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Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:03 pm
by Lemonfairy
really liking SVS's posts
feels qualitatively different from last game's

hope I'm not getting pocketed again

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:09 pm
by Long Con
I don't think S~V~S revealing her artist role flavour is anything AI. That said, I'm Fall Out Boy! The only artist I haven't seen live from the cancelled Green Day - Weezer - Fall Out Boy Hella Mega Tour. COVID killed it. But I saw Weezer when they came to Toronto, and just last night I saw Rancid-Smashing Pumpkins-Green Day! Probably a major reason why I wasn't online and being aware of Mafia.

I love this song from Fall Out Boy, it's a banger!


Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:10 pm
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:20 pm [VOTE: unvote] aubergine for now
Wowee why?

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:10 pm
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:24 pm actually

[VOTE: Cannot] aubergine
Wowee why?

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:11 pm
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:39 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:36 pm Wowee wolfs often try to push pressure of themselves by calling it omgus but wowee someone can indeed just think that someone pushing them is playing wolfy though
what would this be? reverse-OMGUS?
OMGUS-ception?
Wowee I really like how your trying to shade me by making it sound like I'm only voting you because you pushed me and that I couldn't possibly just think your a wolf independent of that

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:12 pm
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:47 pm
Roxy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:53 pm don't worry Princess you will forever reign in the honor of top poster, no one can supplant you!
idk if I'm reading too much into things but this feels a bit pockety?
How is calling me top poster pocketing me lol

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:12 pm
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:52 pm
DrWilgy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 2:49 pm [VOTE: WILGY] aubergine

Gladly. You are the chosen one.
this is wild

but also kind of funny
probably NAI?
I think it depends on one thing which I will bring up later

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:13 pm
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:57 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 4:47 pm Anyways yes I think the wolves have split attention on me too have 1 wolf push me while another tries to pocket me
wait, so your post saying I was town was... sarcasm?

hmmm... still kinda towny though
No I think your town I think cannot and wilgy are woofs right now

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:13 pm
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
Wowee I'm not top posting

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:16 pm
by Lemonfairy
I'm probably at:

SVS - #78 points are IMO pretty concise and on the dot, it's easy to see where they are coming from
Abi - fluidity with a sprinkle of wariness that I tend to associate with town

Wilgy - nonchalance about appearance, stirring the waters a bit
Long Con - originally in nulls because not enough posts but last 2 questions were a bit sharp and I kind of liked it

nulls:
Monroe - will see when they come back
falcon - so far NAI

Roxy? - feels very different from their last game, could be for NAI reasons but I'm keeping my lemony eyes peeled
Cannot - dropped vote on Abi, explanation felt a bit too self-conscious

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:20 pm
by Lemonfairy
Long Con wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:36 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:34 pm
Roxy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:22 pm yah I feel the same Lemon is a mess this game but does it make them bad? idk,idk
I think I was messier last game?
So are you saying messiness is a Town quality of yours? Are you neat and organized as a Wolf?
IDK, it's probably NAI?
I wasn't thinking about my alignment when I answered

but to answer your question, I think I probably play a bit more cautiously as a wolf
the byproduct of that would probably be less messiness?

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:21 pm
by Lemonfairy
Long Con wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:01 pm Wilgy's intentional inscrutability.
you think it's intentional?
then do you think it's bad intentional or NAI intentional?

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:30 pm
by Lemonfairy
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:10 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:20 pm [VOTE: unvote] aubergine for now
Wowee why?
read changed
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:10 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:24 pm actually

[VOTE: Cannot] aubergine
Wowee why?
probably the most suspicious out of everyone so far

I think with Roxy, I like to imagine I'd be able to get a better read on with more posts if I'm wrong (or I could sheep someone else's read there)

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:32 pm
by Lemonfairy
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:11 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:39 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:36 pm Wowee wolfs often try to push pressure of themselves by calling it omgus but wowee someone can indeed just think that someone pushing them is playing wolfy though
what would this be? reverse-OMGUS?
OMGUS-ception?
Wowee I really like how your trying to shade me by making it sound like I'm only voting you because you pushed me and that I couldn't possibly just think your a wolf independent of that
but didn't you say yourself that me pushing you was wolfy?
wait, ig I misread that

but you also never explained why you thought I was wolfy

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:38 pm
by Lemonfairy
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:12 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:47 pm
Roxy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:53 pm don't worry Princess you will forever reign in the honor of top poster, no one can supplant you!
idk if I'm reading too much into things but this feels a bit pockety?
How is calling me top poster pocketing me lol
probably just me overthinking

