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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:52 pm
by DharmaHelper
Note how llama was very eager to start playing

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:53 pm
by Marmot
MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm with Jay, the thread locking looks the most annoying of anything, despite how terrifying The Hunger and other roles are.
That sounds horrible. :overreact:

Linki: noted.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:55 pm
by Golden
MovingPictures07 wrote:DH, I will not address any of that adverb nonsense unless you have something you specifically want me to address. That's how I normally talk.
MP uses adverbs all the time, even when civ. I suggest you look out for adverbs that could specifically change people's perspective.

Also, the use of 'currently' is not only using an adverb, it is also using a necessary qualifier, given the hosts themselves have given that qualifier.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:56 pm
by thellama73
I am here, I promise!

MM is just mad that I got him lynched Day 1 in Wedding Mafia with no evidence. :)

I believe in starting at the beginning, so I choose position 1.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:57 pm
by nutella
Ugh, looks like all the positions have some bad stuff. :sigh:

What's all this about adverbs? Discourse analysis in mafia, eh? Could make for some cool linguistic research :srsnod:

Serenity, now that's interesting...

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:58 pm
by Ricochet
Ok, could someone perhaps list the lethal powers not named (or including in their description) "Kill", because I seem to be a total newb with some that I haven't encountered before in a game? Thought I'm even more of a newb since I brushed over some obvious ones like dat pyromancer dude. Immolate?! Sure you want that, position 5 voters? :P

Anyway, I might look in more detail tomorrow, as much as time will permit (my RL position is getting busier and busier until the end of the month and beyond).

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:58 pm
by Golden
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:One day when I have nothing else to do I am going to do a lengthy study on adverb usage in mafia and prove once and for all that it's always meaningless. ;)
I think if you divide your research by quantity and quality you will find that one is meaningless, and the other is not.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:59 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
I think I saw "poisoner" in there somewhere, which is typically just a delayed kill.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:59 pm
by thellama73
Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:One day when I have nothing else to do I am going to do a lengthy study on adverb usage in mafia and prove once and for all that it's always meaningless. ;)
I think if you divide your research by quantity and quality you will find that one is meaningless, and the other is not.
I caught a baddie with the adverb theory in Watchmen. Just sayin'.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:01 pm
by Tangrowth
thellama73 wrote:
Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:One day when I have nothing else to do I am going to do a lengthy study on adverb usage in mafia and prove once and for all that it's always meaningless. ;)
I think if you divide your research by quantity and quality you will find that one is meaningless, and the other is not.
I caught a baddie with the adverb theory in Watchmen. Just sayin'.
Disagree, Sloonei was caught for other reasons as well, and he generally uses adverbs in his speech, but if you want to claim that's why you found him as a single reason, go for it.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:01 pm
by Marmot
thellama73 wrote:I am here, I promise!

MM is just mad that I got him lynched Day 1 in Wedding Mafia with no evidence. :)

I believe in starting at the beginning, so I choose position 1.
Not at all! I am the master at winning games when getting lynched on Day 1.

Did you see the slick banner in my signature?

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:05 pm
by thellama73
MovingPictures07 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:One day when I have nothing else to do I am going to do a lengthy study on adverb usage in mafia and prove once and for all that it's always meaningless. ;)
I think if you divide your research by quantity and quality you will find that one is meaningless, and the other is not.
I caught a baddie with the adverb theory in Watchmen. Just sayin'.
Disagree, Sloonei was caught for other reasons as well, and he generally uses adverbs in his speech, but if you want to claim that's why you found him as a single reason, go for it.
Well, to be more precise, I caught him because he massively overreacted to me accusing him of using adverbs. But the theory is still ultimately responsible.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:05 pm
by DharmaHelper
MovingPictures07 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:One day when I have nothing else to do I am going to do a lengthy study on adverb usage in mafia and prove once and for all that it's always meaningless. ;)
I think if you divide your research by quantity and quality you will find that one is meaningless, and the other is not.
I caught a baddie with the adverb theory in Watchmen. Just sayin'.
Disagree, Sloonei was caught for other reasons as well, and he generally uses adverbs in his speech, but if you want to claim that's why you found him as a single reason, go for it.
>Generally

