🐸 Frog Mafia 🐸 - [Wolves Win]

[Long Con]

Maybe it's that 'nervous laughter' thing, but this seemed forced:

I feel so lost already lmao.

Lost because there's a check-in period before Day 1 starts? I get if it's not your usual, but it's not bewildering.

[Epignosis]

LC, I don't have any idea where you stand on anybody as of right now. Can you gimmie some direction on that?

[Long Con]

That bait thing kind of came out of nowhere. Not sure how that would work.

Which bait? IIRC, it's been brought up by Epi & FBP


What's your most Global Warming take of D1 thus far?

The bait thing from FBP. Epi was just referring to it, I get it. If this thread went Day After Tomorrow then I'd have to slam a vote down on Scepter, but I'm hoping to have more nuance by EoD.

[Epignosis]

To answer your question in earnest, falcon, I've been mafia with Delta before, and while it was a while ago, this doesn't feel like "it."

[Long Con]

LC, I don't have any idea where you stand on anybody as of right now. Can you gimmie some direction on that?

Not really a lot to go on. The Delta townread is not unpalatable.

[falcon45ca]

That bait thing kind of came out of nowhere. Not sure how that would work.

Which bait? IIRC, it's been brought up by Epi & FBP


What's your most Global Warming take of D1 thus far?

The bait thing from FBP. Epi was just referring to it, I get it. If this thread went Day After Tomorrow then I'd have to slam a vote down on Scepter, but I'm hoping to have more nuance by EoD.

I'm inclined to think Epi was teasing re: FBP, tho I could be wrong

[Long Con]

That bait thing kind of came out of nowhere. Not sure how that would work.

Which bait? IIRC, it's been brought up by Epi & FBP


What's your most Global Warming take of D1 thus far?

The bait thing from FBP. Epi was just referring to it, I get it. If this thread went Day After Tomorrow then I'd have to slam a vote down on Scepter, but I'm hoping to have more nuance by EoD.

I'm inclined to think Epi was teasing re: FBP, tho I could be wrong

I definitely found humour in it.

[Epignosis]

LC, I don't have any idea where you stand on anybody as of right now. Can you gimmie some direction on that?

Not really a lot to go on. The Delta townread is not unpalatable.

I understand the feeling on the former sentiment.

If I had anything against you right now, it's that you're not stirring the pot much, content to let things go as they are going. That's a tad concerning.

[Epignosis]

Another trouble is if you think it's been dead today and yesterday, tomorrow is an American holiday (I will either be working or not home), and every American will probably be hungover Friday morning when the vote locks at noon.

[Epignosis]

Not me though. I am immune to hangovers.

[falcon45ca]

LC, I don't have any idea where you stand on anybody as of right now. Can you gimmie some direction on that?

Where do you stand as of now?


If you had to list a few T, and few W, who would be where & why?

[Epignosis]

LC, I don't have any idea where you stand on anybody as of right now. Can you gimmie some direction on that?

Where do you stand as of now?


If you had to list a few T, and few W, who would be where & why?

Just spoke about Delta above.
I liked Roxy's response to me. It felt natural.
Don't really think you look bad right now since you could coast if you really wanted, but you're pushing and pulling.

My vote recipient is my only suspect.

[Long Con]

I'm usually bad at reading falcon, as in I wolf-read him easily.

[Epignosis]

I'm usually bad at reading falcon, as in I wolf-read him easily.

Block the name. Read the posts.

How do you feel about that individual?

[Epignosis]

Except for the first one because duh that's falcon.

[FrostburnPhoenix]

hello hello! o/

Not one hello, but two. One for each of us. Lurking, waiting, preparing to pounce. Terrifying.

Who is "us"?

The joke was that Delta had one hello for each mafia and also that this confirmed him town since he wouldn't say hello to himself, although the latter got filtered out.

Imma give that joke a 4


What's your take on Epi?

It was being used as bait anyways.

Honestly would rather not gth wolfread them yet but I don't townread them so officially in limbo.

The joke was bait? Huh...


What was the goal of said bait...how would a W! have been snared?