I tend to see friendliness that surpasses my unknown internal threshold of what a regular degree of friendliness is as pockety
side note, it's kind of interesting seeing pretty much the whole thread start townreading you that I think you might be TMI'd town by someone at some point

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:40 pm
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:32 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:11 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:39 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:36 pm Wowee wolfs often try to push pressure of themselves by calling it omgus but wowee someone can indeed just think that someone pushing them is playing wolfy though
what would this be? reverse-OMGUS?
OMGUS-ception?
Wowee I really like how your trying to shade me by making it sound like I'm only voting you because you pushed me and that I couldn't possibly just think your a wolf independent of that
but didn't you say yourself that me pushing you was wolfy?
wait, ig I misread that

but you also never explained why you thought I was wolfy
Yeah explaining things is annoying

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:41 pm
by Lemonfairy
ok maybe not the whole thread but all the reads/treatment of your slot I've seen so far

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:44 pm
by Cannoticale
I made a big mistake and don't really have the time to be invested into this game.

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:46 pm
by Lemonfairy
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:40 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:32 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:11 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:39 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:36 pm Wowee wolfs often try to push pressure of themselves by calling it omgus but wowee someone can indeed just think that someone pushing them is playing wolfy though
what would this be? reverse-OMGUS?
OMGUS-ception?
Wowee I really like how your trying to shade me by making it sound like I'm only voting you because you pushed me and that I couldn't possibly just think your a wolf independent of that
but didn't you say yourself that me pushing you was wolfy?
wait, ig I misread that

but you also never explained why you thought I was wolfy
Yeah explaining things is annoying
oh right, I remember you said that you don't like explaining before

hmmm let's see... what are your thoughts on SVS and Roxy?

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:47 pm
by Long Con
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:21 pm
Long Con wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:01 pm Wilgy's intentional inscrutability.
you think it's intentional?
then do you think it's bad intentional or NAI intentional?
I think that a Town member should do their best to appear Town, not to be inscrutable.

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:47 pm
by Lemonfairy
Cannoticale wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:44 pm I made a big mistake and don't really have the time to be invested into this game.
that's ok, just do your best with what you have

any reads/thoughts on people so far?

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:49 pm
by Long Con
Cannoticale wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:44 pm I made a big mistake and don't really have the time to be invested into this game.
That kind of thing engenders the most regret when a Wolf team is counting on you.

[VOTE: Connaticale] aubergine

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:49 pm
by Lemonfairy
Long Con wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:47 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:21 pm
Long Con wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:01 pm Wilgy's intentional inscrutability.
you think it's intentional?
then do you think it's bad intentional or NAI intentional?
I think that a Town member should do their best to appear Town, not to be inscrutable.
fair

I think Wigly was very towny in the Monopoly game so I'm kind of just waiting for that to happen again if they are town

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:51 pm
by Long Con
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:49 pm
Long Con wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:47 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:21 pm
Long Con wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:01 pm Wilgy's intentional inscrutability.
you think it's intentional?
then do you think it's bad intentional or NAI intentional?
I think that a Town member should do their best to appear Town, not to be inscrutable.
fair

I think Wigly was very towny in the Monopoly game so I'm kind of just waiting for that to happen again if they are town
Could be just doing "too zany to vote out" for Day 1. He is a valued member of the Town when he applies himself.

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:01 pm
by Long Con
I know that voting Cannoticale for the reason I did is sort of cheap, but it's one of the first things I thought of, and it's based on experience. You can be Town in a game in which you don't really have time, and skate by, and be like "yeah sorry everyone", but in a 7-2 game as a Wolf, it becomes more of an issue. Is this way too angleshooty, and I should be like a lawyer where the judge has disacarded certain evidence?

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:02 pm
by Long Con
*discarded

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 12:41 am
by Cannoticale
Long Con wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:49 pm
Cannoticale wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:44 pm I made a big mistake and don't really have the time to be invested into this game.
That kind of thing engenders the most regret when a Wolf team is counting on you.

[VOTE: Connaticale] aubergine
This mistake wasn't referring to the game, sorry about the confusion!

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 1:49 am
by Cannoticale
In my opinion, Roxy looks significantly better than the last game I played in due to generally being more active.

Lemonfairy also seems okay but they have moments where they seem awkward in thread posting. I'll provide more examples in a moment.

