The Syndicate

Mafia team

112
nutella
proto

disgusting

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:12 pm rescinding read on TH, TH is town

Who?

i dont do drugs i dont smoke i dont drink i dont stay awake past 10 pm i dont do naughty stuff im a good girl

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:12 pm rescinding read on TH, TH is town

Who?

Percy Private Eye Peter Piper Pickle Pringle

Is dunya not playing this game anymore?

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:14 pm i dont do drugs i dont smoke i dont drink i dont stay awake past 10 pm i dont do naughty stuff im a good girl

Hard sheeping broseph tbh

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:14 pm i dont do drugs i dont smoke i dont drink i dont stay awake past 10 pm i dont do naughty stuff im a good girl

broseph is lock maf for lock towning me for complimenting nickelback

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:21 pm broseph is lock maf for lock towning me for complimenting nickelback

I didn't lock town you because you complimented nickelback

I lock towned you because you gave zero fucks about how much you'd trigger people for complimenting nickelback

ok broseph is lock town for unlocking my lock maf read for lock towning me for complimenting nickelback

as it should always be

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:14 pm i dont do drugs i dont smoke i dont drink i dont stay awake past 10 pm i dont do naughty stuff im a good girl

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:23 pm its 5 am so maybe what i said was not very intelligent but no this is just me afraid cuz ive just opened Heaven's Door and the insight will start flowing around freely and flowy, freeflowy. i shouldnt be afraid of the truth

Hello! I rolled wolf, looking forward to killing all of you in your sleep!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:37 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:21 pm broseph is lock maf for lock towning me for complimenting nickelback

I didn't lock town you because you complimented nickelback

I lock towned you because you gave zero fucks about how much you'd trigger people for complimenting nickelback

I think this is a lightly villagery Mac post.

This is borrowed meta, but: I remember early in Pyre DVC it was posited that Mac could be read off his general approach to the game; I believe the exact wording was that wolf!Mac "acts like an entertainer rather than a player". I'm ALSO aware that this is somewhat incorrect, and that Mac can easily be a performative shitposter as a villager, too.

However, consider: this is actually a somewhat nuanced read from Mac below the surface nonseriousness of it, and the super casual delivery of it makes it seem like it's no big deal. I suspect that the ACTUAL Mac meta difference is that a shitposty wolf!Mac has a lot more trouble making this read, or at least struggles to make it feel as naturally delivered as it does here.

I maybe also lean v on Urist for his half of the interaction, though I'm less confident there.

Think this probably meets my quota of giving a shit for Day 0 but we'll see.

Yeah Mac looks okay so far. Was he bad in pyre mafia? I stopped following that game after I got whooped

I just set up the script to track vote counts, taking bets on how long it works before it breaks

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:34 am Yeah Mac looks okay so far. Was he bad in pyre mafia? I stopped following that game after I got whooped

Yeah, and he was being deathtunneled by DVC from page 1.

I didn't learn this from anywhere in particular, and certainly not from this thread, but I have this strong feeling that end of day will be around 20:00 EST this game. Just a heads up that I'm going to try to avoid logging in around that time, trying to spend evenings with the family. So I'd greatly appreciate no last-minute nonsense wagons this game. Thanks in advance.

The penguin exhibit will probably be closing early as well

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:00 am Hello! I rolled wolf, looking forward to killing all of you in your sleep!

... damn you

Amy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:37 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:21 pm broseph is lock maf for lock towning me for complimenting nickelback

I didn't lock town you because you complimented nickelback

I lock towned you because you gave zero fucks about how much you'd trigger people for complimenting nickelback

I think this is a lightly villagery Mac post.

This is borrowed meta, but: I remember early in Pyre DVC it was posited that Mac could be read off his general approach to the game; I believe the exact wording was that wolf!Mac "acts like an entertainer rather than a player". I'm ALSO aware that this is somewhat incorrect, and that Mac can easily be a performative shitposter as a villager, too.

However, consider: this is actually a somewhat nuanced read from Mac below the surface nonseriousness of it, and the super casual delivery of it makes it seem like it's no big deal. I suspect that the ACTUAL Mac meta difference is that a shitposty wolf!Mac has a lot more trouble making this read, or at least struggles to make it feel as naturally delivered as it does here.

I maybe also lean v on Urist for his half of the interaction, though I'm less confident there.

