The Syndicate

thellama73 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:My son's name is Isaac, so this blinding talk is creeping me out yo. I assume its a game?

Bible much?

The bible has a lot of names. Not yours or mine that I know of though.

It didn't hurt that my husband is a big Isaac Asimov fan.

Hedgeowl wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:My son's name is Isaac, so this blinding talk is creeping me out yo. I assume its a game?

Bible much?

The bible has a lot of names. Not yours or mine that I know of though.

It didn't hurt that my husband is a big Isaac Asimov fan.

After these things, God tested Abraham, and said to him, "Abraham!" And he said, "Here I am." And he said, "Take your son, your only-begotten son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Mori'ah, and offer him there as a burnt offering upon one of the mountains of which I shall tell you." So Abraham rose early in the morning, saddled his donkey, and took two of his young men with him, and his son Isaac; and he cut the wood for the burnt offering and arose and went to the place of which God had told him. On the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes and saw the place afar off. Then Abraham said to his young men, "Stay here with the donkey; I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you." And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on Isaac, his son. And he took in his hand the fire and the knife. So they went both of them together. And Isaac said to his father Abraham, "My father!" And he said, "Here am I, my son." He said, "Behold, the fire and the wood; but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?"Abraham said, "God will provide himself the lamb for the brnt offering, my son." So the went both of them together.

When they came to the place of which God had told him, Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar, upon the wood. Then Abraham put forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. But the angel of the Lord called to him from Heaven, and said, "Abraham, Abraham!" And he said, "Here am I." He said, "Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only-begotten son, from me."

Isn't that a horrible story?

thellama73 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:My son's name is Isaac, so this blinding talk is creeping me out yo. I assume its a game?

Bible much?

The bible has a lot of names. Not yours or mine that I know of though.

It didn't hurt that my husband is a big Isaac Asimov fan.

After these things, God tested Abraham, and said to him, "Abraham!" And he said, "Here I am." And he said, "Take your son, your only-begotten son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Mori'ah, and offer him there as a burnt offering upon one of the mountains of which I shall tell you." So Abraham rose early in the morning, saddled his donkey, and took two of his young men with him, and his son Isaac; and he cut the wood for the burnt offering and arose and went to the place of which God had told him. On the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes and saw the place afar off. Then Abraham said to his young men, "Stay here with the donkey; I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you." And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on Isaac, his son. And he took in his hand the fire and the knife. So they went both of them together. And Isaac said to his father Abraham, "My father!" And he said, "Here am I, my son." He said, "Behold, the fire and the wood; but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?"Abraham said, "God will provide himself the lamb for the brnt offering, my son." So the went both of them together.

When they came to the place of which God had told him, Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar, upon the wood. Then Abraham put forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. But the angel of the Lord called to him from Heaven, and said, "Abraham, Abraham!" And he said, "Here am I." He said, "Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only-begotten son, from me."

Isn't that a horrible story?

Kierkegaard wrote a good book about that story k

thellama73 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:My son's name is Isaac, so this blinding talk is creeping me out yo. I assume its a game?

Bible much?

The bible has a lot of names. Not yours or mine that I know of though.

It didn't hurt that my husband is a big Isaac Asimov fan.

After these things, God tested Abraham, and said to him, "Abraham!" And he said, "Here I am." And he said, "Take your son, your only-begotten son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Mori'ah, and offer him there as a burnt offering upon one of the mountains of which I shall tell you." So Abraham rose early in the morning, saddled his donkey, and took two of his young men with him, and his son Isaac; and he cut the wood for the burnt offering and arose and went to the place of which God had told him. On the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes and saw the place afar off. Then Abraham said to his young men, "Stay here with the donkey; I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you." And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on Isaac, his son. And he took in his hand the fire and the knife. So they went both of them together. And Isaac said to his father Abraham, "My father!" And he said, "Here am I, my son." He said, "Behold, the fire and the wood; but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?"Abraham said, "God will provide himself the lamb for the brnt offering, my son." So the went both of them together.

When they came to the place of which God had told him, Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar, upon the wood. Then Abraham put forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. But the angel of the Lord called to him from Heaven, and said, "Abraham, Abraham!" And he said, "Here am I." He said, "Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only-begotten son, from me."

Isn't that a horrible story?

I don't think so. But that's a conversation to be had over chili and beer. You want a horrible story, read Judges 19.

Hedgeowl wrote:My son's name is Isaac, so this blinding talk is creeping me out yo. I assume its a game?