Long Con has the conviction of a player who believes that they just caught something damning (which is farther reflected in their posts).

Princess Abigail seems to not really care what other people think about her, since her posting is very carefree and open, although she asks questions which makes it seem like she does indeed care.

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 1:53 am
by Cannoticale
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:52 pm
DrWilgy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 2:49 pm [VOTE: WILGY] aubergine

Gladly. You are the chosen one.
this is wild

but also kind of funny
probably NAI?
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:55 pm oops
sorry for the double post
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:57 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 4:47 pm Anyways yes I think the wolves have split attention on me too have 1 wolf push me while another tries to pocket me
wait, so your post saying I was town was... sarcasm?

hmmm... still kinda towny though
Above are three different examples of Lemonfairy losing confidence (and therefore sounding awkward) while posting all by themself.
It's a strange reciprocal of their posting while other players are around, and to me, it indicates that they may not see a purpose, or struggle seeing a purpose to posting without other players around.

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 1:55 am
by Cannoticale
Lemonfairy wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:26 pm well hello there
I see so many people have posted already
wow amazing
Roxy wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:29 pm first time being first


Listened to this song about 4379 times in my life
Roxy comments about being first... which I'm going to call wolfy because I did that once when I was a wolf (I probably also did it as town but my memories are bad)

4379 is a lot of times to listen to a song
let's see... guitars are a fairly twang-y
I don't really like seeing rain falling on these instruments, it makes me kind of sad (the water will surely ruin them)
S~V~S wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 6:01 pm My artist is someone I was unfamiliar with, Baby Queen. While her style is not the kind of thing I normally listen to, I did enjoy the song, and I might seek out other songs by her. It had a "girls at home" vibe I found appealing. Kind of a pop girl/feme rapper mashup.
SVS entering with a flavor claim
feels a bit bold but it might also be purposefully trying to appear open and trustworthy while hiding nefarious intentions (of course)
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 9:34 pm Wowee what a start
then we have Abigail coming in with a very minimal post
maybe perhaps they are trying to hide something and the fewer the words, the less likely anything will be leaked
For instance, this post seems like it is trying to encourage the town to start in a direction that encourages more suspicion as opposed to more clears; the playstyle that directly benefits the mafia most of the time.

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 1:57 am
by Cannoticale
I would also like to state that none of my reads are in any way influenced by suspicion on myself, or votes on myself.

I have intentionally ignored those posts to avoid allegations of bias for the sake of clarity and cohesion.

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 2:03 am
by Cannoticale
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:36 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:44 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 11:13 pm Wowee this is not a good way to read players
it is according to me (I'm kidding, somewhat)
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 11:13 pm Wowee
OK so right after I said saying wowee is wolfy, Abigail posts another wowee with a wolf emote
feels like they are trying to prove they are unaffected by what I say (and attempting to look towny by doing so)
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 11:14 pm Wowee lemon rolled wolf
curious read
probably has some OMGUS
Wowee wolfs often try to push pressure of themselves by calling it omgus but wowee someone can indeed just think that someone pushing them is playing wolfy though
In fact, I would go as far as to say that the interactions between Lemonfairy and Princess Abigail seem quite natural and it does not feel like either side has the perceived advantage of being able to substantially manipulate the other side through outside means, meaning it is a completely standard interaction.

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 2:05 am
by Cannoticale
Either way, that's enough for today. I don't really have too much time to many other things, so this will have to do for now.

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 7:39 am
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:46 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:40 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:32 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:11 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:39 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:36 pm Wowee wolfs often try to push pressure of themselves by calling it omgus but wowee someone can indeed just think that someone pushing them is playing wolfy though
what would this be? reverse-OMGUS?
OMGUS-ception?
Wowee I really like how your trying to shade me by making it sound like I'm only voting you because you pushed me and that I couldn't possibly just think your a wolf independent of that
but didn't you say yourself that me pushing you was wolfy?
wait, ig I misread that

but you also never explained why you thought I was wolfy
Yeah explaining things is annoying
oh right, I remember you said that you don't like explaining before

hmmm let's see... what are your thoughts on SVS and Roxy?
I mean I can explain things it really depends on different factors

Right now I'm kinda feeling disenchanted with mafia fur ~~reasons~~ and I'm trying to get back into it but that does make me going all in explaining my thoughts harder

Mafia is super important to me though and I want this feeling to go away

I honestly think both are more towny than not at the moment but it's light nobody but you is in my town core right now

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 7:40 am
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
Long Con wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:47 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:21 pm
Long Con wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:01 pm Wilgy's intentional inscrutability.
you think it's intentional?
then do you think it's bad intentional or NAI intentional?
I think that a Town member should do their best to appear Town, not to be inscrutable.
Why wouldn't you want to blend metas to make it harder to be found as wolf lol

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 7:40 am
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
Long Con wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:49 pm
Cannoticale wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:44 pm I made a big mistake and don't really have the time to be invested into this game.
That kind of thing engenders the most regret when a Wolf team is counting on you.

