The Syndicate

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:22 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 4:27 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:15 pm I think he's jealous and/or skeptical of your claim to be able to read Colin. Which I sympathize with. Tell us your secrets.
Not just Colin, people in general.

Is this just one of those philosophical debates we have?

I am good at reading people generally. There’s a reason I have my supatown rep to begin with. It’s not because I’m loud.

But also, as a general rule, I don’t think it’s possible to claim people cannot be read. Glorfindel may be at one end of a spectrum, but few people are truly neutral.

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:24 pm**

Sanggolden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:22 pm Is this just one of those philosophical debates we have?

No.

I wasn't denying you, it's just that you said "let's vote for people we can read" and my reaction to it was "eh... I think I'll pass"

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:33 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:24 pm
Sanggolden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:22 pm Is this just one of those philosophical debates we have?
No.

I wasn't denying you, it's just that you said "let's vote for people we can read" and my reaction to it was "eh... I think I'll pass"

Why?

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:43 pm**

Cuz there isn't a single person I'm confident I can easily read.

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:48 pm**

Seeing as this is a text based game reading is pretty important so I would hope everybody here can read.

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:32 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 4:33 pm Epi is only voting for people who have zero votes and being silent about it.

Why?

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:41 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:43 pm Cuz there isn't a single person I'm confident I can easily read.

Good answer

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:48 pm**

i want to do crime!!!

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:16 pm**

For future captains,

I'm a good worker.

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:37 pm**

hihi checking in, voted.
I'd like [mention]Glorfindel[/mention] to be captain tbh.

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:39 pm**

Aw hell I might not get to be a captain.

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:52 pm**

I just busted me and DH out of this tie

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:53 pm**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:52 pm I just busted me and DH out of this tie

A true hero.

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:55 pm**

glorfindel hasn't actually posted yet, is he around

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:26 pm**

DH! Hang on, I got ya buddy. I found this laying around somewhere... with the proper application of this red sharpie marker.... yup... got it!

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:30 pm**

SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:26 pm DH! Hang on, I got ya buddy. I found this laying around somewhere... with the proper application of this red sharpie marker.... yup... got it!

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:37 pm**

LOL - Because its fun?

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:39 pm**

SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:37 pm LOL - Because its fun?

Fair enough.

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:42 pm**

I don't care about captain nonsense.

I'd rather find mafia.

I already found one.

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:45 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:42 pm I don't care about captain nonsense.

I'd rather find mafia.

I already found one.

I promise if this is true I will change either my avatar or signature or both to whatever you want me to change them to for a whole month.

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:48 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:42 pm I don't care about captain nonsense.

I'd rather find mafia.

I already found one.

Are you going to dish on your suspicion?

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:51 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:45 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:42 pm I don't care about captain nonsense.

I'd rather find mafia.

I already found one.
I promise if this is true I will change either my avatar or signature or both to whatever you want me to change them to for a whole month.

I really don't care about your avatar or signature.

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:53 pm**

Sanggolden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:42 pm I don't care about captain nonsense.

I'd rather find mafia.

I already found one.
Are you going to dish on your suspicion?

I'm going to bide my time.

Carry on people. Interact among yourselves however you would.

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:54 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:51 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:45 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:42 pm I don't care about captain nonsense.

I'd rather find mafia.

I already found one.
I promise if this is true I will change either my avatar or signature or both to whatever you want me to change them to for a whole month.
I really don't care about your avatar or signature.

Almost as little as I care about "I caught a mafia already"

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:55 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:54 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:51 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:45 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:42 pm I don't care about captain nonsense.

I'd rather find mafia.

I already found one.
I promise if this is true I will change either my avatar or signature or both to whatever you want me to change them to for a whole month.
I really don't care about your avatar or signature.
Almost as little as I care about "I caught a mafia already"

DDL is mafia.

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:59 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:55 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:54 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:51 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:45 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:42 pm I don't care about captain nonsense.

I'd rather find mafia.

I already found one.
I promise if this is true I will change either my avatar or signature or both to whatever you want me to change them to for a whole month.
I really don't care about your avatar or signature.
Almost as little as I care about "I caught a mafia already"
DDL is mafia.

Snap

But for me it's just a vibe atm. He answered my questions well and fairly so far... I have my eye there though.