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:05 pm
by Tangrowth
Ricochet wrote:Ok, could someone perhaps list the lethal powers not named (or including in their description) "Kill", because I seem to be a total newb with some that I haven't encountered before in a game? Thought I'm even more of a newb since I brushed over some obvious ones like dat pyromancer dude. Immolate?! Sure you want that, position 5 voters? :P

Anyway, I might look in more detail tomorrow, as much as time will permit (my RL position is getting busier and busier until the end of the month and beyond).
Ubzargan (Poison)
War Monger (The Hunger)
Pyromancer (Various ?)
Highborn Assassin (Parasite) -- This isn't a kill per se, but if I recall correctly, it sucks the life/powers of a player it attaches to, and only dies if the host dies.
Master of Ancient Arts (Dragon ?)

I think those are the only potential "kills" without the word "kill". Others can confirm/deny.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:05 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Is Day 0 normally the same length as other days? 'Cause I'm falling asleep at my desk and would like to drop my vote before the more lasting period of unconsciousness comes upon me if it's 24 hours.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:05 pm
by Golden
thellama73 wrote:
Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:One day when I have nothing else to do I am going to do a lengthy study on adverb usage in mafia and prove once and for all that it's always meaningless. ;)
I think if you divide your research by quantity and quality you will find that one is meaningless, and the other is not.
I caught a baddie with the adverb theory in Watchmen. Just sayin'.
Even you acknowledged it wasn't the adverbs, but the reactions, that mattered. :p (linki - you beat me to it!)

Still haven't done a detailed analysis, but if option 2 includes a thread lock and the hunger, that might be my vote in the interests of getting it out of the way early.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:06 pm
by Golden
Please co-ordinate your post timing better, four linkis is too many!

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:06 pm
by Tangrowth
Golden wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:One day when I have nothing else to do I am going to do a lengthy study on adverb usage in mafia and prove once and for all that it's always meaningless. ;)
I think if you divide your research by quantity and quality you will find that one is meaningless, and the other is not.
I caught a baddie with the adverb theory in Watchmen. Just sayin'.
Even you acknowledged it wasn't the adverbs, but the reactions, that mattered. :p (linki - you beat me to it!)

Still haven't done a detailed analysis, but if option 2 includes a thread lock and the hunger, that might be my vote in the interests of getting it out of the way early.
This is a good point. I may do the same.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:07 pm
by Golden
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Is Day 0 normally the same length as other days? 'Cause I'm falling asleep at my desk and would like to drop my vote before the more lasting period of unconsciousness comes upon me if it's 24 hours.
It is 24 hours, the hosts said so.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:08 pm
by Marmot
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Is Day 0 normally the same length as other days? 'Cause I'm falling asleep at my desk and would like to drop my vote before the more lasting period of unconsciousness comes upon me if it's 24 hours.
Day 0 is usually <24 hours.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:08 pm
by Tangrowth
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Is Day 0 normally the same length as other days? 'Cause I'm falling asleep at my desk and would like to drop my vote before the more lasting period of unconsciousness comes upon me if it's 24 hours.
Depends on the game and host, really. I tend to make my Day 0's the same as my Days, but will end them early if everyone has checked in and there's no point in continuing it. Other hosts sometimes just make them shorter (24 instead of 48).

I think it's 24 hours here. Thought I read that somewhere, but not sure.

Linki w/ Golden: Confirmation.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:09 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Is there a reason people are terrified of "The Hunger" beyond it simply being ominous? As in, has it appeared elsewhere in the annals of Syndicate lore and/or its sibling sites?

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:10 pm
by Marmot
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Golden wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:One day when I have nothing else to do I am going to do a lengthy study on adverb usage in mafia and prove once and for all that it's always meaningless. ;)
I think if you divide your research by quantity and quality you will find that one is meaningless, and the other is not.
I caught a baddie with the adverb theory in Watchmen. Just sayin'.
Even you acknowledged it wasn't the adverbs, but the reactions, that mattered. :p (linki - you beat me to it!)