Think this probably meets my quota of giving a shit for Day 0 but we'll see.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:13 pm Mafia team

112
nutella
proto

disgusting

Anyway I'm just tunnelling this until I have flips and stuff.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:47 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:13 pm Mafia team

112
nutella
proto

disgusting

Anyway I'm just tunnelling this until I have flips and stuff.

Why these 3? Just because they haven't spoken?

Also my early reads are that Mac, Amy and tutuu are town. I agree with Amy's towncase on Mac and her description of his meta fits with what I saw in Space Invaders. I have a 100% success rate at finding tutuu as town really early so far, so just trust me on that one.

Meat reads are scummy tbh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:38 am Meat reads are scummy tbh

I prefer vegetable reads.

ur wonderful alison i will treasure u always.

that was a rly funny post urist. both of them were rly funny (drug dealer and u knowing game starts at 8 pm edt for no reason). u have a great sense of humor and u seem like a nice lad.

If i had tmi on alison that shes town id sheep her on mac town

Id probably sheep most townreads thrown by anyone directed at anyone

Early townreads are always good and correct and early scumreads are less than ideal and not very accurate in my personal and subjective view of mafia theory

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:05 am If i had tmi on alison that shes town id sheep her on mac town

Id probably sheep most townreads thrown by anyone directed at anyone

Early townreads are always good and correct and early scumreads are less than ideal and not very accurate in my personal and subjective view of mafia theory

there is no real difference between townreads and scumreads, how correct they are depends on how well you know the player, how good the player is at projecting town to you, how good you are at reading people etc.

the idea that one type of read is easier to make than another mostly comes about because random townreads are more likely to be correct than random scumreads because people are more likely to rand town. If your townreads are 4x as likely as your scumreads to be correct then townreads and scumreads have the same accuracy in reality.

the other way around i think. ur scumreads need to be 4x times more accurate than rand for them to compete with a townread, no?

and beside that, just in general, like. town can do literally anything. by making a scumread, u are judging what a town can or cant do. thats rly hard to do. ive seen town do literally anything. i havent seen scum do literally anything. by making a townread ur judging what a scum would or wouldnt do. thats a bit easier. so its more accurate in my personal and subjective warped view of mafia theory

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:13 am the other way around i think. ur scumreads need to be 4x times more accurate than rand for them to compete with a townread, no?

and beside that, just in general, like. town can do literally anything. by making a scumread, u are judging what a town can or cant do. thats rly hard to do. ive seen town do literally anything. i havent seen scum do literally anything. by making a townread ur judging what a scum would or wouldnt do. thats a bit easier. so its more accurate in my personal and subjective warped view of mafia theory

No because it's not really indicative of anything. You're basically saying "if you point to a random player and say they're town you're more likely to be right than if you say they're scum". That's true in theory but you shouldn't be pointing to random players at all, you should be trying to find actual ways to determine to a high probability the alignment of the people you sort rather than trying to unhelpfully inflate your score by making use of the way the rand works. Or to put it another way, while a random read is 4x more likely to be correct if it's a townread, you want your reads to be way more accurate than random, in which case trying to catch scum is very useful since you get way more out of a correct scumread than a correct townread.

Also the reason you've seen town do literally anything but you haven't seen scum do literally anything is because people don't make an effort to widen their range as scum. I seem to remember you thinking that digging up ten of a player's old games to meta trawl them was one of the things scum can't do, so it's not something you should be relying on too much.

Which isn't to say that you shouldn't have townreads - I don't have any scumreads myself in the current gamestate. I'm just saying that you should make the reads that make the most sense with the information you have, and not care too much about whether they're townreads or scumreads. If they're logical, they're logical.

the last thing i wanna say about this is:

if u townread someone and the reason is bogus, ur still way more likely to be right than if u scumread someone and ur reason is bogus

so if u make a scumread u better be sure its good, cuz the dice reroll (saved by rand) is much less likely to occur, so ur relying primarily on ur reasoning to be good and accurate

I dont trust myself to make good scumreads, i shouldnt give in to peer pressure and do them just cuz a lot of other ppl do them, and i kinda ... dont trust other ppl to make good scumreads early too

most players dont put so much effort to wolf as u, i dont think i should change the fact that i townread u for that effort, i think the correct approach is to just identify u as an anomaly

TenThousandCalories wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:27 pm Snakes don't have a sense of smell

dont they smell with their tongue?

as a reminder, day 0 is meme day and we skip night and go direct to day 1 after this, right?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:00 am Hello! I rolled wolf, looking forward to killing all of you in your sleep!