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:01 pm**

And now I'm not one of the top four any more

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:04 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:35 am Man it looks like I went with the popular choices, but I swear I had those people in mind before the thread opened. Guess the rest of you had similar ideas.

When I read this, I chuckled to myself and thought, "If I were bad, I'd be going after nutella for looking like she cared how she looked."

Then I waited to see if anyone did.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:56 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:35 am Man it looks like I went with the popular choices, but I swear I had those people in mind before the thread opened. Guess the rest of you had similar ideas.
This post also gives me bad vibes, seems overly worried with how others will view your votes.

Bingo.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 4:33 pm Epi is only voting for people who have zero votes and being silent about it.

Why?

This is a spin on "Epignosis is being quiet, and is therefore bad."

He doesn't say that, but that's the spirit of the post. DDL states a fact that should seem incriminating and waits for someone else to fill in the blanks.

It's subtle: He is talking about me rather than talking to me, and thus inviting discussion about me rather than engaging me directly.

Moreover, what am I supposed to address? That I'm not posting more about the fact that I clearly voted for the people who had zero votes?

DDL is mafia.

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:15 pm**

Question epi: What was your reasoning for giving people with no other votes, votes?

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:17 pm**

Sanggolden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:15 pm Question epi: What was your reasoning for giving people with no other votes, votes?

Reasoning?

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:18 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:17 pm
Sanggolden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:15 pm Question epi: What was your reasoning for giving people with no other votes, votes?
Reasoning?

What was in your mind?

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:19 pm**

I agree it's a bad look for DDL. His votes are completely arbitrary, you can't expect a lot more from a Day 0 poll, but he still awkwardly emphasizes the completely normal ways in which nutella and Epi voted.

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:19 pm**

So I particularly noticed the nut thing too. But to add to that, I didn't particularly love the way he went about challenging my reasons for voting who I was voting. By not being clear and specific, it felt like he was undermining the idea of electing captains who were readable - it seems to me that reducing the value in objective criteria for voting and increasing the scope for 'I'm voting for people that I feel like voting for' increases the scope for mafia manipulation. I was aiming to create somewhat of a consensus about both approach to voting and people, but that hasn't happened. For instance, I don't love THs votes at all - maybe it's biased because he has essentially removed me from top 4, but they also feel manipulative to me - and it's possible to do.

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:20 pm**

Sanggolden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:18 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:17 pm
Sanggolden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:15 pm Question epi: What was your reasoning for giving people with no other votes, votes?
Reasoning?
What was in your mind?

There wasn't anything in my mind. It was something to do to pass the time.

The only captain I care about is named Morgan.

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:22 pm**

Sanggolden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:19 pm So I particularly noticed the nut thing too. But to add to that, I didn't particularly love the way he went about challenging my reasons for voting who I was voting. By not being clear and specific, it felt like he was undermining the idea of electing captains who were readable - it seems to me that reducing the value in objective criteria for voting and increasing the scope for 'I'm voting for people that I feel like voting for' increases the scope for mafia manipulation. I was aiming to create somewhat of a consensus about both approach to voting and people, but that hasn't happened. For instance, I don't love THs votes at all - maybe it's biased because he has essentially removed me from top 4, but they also feel manipulative to me - and it's possible to do.

If you want back in the running, take your vote off Glorfindel and place it on yourself.

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:23 pm**

Does it really make that big a difference who the captains are, though? Won't you still have to read them in the same way as any other player? If anything, and using your logic, if you want to be captain and you're voting for people you know you can read wouldn't you necessarily be placing them in opposite crews where you get less access to them? The voting strategy confuses me. @Golden

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:25 pm**

Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:23 pm Does it really make that big a difference who the captains are, though? Won't you still have to read them in the same way as any other player? If anything, and using your logic, if you want to be captain and you're voting for people you know you can read wouldn't you necessarily be placing them in opposite crews where you get less access to them? The voting strategy confuses me. @Golden

Why do I get less access to them? They are still in the thread where I can read everything they say, right? I might not get to pull the trigger on a mutiny if one is bad, but I'd only be one vote in any event. The idea is giving us the most and best info about whether a mutiny is a good idea.