It creates different ways for itself to be perceived which I could then watch for. It can be seen as accusative or the opposite. Delta's response seems to perceive it as the opposite. Not that Delta took it as me seriously declaring him to be town but they likely processed it as such subconsciously. The counterpoint to this is that Delta's response is "flat" basically but the edge is still there so I tend to believe this.

Yeah sure Scepter can be maf since some of their posts feel like their tone is under management.

Delta can be town but I lack certain cues to solidify this and they could be interpreted as being performative. Granted feeling performative already feels like it'd probably be more of a town eagerness for most people and this is biasing me when it perhaps shouldn't.

Kinda want to wait to hear why falcon specifically thinks Scepter is maf but getting content rolling is probably the play here.

I’m curious, what about my posts give that impression lmao. I feel like I’ve been lowkey kind of just, chilling while also lost? I don’t know I feel like I’m a nomad if that makes sense lmao.

How does Delta feel performative, per say?

Some parts of your posts felt auxiliary and added on with purpose but that purpose would be most apparently to me tone control.

I Didn't see a distinct motivation behind their posting but they felt overly insistent on posting.

What does it mean:

"posts felt auxiliary"?

This seems like a lot of words to say "they were posting to post" which is EXACTLY how I feel about your posts.

Parts of their posts seemed extra. Keyword "parts". The specific intent of these addition seemed specifically to be tone control.

Can you give us examples of these "parts"?


Control of their own tone, or attempting to control the tone of the thread?

Control of their own tone. I'm used to Silver being more awkward and here they feel overly fleshed out with their tonal traits overplayed. Granted I have very very limited experience with Silver but it's worth pursuing regardless even at this current moment.

hello hello! o/

Not one hello, but two. One for each of us. Lurking, waiting, preparing to pounce. Terrifying.

Who is "us"?

The joke was that Delta had one hello for each mafia and also that this confirmed him town since he wouldn't say hello to himself, although the latter got filtered out.

Imma give that joke a 4


What's your take on Epi?

It was being used as bait anyways.

Honestly would rather not gth wolfread them yet but I don't townread them so officially in limbo.

I shall be blunt, as perhaps it's a playstyle difference; you equivocate often and I think you're Maf


Are you typically a fence sitter? Will they, won't they, etc


In your mind, should Kermit dump Ms Piggy, or seal the deal?

I'm typically a fence sitter as in "probably" "IMO". I Can also fence sit while being confident as in crafting hypotheticals. The former is more something I used to do while the latter is something more recent.

Keep Kermit and Ms Piggy out of my mind and they can do whatever they want.

Maybe it's that 'nervous laughter' thing, but this seemed forced:

I feel so lost already lmao.

Lost because there's a check-in period before Day 1 starts? I get if it's not your usual, but it's not bewildering.

This is more on the innocuous side.

My expressions are often processed in ways that help me with my own solving ability rather than being formatted in ways that can be easily understood. My apologies, thank you for understanding, and good luck!

Also I need to respond to Epi: I Did not want to wait for Falcon's response hence why I didn't ask.

[S~V~S]

I say Roxy is mafia.

Which of her two posts made you say that?

The one that started with "bourbon" and the one that started with "whiskey."

OK, so I needed a laugh this AM. It's gonna be a long day.

The only no show so far is @Lime Coke I think?

And I still prefer that old D1 courtesy of not voting a new person on Day 1, so I won't be voting Scepter today, but in any case they feel more towny than not to me.

Both Roxy and Falcon feel towny to me so far as well.

Everyone else is mostly null so far, except Phoenix.

Kinda Null:

Epi used to have a tell of sorts, he got edgy over time when he was bad, but no longer does that. I like the way he came in with a one liner sus, then I liked the way he modified. Also like him poking LC a bit. Kinda null trending kinda towny. I need more since Epi is good at replicating his town game.

Mostly Null:

Delta is a hard read for me; even with the scary avatar, he always reads as so agreeable to me. All the tiny little happy people jumping in our pockets \o/

LC likes being bad (no shade here; I kinda do as well) and I tend to think he is more active when bad. But I do not understand his suspicions, or the reasoning for them, so I want to see more.

