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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:35 amIf they work then that's cool, go ahead and win us the game. If you're gonna take up this role there's not a whole lot of room for other people who like to lead the dance to do so and that's fine. I'll just sit on the sidelines and issue you intermittent support.
The entire point of everything I do is to encourage other people to get more involved. You know that better than anyone. You participated in our DFS slaughter and acknowledged that the pace of Days 0 and 1 was the catalyst of that slaughter.
So why are you now giving me this crap that can do nothing but discourage my effort to recreate that environment?
I didn't tell you to stop doing it. I am trying to tell you that this type of thing isn't going to encourage me to contribute (at the very least in the way that you would hope to see) because I take one look at multi paragraph posts full of game theory in them at 2.40pm on a Tuesday while I am approaching 3PMitis and decide that antagonising the goof doing it is just as good a use of my effort as being helpful.
Need I remind you that we don't get "Jay is civilian" written in our rolecards?
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:44 amI didn't tell you to stop doing it. I am trying to tell you that this type of thing isn't going to encourage me to contribute (at the very least in the way that you would hope to see) because I take one look at multi paragraph posts full of game theory in them at 2.40pm on a Tuesday while I am approaching 3PMitis and decide that antagonising the goof doing it is just as good a use of my effort as being helpful.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:44 amNeed I remind you that we don't get "Jay is civilian" written in our rolecards?
What does that have to do with your motivation to play with your own effort?
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I am always happy to step back and let other civilian(s) have a go and whipping the thread into shape. I just need someone to actually say "Yes, JaggedJimmyJay, I really want to do that."
That doesn't mean I'll shut the hell up, but I don't have to be the in the spotlight. I do this because I genuinely expect that nobody else will -- especially when Sloonei is the host and dunya is strapped for time.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:48 am
I am always happy to step back and let other civilian(s) have a go and whipping the thread into shape. I just need someone to actually say "Yes, JaggedJimmyJay, I really want to do that."
That doesn't mean I'll shut the hell up, but I don't have to be the in the spotlight. I do this because I genuinely expect that nobody else will -- especially when Sloonei is the host and dunya is strapped for time.
You forget that I'm the greatest civilian on this site. The numbers say as much.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:44 amI didn't tell you to stop doing it. I am trying to tell you that this type of thing isn't going to encourage me to contribute (at the very least in the way that you would hope to see) because I take one look at multi paragraph posts full of game theory in them at 2.40pm on a Tuesday while I am approaching 3PMitis and decide that antagonising the goof doing it is just as good a use of my effort as being helpful.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:44 amNeed I remind you that we don't get "Jay is civilian" written in our rolecards?
What does that have to do with your motivation to play with your own effort?
See I don't even know what kind of question that is. I am squinting at the sentence just to try to understand it. My motivation to play with my own effort? Nope, brain still struggling with Jaytalk... C'mon brain, process this information! What!? Why is this so hard brain!?
Nope sorry I don't understand what you're saying.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:48 am
I am always happy to step back and let other civilian(s) have a go and whipping the thread into shape. I just need someone to actually say "Yes, JaggedJimmyJay, I really want to do that."
That doesn't mean I'll shut the hell up, but I don't have to be the in the spotlight. I do this because I genuinely expect that nobody else will -- especially when Sloonei is the host and dunya is strapped for time.
No you go ahead. I'm gonna pick my shots on this one.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:02 pm
Sloonei, you may want to consider a slightly milder blue for your host color; it's a bit difficult to read on the gray skin. You're the boss though, boss.
How's this
blinding me tbh
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:12 pm
why have i never spammed a mafia game with annie edison gifs before, i don't know.
anyway, i won't be spamming much, it's past my bed time.
sloonei, what time EST is end of day/night going to be for my info.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:04 pm
General alert to all civilians of Greendale:
The need for a well-paced thread is obvious. So do your best on that front, please. More than that though, let's be aware from the start that urgency is paramount if we are to win this game. There are only 12 players here, and the cycles will be 24/24. This game will be completely over in a blink; we won't have a lot of time to solve it. There is no time to waste.