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:26 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:22 pm
Sanggolden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:19 pm So I particularly noticed the nut thing too. But to add to that, I didn't particularly love the way he went about challenging my reasons for voting who I was voting. By not being clear and specific, it felt like he was undermining the idea of electing captains who were readable - it seems to me that reducing the value in objective criteria for voting and increasing the scope for 'I'm voting for people that I feel like voting for' increases the scope for mafia manipulation. I was aiming to create somewhat of a consensus about both approach to voting and people, but that hasn't happened. For instance, I don't love THs votes at all - maybe it's biased because he has essentially removed me from top 4, but they also feel manipulative to me - and it's possible to do.
If you want back in the running, take your vote off Glorfindel and place it on yourself.

If Glorf doesn't show up or if he shows up and doesn't want to be captain I will do that. But if he shows up and does want to be captain - I think he's legitimately the best choice on the board.

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:30 pm**

Also epi, I can't vote myself twice

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:32 pm**

Sanggolden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:25 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:23 pm Does it really make that big a difference who the captains are, though? Won't you still have to read them in the same way as any other player? If anything, and using your logic, if you want to be captain and you're voting for people you know you can read wouldn't you necessarily be placing them in opposite crews where you get less access to them? The voting strategy confuses me. @Golden
Why do I get less access to them? They are still in the thread where I can read everything they say, right? I might not get to pull the trigger on a mutiny if one is bad, but I'd only be one vote in any event. The idea is giving us the most and best info about whether a mutiny is a good idea.

Makes sense, thanks. I don't think we should undervalue our "just one vote"s too much though, crews are small.

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:33 pm**

Sanggolden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:30 pm Also epi, I can't vote myself twice

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:14 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:04 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:35 am Man it looks like I went with the popular choices, but I swear I had those people in mind before the thread opened. Guess the rest of you had similar ideas.
When I read this, I chuckled to myself and thought, "If I were bad, I'd be going after nutella for looking like she cared how she looked."

Then I waited to see if anyone did.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:56 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:35 am Man it looks like I went with the popular choices, but I swear I had those people in mind before the thread opened. Guess the rest of you had similar ideas.
This post also gives me bad vibes, seems overly worried with how others will view your votes.
Bingo.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 4:33 pm Epi is only voting for people who have zero votes and being silent about it.

Why?
This is a spin on "Epignosis is being quiet, and is therefore bad."

He doesn't say that, but that's the spirit of the post. DDL states a fact that should seem incriminating and waits for someone else to fill in the blanks.

It's subtle: He is talking about me rather than talking to me, and thus inviting discussion about me rather than engaging me directly.

Moreover, what am I supposed to address? That I'm not posting more about the fact that I clearly voted for the people who had zero votes?

DDL is mafia.

I'm sold

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:15 pm**

changing my ddl vote to epi.... unless we think it would be productive to have someone we suspect as a captain so we can mutiny them right away?

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:18 pm**

I really have not thought about this very much I guess that would make sense

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:34 pm**

"I caught a mafia already. It's the threads most popular suspect"

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:41 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:34 pm "I caught a mafia already. It's the threads most popular suspect"

Noone had specifically mentioned DDL before Epi did.

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:52 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:15 pm changing my ddl vote to epi.... unless we think it would be productive to have someone we suspect as a captain so we can mutiny them right away?

This is what I was thinking as well. Say we elect DDL as a captain, then whoever is on his crew plans a mutiny. It looks like the best thing that could come from this (assuming DDL is scum) is the "Captain will be forced onto the lynch poll with +1 to vote tally."

If DDL is still a major suspect, he can be lynched without a +1 vote. Verdict: Not Worth.

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:58 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:15 pm changing my ddl vote to epi.... unless we think it would be productive to have someone we suspect as a captain so we can mutiny them right away?

For what it's worth, I prefer to be given a task, know exactly what's expected of me, and ten get er done.

I also have extensive Faster Than Light experience.

I'm crew through and through.

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:02 pm**

[mention]Kyungdaisy[/mention] Is making hire offers to crew simultaneous?

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:03 pm**

Apparently I can vote more than one person. Cool. Gonna try that.

Epi's case on DDL is a solid case, or, as solid as I've seen on D1. "People caring how other people see them" is one of those "tells" that people say is scummy... but it actually isn't. The correlation is not strong. DDL preyin' on that.

Epi's megapost is literally the only thing I've read in the thread. I'm gonna make some blind votes and then skim.

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