This reads really pure to me. Alison is mafia.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:00 am ur wonderful alison i will treasure u always.

that was a rly funny post urist. both of them were rly funny (drug dealer and u knowing game starts at 8 pm edt for no reason). u have a great sense of humor and u seem like a nice lad.

Thanks! I think you're town, let's work together this game.

Also is it bad that my initial thought upon receiving a compliment was, "Does tutuu have a post restriction or something?"

aw. u had a knee jerk doubt reaction that a compliment directed at u wouldnt be genuine? thats really sad. reminds me of proto who had a knee jerk doubt reaction to think i dm'd the wrong person when i told him ily. come here let me give u a hug urist

oh if u had that reaction not cuz of the compliment itself but because of me then im sorry, maybe i should have been nicer to u in lion king. i just rly get invested into games so much that i say some stuff sometimes that i would never say under normal circumstances. sorry. hug

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:37 am the last thing i wanna say about this is:

if u townread someone and the reason is bogus, ur still way more likely to be right than if u scumread someone and ur reason is bogus

so if u make a scumread u better be sure its good, cuz the dice reroll (saved by rand) is much less likely to occur, so ur relying primarily on ur reasoning to be good and accurate

I dont trust myself to make good scumreads, i shouldnt give in to peer pressure and do them just cuz a lot of other ppl do them, and i kinda ... dont trust other ppl to make good scumreads early too

most players dont put so much effort to wolf as u, i dont think i should change the fact that i townread u for that effort, i think the correct approach is to just identify u as an anomaly

But like... being wrong is a good thing. It helps you re-assess the gamestate if/when it becomes necessary.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:08 am oh if u had that reaction not cuz of the compliment itself but because of me then im sorry, maybe i should have been nicer to u in lion king. i just rly get invested into games so much that i say some stuff sometimes that i would never say under normal circumstances. sorry. hug

definitely not you, haha. positivity is not something i encounter often. thank you.

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:11 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:37 am the last thing i wanna say about this is:

if u townread someone and the reason is bogus, ur still way more likely to be right than if u scumread someone and ur reason is bogus

so if u make a scumread u better be sure its good, cuz the dice reroll (saved by rand) is much less likely to occur, so ur relying primarily on ur reasoning to be good and accurate

I dont trust myself to make good scumreads, i shouldnt give in to peer pressure and do them just cuz a lot of other ppl do them, and i kinda ... dont trust other ppl to make good scumreads early too

most players dont put so much effort to wolf as u, i dont think i should change the fact that i townread u for that effort, i think the correct approach is to just identify u as an anomaly

But like... being wrong is a good thing. It helps you re-assess the gamestate if/when it becomes necessary.

obviously its better to be right!

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:06 am aw. u had a knee jerk doubt reaction that a compliment directed at u wouldnt be genuine? thats really sad. reminds me of proto who had a knee jerk doubt reaction to think i dm'd the wrong person when i told him ily. come here let me give u a hug urist

Usually they take me out to lunch first, thats why I thought you dmed wrong person.

lmfao

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:45 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:06 am aw. u had a knee jerk doubt reaction that a compliment directed at u wouldnt be genuine? thats really sad. reminds me of proto who had a knee jerk doubt reaction to think i dm'd the wrong person when i told him ily. come here let me give u a hug urist

Usually they take me out to lunch first, thats why I thought you dmed wrong person.

tutuu ain't that kind of gal

Town
tutuu
Amy
Urist
Mac

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:47 am as a reminder, day 0 is meme day and we skip night and go direct to day 1 after this, right?

Why do you want it to be meme day?

Carote can be town too

112 (is) townread, i like how he just listed his reads without explanation. no meta on him but based off of policy only i think its towny for the average joe to not articulate and explain themself.

also im just mindmelding with him, i have the same reads (all of them except unsure on joseph yet) and i also thought proto had a scummy opener

like "as a reminder, day 0 is meme day and we skip night and go direct to day 1 after this, right?" - proto should know this already, he's not an airhead like me, this looked to me like scum filler

but i wanna respect my choice to abstain from scumreads just like shao lin monks abstain from stuff in order to reach enlightenment