Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Guys I think MM wants to be lynched. Is there a jester role in play?Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why yes, how did you know?Spacedaisy wrote:Link MM: don't want to vote yourself to find out this time eh? Too costly for your baddie team to risk you getting lynched?
I drew a mafia role for the fifth speed game in a row.
You think I'm a jester Mr. "I Accidentally self-voted"?Scotty wrote:Guys I think MM wants to be lynched. Is there a jester role in play?Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why yes, how did you know?Spacedaisy wrote:Link MM: don't want to vote yourself to find out this time eh? Too costly for your baddie team to risk you getting lynched?
I drew a mafia role for the fifth speed game in a row.
Oh,
And don't vote me kthnx
And why is that?Typhoony wrote:I'm more suspicious of nutelLA and LC than that I am of Zebra/Scotty/SVS right now.
Not really sure what you mean by any of this. My opinions tend to evolve and change, often even within the course of typing my thoughts out in a post -- when I started writing my longish post about Scotty I was feeling pretty ambivalent about it, but by the end I had sorted out some reasons why I felt it was more likely he did slip.Spacedaisy wrote: Nutella: I can totally see why Scotty listed you as a person of interest. You put some weight behind the idea that Scotty legitimately slipped up, but not enough to seem too convinced until he called you out. Then you seemed to throttle it up. It looked like someone feeling the waters out, see if it might be a safe wagon to get on. But then Scotty calling you out forced your hand I think.
Laying it on thick, eh Scotty? 
I don't see an obvious role that would want to be lynched. And only one pair of roles, the Indys, have secrets.Long Con wrote:
The only question is, is he Mafia or Civ?
...
...I guess that's the question by default. I meant that Scotty wants us to lynch him today as part of his role. If it's a Civ role, then that's a good thing. If Mafia, then bad. So, the USUAL question gets a reversal of polarity in this instance.
Mimi Merlot:Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't see an obvious role that would want to be lynched. And only one pair of roles, the Indys, have secrets.Long Con wrote:
The only question is, is he Mafia or Civ?
...
...I guess that's the question by default. I meant that Scotty wants us to lynch him today as part of his role. If it's a Civ role, then that's a good thing. If Mafia, then bad. So, the USUAL question gets a reversal of polarity in this instance.
But one of those Indys cannot be lynched, so
There is another role with secrets. A baddie role.I know how it looks but I really did not mean to vote myself. I'm on my phone and I am in the middle of a show right now so I misread.Long Con wrote:
The only question is, is he Mafia or Civ?
...
...I guess that's the question by default. I meant that Scotty wants us to lynch him today as part of his role. If it's a Civ role, then that's a good thing. If Mafia, then bad. So, the USUAL question gets a reversal of polarity in this instance.
You're right that I'm usually pretty wishy-washy -- but as I said, my opinion changed even while writing a post. I was flip-flopping in the moment, weighing each side. But what looks to me like a baddie slip to me is somewhat of a special case -- there is enough that points to a pretty solid reason for suspecting Scotty, so I'm sticking with it for now.Spacedaisy wrote:Whether he is trying to get lynched or not I'm not interested in voting for Scotty personally. I try not to vote for someone who is trying to get lynched. I don't know that is the case here, but I do know that I don't suspect him so I'm not voting him.
Nutella, you coming out with as strong assertions as you have been making since Scotty called you out looks an awful lot like your baddie game to me. I mean it's pretty early in the game for me to see such a strong stance out of you if you are civ. :shrugs:
Hey LC, what's your read on Nutella?
Ok, then straight up, what was the deal with your post about killing Typh? I don't think I have seen a solid statement from you about your intentions with that post, if it wasn't an accidental slip from baddie BTSC. As Dana pointed out:Scotty wrote:I know how it looks but I really did not mean to vote myself. I'm on my phone and I am in the middle of a show right now so I misread.Long Con wrote:
The only question is, is he Mafia or Civ?
...
...I guess that's the question by default. I meant that Scotty wants us to lynch him today as part of his role. If it's a Civ role, then that's a good thing. If Mafia, then bad. So, the USUAL question gets a reversal of polarity in this instance.
I would strongly advise a Nutella lynch. I do not want to be lynchsd today.
Were you aware at the time of your post that this was the case?Enrique wrote:1. Remember, and this goes especially to the new people. No BTSC. This means you may only talk about the game, post about the game on threads about the game. Each BTSC team has their own subforum where they may talk to each other, but that's it, no one may discuss the game outside of the specified threads.
Just want to focus on this. I don't get your angle here. Take me through your thought process, starting from before you made your "slip-up" post, if you don't mind.Scotty wrote:I would strongly advise a Nutella lynch.
I never said anything about there being a plan. Who said that?Long Con wrote:Ok, then straight up, what was the deal with your post about killing Typh? I don't think I have seen a solid statement from you about your intentions with that post, if it wasn't an accidental slip from baddie BTSC. As Dana pointed out:Scotty wrote:I know how it looks but I really did not mean to vote myself. I'm on my phone and I am in the middle of a show right now so I misread.Long Con wrote:
The only question is, is he Mafia or Civ?
