The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:46 am chard and Scirrus came to reasonable conclusions with their votes for me. I townread them.

Epignosis is trying to solve JJJ. I'll give him a townread for that. I want this to happen.

JJJ is posting in a manner he previously stated was uncomfortable. Not sure if that was a joke or a real feeling. He can surely explain. His vote for me is leaves a bit to be desired. Mild annoyance, he followed chardonnay's vote despite chard being listed in his "nothing" section.

Nanook shaded Jay for talking about game mechanics. No other reads. Big meh.


Nothing noteworthy from other players in my eyes as of yet (except for Grogu's TownWatch LLC, which I'm in the midst of applying for).

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:46 am chard and Scirrus came to reasonable conclusions with their votes for me. I townread them.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:46 amJJJ is posting in a manner he previously stated was uncomfortable. Not sure if that was a joke or a real feeling. He can surely explain. His vote for me is leaves a bit to be desired. Mild annoyance, he followed chardonnay's vote despite chard being listed in his "nothing" section.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:49 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:35 am What is new to you right now and what hasn't changed?

In regards to the rules and what not. Most are as I remember however I haven’t played a lot where info dropping/role claiming is allowed.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:30 pm You might think I would intend to try and be less serious when I do roll scum, but all I want to do now is be more stilted and less goofy in my town openings.

Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:44 pm This is going to be a fun experience. I signed up for lot of games haha. Wish me luck

Scirrus wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:35 pm

Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:34 pm First! I never had this honor. ToWn

At first, one might see this as a town claim,


H O W E V E R

Lettuce take a look at which letter is capitalized beside the obvious T

It is:

W

as in

W O L F


Clever slip there buddy

Got one of them down, you can thank me all later

Scirrus wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:11 pm @Poison what do you think of JJJ's read on LC?

Scirrus wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:20 pm ooh pick me! pick me!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:39 pm fingersplints just kinda opened the game in a way that I think looks authentic. She hasn’t played in a very long time, and the uneasy-yet-personally-insightful approach she took with me specifically fits what I’d expect (if she returned as a civilian).

Poison just felt loose and fun without feeling fake.

It’s weak, sure. Don’t think I care though. I think this is my 10th?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:03 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:02 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:52 pm You sound like you're more concerned with what the host is doing and not what the anybody else is doing.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

I answered a gripe from Nanook about the topic. I already told folks my reads. You read my post. You know that. This is fake.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

[3]

Your "reads" are fake. I felt as much when I read them.

I don't believe you. You've just moved the goalposts because the initial accusation was terrible.

I don't care if you believe me. You don't share my alignment.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:32 am i havent played with you, but ive seen you around on the forums.

what is your new avie of anyways?

chardonnay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:37 am we should prob try to spend D1 using gut more then anything. More strong read by EoD the better i think

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:18 am Jay's gut digs. I think a mafia Enrique would be more inclined to try to do things than just shrug like this. I don't blame him for this perspective or think it looks inauthentic.

Seems good
Long Con
Scirrus
Enrique

At least some positive intuition exists in my brain
fingersplints
Poison

Nothing
chardonnay
Epignosis
Grogu
Marmot
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
reywaS

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Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:23 am Is there anyone here that you can usually get a read on pretty early?

Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:40 am

Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:14 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:25 pm Gaming mechanics IS playing mafia and the attitude that mechanics are somehow separate from the “real” game is continually baffling to me

I am this kind of player as well.
I am also historically bad at Day 0/1 reads because most of the content just looks like NAI nonsense to me.
I am envious of people with stronger insticts.
The best I can give you is how much I understand a player’s actions, and at this moment, I do not feel confused by any particular thread behavior.

I remain watching.

[1]

Who are you familiar with here? Nothing you like or dislike at all?

chardonnay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:47 am @Scirrus

Support my marmot push out of the kindness of your heart?

I kno you maybe SR me or something, (idk whats real and whats not), but we can totally support each other in a D1 push right?

-/--/-/-/-/
Also support my marmot wagon?

chardonnay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:36 am Ayyyy, sirrus can be town w/ JJJ, and LC

I actully dont know about JJJ's takeaway from finger splints. Finger's carefully worded posts feel like it could come nervous scum. If JJJ has good meta there then i'd like a play by play in future posts.

-/-/-/-/

Im interested in who else will help me support a marmot wagon. Any more takers?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:46 am JJJ is posting in a manner he previously stated was uncomfortable.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:22 am Eh? What did I say I was uncomfortable about? Are you referring to my opener thing about post count? It’s not uncomfortable to make 20 posts

Your takes on the votes on you confuse me. I don’t think any of the three of us explained much of anything; we just threw votes down because why not.

