11:46 am Put me on your team, @DharmaHelper , and I'll approve it.
I wasn't even planning on approving my own team

Why? You should pick a team that you would approve then.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 12:54 pm**

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:53 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:04 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 11:46 am Put me on your team, @DharmaHelper , and I'll approve it.
I wasn't even planning on approving my own team
Why? You should pick a team that you would approve then.

Well I'm like the 3rd team leader, so not a lot to go on once I get my picks. Anyway, I may approve my team now that I know for sure there's no auto-team thing.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:04 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:04 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 11:46 am Put me on your team, @DharmaHelper , and I'll approve it.
I wasn't even planning on approving my own team

Ew. Virtue signalling, anti-town play. Any team with you on it (if you are town) it statistically more likely to win than a team without you on it. This is not ideal play. It just is supposed to look good.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:08 pm I will approve (starting next vote) Any team that does contain scotty but does not contain Speedchuck

Ew. Arbitrary choice, anti-town play. Because I'm town.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:05 pm**

We're playing Avalon now boys. I know how this game works. I'm not a crow anymore.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:06 pm**

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:22 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:08 pm I will approve (starting next vote) Any team that does contain scotty but does not contain Speedchuck
i second this, but vice versa. because im a little shit

Also arbitrary, but a better choice. At least you admitted the reason.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:07 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:04 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:04 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 11:46 am Put me on your team, @DharmaHelper , and I'll approve it.
I wasn't even planning on approving my own team
Ew. Virtue signalling, anti-town play. Any team with you on it (if you are town) it statistically more likely to win than a team without you on it. This is not ideal play. It just is supposed to look good.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:08 pm I will approve (starting next vote) Any team that does contain scotty but does not contain Speedchuck
Ew. Arbitrary choice, anti-town play. Because I'm town.

As Luke Skywalker once said, "Wow, Impressive. Every word you just said was wrong."

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:11 pm**

EdJou wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 8:38 am I nominate
EdJou
M Plus
Scotty
Daisy

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 10:21 am [VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: APPROVE] aubergine

Any team with you on it (if you are town) it statistically more likely to win than a team without you on it

Fun that you voted to approve a team that (were you a town/civ player) would be statistically more likely to fail.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:14 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 10:56 am anyway if I was going to approve something in the first round it would probably have me on it so it's not 4 total unknowns

[VOTE: disapprove] aubergine

This line of thinking is going to push this game into the next millennium

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:15 pm**

EdJou wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 11:28 am I think continually downvoting is advantageous to the criminals. Maybe I'm wrong.

Depends. The longer the game goes on, the more information each team has in finding the leader.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:16 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:08 pm I will approve (starting next vote) Any team that does contain scotty but does not contain Speedchuck

Why me? And why speed?

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:18 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:16 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:08 pm I will approve (starting next vote) Any team that does contain scotty but does not contain Speedchuck
Why me? And why speed?

You voted to approve a team I was on so I'll do that for you, and Speed voted to approve a team he admitted would be more likely to fail if he was a civ.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:19 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:18 pm [quote=Scotty post_id=435886 time=<a href="tel:1525195019">1525195019</a> user_id=410]
[quote=DharmaHelper post_id=435868 time=<a href="tel:1525190881">1525190881</a> user_id=181]
I will approve (starting next vote) Any team that does contain scotty but does not contain Speedchuck

Why me? And why speed?
[/quote]

You voted to approve a team I was on so I'll do that for you, and Speed voted to approve a team he admitted would be more likely to fail if he was a civ.
[/quote]
Oh I’m just approving willy nilly, cause I don’t know shit.

However, I don’t think I want a team with you on it.

[VOTE: approve] aubergine

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:21 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:05 pm We're playing Avalon now boys. I know how this game works. I'm not a crow anymore.

Do you play where mordred usually floats? Or just yolo with multiple baddies on a mission?

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:23 pm**

However, I don’t think I want a team with you on it.

