The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:21 am

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:36 am Also rip Mac voting for me, nothing new there. He can't read me worth a damn.

Straight for that card ay.

Anywho so far Creature and Rej are top town reads. I think Nutella is also town. I'd like to see fellow towns towning a bit harder.

I think we're also looking at wolfjay lol. I know he says he's busy but I can't help but feel if he was town he'd have used the posts he has made for more townie purposes. More FPS to see what happens less "please hold for assistance.

Jack worries me. Speedchuck also.

But Dragomir doing the ol' "hello fellow townies" thing can take some scrutiny for now.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:13 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:25 pm Also are winner banners not a thing anymore? Also also i really need to add the last two years of games I've maybe won at some point. Also Also Also I'd bet either 2/3 of the mafia team haven't checked in yet or they all have.

Dafuq does that last sentence even mean tho. Like what kind of take is that

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:04 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:14 pm Lol creature is town

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:21 am Anywho so far Creature and Rej are top town reads.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:36 am Also rip Mac voting for me, nothing new there. He can't read me worth a damn.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:05 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:13 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:25 pm Also are winner banners not a thing anymore? Also also i really need to add the last two years of games I've maybe won at some point. Also Also Also I'd bet either 2/3 of the mafia team haven't checked in yet or they all have.

Dafuq does that last sentence even mean tho. Like what kind of take is that

This is scummy imo.

My hypothesis is nutella is mafia and at that time her teammates had yet to check in so she was trying to indirectly counter my point.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:11 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:05 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:13 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:25 pm Also are winner banners not a thing anymore? Also also i really need to add the last two years of games I've maybe won at some point. Also Also Also I'd bet either 2/3 of the mafia team haven't checked in yet or they all have.

Dafuq does that last sentence even mean tho. Like what kind of take is that

This is scummy imo.

My hypothesis is nutella is mafia and at that time her teammates had yet to check in so she was trying to indirectly counter my point.

What if I told you that, statistically, mafia tend to check in earlier?

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:36 am Also rip Mac voting for me, nothing new there. He can't read me worth a damn.

This post strikes town?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:05 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:13 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:25 pm Also are winner banners not a thing anymore? Also also i really need to add the last two years of games I've maybe won at some point. Also Also Also I'd bet either 2/3 of the mafia team haven't checked in yet or they all have.

Dafuq does that last sentence even mean tho. Like what kind of take is that

This is scummy imo.

My hypothesis is nutella is mafia and at that time her teammates had yet to check in so she was trying to indirectly counter my point.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:34 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:11 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:05 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:13 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:25 pm Also are winner banners not a thing anymore? Also also i really need to add the last two years of games I've maybe won at some point. Also Also Also I'd bet either 2/3 of the mafia team haven't checked in yet or they all have.

Dafuq does that last sentence even mean tho. Like what kind of take is that

This is scummy imo.

My hypothesis is nutella is mafia and at that time her teammates had yet to check in so she was trying to indirectly counter my point.

What if I told you that, statistically, mafia tend to check in earlier?

My main thought is her reaction to my post and less the statistics of when they may check in, if that makes any sense?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:36 am

Rej wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:51 am

sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:08 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:53 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:21 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:57 pm Considering 17 players usually means 4 mafia in a town v mafia singleball but also considering this site is weird, I'd say 3 mafia with chances of a handful of third parties

I could see that, I don't recall ever playing a Nova game though which does make it a bit more murky.

I'd say 3-4 mafia and two third parties probably with survivorish roles, I don't think the game could support a SK given how small it is and there being role reveals. It's also possible one of the third parties is a mechanism against role claiming, if they're not I'd be wary of the mafia having a role that could punish a player for revealing info/claiming.

the way you imply he third parties being survivorish is worrying me
I note it down

It's an obvious assumption to make given the player pool.

1.5 years mafia experience, and I havent ever seen someone comming D0 implying that third parties might be survivorish. Lmao, this is scummy af and I dont know how else to judge this random wild assumption.

I just think that you could be harmful (possible third) who tries to downplay the scum/thirds in general in this game.

Thats why I said noteworthy.