I know many of y'all are now in two games. Handle that as you see fit (I will not speak of the other active game again). Just please ensure this one gets a fair portion of your attention. Thanks!
calling it day 0, jay is scum. this was his obligatory post calling for a shit ton of activity because this is what civ jay is like, whereas he enjoys to let the game ride by slower when he's scum. his post was what we typically expect of a civ jjj, but it's all a mind game. he's using language that is more courteous and less urgent, which is in conflict with the message he's trying to convey there. fight me on that.
reads as pretty urgent to me. nah.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:13 amQuin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:30 pm
dunya, read on sabie please
i was leaning town, but i didn't like how she ignored all the praise she got from you until you asked her for her opinion on it. riding it out without seeming eager? she addressed me several times, and even quoted juliets and epi, but avoided you almost deliberately. it doesn't sit right with me.
what would civilian sabie have to say about 3j's hot take read?
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:13 amQuin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:24 am
Numbers consciousness starting platform:
With 12 players to start and the setup closed, there are numerous potential alignment ratios:
A - 9 vs. 3
B - 9 vs. 2 vs./plus 1
C - 8 vs. 2 vs./plus 1 vs./plus 1
D - 8 vs. 3 vs./plus 1
There are other possibilities, but I think these are the four likely by a wide margin. Based on my own intuitions about balance (some of which I think Sloonei would share given his similar background), I'd rank them as follows by probability: B > A > C > D. This is a theme which lends itself nicely to independents, but that may not matter with the characters and alignments randomized (i.e. Chang isn't automatically a serial killer or something).
Either 9 vs. 3 or 8 vs. 2 allows two mislynches before a MyLo (assuming nightly kills of one civilian and not accounting for unknown indy variables). 9 vs. 2 allows 3 mislynches. For now I recommend a worst-case projection of 2 available mislyches. As such, POE work has to be quite expedient in this game to have a chance of working effectively. A pool of 4 or 5 is already necessary on Day 0, and that means the civilians need to make themselves visible. "Cards close to chest" and "exclusively roleplay in every post without regard for the hunt" are thus strategies which can lose the game on their own if employed irresponsibly -- that'll place people into POE pools by default.
Role abilities will likely matter at some point, but I refuse to wait for that. Everyone is vanilla. Find the bad guys, or find so many good guys that you don't need to.
Literally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.
Except you. And you are literally nobody.
epignosis is a civilian.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:13 amQuin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:55 am
Y'all please tell me about dunya.
i have nothing to say about dunya
which actually means that i don't think anything she has said thus far is reflective of her alignment.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:13 amQuin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:13 amQuin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.
So sad that so many people haven't checked in yet. Guess they're not as excited about this game as I thought people would be. Come join our study group guys!
From my previous interactions with dunya and Jay I gather they both like to post a lot and get conversations going. I don't know that, that means they're good or bad more like just what they like to do.
I don't always feel like I can get super great reads on people just from the random banter on day 0.
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Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:26 amLiterally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.
That's why civilians lose.
I dunno, filling the thread with this sort of stuff on day 0 might help you but it just makes the thread a more challenging read for me. Can't speak for the world though.
totes agree with you here. i prefer my day 0s less text wall'y and technical. the game/player breakdowns are fine, but when i get overwhelmed reading on day 0s and sometimes day 1s i tend to lose interest in the game. Not always of course.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:02 pm
Sloonei, you may want to consider a slightly milder blue for your host color; it's a bit difficult to read on the gray skin. You're the boss though, boss.
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no one asked me, but ima go ahead and tell you why i think mac is mafia.
he comes in here to demotivate jjj. he has an issue with jjj taking the leader role. he's vocalizing it to make others aware of these issues he has with jjj. he is trying to renounce jjj's place in the thread. ok...
but then nah, he doesn't wanna take jjj's place after all. he's happy being led. he's happy jjj being himself.
there was no purpose for the former or the latter. when someone comes in strong and then contradicts everything said, it is always a plot to weaken or cause conflict or shake trust in a person. macdougall here was initially trying to take civ jjj off course, and whether he continued or not, the posts are there. they have already garnered agreement from at least 2 other people. there is purpose behind every post, especially one that criticizes another player's playing style, and especially when macdougall is no newbie to jjj or his playstyle. it gets old ya know. the pocketing approach may have worked in ass-class, but it wouldn't work in any game i'm in.
i have played only in one game with sabie. i thought she was pretty genuine and was disappointed when she got mislynched. but i have watched a couple other games she's played in, and it feels to me like she's very easily misunderstood or appears less than genuine sometimes and it reminds me of how lunalee is constantly mislynched for appearing too scummy.