Why

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:25 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:11 pm
EdJou wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 8:38 am I nominate
EdJou
M Plus
Scotty
Daisy

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 10:21 am [VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: APPROVE] aubergine

Any team with you on it (if you are town) it statistically more likely to win than a team without you on it
Fun that you voted to approve a team that (were you a town/civ player) would be statistically more likely to fail.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:14 pm This line of thinking is going to push this game into the next millennium

We have no information.

You NOT approving a team with you on it is very different than me APPROVING a team I'm not on.

Mostly because I will approve every team until we get past the first mission.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:26 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:21 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:05 pm We're playing Avalon now boys. I know how this game works. I'm not a crow anymore.
Do you play where mordred usually floats? Or just yolo with multiple baddies on a mission?

I don't actually know what you mean by 'floats.' I've technically played the Resistance more than Avalon.

Multiple baddies per mission is not a problem in this game. Open BTSC.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:29 pm**

It's 4-4 right now. If Daisy votes yes, It'll be 5-4. If Golden and Sprit hold to their previous votes it'll be 5-6 with the jury just missing.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:31 pm**

Townreads:

EdJou wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 11:28 am I think continually downvoting is advantageous to the criminals. Maybe I'm wrong.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 10:57 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 10:54 am also we do have open btsc yeah? idk exactly how we can use that to suss people out but we can try
Seems like a good way for Mafia to get Civs on their side with some sweet and clever words. Beware agreeing to anything to someone who assures you they're Civ.

These guys.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:32 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:29 pm It's 4-4 right now. If Daisy votes yes, It'll be 5-4. If Golden and Sprit hold to their previous votes it'll be 5-6 with the jury just missing.

Yes dear reader, I did excuse Mp's vote because I doubt he will vote.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:36 pm**

We have no information.

You NOT approving a team with you on it is very different than me APPROVING a team I'm not on.

Mostly because I will approve every team until we get past the first mission.

Having an early team get through without having a great many nominations restricts information. If I were like, the 5th or 6th or 7th Team Leader I would approve my team no questions asked but I'm 3rd so there aren't many nominations before me. I want to see who everyone nominates or failing that as many nominees as possible. That's information. Blindly approving teams runs the risk of the criminal team putting up a big ol' stinker.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:39 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:26 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:21 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:05 pm We're playing Avalon now boys. I know how this game works. I'm not a crow anymore.
Do you play where mordred usually floats? Or just yolo with multiple baddies on a mission?
I don't actually know what you mean by 'floats.' I've technically played the Resistance more than Avalon.

Multiple baddies per mission is not a problem in this game. Open BTSC.

Oh riiiiight I keep forgetting that aspect.

I really just wanna play Avalon again

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:40 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:23 pm
However, I don’t think I want a team with you on it.
Why

Because I’m getting an off vibe from you this game, like you’re being all helpful and buddy buddy and it’s makijg me uncomfy

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:42 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:36 pm
We have no information.

You NOT approving a team with you on it is very different than me APPROVING a team I'm not on.

Mostly because I will approve every team until we get past the first mission.

Having an early team get through without having a great many nominations restricts information. If I were like, the 5th or 6th or 7th Team Leader I would approve my team no questions asked but I'm 3rd so there aren't many nominations before me. I want to see who everyone nominates or failing that as many nominees as possible. That's information. Blindly approving teams runs the risk of the criminal team putting up a big ol' stinker.

I'll think about it.

The meta where I come from basically has it where the scum always let the first mission pass, because later missions are much harder if you can't trust any information from mission one. And with a limited number of team selections, and with simultaneous votes, it's much easier just to get on with it.