Gonna play the culture card here, I like to try to distinguish third party, no point in hunting survivors SKs you should go after. Same with Cult.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:54 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING

??? What is this

What do you think it is?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:21 am

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:36 am Also rip Mac voting for me, nothing new there. He can't read me worth a damn.

Straight for that card ay.

Anywho so far Creature and Rej are top town reads. I think Nutella is also town. I'd like to see fellow towns towning a bit harder.

I think we're also looking at wolfjay lol. I know he says he's busy but I can't help but feel if he was town he'd have used the posts he has made for more townie purposes. More FPS to see what happens less "please hold for assistance.

Jack worries me. Speedchuck also.

But Dragomir doing the ol' "hello fellow townies" thing can take some scrutiny for now.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:27 pm Nutella is yucky. And her response doesn’t inspire confidence.

Jack— what’s interesting?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:21 am

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:36 am Also rip Mac voting for me, nothing new there. He can't read me worth a damn.

Straight for that card ay.

Anywho so far Creature and Rej are top town reads. I think Nutella is also town. I'd like to see fellow towns towning a bit harder.

I think we're also looking at wolfjay lol. I know he says he's busy but I can't help but feel if he was town he'd have used the posts he has made for more townie purposes. More FPS to see what happens less "please hold for assistance.

Jack worries me. Speedchuck also.

But Dragomir doing the ol' "hello fellow townies" thing can take some scrutiny for now.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:36 am Also rip Mac voting for me, nothing new there. He can't read me worth a damn.

This post strikes town?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:23 pm Something about Rej made me feel suspicious but I can't put my finger on it.

Why do people trust Rej?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:26 pm reread what sig said. "Either most or none of the scum have checked in." It's baseless and meaningless.

Like I said I don't particularly suspect him tho.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:00 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:36 am

Rej wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:51 am

sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:08 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:53 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:21 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:57 pm Considering 17 players usually means 4 mafia in a town v mafia singleball but also considering this site is weird, I'd say 3 mafia with chances of a handful of third parties

I could see that, I don't recall ever playing a Nova game though which does make it a bit more murky.

I'd say 3-4 mafia and two third parties probably with survivorish roles, I don't think the game could support a SK given how small it is and there being role reveals. It's also possible one of the third parties is a mechanism against role claiming, if they're not I'd be wary of the mafia having a role that could punish a player for revealing info/claiming.

the way you imply he third parties being survivorish is worrying me
I note it down

It's an obvious assumption to make given the player pool.

1.5 years mafia experience, and I havent ever seen someone comming D0 implying that third parties might be survivorish. Lmao, this is scummy af and I dont know how else to judge this random wild assumption.

I just think that you could be harmful (possible third) who tries to downplay the scum/thirds in general in this game.

Thats why I said noteworthy.

Gonna play the culture card here, I like to try to distinguish third party, no point in hunting survivors SKs you should go after. Same with Cult.

Survivor is a bad role.

It is way too easy to win with, when it loses, it is rarely the fault of the survivor player, optimal survivor play leads to a less interesting game and survivors can easily become kingmakers at endgame, which is against the spirit of the game.

Change my mind.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:01 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:54 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING

??? What is this

What do you think it is?

I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:00 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:36 am

Rej wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:51 am

sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:08 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:53 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:21 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:57 pm Considering 17 players usually means 4 mafia in a town v mafia singleball but also considering this site is weird, I'd say 3 mafia with chances of a handful of third parties

I could see that, I don't recall ever playing a Nova game though which does make it a bit more murky.

I'd say 3-4 mafia and two third parties probably with survivorish roles, I don't think the game could support a SK given how small it is and there being role reveals. It's also possible one of the third parties is a mechanism against role claiming, if they're not I'd be wary of the mafia having a role that could punish a player for revealing info/claiming.

the way you imply he third parties being survivorish is worrying me
I note it down

It's an obvious assumption to make given the player pool.

1.5 years mafia experience, and I havent ever seen someone comming D0 implying that third parties might be survivorish. Lmao, this is scummy af and I dont know how else to judge this random wild assumption.

I just think that you could be harmful (possible third) who tries to downplay the scum/thirds in general in this game.

Thats why I said noteworthy.