[VOTE: Connaticale] aubergine
I kinda don't like this read

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 7:42 am
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
Wheee

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:11 am
by S~V~S
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:30 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:10 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:20 pm [VOTE: unvote] aubergine for now
Wowee why?
read changed
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:10 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:24 pm actually

[VOTE: Cannot] aubergine
Wowee why?
probably the most suspicious out of everyone so far

I think with Roxy, I like to imagine I'd be able to get a better read on with more posts if I'm wrong (or I could sheep someone else's read there)
In what way is she supish? I don't see that you elaborated.
Cannoticale wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:44 pm I made a big mistake and don't really have the time to be invested into this game.
Ok, I find this interesting. Lemon was the first vote on Cannoticale. Cannoticale said ^^. A bit later, LC puts that second vote on Cannoticale.
Long Con wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:49 pm
Cannoticale wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:44 pm I made a big mistake and don't really have the time to be invested into this game.
That kind of thing engenders the most regret when a Wolf team is counting on you.

[VOTE: Connaticale] aubergine
This post leads me to put LC at the top of my town list:
Long Con wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:01 pm I know that voting Cannoticale for the reason I did is sort of cheap, but it's one of the first things I thought of, and it's based on experience. You can be Town in a game in which you don't really have time, and skate by, and be like "yeah sorry everyone", but in a 7-2 game as a Wolf, it becomes more of an issue. Is this way too angleshooty, and I should be like a lawyer where the judge has disacarded certain evidence?
To my pov, LC is often an opportunistic civ, and I find this to be a very townie thing for him to say.

So anyhow, Cannot has 2 votes as of 9:50.

Lemon asks him opinions on Wilgy, thread goes dead for a while. Then Cannot comes back.

**Gonna do a second post to avoid this being too wall and making anyones eyes bleed lol.

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:35 am
by S~V~S
Cannoticale wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 1:49 am In my opinion, Roxy looks significantly better than the last game I played in due to generally being more active.

Lemonfairy also seems okay but they have moments where they seem awkward in thread posting. I'll provide more examples in a moment.

Long Con has the conviction of a player who believes that they just caught something damning (which is farther reflected in their posts).

Princess Abigail seems to not really care what other people think about her, since her posting is very carefree and open, although she asks questions which makes it seem like she does indeed care.
Before this she made a post saying her mistake wasn't game related. At this time, she has two votes, and knows (I assume~ she did not acknowledge it) she may have a vote coming from me.

She says this, mentions three people. Lemon is OK, but seems awkward. As an aside, I think this posting style is very typical of how Lemon posts, and is NAI from my POV, having played several town games with her (and tried to frame her in our most recent game together when she was town) and having hosted her as a wolf.

Then Cannot goes into a kinda soft case against Lemon.
Cannoticale wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 1:55 am
Lemonfairy wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:26 pm well hello there
I see so many people have posted already
wow amazing
Roxy wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:29 pm first time being first


Listened to this song about 4379 times in my life
Roxy comments about being first... which I'm going to call wolfy because I did that once when I was a wolf (I probably also did it as town but my memories are bad)

4379 is a lot of times to listen to a song
let's see... guitars are a fairly twang-y
I don't really like seeing rain falling on these instruments, it makes me kind of sad (the water will surely ruin them)
S~V~S wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 6:01 pm My artist is someone I was unfamiliar with, Baby Queen. While her style is not the kind of thing I normally listen to, I did enjoy the song, and I might seek out other songs by her. It had a "girls at home" vibe I found appealing. Kind of a pop girl/feme rapper mashup.
SVS entering with a flavor claim
feels a bit bold but it might also be purposefully trying to appear open and trustworthy while hiding nefarious intentions (of course)
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 9:34 pm Wowee what a start
then we have Abigail coming in with a very minimal post
maybe perhaps they are trying to hide something and the fewer the words, the less likely anything will be leaked
For instance, this post seems like it is trying to encourage the town to start in a direction that encourages more suspicion as opposed to more clears; the playstyle that directly benefits the mafia most of the time.

