The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:43 am I think dunya and JJJ are bad together.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:44 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:37 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:35 amIf they work then that's cool, go ahead and win us the game. If you're gonna take up this role there's not a whole lot of room for other people who like to lead the dance to do so and that's fine. I'll just sit on the sidelines and issue you intermittent support.

The entire point of everything I do is to encourage other people to get more involved. You know that better than anyone. You participated in our DFS slaughter and acknowledged that the pace of Days 0 and 1 was the catalyst of that slaughter.

So why are you now giving me this crap that can do nothing but discourage my effort to recreate that environment?

I didn't tell you to stop doing it. I am trying to tell you that this type of thing isn't going to encourage me to contribute (at the very least in the way that you would hope to see) because I take one look at multi paragraph posts full of game theory in them at 2.40pm on a Tuesday while I am approaching 3PMitis and decide that antagonising the goof doing it is just as good a use of my effort as being helpful.

Need I remind you that we don't get "Jay is civilian" written in our rolecards?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:45 am By all means Jay, you do you. You are right, it does win games.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:44 amI didn't tell you to stop doing it. I am trying to tell you that this type of thing isn't going to encourage me to contribute (at the very least in the way that you would hope to see) because I take one look at multi paragraph posts full of game theory in them at 2.40pm on a Tuesday while I am approaching 3PMitis and decide that antagonising the goof doing it is just as good a use of my effort as being helpful.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:44 amNeed I remind you that we don't get "Jay is civilian" written in our rolecards?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:48 am I am always happy to step back and let other civilian(s) have a go and whipping the thread into shape. I just need someone to actually say "Yes, JaggedJimmyJay, I really want to do that."

That doesn't mean I'll shut the hell up, but I don't have to be the in the spotlight. I do this because I genuinely expect that nobody else will -- especially when Sloonei is the host and dunya is strapped for time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:46 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:44 amI didn't tell you to stop doing it. I am trying to tell you that this type of thing isn't going to encourage me to contribute (at the very least in the way that you would hope to see) because I take one look at multi paragraph posts full of game theory in them at 2.40pm on a Tuesday while I am approaching 3PMitis and decide that antagonising the goof doing it is just as good a use of my effort as being helpful.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:44 amNeed I remind you that we don't get "Jay is civilian" written in our rolecards?

What does that have to do with your motivation to play with your own effort?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:48 am I am always happy to step back and let other civilian(s) have a go and whipping the thread into shape. I just need someone to actually say "Yes, JaggedJimmyJay, I really want to do that."

That doesn't mean I'll shut the hell up, but I don't have to be the in the spotlight. I do this because I genuinely expect that nobody else will -- especially when Sloonei is the host and dunya is strapped for time.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:53 am Dunya is Mafia.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:50 amYou forget that I'm the greatest civilian on this site. The numbers say as much.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:06 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:02 pm Sloonei, you may want to consider a slightly milder blue for your host color; it's a bit difficult to read on the gray skin. You're the boss though, boss.

How's this

blinding me tbh

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:12 pm why have i never spammed a mafia game with annie edison gifs before, i don't know.

anyway, i won't be spamming much, it's past my bed time.

sloonei, what time EST is end of day/night going to be for my info.

linki: the last one is most agreeable to my eyes.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:54 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:50 amYou forget that I'm the greatest civilian on this site. The numbers say as much.

If 2018 is any indication, we're both garbage.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:58 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:54 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:50 amYou forget that I'm the greatest civilian on this site. The numbers say as much.

If 2018 is any indication, we're both garbage.

My plan is to leave you be so you can stop being garbage. When the announcement comes that says you're garbage here, I'll shut you down. Silencio?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:01 am I think Jay and Epi are civilians.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:17 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:04 pm General alert to all civilians of Greendale:

The need for a well-paced thread is obvious. So do your best on that front, please. More than that though, let's be aware from the start that urgency is paramount if we are to win this game. There are only 12 players here, and the cycles will be 24/24. This game will be completely over in a blink; we won't have a lot of time to solve it. There is no time to waste.

I know many of y'all are now in two games. Handle that as you see fit (I will not speak of the other active game again). Just please ensure this one gets a fair portion of your attention. Thanks!

calling it day 0, jay is scum. this was his obligatory post calling for a shit ton of activity because this is what civ jay is like, whereas he enjoys to let the game ride by slower when he's scum. his post was what we typically expect of a civ jjj, but it's all a mind game. he's using language that is more courteous and less urgent, which is in conflict with the message he's trying to convey there. fight me on that.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:30 pm dunya, read on sabie please

i was leaning town, but i didn't like how she ignored all the praise she got from you until you asked her for her opinion on it. riding it out without seeming eager? she addressed me several times, and even quoted juliets and epi, but avoided you almost deliberately. it doesn't sit right with me.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:26 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:24 am Numbers consciousness starting platform:

With 12 players to start and the setup closed, there are numerous potential alignment ratios:

A - 9 vs. 3
B - 9 vs. 2 vs./plus 1
C - 8 vs. 2 vs./plus 1 vs./plus 1
D - 8 vs. 3 vs./plus 1

There are other possibilities, but I think these are the four likely by a wide margin. Based on my own intuitions about balance (some of which I think Sloonei would share given his similar background), I'd rank them as follows by probability: B > A > C > D. This is a theme which lends itself nicely to independents, but that may not matter with the characters and alignments randomized (i.e. Chang isn't automatically a serial killer or something).