That leaves Phoenix. Which if Day ended today (and the US people including me will be scarce today cause Thanksgiving) I would vote for him now, but it doesn't. He feels identical to me as he felt in Duck Hunt; there's alot of wordiness in his suspicions, but no real content. It just feels made up to me.

Most of his replies in this post, for instance, feel ... verbally padded, almost. But then other parts feel genuine. Like he simply speaks this way. (in spoilers since it's a big old post)

Spoiler: show

Not one hello, but two. One for each of us. Lurking, waiting, preparing to pounce. Terrifying.

Who is "us"?

The joke was that Delta had one hello for each mafia and also that this confirmed him town since he wouldn't say hello to himself, although the latter got filtered out.

Imma give that joke a 4


What's your take on Epi?

It was being used as bait anyways.

Honestly would rather not gth wolfread them yet but I don't townread them so officially in limbo.

The joke was bait? Huh...


What was the goal of said bait...how would a W! have been snared?

It creates different ways for itself to be perceived which I could then watch for. It can be seen as accusative or the opposite. Delta's response seems to perceive it as the opposite. Not that Delta took it as me seriously declaring him to be town but they likely processed it as such subconsciously. The counterpoint to this is that Delta's response is "flat" basically but the edge is still there so I tend to believe this.

Yeah sure Scepter can be maf since some of their posts feel like their tone is under management.

Delta can be town but I lack certain cues to solidify this and they could be interpreted as being performative. Granted feeling performative already feels like it'd probably be more of a town eagerness for most people and this is biasing me when it perhaps shouldn't.

Kinda want to wait to hear why falcon specifically thinks Scepter is maf but getting content rolling is probably the play here.

I’m curious, what about my posts give that impression lmao. I feel like I’ve been lowkey kind of just, chilling while also lost? I don’t know I feel like I’m a nomad if that makes sense lmao.

How does Delta feel performative, per say?

Some parts of your posts felt auxiliary and added on with purpose but that purpose would be most apparently to me tone control.

I Didn't see a distinct motivation behind their posting but they felt overly insistent on posting.

What does it mean:

"posts felt auxiliary"?

This seems like a lot of words to say "they were posting to post" which is EXACTLY how I feel about your posts.

Parts of their posts seemed extra. Keyword "parts". The specific intent of these addition seemed specifically to be tone control.

Can you give us examples of these "parts"?


Control of their own tone, or attempting to control the tone of the thread?

Control of their own tone. I'm used to Silver being more awkward and here they feel overly fleshed out with their tonal traits overplayed. Granted I have very very limited experience with Silver but it's worth pursuing regardless even at this current moment.

Not one hello, but two. One for each of us. Lurking, waiting, preparing to pounce. Terrifying.

Who is "us"?

The joke was that Delta had one hello for each mafia and also that this confirmed him town since he wouldn't say hello to himself, although the latter got filtered out.

Imma give that joke a 4


What's your take on Epi?

It was being used as bait anyways.

Honestly would rather not gth wolfread them yet but I don't townread them so officially in limbo.

I shall be blunt, as perhaps it's a playstyle difference; you equivocate often and I think you're Maf


Are you typically a fence sitter? Will they, won't they, etc


In your mind, should Kermit dump Ms Piggy, or seal the deal?

I'm typically a fence sitter as in "probably" "IMO". I Can also fence sit while being confident as in crafting hypotheticals. The former is more something I used to do while the latter is something more recent.

Keep Kermit and Ms Piggy out of my mind and they can do whatever they want.

Maybe it's that 'nervous laughter' thing, but this seemed forced:

I feel so lost already lmao.

Lost because there's a check-in period before Day 1 starts? I get if it's not your usual, but it's not bewildering.

This is more on the innocuous side.

My expressions are often processed in ways that help me with my own solving ability rather than being formatted in ways that can be easily understood. My apologies, thank you for understanding, and good luck!

Also I need to respond to Epi: I Did not want to wait for Falcon's response hence why I didn't ask.

@FrostburnPhoenix do you have a recent town game at another forum you can link me to? I don't want to misread you; it could be that you just have an impressive vocabulary, and I would not want to misread you based on that.

[S~V~S]

This admission from you re how you read Falcon is a very towny sentiment to my POV, specifically for you. I don't know if bad you would qualify your opinion this way.