Like this. Some people play this way, and this mindset explains why in a blended community I often take a lot of sus; I play this way. But this is a very very weak point. Is it OMGUS, or is it ... something else?
Cannoticale wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 1:57 am I would also like to state that none of my reads are in any way influenced by suspicion on myself, or votes on myself.

I have intentionally ignored those posts to avoid allegations of bias for the sake of clarity and cohesion.
Thanks for clearing that up.

Then Cannot makes a few posts that I don't understand the point of.
Cannoticale wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 2:03 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:36 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:44 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 11:13 pm Wowee this is not a good way to read players
it is according to me (I'm kidding, somewhat)
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 11:13 pm Wowee
OK so right after I said saying wowee is wolfy, Abigail posts another wowee with a wolf emote
feels like they are trying to prove they are unaffected by what I say (and attempting to look towny by doing so)
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 11:14 pm Wowee lemon rolled wolf
curious read
probably has some OMGUS
Wowee wolfs often try to push pressure of themselves by calling it omgus but wowee someone can indeed just think that someone pushing them is playing wolfy though
In fact, I would go as far as to say that the interactions between Lemonfairy and Princess Abigail seem quite natural and it does not feel like either side has the perceived advantage of being able to substantially manipulate the other side through outside means, meaning it is a completely standard interaction.
This sounds like she thinks Lemon and Abigail sound ... natural? Since her current vote is on Lemon (she didn;t post this vote, so nut sure when it happened).

Her "case" on Lemon feels fake and forced, and feels like she doesn't actually believe it herself. It doesn't even feel like a real OMGUS. But i have never played with her, so don't know how coolheaded she is.

Based on Lemons own play, which is how I try to judge people, she feels town to me. But this "case" based on awkwardness, feels almost like distancing to me. Like Cannot expected that she was going down, and was setting up some distancing sus on a partner.

I mean, she isn't trying to save herself, her case on Lemon is weak, so she doesn't actually seem to be trying to yeet Lemon, either.

So like I said, if Cannot goes, and she does flip bad, I continue to judge lemon based on her own play. But when I first read all of this, that is how it struck me.

Cannoticale expectes to be yeeted, she isn't trying to stop it. She made a "case" on someone, and voted for them, but Cannot doesn't seem to actually be feeling this case (to me at least).

So I wanted to put this out there. Not sure *I* even believe it lol. But it IS how it struck me when I read it, that Cannoticale is distancing from Lemon.

Imma drop a vote on [VOTE: Cannoticale] aubergine; she feels a bit like she's flailing to me.

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:46 am
by S~V~S
Long Con wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:51 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:49 pm
Long Con wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:47 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:21 pm
Long Con wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:01 pm Wilgy's intentional inscrutability.
you think it's intentional?
then do you think it's bad intentional or NAI intentional?
I think that a Town member should do their best to appear Town, not to be inscrutable.
fair

I think Wigly was very towny in the Monopoly game so I'm kind of just waiting for that to happen again if they are town
Could be just doing "too zany to vote out" for Day 1. He is a valued member of the Town when he applies himself.
My experience with Wilgy is that when he is yeeted Day One for Zaniness, most of the time he's town. He brings out the srs bsns sooner when he's bad. Which isn't to say he doesn't know this himself, and can fool us. I pay more attention to Wilgy than i do to anyone else, because his game is always in motion, and I can't pin down any expectations I have for him, so he has fooled me often. :scared: But overall, I don't like yeeting Wilgy Day 1 (or any day, really) for zaniness.

K, I'll be home most of the day, and will pop in and out.

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:57 am
by S~V~S
This is the middle section of the poll, posting it mainly to show Cannots vote for Lemon since it isn’t posted. I’m too lazy to format 2 images to post. One vote is not shown here; Abigail has voted for LC.

Image

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:59 am
by S~V~S
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:03 pm really liking SVS's posts
feels qualitatively different from last game's

hope I'm not getting pocketed again
This is why I'm always amazed that more people don't find me polarized, tbh. I mean, I'm good at lying and being tricksy, but somethings you just can't fake.