i wasn't and still am not hot on the fact she addressed everyone in the thread (including juliets, a non-player) except the highest poster at the time who had directly referred to her twice. but i'll try to pin it down to differing playstyle, though when someone comes and townreads me on day 0 my first reaction is: why?
to that extent, i find it curious jjj has been so agreeable to my accusations and provided reads on almost everyone in the game except me to this point, even asking others of their opinions on me, but not offering any of his own despite our conversations.
if macdougall was town, he'd be trying to make sure it was civ-jjj leading the thread and get into some tag team action with him imo. i am most unimpressed with his contributions, even for a day 0, that he spent his time complaining and then taking it back--and that is all he contributed. nahw. even for a tuesday afternoon, dats weak sauce.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:44 amI didn't tell you to stop doing it. I am trying to tell you that this type of thing isn't going to encourage me to contribute (at the very least in the way that you would hope to see) because I take one look at multi paragraph posts full of game theory in them at 2.40pm on a Tuesday while I am approaching 3PMitis and decide that antagonising the goof doing it is just as good a use of my effort as being helpful.
Need I remind you that we don't get "Jay is civilian" written in our rolecards?
I will note a grievance with Mac that I alluded to before and didn't expand on.
Orange follows green as though it is meant to explain why green is happening. That means the following assertion is being made:
"Jay, your multiparagraph post full of game theory at 2:40 PM on Tuesday discourages me from contributing, becauseI don't know your alignment." The connection doesn't make sense. To be annoyed by effort and to be distrustful of effort are not the same thing.
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dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:34 amto that extent, i find it curious jjj has been so agreeable to my accusations and provided reads on almost everyone in the game except me to this point, even asking others of their opinions on me, but not offering any of his own despite our conversations.
In the post-Fire Emblem era, the dunya read gets treated with greater care. I am not particularly bothered by you to this point at least.
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dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:34 amto that extent, i find it curious jjj has been so agreeable to my accusations and provided reads on almost everyone in the game except me to this point, even asking others of their opinions on me, but not offering any of his own despite our conversations.
In the post-Fire Emblem era, the dunya read gets treated with greater care. I am not particularly bothered by you to this point at least.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:15 pm
I'm serious though. sabie is a civilian read. I think her enthusiasm is genuine, and I don't think I'd see it so immediately had she drawn a mafia role for the first time since [whenever 2013 or something].
Really? Because if I had to wait 6 years to be mafia again I'd be like
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:24 am
Numbers consciousness starting platform:
With 12 players to start and the setup closed, there are numerous potential alignment ratios:
A - 9 vs. 3
B - 9 vs. 2 vs./plus 1
C - 8 vs. 2 vs./plus 1 vs./plus 1
D - 8 vs. 3 vs./plus 1
There are other possibilities, but I think these are the four likely by a wide margin. Based on my own intuitions about balance (some of which I think Sloonei would share given his similar background), I'd rank them as follows by probability: B > A > C > D. This is a theme which lends itself nicely to independents, but that may not matter with the characters and alignments randomized (i.e. Chang isn't automatically a serial killer or something).
Either 9 vs. 3 or 8 vs. 2 allows two mislynches before a MyLo (assuming nightly kills of one civilian and not accounting for unknown indy variables). 9 vs. 2 allows 3 mislynches. For now I recommend a worst-case projection of 2 available mislyches. As such, POE work has to be quite expedient in this game to have a chance of working effectively. A pool of 4 or 5 is already necessary on Day 0, and that means the civilians need to make themselves visible. "Cards close to chest" and "exclusively roleplay in every post without regard for the hunt" are thus strategies which can lose the game on their own if employed irresponsibly -- that'll place people into POE pools by default.
Role abilities will likely matter at some point, but I refuse to wait for that. Everyone is vanilla. Find the bad guys, or find so many good guys that you don't need to.
You know what this reminds me of? That big role list I made in a World Asunder.
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sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:35 am
So sad that so many people haven't checked in yet. Guess they're not as excited about this game as I thought people would be. Come join our study group guys!
From my previous interactions with dunya and Jay I gather they both like to post a lot and get conversations going. I don't know that, that means they're good or bad more like just what they like to do.
I don't always feel like I can get super great reads on people just from the random banter on day 0.
This game started at night and it's been like 12 hours of Day 0, geez.