Is 13 an option? If so thats what I am checking. Soccer jersey # and all. Lucky 13!

Yes, it is a game!

Which one is a villain?

Can you imagine if the actual justice system worked like this game?

-We know one of these people committed a murder. Well, actually, they haven't commtted a murder yet, because it's only day one. Still, we'd better kill them just to be safe.

-Doesn't that make us the murderers instead of them?

-Shut up. Anyway, we have no hard evidence about which one of the people did it, so let's just guess! Oh, and we're going to let the people who are suspected of being murderers also be the jury, because that seems only fair.

-Wow, that's really smart! No wonder we elected you our leader.

-Darn tootin'.

thellama73 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:My son's name is Isaac, so this blinding talk is creeping me out yo. I assume its a game?

Bible much?

The bible has a lot of names. Not yours or mine that I know of though.

It didn't hurt that my husband is a big Isaac Asimov fan.

After these things, God tested Abraham, and said to him, "Abraham!" And he said, "Here I am." And he said, "Take your son, your only-begotten son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Mori'ah, and offer him there as a burnt offering upon one of the mountains of which I shall tell you." So Abraham rose early in the morning, saddled his donkey, and took two of his young men with him, and his son Isaac; and he cut the wood for the burnt offering and arose and went to the place of which God had told him. On the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes and saw the place afar off. Then Abraham said to his young men, "Stay here with the donkey; I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you." And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on Isaac, his son. And he took in his hand the fire and the knife. So they went both of them together. And Isaac said to his father Abraham, "My father!" And he said, "Here am I, my son." He said, "Behold, the fire and the wood; but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?"Abraham said, "God will provide himself the lamb for the brnt offering, my son." So the went both of them together.

When they came to the place of which God had told him, Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar, upon the wood. Then Abraham put forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. But the angel of the Lord called to him from Heaven, and said, "Abraham, Abraham!" And he said, "Here am I." He said, "Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only-begotten son, from me."

Isn't that a horrible story?

You don't like the name of my first-born son, of a first-born, of a first -born, etc. ? I seem to remember you helped us decide too.

I did read this just to make sure I was ok naming our son Isaac, but it's supposed to mean he who laughs, because Sarah or Abraham laughed when told she was with child, because she was too old they thought. So I think of it as a happy name.

Whoa to the murdering analyzing too. Good points all. We do put people in jail for failed kills though.

Lots of games do begin with the host getting murdered though. But some, yeah very true.

thellama73 wrote:Can you imagine if the actual justice system worked like this game?

-We know one of these people committed a murder. Well, actually, they haven't commtted a murder yet, because it's only day one. Still, we'd better kill them just to be safe.

-Doesn't that make us the murderers instead of them?

-Shut up. Anyway, we have no hard evidence about which one of the people did it, so let's just guess! Oh, and we're going to let the people who are suspected of being murderers also be the jury, because that seems only fair.

-Wow, that's really smart! No wonder we elected you our leader.

-Darn tootin'.

Where would attorneys work into this new paradigm?

Mongoose wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Can you imagine if the actual justice system worked like this game?

-We know one of these people committed a murder. Well, actually, they haven't commtted a murder yet, because it's only day one. Still, we'd better kill them just to be safe.

-Doesn't that make us the murderers instead of them?

-Shut up. Anyway, we have no hard evidence about which one of the people did it, so let's just guess! Oh, and we're going to let the people who are suspected of being murderers also be the jury, because that seems only fair.

-Wow, that's really smart! No wonder we elected you our leader.

-Darn tootin'.

Where would attorneys work into this new paradigm?

"Your honor, I object on the grounds of NO U!"

MovingPictures07 wrote:A little over 7 hours to vote!

Don't miss votes. You've been warned.

Don't tell me what to do! I'll miss votes if I please.

Who wants my vote?

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:A little over 7 hours to vote!

Don't miss votes. You've been warned.

Don't tell me what to do! I'll miss votes if I please.

Go ahead and see what happens!

MovingPictures07 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:A little over 7 hours to vote!

Don't miss votes. You've been warned.

Don't tell me what to do! I'll miss votes if I please.

Go ahead and see what happens!

Nah, I'll vote. But I'm probably going to either randomize or self-vote.

Glossolalia coats my skin.

Vompatti wrote:Who wants my vote?

We could trade, if you are interested.