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:00 am
by Lemonfairy
Long Con wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:01 pm I know that voting Cannoticale for the reason I did is sort of cheap, but it's one of the first things I thought of, and it's based on experience. You can be Town in a game in which you don't really have time, and skate by, and be like "yeah sorry everyone", but in a 7-2 game as a Wolf, it becomes more of an issue. Is this way too angleshooty, and I should be like a lawyer where the judge has disacarded certain evidence?
I kind of don't like this
partly because it feels a bit overexplainy
partly because I feel the reason is too light to substantiate a vote

(I am aware my reason was not super solid either, I think it might be the combination of the reason and the explanation or something but to sum it up, the vibes feel a bit off)

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:09 am
by Lemonfairy
Cannoticale wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 1:49 am In my opinion, Roxy looks significantly better than the last game I played in due to generally being more active.

Lemonfairy also seems okay but they have moments where they seem awkward in thread posting. I'll provide more examples in a moment.

Long Con has the conviction of a player who believes that they just caught something damning (which is farther reflected in their posts).

Princess Abigail seems to not really care what other people think about her, since her posting is very carefree and open, although she asks questions which makes it seem like she does indeed care.
I have also heard a snippet of Roxy not being active in a wolf game but I believe it is more NAI than AI

do you think "awkward" posting is scum indicative?

if Cannot is wolf, I think this post spewed Long Con as town

this feels too waffly for my taste... although now that I read it again...
I think what you said - that Abi doesn't care about what other people think about her and that she cares about the game - are not conflicting statements
but the way you worded it - she does indeed care - reads like you're backing out of the initial "not care" stance

if I read more into it, it comes off as a bit ingenuous because the content of your post suggests a townread but your wording suggests you don't want to give that townread

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:18 am
by Lemonfairy
Cannoticale wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 1:53 am
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:52 pm
DrWilgy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 2:49 pm [VOTE: WILGY] aubergine

Gladly. You are the chosen one.
this is wild

but also kind of funny
probably NAI?
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:55 pm oops
sorry for the double post
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:57 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 4:47 pm Anyways yes I think the wolves have split attention on me too have 1 wolf push me while another tries to pocket me
wait, so your post saying I was town was... sarcasm?

hmmm... still kinda towny though
Above are three different examples of Lemonfairy losing confidence (and therefore sounding awkward) while posting all by themself.
It's a strange reciprocal of their posting while other players are around, and to me, it indicates that they may not see a purpose, or struggle seeing a purpose to posting without other players around.
that's 3 posts out of the 40+ posts I had
and one of them was me apologizing for accidentally double-posting :haha:

if I didn't see a purpose to posting when no one is around, I could just... not post
it's also very reachy to suggest that 3 posts of me supposedly sounding unsure while I was along in the thread means I have no motivation to post when other people are not around

and let's assume I did struggle to post when no one else was around (I did not), are you saying it's wolfy?

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:27 am
by Lemonfairy
Cannoticale wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 1:55 am
Lemonfairy wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:26 pm well hello there
I see so many people have posted already
wow amazing
Roxy wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:29 pm first time being first


Listened to this song about 4379 times in my life
Roxy comments about being first... which I'm going to call wolfy because I did that once when I was a wolf (I probably also did it as town but my memories are bad)

4379 is a lot of times to listen to a song
let's see... guitars are a fairly twang-y
I don't really like seeing rain falling on these instruments, it makes me kind of sad (the water will surely ruin them)
S~V~S wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 6:01 pm My artist is someone I was unfamiliar with, Baby Queen. While her style is not the kind of thing I normally listen to, I did enjoy the song, and I might seek out other songs by her. It had a "girls at home" vibe I found appealing. Kind of a pop girl/feme rapper mashup.
SVS entering with a flavor claim
feels a bit bold but it might also be purposefully trying to appear open and trustworthy while hiding nefarious intentions (of course)
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 9:34 pm Wowee what a start
then we have Abigail coming in with a very minimal post
maybe perhaps they are trying to hide something and the fewer the words, the less likely anything will be leaked
For instance, this post seems like it is trying to encourage the town to start in a direction that encourages more suspicion as opposed to more clears; the playstyle that directly benefits the mafia most of the time.
oh, so you wolfread me and that previous post was kind of like a case on me but not really
honestly, I just kind of find this post funny at this point
Cannoticale wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 1:57 am I would also like to state that none of my reads are in any way influenced by suspicion on myself, or votes on myself.