But chardonnay and Scirrus came to reasonable “conclusions” while I “leave something to be desired”. I’m going to need you to expand if you could.

I don’t really care that chardonnay was in my “nothings”. So what.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:34 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:25 pm Gaming mechanics IS playing mafia and the attitude that mechanics are somehow separate from the “real” game is continually baffling to me

It's real Mafia I agree. I could change the wording to "Hunt for mafia on a behavioral basis." if you prefer. G-Man loves twists and turns, so I just want to stress that mechanical information should be given some weight but not all the weight (and perhaps not most). I've seen too many games turn into pretzels because the allure of mechanics drove them out of behavioral hunting to the civilians' destruction, and this is a host where I would be particularly concerned.

We'll see how it goes. It's a preliminary caution; perhaps information will come to light later that shows my concern is overstated. Who knows.

Poison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:58 am How do you plan to approach this game then?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:46 am chard and Scirrus came to reasonable conclusions with their votes for me. I townread them.

Epignosis is trying to solve JJJ. I'll give him a townread for that. I want this to happen.

JJJ is posting in a manner he previously stated was uncomfortable. Not sure if that was a joke or a real feeling. He can surely explain. His vote for me is leaves a bit to be desired. Mild annoyance, he followed chardonnay's vote despite chard being listed in his "nothing" section.

Nanook shaded Jay for talking about game mechanics. No other reads. Big meh.


Nothing noteworthy from other players in my eyes as of yet (except for Grogu's TownWatch LLC, which I'm in the midst of applying for).

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:46 am chard and Scirrus came to reasonable conclusions with their votes for me. I townread them.

Epignosis is trying to solve JJJ. I'll give him a townread for that. I want this to happen.

JJJ is posting in a manner he previously stated was uncomfortable. Not sure if that was a joke or a real feeling. He can surely explain. His vote for me is leaves a bit to be desired. Mild annoyance, he followed chardonnay's vote despite chard being listed in his "nothing" section.

Nanook shaded Jay for talking about game mechanics. No other reads. Big meh.


Nothing noteworthy from other players in my eyes as of yet (except for Grogu's TownWatch LLC, which I'm in the midst of applying for).

Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:40 am

Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:14 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:25 pm Gaming mechanics IS playing mafia and the attitude that mechanics are somehow separate from the “real” game is continually baffling to me

I am this kind of player as well.
I am also historically bad at Day 0/1 reads because most of the content just looks like NAI nonsense to me.
I am envious of people with stronger insticts.
The best I can give you is how much I understand a player’s actions, and at this moment, I do not feel confused by any particular thread behavior.

I remain watching.

[1]

Who are you familiar with here? Nothing you like or dislike at all?

chardonnay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:40 am

Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:16 am

chardonnay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:47 am @Scirrus

Support my marmot push out of the kindness of your heart?

I kno you maybe SR me or something, (idk whats real and whats not), but we can totally support each other in a D1 push right?

-/--/-/-/-/

@Enrique

i dont want to make up tags, but where do you fall on that chart you ref''d?

Also support my marmot wagon?

I will answer you with a graphic tomorrow.

Have a good night!

[2]

i am holding you too this my homie! I wanna see your graphs. Wanna inspect them. :P

[6] i think, gonna rest now

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:36 pm @chardonnay, you said you don’t find Epignosis suspicious. Do you find him trustworthy?

@Grogu, what do you like about Marmot?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, are you alive?

@Poison and @Scirrus

Could you talk a bit more about your views on Chardonnay? I ask because despite their relatively thick posts, I haven’t felt much of anything from them. Each of you seems to feel something good.

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:25 pm Gaming mechanics IS playing mafia and the attitude that mechanics are somehow separate from the “real” game is continually baffling to me

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:22 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:46 am chard and Scirrus came to reasonable conclusions with their votes for me. I townread them.

What were their conclusions about you? Did they write those conclusions into posts?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:46 amJJJ is posting in a manner he previously stated was uncomfortable. Not sure if that was a joke or a real feeling. He can surely explain. His vote for me is leaves a bit to be desired. Mild annoyance, he followed chardonnay's vote despite chard being listed in his "nothing" section.

Eh? What did I say I was uncomfortable about? Are you referring to my opener thing about post count? It’s not uncomfortable to make 20 posts

Your takes on the votes on you confuse me. I don’t think any of the three of us explained much of anything; we just threw votes down because why not.

But chardonnay and Scirrus came to reasonable “conclusions” while I “leave something to be desired”. I’m going to need you to expand if you could.

I don’t really care that chardonnay was in my “nothings”. So what.

Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:45 pm Civilians need to be careful with their... OUR wording too!

Gonna be real though, I hate to see Marmot go on Day 1 so often, and if his weird understanding of the early votes for him is the thing that cements the wagon around him, I would like to avoid that lynch. I don’t see it as a scum maneuver, just a casual confusion.

To elaborate based on my own gameplay: my first post yesterday was going to talk about how at my first superficial read I didn’t get what chardonnay was doing/saying. So I re-read his posts and I thought, yeah, this makes sense, it’s actually fine, and decided to drop it from my own post. Maybe I wouldn’t word it as his vote deriving from “reasonable conclusions” but I think this is what Marmot means... the thread char spins isn’t hard to follow. Marmot does not share that view about Jay.

[3]

Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:23 pm The content is right there, making up 90% of the post where only one line references your misyeeting. Is my impression of you wrong?

[5]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:41 pm A little WIFOM to indulge: Marmot claimed vanilla about 8 hours before EOD under only superficial pressure.

I believe him. If he’s mafia he’s already robbed himself of the ability to fake claim later, and for what benefit? For me to make this read as a result? That’s the kind of WIFOM I tend to find weak. I don’t think Marmot should be today’s chop.

Separate notes:

Epignosis shitting in my corn flakes indicates little about his alignment. We’ve gotten into Day 1 fights many times before in just about every alignment permutation: c/c, c/m, m/c (don’t believe we’ve ever been m/m). So at face value: whatever. From a more nuanced view: his suspicion of me is based on junk. If he holds onto it all day then murder him.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:17 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:25 pm Gaming mechanics IS playing mafia and the attitude that mechanics are somehow separate from the “real” game is continually baffling to me

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME who was this post directed at? It looked like shading to me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:22 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:46 am chard and Scirrus came to reasonable conclusions with their votes for me. I townread them.

What were their conclusions about you? Did they write those conclusions into posts?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:46 amJJJ is posting in a manner he previously stated was uncomfortable. Not sure if that was a joke or a real feeling. He can surely explain. His vote for me is leaves a bit to be desired. Mild annoyance, he followed chardonnay's vote despite chard being listed in his "nothing" section.

Eh? What did I say I was uncomfortable about? Are you referring to my opener thing about post count? It’s not uncomfortable to make 20 posts

Your takes on the votes on you confuse me. I don’t think any of the three of us explained much of anything; we just threw votes down because why not.

But chardonnay and Scirrus came to reasonable “conclusions” while I “leave something to be desired”. I’m going to need you to expand if you could.

I don’t really care that chardonnay was in my “nothings”. So what.

Why was chard in your nothings is my question, and why did you follow his vote?

You started the game off with the statement that 10 posts feels like too much. Maybe it was a joke, maybe it wasn't, you tell me. Then here you are taking on a leader-like role in the game. My problem is that I don't trust your intentions. I know I'm town (and I'm vanilla, so Idc if I'm chopped today either), but I don't read your posts and see an intention to figure out if I'm town or not.

* * * * *

I don't have a strong reason to townread Grogu, but I will shield them for shielding me.

* * * * *

Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:45 pm Civilians need to be careful with their... OUR wording too!

Gonna be real though, I hate to see Marmot go on Day 1 so often, and if his weird understanding of the early votes for him is the thing that cements the wagon around him, I would like to avoid that lynch. I don’t see it as a scum maneuver, just a casual confusion.

To elaborate based on my own gameplay: my first post yesterday was going to talk about how at my first superficial read I didn’t get what chardonnay was doing/saying. So I re-read his posts and I thought, yeah, this makes sense, it’s actually fine, and decided to drop it from my own post. Maybe I wouldn’t word it as his vote deriving from “reasonable conclusions” but I think this is what Marmot means... the thread char spins isn’t hard to follow. Marmot does not share that view about Jay.

[3]

You and I haven't played together in a while, but I am not a common early misyeet like I used to be. Actually, I've played like a dozen games in my return to mafia last year, and I don't think I've been yeeted before Day 4 even once.

That said, I'd prefer if you opted to read me for my content instead of shielding me for being a common misyeet. There's no read involved there.

Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:59 pm Reading the JJJ-Epi dialogue the first time I didn't think much of it. I saw it as, precisely as JJJ says, just an exercise to draw out discussion. It's true that Epi hasn't been back or contributed more but I don't like that Jay has only been treating it more seriously. I would have been more concerned if Epi came back and doubled down first.

Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:59 pm Reading the JJJ-Epi dialogue the first time I didn't think much of it. I saw it as, precisely as JJJ says, just an exercise to draw out discussion. It's true that Epi hasn't been back or contributed more but I don't like that Jay has only been treating it more seriously. I would have been more concerned if Epi came back and doubled down first.

