The Syndicate

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:10 pm**

Is it possible it's:
DarlingMonroe/Made
Brad/Bereft?
With some sort of mechanic to prevent Bereft from flipping so his partner isn't outted?

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:10 pm**

That'd help explain why we had so many deaths on our side last night, too. Given we were staggered so the vote hit us later. DM was VT as well.
That just makes more sense to me.

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:10 pm**

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:07 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:04 pm
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:01 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:00 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:59 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:57 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:55 pm
NO SHIT. Who controls the night kills? Made was on me for self pres as well. We didnt want to vote each other.
Given Gira's deflated attitude, it is a shock that they were killed over me or Ranmilia. Then again, Bereft was apparently killed N3 so maybe the wolves are just high. Still, why do you think Gira was the choice?
NGL I am glad they killed Gira, I was never getting there.
wait are you reading what I am saying? Legit I am saying Gira was killed to frame me
YOU are saying gira was killed to frame YOU???
yes. he was voting me. Made was voting me and just as leetic has pointed out (which is exactly the kind of push I was expecting after reading that eod btw so not happy there) What? do you think the Gira kill frames anyone else MORE?
uh yes it frames the heck out of me... i don't wanna talk about his last few posts but... did you read them...

raising my eyebrow at this self awareness

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:10 pm**

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:10 pm Is it possible it's:
DarlingMonroe/Made
Brad/Bereft?
With some sort of mechanic to prevent Bereft from flipping so his partner isn't outted?

Brad and Made are confirmed partners, they had BTSC

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:11 pm**

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:10 pm Is it possible it's:
DarlingMonroe/Made
Brad/Bereft?
With some sort of mechanic to prevent Bereft from flipping so his partner isn't outted?

Also Bereft died in the night and was dead by the time Brad arrived

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:11 pm**

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:10 pm That'd help explain why we had so many deaths on our side last night, too. Given we were staggered so the vote hit us later. DM was VT as well.
That just makes more sense to me.

I don't get what you mean by this

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:12 pm**

I think I've calculated that one w/w pairing is statistically common if the pairings are randomnized, and that seems to be the case since we have a confirmed w/t pairing

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:13 pm**

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:10 pm Is it possible it's:
DarlingMonroe/Made
Brad/Bereft?
With some sort of mechanic to prevent Bereft from flipping so his partner isn't outted?

Made was definitely with lime coke, lime posted in our thread and they both confirmed it

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:13 pm**

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:10 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:10 pm Is it possible it's:
DarlingMonroe/Made
Brad/Bereft?
With some sort of mechanic to prevent Bereft from flipping so his partner isn't outted?
Brad and Made are confirmed partners, they had BTSC

Ah damn, there goes that. Welp, partners being able to be different affs is not pleasant.

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:13 pm**

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:11 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:10 pm That'd help explain why we had so many deaths on our side last night, too. Given we were staggered so the vote hit us later. DM was VT as well.
That just makes more sense to me.
I don't get what you mean by this

Alas, nevermind

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:14 pm**

I believe my partner is probably Rondo. Someone else had said as much on our thread as well.

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:15 pm**

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:14 pm I believe my partner is probably Rondo. Someone else had said as much on our thread as well.

Yeah, the shadow votes confirm as such. Do you have a record of the shadow votes in the other thread?

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:16 pm**

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:15 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:14 pm I believe my partner is probably Rondo. Someone else had said as much on our thread as well.
Yeah, the shadow votes confirm as such. Do you have a record of the shadow votes in the other thread?

I remember Alexy mentioning getting them but frankly I... never noticed them.

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:17 pm**

Inclined to trust leetic because of the goose

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:19 pm**

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:15 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:14 pm I believe my partner is probably Rondo. Someone else had said as much on our thread as well.
Yeah, the shadow votes confirm as such. Do you have a record of the shadow votes in the other thread?

all I remember is tutu got one on day 2

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:24 pm**

Alexy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:19 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:15 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:14 pm I believe my partner is probably Rondo. Someone else had said as much on our thread as well.
Yeah, the shadow votes confirm as such. Do you have a record of the shadow votes in the other thread?
all I remember is tutu got one on day 2

Can you check to see if anyone else got one? tutuu obviously got one because of robyn, but if Cape90 or DrWilgy got one it's because of ted

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:24 pm**

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:11 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:10 pm That'd help explain why we had so many deaths on our side last night, too. Given we were staggered so the vote hit us later. DM was VT as well.
That just makes more sense to me.
I don't get what you mean by this

I guess I could ask you directly if you ever got a shadow vote.