I think Devin is Dr. Fetus......<__<

Jigsaw wrote:I think Devin is Dr. Fetus......<__<

Who are you?

Can I do a write-in vote?

Jigsaw wrote:I think Devin is Dr. Fetus......<__<

Sweet! My first vote already!! Your logic is impecable, sir

But you still didn't answer my question, Yo: It's good that you were able to look in 3 levels! That helps us cover more ground! But I'm a bit confused on how you were able to look in 3 levels. I assume a role secret, but I haven't been able to look through the roles very thoroughly.

Anyway, I'm going to ponder my voting options now... This shouldn't take long.

Mongoose wrote:

Vompatti wrote:Who wants my vote?

We could trade, if you are interested.

Sure.

Vompatti wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

Vompatti wrote:Who wants my vote?

We could trade, if you are interested.

Sure.

do it.

Also, did llama just say he was going to randomize or self-vote? Apparently you are not using sarcastic orange still eh?

I have no idea who to vote for at this point, but maybe I will do a reread, since thankfully its only 4 pages.

Vompatti wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

Vompatti wrote:Who wants my vote?

We could trade, if you are interested.

Sure.

I think I will just trade with my homie, Jigsaw! Love series and your choice of Avatar!

*votes*

EBWOP: "... the series..."

Absolutely nothing to really go on, so I'm just randomizing.

Sorry Nevinera.

I kind of want to see a 16-way tie and make MP sort it out. Should we do that?

Devin the Omniscient wrote: But you still didn't answer my question, Yo: It's good that you were able to look in 3 levels! That helps us cover more ground! But I'm a bit confused on how you were able to look in 3 levels. I assume a role secret, but I haven't been able to look through the roles very thoroughly.

It could also be related to his choice in the night poll.

There's not much to work with here. I'd really like to hear why Jigsaw thinks Devin is The Doctor, but I kind of doubt he's going to say (or that I'll be back before the vote closes - we're cooking out tonight). Jig looks to be new, and I really don't think his team would have let him say something like that if he were bad (though that would be a really clever play, if they thought of it).. He probably doesn't understand the conventions of certainty in mafia yet, but on the outside chance he did get info about Devin, I'm going to vote for Devin instead of randominzing.

linki: and apparently somebody is voting for me, so voting for someone that already has a vote is a side-bonus.

Thanks for ruining my 16-way tie idea, Nev.

Nevinera wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote: But you still didn't answer my question, Yo: It's good that you were able to look in 3 levels! That helps us cover more ground! But I'm a bit confused on how you were able to look in 3 levels. I assume a role secret, but I haven't been able to look through the roles very thoroughly.

It could also be related to his choice in the night poll.

There's not much to work with here. I'd really like to hear why Jigsaw thinks Devin is The Doctor, but I kind of doubt he's going to say (or that I'll be back before the vote closes - we're cooking out tonight). Jig looks to be new, and I really don't think his team would have let him say something like that if he were bad (though that would be a really clever play, if they thought of it).. He probably doesn't understand the conventions of certainty in mafia yet, but on the outside chance he did get info about Devin, I'm going to vote for Devin instead of randominzing.

linki: and apparently somebody is voting for me, so voting for someone that already has a vote is a side-bonus.

I would like to know why he thinks this, too. But I do think he may just be screwing with me (I know him personally).

And I would have loved to see a 16 way tie!! (linkie) Although wouldn't everyone have just lost 1 life?? Is that how this game works??

Also, 2 Votes!!

Vompatti wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

Vompatti wrote:Who wants my vote?

We could trade, if you are interested.

Sure.

*Voting Vompatti per our underhanded, backdoor agreement*

Devin the Omniscient wrote: And I would have loved to see a 16 way tie!! (linkie) Although wouldn't everyone have just lost 1 life?? Is that how this game works??

Good point! Since there are more civvies than baddies, can we assume that o aggregate there are more civvie "lives" than baddie "lives?" If we can make that assumption, shouldn't we spread out the vote as much as possible each lynch, so that the baddies will die off by attrition?

thellama73 wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote: And I would have loved to see a 16 way tie!! (linkie) Although wouldn't everyone have just lost 1 life?? Is that how this game works??

Good point! Since there are more civvies than baddies, can we assume that o aggregate there are more civvie "lives" than baddie "lives?" If we can make that assumption, shouldn't we spread out the vote as much as possible each lynch, so that the baddies will die off by attrition?