So out of the three people that currently have votes - Epi, Marmot, JJJ, I would vote for JimmyJay. reywaS wasn't a bad option either.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:14 pm Ok jay let’s gab

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:17 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:14 pm Ok jay let’s gab

I have 7 posts left after this one, so I'm gonna have to be frugal about them and/or cram walls into all of them. A few takes I'd appreciate if you have opinions:

Epignosis
chardonnay
Enrique
fingersplints

Also, @fingersplints, looks like G-Man will be revealing all roles in this game upon deaths (per rule 10), so we won't have the old-school unrevealed night kills/modkills.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:14 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:59 pm Reading the JJJ-Epi dialogue the first time I didn't think much of it. I saw it as, precisely as JJJ says, just an exercise to draw out discussion. It's true that Epi hasn't been back or contributed more but I don't like that Jay has only been treating it more seriously. I would have been more concerned if Epi came back and doubled down first.

So out of the three people that currently have votes - Epi, Marmot, JJJ, I would vote for JimmyJay. reywaS wasn't a bad option either.

Why do you think reywaS wasn’t a bad option? Do the inactive players not get replaced nowadays? I guess if the options are modkill or lynch, I suppose with lynch we would at least get to learn the role.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:46 am chard and Scirrus came to reasonable conclusions with their votes for me. I townread them.

Epignosis is trying to solve JJJ. I'll give him a townread for that. I want this to happen.

JJJ is posting in a manner he previously stated was uncomfortable. Not sure if that was a joke or a real feeling. He can surely explain. His vote for me is leaves a bit to be desired. Mild annoyance, he followed chardonnay's vote despite chard being listed in his "nothing" section.

Nanook shaded Jay for talking about game mechanics. No other reads. Big meh.


Nothing noteworthy from other players in my eyes as of yet (except for Grogu's TownWatch LLC, which I'm in the midst of applying for).

Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:18 pm

Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:40 am

Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:14 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:25 pm Gaming mechanics IS playing mafia and the attitude that mechanics are somehow separate from the “real” game is continually baffling to me

I am this kind of player as well.
I am also historically bad at Day 0/1 reads because most of the content just looks like NAI nonsense to me.
I am envious of people with stronger insticts.
The best I can give you is how much I understand a player’s actions, and at this moment, I do not feel confused by any particular thread behavior.

I remain watching.

[1]

Who are you familiar with here? Nothing you like or dislike at all?

I'm "familiar" with almost everybody from years ago, but I only play rarely and I don't keep a very conscious direct score of people's metas / how they've behaved in other games (unless there's a glaring and pertinent difference or similarity). I prefer to just follow people's thoughts inside a game, and yeah, it's always hard to get content I care about in the early game.

Don't want this to feel like an OMGUS and I know you're not going after me and this is nothing serious yet either, but if we're going on "feel" alone then I gotta tell you your posts are my least favorite so far. By which I mean, I see you and appreciate you asking some questions, but they're usually pretty boring and I can't see you being seriously interested in the answer

It's hard to put my finger on why but I like that Enrique's one sort of "read" is an uneasy feeling about the person asking him the question. IME mafia tend to give people answers they wanna here, and he's the only one so far who's said any sort of negative point on me. So it's not really opportunistic and feels like a genuine thought. And my questions have been somewhat generic lol, so him calling them boring made me laugh. They're mostly to help me get an idea of the group bc I don't have much experience playing here.

Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:18 pm

Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:40 am

Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:14 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:25 pm Gaming mechanics IS playing mafia and the attitude that mechanics are somehow separate from the “real” game is continually baffling to me

I am this kind of player as well.
I am also historically bad at Day 0/1 reads because most of the content just looks like NAI nonsense to me.
I am envious of people with stronger insticts.
The best I can give you is how much I understand a player’s actions, and at this moment, I do not feel confused by any particular thread behavior.

I remain watching.

[1]

Who are you familiar with here? Nothing you like or dislike at all?

I'm "familiar" with almost everybody from years ago, but I only play rarely and I don't keep a very conscious direct score of people's metas / how they've behaved in other games (unless there's a glaring and pertinent difference or similarity). I prefer to just follow people's thoughts inside a game, and yeah, it's always hard to get content I care about in the early game.

Don't want this to feel like an OMGUS and I know you're not going after me and this is nothing serious yet either, but if we're going on "feel" alone then I gotta tell you your posts are my least favorite so far. By which I mean, I see you and appreciate you asking some questions, but they're usually pretty boring and I can't see you being seriously interested in the answer