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:25 pm**

Alexy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:19 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:15 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:14 pm I believe my partner is probably Rondo. Someone else had said as much on our thread as well.
Yeah, the shadow votes confirm as such. Do you have a record of the shadow votes in the other thread?
all I remember is tutu got one on day 2

Are you still on comms with pyxxy? I still have chat with jack but he's not been around yet.

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:25 pm**

oh speak of the devil he just showed up

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:32 pm**

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:24 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:11 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:10 pm That'd help explain why we had so many deaths on our side last night, too. Given we were staggered so the vote hit us later. DM was VT as well.
That just makes more sense to me.
I don't get what you mean by this
I guess I could ask you directly if you ever got a shadow vote.

I never have

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:32 pm**

I never really got what the shadow vote thing was about

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:33 pm**

So we have nine players remaining. Supposedly, this has a potential (though not guaranteed) chance of a mislynch ending the game. I think that means four wolves is right out, but what else does that say? Is it true that DarlingMonroe and tutuu died at the same thing? Apparently despite the extra player the other thread has less representatives here, so I wonder what made the difference

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:33 pm**

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:32 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:24 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:11 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:10 pm That'd help explain why we had so many deaths on our side last night, too. Given we were staggered so the vote hit us later. DM was VT as well.
That just makes more sense to me.
I don't get what you mean by this
I guess I could ask you directly if you ever got a shadow vote.
I never have

So you're probably my partner (assuming Wilgy did receive a shadow vote). And with that, every pairing seems to have been confirmed.

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:38 pm**

I still think that solving from the idea that there are two remaining from my thread and one from the other is best. I doubt that only two wolves threatens to end the game here unless we are dealing with ridiculous KP or a very swingy ITP.

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:44 pm**

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:38 pm I still think that solving from the idea that there are two remaining from my thread and one from the other is best. I doubt that only two wolves threatens to end the game here unless we are dealing with ridiculous KP or a very swingy ITP.

And from that, I think it would probably be best to look at my side, as from my perspective, voting in Abby/Ranmilia/RDB/tedxtr seems to have a 50% chance to hit a wolf. Maybe that's because I don't know where to start when looking at the people from the other thread though.

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:45 pm**

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:38 pm I still think that solving from the idea that there are two remaining from my thread and one from the other is best. I doubt that only two wolves threatens to end the game here unless we are dealing with ridiculous KP or a very swingy ITP.

well we did just have a billion deaths in a night but, yeah. thinking bereft was likely 3p at this point.

all the PR claims (except darling) apparently living is. certainly. something. jack's initial thought is alexy last wolf on his side.

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:46 pm**

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:10 pm Is it possible it's:
DarlingMonroe/Made
Brad/Bereft?
With some sort of mechanic to prevent Bereft from flipping so his partner isn't outted?

I do think this confusion is a bit townie; I at least doubt that psv would say this if psv/RDB is w/w

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:03 am**

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:11 pm Scotty recently died and he was a 3-shot re-director it looks like

Oh yeah, and to anyone who doubts my claims of being three-shot, here you go

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:03 am**

The potential game end makes me worried about voting in our side, if it's true we were "in lylo". and also i. don't know who it is. from yesterday it feels like it has to be rondo but... i'm compromised and demoralized.

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:05 am**

people from workthread, can we get a recap on how the lime coke kill day went?

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:05 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:00 pm NOTE: While this is not technically an "endgame" phase in the classical sense, it is possible for the game to end this cycle. The only certain path to continuation is by voting out a mafia member.[/size]

Given this wording, I doubt it's an ITP causing the issue, as otherwise lynching them would almost certainly guarantee the game to continue. I also think this means that no lynch isn't a safe vote either.

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:10 am**

6-3, which this game seems to be most likely at, isn't typically LyLo or even MyLo for that matter, so there has to be a twist here. It can't be 5-4, which is guaranteed LyLo. 5-3-1 would maybe make sense, except that lynching the ITP would guarantee the game to continue in that case and the OP says that lynching a wolf is the only way to do that.