But there is no meta here.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:43 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:40 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:23 pm
However, I don’t think I want a team with you on it.
Why
Because I’m getting an off vibe from you this game, like you’re being all helpful and buddy buddy and it’s makijg me uncomfy

Clearly he should be threatening us all with a bat.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:46 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:40 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:23 pm
However, I don’t think I want a team with you on it.
Why
Because I’m getting an off vibe from you this game, like you’re being all helpful and buddy buddy and it’s makijg me uncomfy

I'm trying to be helpful because I want to win, and I have some experience with this game that a handful of other people seem to have, but I would say a good majority of us don't. I wouldn't call myself an expert or a master of the game or anything but I know some tips and tricks that could mean the difference between me sitting on a pile of garnets or me being eliminated. So yeah.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:51 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:43 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:40 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:23 pm
However, I don’t think I want a team with you on it.
Why
Because I’m getting an off vibe from you this game, like you’re being all helpful and buddy buddy and it’s makijg me uncomfy
Clearly he should be threatening us all with a bat.

I disagree.

But he isn’t. That’s what’s troubling me

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:52 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:46 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:40 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:23 pm
However, I don’t think I want a team with you on it.
Why
Because I’m getting an off vibe from you this game, like you’re being all helpful and buddy buddy and it’s makijg me uncomfy
I'm trying to be helpful because I want to win, and I have some experience with this game that a handful of other people seem to have, but I would say a good majority of us don't. I wouldn't call myself an expert or a master of the game or anything but I know some tips and tricks that could mean the difference between me sitting on a pile of garnets or me being eliminated. So yeah.

I hear you. I’m just having trouble marrying this you to past you. It could just be i need new glasses, or I’m just highly guarded at first with some people. You could be good, I dunno. I just don’t trust you off the bat

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:55 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:51 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:43 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:40 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:23 pm
However, I don’t think I want a team with you on it.
Why
Because I’m getting an off vibe from you this game, like you’re being all helpful and buddy buddy and it’s makijg me uncomfy
Clearly he should be threatening us all with a bat.
I disagree.

But he isn’t. That’s what’s troubling me

You just aren't going to be happy. I like that.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:56 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:42 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:36 pm
We have no information.

You NOT approving a team with you on it is very different than me APPROVING a team I'm not on.

Mostly because I will approve every team until we get past the first mission.

Having an early team get through without having a great many nominations restricts information. If I were like, the 5th or 6th or 7th Team Leader I would approve my team no questions asked but I'm 3rd so there aren't many nominations before me. I want to see who everyone nominates or failing that as many nominees as possible. That's information. Blindly approving teams runs the risk of the criminal team putting up a big ol' stinker.
I'll think about it.

The meta where I come from basically has it where the scum always let the first mission pass, because later missions are much harder if you can't trust any information from mission one. And with a limited number of team selections, and with simultaneous votes, it's much easier just to get on with it.

But there is no meta here.

The more I started playing with the same people, the more I found that they fell into complacency with the first mission passing and succeeding: if it happened to be approved wholeheartedly, and succeeded, then the next mission would usually be an identical proposal just to see if it passed again (“logic states”), so this usually ends up being the beat course of action for bad guys.

If the first mission fails in this game, I’d be actually surprised.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 1:57 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:55 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:51 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:43 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:40 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:23 pm
However, I don’t think I want a team with you on it.
Why
Because I’m getting an off vibe from you this game, like you’re being all helpful and buddy buddy and it’s makijg me uncomfy
Clearly he should be threatening us all with a bat.
I disagree.

But he isn’t. That’s what’s troubling me
You just aren't going to be happy. I like that.

You like when I’m not happy?

Elizabeth? Is that you?

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 2:18 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:52 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:46 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:40 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:23 pm
However, I don’t think I want a team with you on it.
Why
Because I’m getting an off vibe from you this game, like you’re being all helpful and buddy buddy and it’s makijg me uncomfy
I'm trying to be helpful because I want to win, and I have some experience with this game that a handful of other people seem to have, but I would say a good majority of us don't. I wouldn't call myself an expert or a master of the game or anything but I know some tips and tricks that could mean the difference between me sitting on a pile of garnets or me being eliminated. So yeah.
I hear you. I’m just having trouble marrying this you to past you. It could just be i need new glasses, or I’m just highly guarded at first with some people. You could be good, I dunno. I just don’t trust you off the bat