I have intentionally ignored those posts to avoid allegations of bias for the sake of clarity and cohesion.
you can say that you intentionally ignored them but in reality, OMGUS will always play a part (and this is regardless of alignment)
I used to make ISO walls and try *really* hard to see town posts from the people voting me which showed that I was trying to ignore OMGUS but a disclaimer of "I didn't OMGUS, just trust me" isn't really trustworthy

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:36 am
by Lemonfairy
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 7:39 am
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:46 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:40 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:32 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:11 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:39 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:36 pm Wowee wolfs often try to push pressure of themselves by calling it omgus but wowee someone can indeed just think that someone pushing them is playing wolfy though
what would this be? reverse-OMGUS?
OMGUS-ception?
Wowee I really like how your trying to shade me by making it sound like I'm only voting you because you pushed me and that I couldn't possibly just think your a wolf independent of that
but didn't you say yourself that me pushing you was wolfy?
wait, ig I misread that

but you also never explained why you thought I was wolfy
Yeah explaining things is annoying
oh right, I remember you said that you don't like explaining before

hmmm let's see... what are your thoughts on SVS and Roxy?
I mean I can explain things it really depends on different factors

Right now I'm kinda feeling disenchanted with mafia fur ~~reasons~~ and I'm trying to get back into it but that does make me going all in explaining my thoughts harder

Mafia is super important to me though and I want this feeling to go away

I honestly think both are more towny than not at the moment but it's light nobody but you is in my town core right now
that's alright, you just do you
I think I already found you as town though :ike:

fair
I think a couple? (I actually don't remember how many) of other people also townned Roxy
SVS said something along the lines of their music video posts matched the content of the posts Roxy was responding to and the work that went it was towny but I think that's more NAI

will wait and see

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:41 am
by Lemonfairy
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 7:40 am
Long Con wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:47 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:21 pm
Long Con wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:01 pm Wilgy's intentional inscrutability.
you think it's intentional?
then do you think it's bad intentional or NAI intentional?
I think that a Town member should do their best to appear Town, not to be inscrutable.
Why wouldn't you want to blend metas to make it harder to be found as wolf lol
I find that restricting and prevents me from trying my best as town
so I just take it one game at a time and ignore any long-term consequences of each game

which inevitably leads me to playing catch-up whenever I do rand wolf but it is what it is

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:42 am
by Lemonfairy
this is lemon living in the moment
not thinking about the future

Re: [D1] Top Artists Mafia

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:49 am
by Lemonfairy
S~V~S wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:11 am
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:30 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:10 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:20 pm [VOTE: unvote] aubergine for now
Wowee why?
read changed
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:10 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:24 pm actually

[VOTE: Cannot] aubergine
Wowee why?
probably the most suspicious out of everyone so far

I think with Roxy, I like to imagine I'd be able to get a better read on with more posts if I'm wrong (or I could sheep someone else's read there)
In what way is she supish? I don't see that you elaborated.
I said this a bit earlier but it's because Roxy feels different to me from the last game
mostly that she seems more cheerful/whimsical, which actually could go either way

I am waiting for her to pull out the reads
S~V~S wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:11 am
Cannoticale wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:44 pm I made a big mistake and don't really have the time to be invested into this game.
Ok, I find this interesting. Lemon was the first vote on Cannoticale. Cannoticale said ^^. A bit later, LC puts that second vote on Cannoticale.
Long Con wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:49 pm
Cannoticale wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:44 pm I made a big mistake and don't really have the time to be invested into this game.
That kind of thing engenders the most regret when a Wolf team is counting on you.

[VOTE: Connaticale] aubergine
This post leads me to put LC at the top of my town list:
Long Con wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:01 pm I know that voting Cannoticale for the reason I did is sort of cheap, but it's one of the first things I thought of, and it's based on experience. You can be Town in a game in which you don't really have time, and skate by, and be like "yeah sorry everyone", but in a 7-2 game as a Wolf, it becomes more of an issue. Is this way too angleshooty, and I should be like a lawyer where the judge has disacarded certain evidence?
To my pov, LC is often an opportunistic civ, and I find this to be a very townie thing for him to say.

So anyhow, Cannot has 2 votes as of 9:50.

Lemon asks him opinions on Wilgy, thread goes dead for a while. Then Cannot comes back.

**Gonna do a second post to avoid this being too wall and making anyones eyes bleed lol.
that's funny because I had the complete opposite reaction that LC post
your meta info is probably more reliable

(also Cannot's most recent posts have made them look worse so LC now looks better)