I'm usually bad at reading falcon, as in I wolf-read him easily.

I used to always read him wolfy as well. When I first started playing with him, I always found him bad. And you know how pushy i can be when I *actively* think someone is bad, so I think it was frustrating all around.

So I paid alot of attention to him in games, I read back and figured out what was triggering me, and I have a better sense of his game now. Not unlike how I was with you.

But i still waffle a bit here due to this:

That bait thing kind of came out of nowhere. Not sure how that would work.

Which bait? IIRC, it's been brought up by Epi & FBP


What's your most Global Warming take of D1 thus far?

The bait thing from FBP. Epi was just referring to it, I get it. If this thread went Day After Tomorrow then I'd have to slam a vote down on Scepter, but I'm hoping to have more nuance by EoD.

I don't understand the bait thing. Can you explain it?

Your first mention of Scepter was the post right before this one ^^

It has a poking feel to it, but doesn't mention the bait thing. (can't think of a better way to put it, I wouldn't say "hostile" but definitely a bit edgy feeling).

Maybe it's that 'nervous laughter' thing, but this seemed forced:

I feel so lost already lmao.

Lost because there's a check-in period before Day 1 starts? I get if it's not your usual, but it's not bewildering.

[S~V~S]

EBWoP

"But i still waffle a bit here due to this:" should be "But i still waffle on LC a bit here due to this:"

After i posted i realized it was a bit ambiguous.

[Delta]

hihi o/

give me a sec and I'll skim back through now \o/

[Delta]

Maybe echoing myself a little but I think SVS feels like blatant town, which is a nice starting point to go off of

I'm not actually sure why FP would have set bait to begin with? I initially took their post as a silly little joke kind of thing, almost feels like they got flak for it and tried to justify it in hindsight over just calling it a joke but weh. Might be a reach.

@FrostburnPhoenix what do you make of the current talk around you? I feel like your name has been floated a fair bit so would like to hear your thoughts around that

Outside of that I dont have any particularly strong feelings which feels off given that we're nearly halfway through the day ;_;' I've seen Roxy floated as a townread a few times and I'm not fully following there, but that can come down to a lack of familiarity so happy to sponge that for a bit. Silver has seemed okayish, just a bit nervous. The rest feel a bit static-y to me

@TheSilverScepter ping me when you're around, would like to talk with you a bit and hopefully lock in a read on you & if there's anything you still need help with then I'll help you out \o/

[Delta]

Though understandably it might be just me for a bit of today since it's Thanksgiving, so no rush for either of those pings

[FrostburnPhoenix]

@FrostburnPhoenix do you have a recent town game at another forum you can link me to? I don't want to misread you; it could be that you just have an impressive vocabulary, and I would not want to misread you based on that.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=93124 Moomgay Dumei

Wouldn't really call my vocabulary impressive.

I'm not actually sure why FP would have set bait to begin with? I initially took their post as a silly little joke kind of thing, almost feels like they got flak for it and tried to justify it in hindsight over just calling it a joke but weh. Might be a reach.

@FrostburnPhoenix what do you make of the current talk around you? I feel like your name has been floated a fair bit so would like to hear your thoughts around that

Yeah it might be a reach when there was no reason for me to justify it?

Nothing of note. Why ask?

[Delta]

?_?

It's been the main focus of today, I feel like from your POV its probably worth parsing through

Do you think anyones pushing you in bad faith? Are you only being pushed by town?

[FrostburnPhoenix]

?_?

It's been the main focus of today, I feel like from your POV its probably worth parsing through

Do you think anyones pushing you in bad faith? Are you only being pushed by town?

It's an incredibly normal wagon. Doesn't say much about the people on it.

You seem like you intend on sidelining yourself however. You are creating justifications that allow me to be a wolf while not raising any concerns that I seem wolfy and are also not interacting with the majority of my actual content, including content which should be relevant to how you are treating me.

[Delta]

?_?

It's been the main focus of today, I feel like from your POV its probably worth parsing through

Do you think anyones pushing you in bad faith? Are you only being pushed by town?

It's an incredibly normal wagon. Doesn't say much about the people on it.