Same reason you're not traipsing about this game threatening to eat people unless they give you a garnet.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 2:27 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 2:18 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:52 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:46 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:40 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:23 pm
However, I don’t think I want a team with you on it.
Why
Because I’m getting an off vibe from you this game, like you’re being all helpful and buddy buddy and it’s makijg me uncomfy
I'm trying to be helpful because I want to win, and I have some experience with this game that a handful of other people seem to have, but I would say a good majority of us don't. I wouldn't call myself an expert or a master of the game or anything but I know some tips and tricks that could mean the difference between me sitting on a pile of garnets or me being eliminated. So yeah.
I hear you. I’m just having trouble marrying this you to past you. It could just be i need new glasses, or I’m just highly guarded at first with some people. You could be good, I dunno. I just don’t trust you off the bat
Same reason you're not traipsing about this game threatening to eat people unless they give you a garnet.

What’s the same reason?

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 2:29 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 2:27 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 2:18 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:52 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:46 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:40 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:23 pm
However, I don’t think I want a team with you on it.
Why
Because I’m getting an off vibe from you this game, like you’re being all helpful and buddy buddy and it’s makijg me uncomfy
I'm trying to be helpful because I want to win, and I have some experience with this game that a handful of other people seem to have, but I would say a good majority of us don't. I wouldn't call myself an expert or a master of the game or anything but I know some tips and tricks that could mean the difference between me sitting on a pile of garnets or me being eliminated. So yeah.
I hear you. I’m just having trouble marrying this you to past you. It could just be i need new glasses, or I’m just highly guarded at first with some people. You could be good, I dunno. I just don’t trust you off the bat
Same reason you're not traipsing about this game threatening to eat people unless they give you a garnet.
What’s the same reason?

As to why I'm not swinging my bat around this game.

New game new rules is my point.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 2:32 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 2:29 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 2:27 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 2:18 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:52 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:46 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:40 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:23 pm

Why
Because I’m getting an off vibe from you this game, like you’re being all helpful and buddy buddy and it’s makijg me uncomfy
I'm trying to be helpful because I want to win, and I have some experience with this game that a handful of other people seem to have, but I would say a good majority of us don't. I wouldn't call myself an expert or a master of the game or anything but I know some tips and tricks that could mean the difference between me sitting on a pile of garnets or me being eliminated. So yeah.
I hear you. I’m just having trouble marrying this you to past you. It could just be i need new glasses, or I’m just highly guarded at first with some people. You could be good, I dunno. I just don’t trust you off the bat
Same reason you're not traipsing about this game threatening to eat people unless they give you a garnet.
What’s the same reason?
As to why I'm not swinging my bat around this game.

New game new rules is my point.

10-4

Y’all remember MP? I guess we just skip him in the voting process entirely this game lol

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 2:44 pm**

RIP MP

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 2:46 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:07 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:04 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:04 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 11:46 am Put me on your team, @DharmaHelper , and I'll approve it.
I wasn't even planning on approving my own team
Ew. Virtue signalling, anti-town play. Any team with you on it (if you are town) it statistically more likely to win than a team without you on it. This is not ideal play. It just is supposed to look good.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:08 pm I will approve (starting next vote) Any team that does contain scotty but does not contain Speedchuck
Ew. Arbitrary choice, anti-town play. Because I'm town.

As Luke Skywalker once said, "Wow, Impressive. Every word you just said was wrong."

And then he died.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 2:47 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:52 pmI just don’t trust you off the bat

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 2:49 pm**

[VOTE: Disapprove] aubergine

I think MP finishes his dissertation today. I'm not going to agree to a team with him with him in it just in the next day or so in case he can't participate.

I do like speed's idea of 'just getting on with it' but agreeing to a team with MP in it isn't going to do that. I'm still honestly not sure why we wouldn't have just approved speed's team, the whole 'avalon meta' thing confuses the hell out of me.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2018 2:52 pm**

4-5 currently in favor of scrapping the team.

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