We would also be killing ourselves.

Mongoose wrote:

Vompatti wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

Vompatti wrote:Who wants my vote?

We could trade, if you are interested.

Sure.

*Voting Vompatti per our underhanded, backdoor agreement*

k

*votes Mongoose*

insertnamehere wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote: And I would have loved to see a 16 way tie!! (linkie) Although wouldn't everyone have just lost 1 life?? Is that how this game works??

Good point! Since there are more civvies than baddies, can we assume that o aggregate there are more civvie "lives" than baddie "lives?" If we can make that assumption, shouldn't we spread out the vote as much as possible each lynch, so that the baddies will die off by attrition?

We would also be killing ourselves.

It doesn't matter as long as we kill the baddies faster.

thellama73 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote: And I would have loved to see a 16 way tie!! (linkie) Although wouldn't everyone have just lost 1 life?? Is that how this game works??

Good point! Since there are more civvies than baddies, can we assume that o aggregate there are more civvie "lives" than baddie "lives?" If we can make that assumption, shouldn't we spread out the vote as much as possible each lynch, so that the baddies will die off by attrition?

We would also be killing ourselves.

It doesn't matter as long as we kill the baddies faster.

What if we take out really strong, helpful civvies, with powers that could help us out? It isn't worth the cost.

insertnamehere wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote: And I would have loved to see a 16 way tie!! (linkie) Although wouldn't everyone have just lost 1 life?? Is that how this game works??

Good point! Since there are more civvies than baddies, can we assume that o aggregate there are more civvie "lives" than baddie "lives?" If we can make that assumption, shouldn't we spread out the vote as much as possible each lynch, so that the baddies will die off by attrition?

We would also be killing ourselves.

It doesn't matter as long as we kill the baddies faster.

What if we take out really strong, helpful civvies, with powers that could help us out? It isn't worth the cost.

It won't matter as long as we keep spreading the vtes out. The powers would be irrelevant. We outnumber the baddies. They will all die off from attrition. My instincts tell me that your resistance to this idea might mean that you realize I'm right, so I'm voting for you today. Sorry, buddy.

thellama73 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote: And I would have loved to see a 16 way tie!! (linkie) Although wouldn't everyone have just lost 1 life?? Is that how this game works??

Good point! Since there are more civvies than baddies, can we assume that o aggregate there are more civvie "lives" than baddie "lives?" If we can make that assumption, shouldn't we spread out the vote as much as possible each lynch, so that the baddies will die off by attrition?

We would also be killing ourselves.

It doesn't matter as long as we kill the baddies faster.

I don't see this strategy working. I think we'd be firing too many blanks so to speak. We'd probably lynch several helpful, powerful civs in the process who could make it easier for us to win. And even then, we don't know for sure if baddies have less lives than civvies do.

This theory stinks of high heaven to me.

I forgot to add this in, but what if the baddies have some kind of vote manipulation ability? That would render llama's theory/idea fairly moot, because we would be handing control of all our lynches to them.

I think my choice of words to end that was a bit strong, so I apologize. I mean, I can see your point of view since we definitely have more civvies than baddies. I just worry about using such a strategy because of all the points I mentioned.

I will be back in time to vote but I have other things I need to do. I'll mull it over until then.

I like Llama's idea so in an effort to further it (and to make the poll graphs look more even) I vote for him.

A Person wrote:I like Llama's idea so in an effort to further it (and to make the poll graphs look more even) I vote for him.

Finally someone thinking sensibly.

thellama73 wrote:

A Person wrote:I like Llama's idea so in an effort to further it (and to make the poll graphs look more even) I vote for him.

Finally someone thinking sensibly.

I'm known for my sensible nature.

This whole plan is suspicious as fuck. Wild unbarred speculation: The baddies have a secret vote manipulation, making this fit to their advantage. This isn't going to benefit us, that's for sure.

insertnamehere wrote:This whole plan is suspicious as fuck. Wild unbarred speculation: The baddies have a secret vote manipulation, making this fit to their advantage. This isn't going to benefit us, that's for sure.

You really need to trust me more.

insertnamehere wrote:This whole plan is suspicious as fuck. Wild unbarred speculation: The baddies have a secret vote manipulation, making this fit to their advantage. This isn't going to benefit us, that's for sure.

This right here. What is going on here? I am voting Devin cause I agree with Nevs assessment and ya something feels wrong wrong about voting everyone equally.

votes devin