Either 9 vs. 3 or 8 vs. 2 allows two mislynches before a MyLo (assuming nightly kills of one civilian and not accounting for unknown indy variables). 9 vs. 2 allows 3 mislynches. For now I recommend a worst-case projection of 2 available mislyches. As such, POE work has to be quite expedient in this game to have a chance of working effectively. A pool of 4 or 5 is already necessary on Day 0, and that means the civilians need to make themselves visible. "Cards close to chest" and "exclusively roleplay in every post without regard for the hunt" are thus strategies which can lose the game on their own if employed irresponsibly -- that'll place people into POE pools by default.

Role abilities will likely matter at some point, but I refuse to wait for that. Everyone is vanilla. Find the bad guys, or find so many good guys that you don't need to.

Literally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.

Except you. And you are literally nobody.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:55 am Y'all please tell me about dunya.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:34 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:27 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:26 amLiterally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.

That's why civilians lose.

I dunno, filling the thread with this sort of stuff on day 0 might help you but it just makes the thread a more challenging read for me. Can't speak for the world though.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:02 pm Sloonei, you may want to consider a slightly milder blue for your host color; it's a bit difficult to read on the gray skin. You're the boss though, boss.

How's this

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:39 pm MacDougall is a member of the mafia faction.

So is colonialbob.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:14 amBig if true

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:55 pm I've got the second part down.

I need to see how DUNYA reacts to DUNYA IS EVIL.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:44 amI didn't tell you to stop doing it. I am trying to tell you that this type of thing isn't going to encourage me to contribute (at the very least in the way that you would hope to see) because I take one look at multi paragraph posts full of game theory in them at 2.40pm on a Tuesday while I am approaching 3PMitis and decide that antagonising the goof doing it is just as good a use of my effort as being helpful.

Need I remind you that we don't get "Jay is civilian" written in our rolecards?

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:34 amto that extent, i find it curious jjj has been so agreeable to my accusations and provided reads on almost everyone in the game except me to this point, even asking others of their opinions on me, but not offering any of his own despite our conversations.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:49 am

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:34 amto that extent, i find it curious jjj has been so agreeable to my accusations and provided reads on almost everyone in the game except me to this point, even asking others of their opinions on me, but not offering any of his own despite our conversations.

In the post-Fire Emblem era, the dunya read gets treated with greater care. I am not particularly bothered by you to this point at least.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:15 pm I'm serious though. sabie is a civilian read. I think her enthusiasm is genuine, and I don't think I'd see it so immediately had she drawn a mafia role for the first time since [whenever 2013 or something].

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:59 amReally? Because if I had to wait 6 years to be mafia again I'd be like

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:24 am Numbers consciousness starting platform:

With 12 players to start and the setup closed, there are numerous potential alignment ratios:

A - 9 vs. 3
B - 9 vs. 2 vs./plus 1
C - 8 vs. 2 vs./plus 1 vs./plus 1
D - 8 vs. 3 vs./plus 1

There are other possibilities, but I think these are the four likely by a wide margin. Based on my own intuitions about balance (some of which I think Sloonei would share given his similar background), I'd rank them as follows by probability: B > A > C > D. This is a theme which lends itself nicely to independents, but that may not matter with the characters and alignments randomized (i.e. Chang isn't automatically a serial killer or something).

Either 9 vs. 3 or 8 vs. 2 allows two mislynches before a MyLo (assuming nightly kills of one civilian and not accounting for unknown indy variables). 9 vs. 2 allows 3 mislynches. For now I recommend a worst-case projection of 2 available mislyches. As such, POE work has to be quite expedient in this game to have a chance of working effectively. A pool of 4 or 5 is already necessary on Day 0, and that means the civilians need to make themselves visible. "Cards close to chest" and "exclusively roleplay in every post without regard for the hunt" are thus strategies which can lose the game on their own if employed irresponsibly -- that'll place people into POE pools by default.

Role abilities will likely matter at some point, but I refuse to wait for that. Everyone is vanilla. Find the bad guys, or find so many good guys that you don't need to.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:06 amYou know what this reminds me of? That big role list I made in a World Asunder.

I was bad.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:00 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:59 amReally? Because if I had to wait 6 years to be mafia again I'd be like

Apparently it's been four. What do you think of sabie?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:07 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:06 amYou know what this reminds me of? That big role list I made in a World Asunder.

I was bad.

That's cool. If you're a civilian though make sure you pay attention to what I said whether you buy me or not. It's important.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:07 amShe's completely different from what I'm used to, which has always been civ. So GTH she's bad.

But GTH sucks and fails to consider she is obviously roleplaying, so more like neutral from now.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:35 am So sad that so many people haven't checked in yet. Guess they're not as excited about this game as I thought people would be. Come join our study group guys!

From my previous interactions with dunya and Jay I gather they both like to post a lot and get conversations going. I don't know that, that means they're good or bad more like just what they like to do.
I don't always feel like I can get super great reads on people just from the random banter on day 0.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:10 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:07 amShe's completely different from what I'm used to, which has always been civ. So GTH she's bad.

But GTH sucks and fails to consider she is obviously roleplaying, so more like neutral from now.

What is completely different about her?