Gonna play the culture card here, I like to try to distinguish third party, no point in hunting survivors SKs you should go after. Same with Cult.

Survivor is a bad role.

It is way too easy to win with, when it loses, it is rarely the fault of the survivor player, optimal survivor play leads to a less interesting game and survivors can easily become kingmakers at endgame, which is against the spirit of the game.

Change my mind.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:27 pm Nutella is yucky. And her response doesn’t inspire confidence.

Jack— what’s interesting?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:28 pm I mean survivor is a terrible role but this site isn't above using it.

Or nova. Though nova is this weird multi-site creature who started playing everywhere at the same time so I can't even use site culture to predict his setup.

Besides it is possible to make survivor work. It needs some extra requirements or handicaps.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:29 pm Nutella doesn't give any reason to trust her but lynching nutella earlier gives me dejavu. Of bad things. She tends to be lynchbait.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:44 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:01 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:54 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING

??? What is this

What do you think it is?

I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?

That 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:44 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:01 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:54 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING

??? What is this

What do you think it is?

I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?

That 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:49 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:44 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:01 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:54 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING

??? What is this

What do you think it is?

I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?

That 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.

I can’t help myself. DDL expressing suspicion of a player for shit he always does and the opposite of suspicion on a player for shit he isn’t doing and never does. It’s funny.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:45 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:00 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:36 am

Rej wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:51 am

sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:08 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:53 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:21 pm

I could see that, I don't recall ever playing a Nova game though which does make it a bit more murky.

I'd say 3-4 mafia and two third parties probably with survivorish roles, I don't think the game could support a SK given how small it is and there being role reveals. It's also possible one of the third parties is a mechanism against role claiming, if they're not I'd be wary of the mafia having a role that could punish a player for revealing info/claiming.

the way you imply he third parties being survivorish is worrying me
I note it down

It's an obvious assumption to make given the player pool.

1.5 years mafia experience, and I havent ever seen someone comming D0 implying that third parties might be survivorish. Lmao, this is scummy af and I dont know how else to judge this random wild assumption.

I just think that you could be harmful (possible third) who tries to downplay the scum/thirds in general in this game.

Thats why I said noteworthy.

Gonna play the culture card here, I like to try to distinguish third party, no point in hunting survivors SKs you should go after. Same with Cult.

Survivor is a bad role.

It is way too easy to win with, when it loses, it is rarely the fault of the survivor player, optimal survivor play leads to a less interesting game and survivors can easily become kingmakers at endgame, which is against the spirit of the game.

Change my mind.

I don't mind a kingmaker 3p being present in the end. You better hope you treated them right. It's an extra level of game politics, and I think it makes things more interesting. I don't buy into the idea of "optimal survivor play" because each game is a unique organism whose optimal play is defined as it plays out. What works perfectly in one game gets you lynched in another.

I've had some of the most fun in games as a 3p survivor, but my taste is obviously for powerful roles , and a beefed-up survivor suits me to a T. You don't need to change your mind to understand another's perspective.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:51 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:49 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:44 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:01 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:54 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING

??? What is this

What do you think it is?

I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?

That 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.

I can’t help myself. DDL expressing suspicion of a player for shit he always does and the opposite of suspicion on a player for shit he isn’t doing and never does. It’s funny.

Seems like something I would feel compelled to do too.

But I hold myself back.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:44 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:01 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:54 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING

??? What is this

What do you think it is?

I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?

That 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:55 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:44 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:01 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:54 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING

??? What is this

What do you think it is?

I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?

That 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.

But it's not a conflict if there isn't disagreement. Stating a townread should be fine for that, if you disagree you can continue on that topic.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:57 pm I don't think anyone should be easing up on Creature just because Jack says he's Civ on Day 1. Is that what's happening?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:56 pm Speed discouraging people from contributing their townreads is bad.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:57 pm I don't think anyone should be easing up on Creature just because Jack says he's Civ on Day 1. Is that what's happening?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:58 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:57 pm I don't think anyone should be easing up on Creature just because Jack says he's Civ on Day 1. Is that what's happening?

Yes you should. I’ve correctly pegged town Creature on D1 in like four games.

But I didn’t say he was town here.