You seem like you intend on sidelining yourself however. You are creating justifications that allow me to be a wolf while not raising any concerns that I seem wolfy and are also not interacting with the majority of my actual content, including content which should be relevant to how you are treating me.

lmao

I havent given a read on you either way, I'm asking you about what you make of the push on you.

I'm not trying to justify reading you either way right now because I dont have a read on you beyond "this happened"

[Delta]

The pushes people make are going to be AI in some capacity because if you are town, they're pushing a misvote. Whether that comes from wolf agenda or genuine intent can be discerned from that.

What makes it a normal wagon? Why doesnt it say anything about the people pushing you?

[FrostburnPhoenix]

?_?

It's been the main focus of today, I feel like from your POV its probably worth parsing through

Do you think anyones pushing you in bad faith? Are you only being pushed by town?

It's an incredibly normal wagon. Doesn't say much about the people on it.

You seem like you intend on sidelining yourself however. You are creating justifications that allow me to be a wolf while not raising any concerns that I seem wolfy and are also not interacting with the majority of my actual content, including content which should be relevant to how you are treating me.

lmao

I havent given a read on you either way, I'm asking you about what you make of the push on you.

I'm not trying to justify reading you either way right now because I dont have a read on you beyond "this happened"

What did I just say.

The pushes people make are going to be AI in some capacity because if you are town, they're pushing a misvote. Whether that comes from wolf agenda or genuine intent can be discerned from that.

What makes it a normal wagon? Why doesnt it say anything about the people pushing you?

No not at all. I'm simply seen as wolfy and nothing about my wagon is extraordinary. I See no reason to read agenda into something generic.

[FrostburnPhoenix]

Anyways your perspective is defensive in addition to other things.

I Am voting Delta now good luck.

[Delta]

ok

We're not going to get anywhere with this lmfao

Even if you are seen as scummy normally, wolves can still take a push being made on town and hop on.

But if you dont solve through stuff like that, then whatever, I cant force you to

[Delta]

Anyways your perspective is defensive in addition to other things.

I Am voting Delta now good luck.

lol

[Delta]

@Epignosis what do you remember of my wolf meta?

I feel like we've had a conversation in past game about my meta and you not using it as a point of reference for reading me so I'm curious about what's different here !_!

[FrostburnPhoenix]

ok

We're not going to get anywhere with this lmfao

Even if you are seen as scummy normally, wolves can still take a push being made on town and hop on.

But if you dont solve through stuff like that, then whatever, I cant force you to

Nothing about my wagon is extraordinary. Any agenda that exists is buried so far it can't be clearly seen. If treatment of me was extraordinary I would make note of it as I often do.

At least if I found it AI directly.

[Epignosis]

@Epignosis what do you remember of my wolf meta?

I feel like we've had a conversation in past game about my meta and you not using it as a point of reference for reading me so I'm curious about what's different here !_!

That you wouldn't be asking me this question if you were bad.

[Epignosis]

I no longer think FrostburnPhoenix is the correct choice.

While I don't usually like to go by this, you were mafia in the Duck Hunt Game I hosted, and you look utterly, completely, wildly different.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine merely as a placeholder at this time.

[Delta]

@Epignosis what do you remember of my wolf meta?

I feel like we've had a conversation in past game about my meta and you not using it as a point of reference for reading me so I'm curious about what's different here !_!

That you wouldn't be asking me this question if you were bad.

[Lime Coke]

Alright, listen, listen, listen.

All everybody is talking about, is Thanksgiving.

THANKSGIVING!

I have had ENOUGH of Thanksgiving, I have something more important to say.

And that is that I want to wish everyone here a happy Black Friday!

[Delta]

hihi Brad

[Lime Coke]

Fell asleep reading thread but I'm up now.

Basically a soft read list.

Town:
SVS
Delta
TheSilverScepter


SVS feels like her town game that I'm used to seeing.

Delta's P1 reads felt pretty good, agreed with some but looks like he's progressing decently.

Silverscepter I actually thought looked wolfy during the Day 0 questioning it. But then their come back after and posting their reads felt really towny.