Still haven't done a detailed analysis, but if option 2 includes a thread lock and the hunger, that might be my vote in the interests of getting it out of the way early.
This is a good point. I may do the same.
You guys realize that we could go the whole game without vpting Position 2 if we wanted to, right? The way BR has it set up, there will always be three or more options in each night poll.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:11 pm
by Golden
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Is there a reason people are terrified of "The Hunger" beyond it simply being ominous? As in, has it appeared elsewhere in the annals of Syndicate lore and/or its sibling sites?
I have never played the three previous recruitment games (I'm not sure how that happened), but I'm simply basing it off what SVS had to say on the matter.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:11 pm
by Tangrowth
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Is there a reason people are terrified of "The Hunger" beyond it simply being ominous? As in, has it appeared elsewhere in the annals of Syndicate lore and/or its sibling sites?
It originated in Recruitment I as a secret role and killed players in very mysterious ways, forcing them to do or not do certain things, then killing them, like a ticking time bomb type of role. I wasn't entirely privy to it, though, since it wasn't on my team (Erlatz). It has made appearances in subsequent Recruitment games hosted by BR and LC.

Typhoony was the original The Hunger from Recruitment I, so perhaps he can provide more clarity.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:11 pm
by Marmot
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Is there a reason people are terrified of "The Hunger" beyond it simply being ominous? As in, has it appeared elsewhere in the annals of Syndicate lore and/or its sibling sites?
SVS said she has had that role and been a victim of it. She didn't explain details, but she did say it is a horrible way to die.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:12 pm
by S~V~S
nutella wrote:Ugh, looks like all the positions have some bad stuff. :sigh:

What's all this about adverbs? Discourse analysis in mafia, eh? Could make for some cool linguistic research :srsnod:

Serenity, now that's interesting...
Serenity is the Game Moderator, not a role or game related. We are trying out having the game mods be anonymous for a game or two. Just wanted to let you know this, since it is not game related.

Linki~ the Hunger kills you for even alluding to its existence. It targets you with a requirement, and you must fulfill it without alluding, or even hinting in any way, to being targeted, or it kills you right on the spot. It is very perilous.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:12 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Oh so it's basically the villain from Saw.

Yeah I'm not keen on that.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:12 pm
by Tangrowth
Recruitment I was actually my second game ever and was hosted about 5 years ago on The Piano. Recruitment II was on The Piano as well. Unfortunately, neither of these games can be viewed.

Recruitment III was on RM, and I think the hosts linked to it in the sign-up thread, but I personally missed that game.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:14 pm
by Tangrowth
Metalmarsh89 wrote: You guys realize that we could go the whole game without vpting Position 2 if we wanted to, right? The way BR has it set up, there will always be three or more options in each night poll.
I apparently have missed something then, if this is true. Can someone confirm this? I'll go look right now.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:14 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
I'm about to collapse, so there's my vote for #5.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:14 pm
by thellama73
Now I kind of want to see the Hunger in action. Sounds fun.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:15 pm
by Ricochet
A horrible way to die is to get mislynched without anyone caring about your defense, but that's just me. :srsnod:

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0) - Locked

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:15 pm
by Tangrowth
Black Rock wrote:After the third position is chosen I will recycle the first position chosen and will continue like that. We should always have three positions to choose from. There are circumstances that could change that or force things.
Glad you brought this up, MM.

In that case, I may not vote Option 2 after all, and instead we could just collectively try to avoid it.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:16 pm
by reywaS
Bullzeye wrote:Why all this fuss about adverbs? Personally I've always found nouns to be the most suspicious part of language...
gerunds are obviously the most evil. A verb masquerading as a noun? Imposter!

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:17 pm
by Golden
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Golden wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:One day when I have nothing else to do I am going to do a lengthy study on adverb usage in mafia and prove once and for all that it's always meaningless. ;)
I think if you divide your research by quantity and quality you will find that one is meaningless, and the other is not.
I caught a baddie with the adverb theory in Watchmen. Just sayin'.
Even you acknowledged it wasn't the adverbs, but the reactions, that mattered. :p (linki - you beat me to it!)

Still haven't done a detailed analysis, but if option 2 includes a thread lock and the hunger, that might be my vote in the interests of getting it out of the way early.
This is a good point. I may do the same.
You guys realize that we could go the whole game without vpting Position 2 if we wanted to, right? The way BR has it set up, there will always be three or more options in each night poll.
Oh, my understanding was that we had to cycle through all positions before that could happen. That does change things a little.