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:20 am**

Does anyone from the other thread have any idea how DarlingMonroe and tutuu died? I feel like I've asked this multiple times and have yet to get an answer

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:59 am**

No clue

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:01 am**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:59 amNo clue

Just checking, did you ever receive a shadow vote?

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:03 am**

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:01 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:59 amNo clue
Just checking, did you ever receive a shadow vote?

I did not

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:04 am**

I assume people know they got one because they were informed?

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:07 am**

Thinking about how we move forward with our suspicions. It's odd that here we are d5 and it feels like d1 abit.

PSV is the only one I'd say is not W from our group.

Alexy more wolfy than Cape.

If I had to vote for anyone right now it'd probably be Alexy while acknowledging that it may still be Cape.

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:08 am**

I have to plan for my ttrpg session tonight and then GM it tomorrow. Between work and sleep I have a bit of time tonight and almost no time within the next 36 hours after that. So I will try to show up later and vote but ill just be [VOTE: no vote ] aubergine for now

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:09 am**

While we may not be able to quote iso's I think it'd be helpful if we reviewed our threads and at least comment as to who should be removed from PoE and why.

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:10 am**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:08 am I have to plan for my ttrpg session tonight and then GM it tomorrow. Between work and sleep I have a bit of time tonight and almost no time within the next 36 hours after that. So I will try to show up later and vote but ill just be [VOTE: no vote ] aubergine for now

Why vote no vote when it's just the same as not voting at all?

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:12 am**

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:10 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:08 am I have to plan for my ttrpg session tonight and then GM it tomorrow. Between work and sleep I have a bit of time tonight and almost no time within the next 36 hours after that. So I will try to show up later and vote but ill just be [VOTE: no vote ] aubergine for now
Why vote no vote when it's just the same as not voting at all?

Because I find it funny and I get reactions like this

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:16 am**

Wait, I just had an Idea.

What if thread merged because wolves already won in thread 2? What if there are 2 wolves left in thread 2 and 1 wolf left in thread 1? Does that make any sense?

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:19 am**

Sup I'll catch up in a bit

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:22 am**

Just skimmed both Alexy and Cape's ISO.

With Cape there's enough early interactions between Ilario and Brad that voting there over Alexy would be unwise I think.

PoE our side is just Alexy as it stands.

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:23 am**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:16 am Wait, I just had an Idea.

What if thread merged because wolves already won in thread 2? What if there are 2 wolves left in thread 2 and 1 wolf left in thread 1? Does that make any sense?

4 wolves with this player count FEELS low, but the thought did cross my mind.

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:24 am**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:16 am Wait, I just had an Idea.

What if thread merged because wolves already won in thread 2? What if there are 2 wolves left in thread 2 and 1 wolf left in thread 1? Does that make any sense?

9-4-1 doesn't appear too balanced but what do I know. But assuming three wolves in each thread ours was at LyLo and theirs was at MiLo, assuming no ITPs of course.

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:26 am**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:09 am While we may not be able to quote iso's I think it'd be helpful if we reviewed our threads and at least comment as to who should be removed from PoE and why.

me - killed TSP, attested towny by all dead town, kept alive because i was tunneled on dizzymade and prob shielding a wolf in rondo/abi, can't wolf this well and would be a ridiculously self defeating strategy.

leetic - constantly solving, often abrasive but has what we call a reality distortion field. jack has several games experience with and swears up and down this is town leetic. tracker claim.

... that's pretty much it on our side.

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:26 am**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:22 am Just skimmed both Alexy and Cape's ISO.

With Cape there's enough early interactions between Ilario and Brad that voting there over Alexy would be unwise I think.

PoE our side is just Alexy as it stands.

Yeah, your side may have the easier solve with two flipped wolves but I'll always feel a little uncomfortable voting there as I can't verify these interactions for myself

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:26 am**

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:24 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:16 am Wait, I just had an Idea.

What if thread merged because wolves already won in thread 2? What if there are 2 wolves left in thread 2 and 1 wolf left in thread 1? Does that make any sense?
9-4-1 doesn't appear too balanced but what do I know. But assuming three wolves in each thread ours was at LyLo and theirs was at MiLo, assuming no ITPs of course.

what is ITP?

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