[Lime Coke]

hihi Brad

Hiiii Deltaaaa

[Lime Coke]

There are some I need to look into and dissect a little bit more...buuuuut...

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

YOU will NOT ESCAPE!!!

[Lime Coke]

Falcon feels lost... which is what I believed that I was told was his mafia meta.

[S~V~S]

@FrostburnPhoenix do you have a recent town game at another forum you can link me to? I don't want to misread you; it could be that you just have an impressive vocabulary, and I would not want to misread you based on that.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=93124 Moomgay Dumei

Wouldn't really call my vocabulary impressive.

I'm not actually sure why FP would have set bait to begin with? I initially took their post as a silly little joke kind of thing, almost feels like they got flak for it and tried to justify it in hindsight over just calling it a joke but weh. Might be a reach.

@FrostburnPhoenix what do you make of the current talk around you? I feel like your name has been floated a fair bit so would like to hear your thoughts around that

Yeah it might be a reach when there was no reason for me to justify it?

Nothing of note. Why ask?

Thanks! I'll go check it out and catch up.

[S~V~S]

I no longer think FrostburnPhoenix is the correct choice.

While I don't usually like to go by this, you were mafia in the Duck Hunt Game I hosted, and you look utterly, completely, wildly different.

I think he started out similarly, but not is sounding less jargony and more sincere in later posts. I also think Delta sounds sincere, though, so i'd like to here more about his Phoenix' reads on others, not just on Delta.

[S~V~S]

@FrostburnPhoenix ok, only a few pages in. And you do seem more relaxed and almost casual there BUT I assume this is your home forum, and these are your people. From what I can see, your actual game play is similar, though. You opened with a joke about being bad, you used similar terminology to what you're using here.

Like this.

(** NOTE THIS IS A POST FROM ANOTHER GAME ON ANOTHER FORUM, NOT THIS GAME**)

KayJayQueue said: In post 38, Moomgay Dumei Ch. wrote:

Moomgay Dumei said: But there ain't no way Kyouko is softing a green on kcda AND a red on me, especially if C-Worl really did slip they know hu is town.

I mean we're both negative utility roles.

Will post in antispew for now just in case.

I have no idea what is being said in this post.

Like…what?

This is how I have been feeling, I might have even used these exact words. This is 100% why I thought you were bad in Duck Hunt, your turn of phrase. When in retrospect it seems more like maybe it was you being you, and me misinterpreting what that meant.

It looks like KJQ was a baddie in this game, and his partner piled on this post. This has been helpful, since the baddies were working hard to yeet you day 1.

Also, I agree with GreedyBanger re RVS. Not a fan. It gets people into trouble for making awkward jokes.

In any case, I'll read a bit further, but I think you are likely safe from my vote today, and I'll have to reassess the rest of the players.

[S~V~S]

ALSO, reading some of that game that made me finally understand the whole "bait" thing.

And in Duck Hunt, Phoenix jumped right into reads, and chose to back out of the early joking phase. That is something I tend to do while bad, since I loathe being caught out for random joking when bad.

[S~V~S]

Alright, listen, listen, listen.

All everybody is talking about, is Thanksgiving.

THANKSGIVING!

I have had ENOUGH of Thanksgiving, I have something more important to say.

And that is that I want to wish everyone here a happy Black Friday!

OMG I live in a shopping hub town, and I am not leaving the house today. When I passed Best Buy on my way home from Thanksgiving dinner last night, maybe 9PM, there were already a few campers in the parking lot when they didn't open till 6 AM.

Pray for retail workers.

[S~V~S]

Maybe echoing myself a little but I think SVS feels like blatant town, which is a nice starting point to go off of

I'm not actually sure why FP would have set bait to begin with? I initially took their post as a silly little joke kind of thing, almost feels like they got flak for it and tried to justify it in hindsight over just calling it a joke but weh. Might be a reach.

This is apparently a thing he does? I skimmed a town game of his in another forum, and he started very similarly there, with a joke he subsequently took flak for, when he was town.

@Epignosis having that game, and Duck Hunt open, and going back and forth is helping me see what you're saying.

[Delta]

Falcon feels lost... which is what I believed that I was told was his mafia meta.

!_!

What from him feels lost?