I just read through option 2 and it actually has a whole lot of things which are potentially beneficial to civilian factions as well, so we shouldn't rule out using it. But it does take away the need to vote for something just to get it out of the way.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:20 pm
by Marmot
Ricochet wrote:A horrible way to die is to get mislynched without anyone caring about your defense, but that's just me. :srsnod:
Have you been a victim of this?

I would still agree though. Watchmen rings all the bells here.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:21 pm
by Ricochet
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:A horrible way to die is to get mislynched without anyone caring about your defense, but that's just me. :srsnod:
Have you been a victim of this?

I would still agree though. Watchmen rings all the bells here.
I've had my share.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:22 pm
by Ricochet
I have a feeling the conclusion of this D0 will be closer to Just Pick Anything (and Hold on to your Butts) than something else.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:23 pm
by Golden
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:A horrible way to die is to get mislynched without anyone caring about your defense, but that's just me. :srsnod:
Have you been a victim of this?

I would still agree though. Watchmen rings all the bells here.
Watchmen, yes. "Golden is bad because he did a really obvious attempted save on the baddie we lynched". :disappoint: I have forgiven DH though.

I've done a look through and, given what MM pointed out, I'm happy with option 5.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:25 pm
by Ricochet
Golden wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:A horrible way to die is to get mislynched without anyone caring about your defense, but that's just me. :srsnod:
Have you been a victim of this?

I would still agree though. Watchmen rings all the bells here.
Watchmen, yes. "Golden is bad because he did a really obvious attempted save on the baddie we lynched". :disappoint: I have forgiven DH though.

I've done a look through and, given what MM pointed out, I'm happy with option 5.
You mean DDL? I would have guessed he stonewalled your arguments the most.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:26 pm
by Golden
Ricochet wrote:
Golden wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:A horrible way to die is to get mislynched without anyone caring about your defense, but that's just me. :srsnod:
Have you been a victim of this?

I would still agree though. Watchmen rings all the bells here.
Watchmen, yes. "Golden is bad because he did a really obvious attempted save on the baddie we lynched". :disappoint: I have forgiven DH though.

I've done a look through and, given what MM pointed out, I'm happy with option 5.
You mean DDL? I would have guessed he stonewalled your arguments the most.
DH is the one who dropped the poll to four people, the other three of whom had virtually zero reason to lynch at that stage.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:26 pm
by DharmaHelper
Golden wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:A horrible way to die is to get mislynched without anyone caring about your defense, but that's just me. :srsnod:
Have you been a victim of this?

I would still agree though. Watchmen rings all the bells here.
Watchmen, yes. "Golden is bad because he did a really obvious attempted save on the baddie we lynched". :disappoint: I have forgiven DH though.

I've done a look through and, given what MM pointed out, I'm happy with option 5.
;airguitar:

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:26 pm
by Tangrowth
Rico's current post count is 2,112.

Don't post again too quickly, Rico.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:27 pm
by reywaS
Image

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:27 pm
by Golden
MovingPictures07 wrote:Rico's current post count is 2,112.

Don't post again too quickly, Rico.
No, he should rush to post again.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:29 pm
by Ricochet
MovingPictures07 wrote:Rico's current post count is 2,112.

Don't post again too quickly, Rico.
What?

Oh.

Crap.

Here's your free snapshot, I like how inspired I was to put back on the Eye before this happened.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:29 pm
by Marmot
Golden wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Golden wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:A horrible way to die is to get mislynched without anyone caring about your defense, but that's just me. :srsnod:
Have you been a victim of this?

I would still agree though. Watchmen rings all the bells here.
Watchmen, yes. "Golden is bad because he did a really obvious attempted save on the baddie we lynched". :disappoint: I have forgiven DH though.

I've done a look through and, given what MM pointed out, I'm happy with option 5.
You mean DDL? I would have guessed he stonewalled your arguments the most.
DH is the one who dropped the poll to four people, the other three of whom had virtually zero reason to lynch at that stage.
I had every reason to be lynched on Day 2 in Watchmen. I was surprised to see you take the fall.

Linki: ;airguitar:

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:30 pm
by Ricochet
reywaS wrote:Image
Post of the game so far.

Probably my favourite episode.

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:32 pm
by Bubbles
POST. hi everyone :)