...
...I guess that's the question by default. I meant that Scotty wants us to lynch him today as part of his role. If it's a Civ role, then that's a good thing. If Mafia, then bad. So, the USUAL question gets a reversal of polarity in this instance.
I would strongly advise a Nutella lynch. I do not want to be lynchsd today.
Were you aware at the time of your post that this was the case?Enrique wrote:1. Remember, and this goes especially to the new people. No BTSC. This means you may only talk about the game, post about the game on threads about the game. Each BTSC team has their own subforum where they may talk to each other, but that's it, no one may discuss the game outside of the specified threads.
As for nutella's posts, I don't see them at the level of incrimination that some of you are seeing. The baddies are talking in threads, not Chatzy, so the method of posting to their teammates is the same as posting to the thread. That's an ideal way for exactly this kind of slip-up to happen, and I actually agree with her. Either Scotty actually slipped up, or he pretended to slip up. If he pretended to slip up, then... the intention is to go after anyone who accuses you of slipping up?
That "plan" doesn't make sense to me. If there was an actual slip-up then is everyone supposed to ignore it because it's suspicious to believe it?
Can I just say that this is amazing.Scotty wrote:I can run a cycle of clothes with her wishy-washy approach to this.
You're playing 52 card pickup with me here.a2thezebra wrote:This doesn't make any sense to me. How does Scotty's initial post being a joke somehow not make it a slip? Did I accidentally migrate to a universe where baddies don't joke? Of course it's a joke, but I think that it was meant for a different audience. I get thinking that Scotty didn't slip but everyone who's said that he didn't slip because he was joking is pinging me big time.
Then you vote me early, and are back to believing I slipped again...because I slipped.a2thezebra wrote:Oh yeah, and Scotty. I know votes are not changeable and I know how early in the day it is. I didn't say that he slipped to gauge reactions (although you better believe I'm gauging them), I said that he slipped because I think that he slipped. That's final.
I'm making perfect sense. You do know that you can disagree with me while still managing to understand what I'm saying right? Feigning confusion isn't going to do you any favors because I don't buy it and even those that don't think you slipped may suspect you for it as well.Scotty wrote:You're playing 52 card pickup with me here.a2thezebra wrote:This doesn't make any sense to me. How does Scotty's initial post being a joke somehow not make it a slip? Did I accidentally migrate to a universe where baddies don't joke? Of course it's a joke, but I think that it was meant for a different audience. I get thinking that Scotty didn't slip but everyone who's said that he didn't slip because he was joking is pinging me big time.
How does a joke = a slip?
Come on, take it word by word. It isn't that hard. I'm not saying that it's a slip because it's a joke, I'm saying that just because it's a joke doesn't mean that it's not a slip. I don't know how much clearer I can articulate this.
Let me try and wrap my head around what you're saying here.
You're thinking that I:
-slipped, Yes.
-but it was a joke, Probably.
-which is still a slip, Not by default, but in this case yes.
-within some presupposed BTSC chat I'm sorry, do BTSC chats not exist anymore?
BUT
-You think that I DIDN'T slip Don't even pretend that you are this confused. No.
-and everyone that sees me joking instead of slipping is suspect. I think that everyone (most recently Dana) who is saying that because you were joking, that somehow means that you didn't slip, is suspect.
Then you vote me early, and are back to believing I slipped again...because I slipped. Why are you acting like I'm being inconsistent? Show me where you got the impression that I was implying that I thought you didn't slip and then went back to thinking it again, because I don't see this inconsistency. Point it out pretty please if you don't mind.a2thezebra wrote:Oh yeah, and Scotty. I know votes are not changeable and I know how early in the day it is. I didn't say that he slipped to gauge reactions (although you better believe I'm gauging them), I said that he slipped because I think that he slipped. That's final.
Zeebs, you make about as much sense as Hitler appearing in a Pixar movie. I'm sure you're making a case somewhere in there, but I'm not sure what it is.
I'm sorry it didn't satisfact you. I missed the question about thread based BTSC, because I dunno. I guess? Not really sure how pertinent that is to anything.Long Con wrote:As I said, I don't find nutella's response to be "unsatisfactory". It's not an unusual response to a seeming slip-up.
Your response was actually unsatisfactory - for one, you avoided answering my question about whether or not you knew about baddie BTSC being thread-based in this game at the time of your post.
"Maybe it was a joke" you say. You're a metaphorical "uncle at Christmas dinner" who doesn't know when to shut up? No, I don't know... I mean, I do know because my cousin Al IS that "uncle at Christmas dinner"... but I don't see the parallel to your "joke post".
How's about you explain the joke for all us Syndicaters at home? I don't get it. What was the "last game" in which the joke originated? What's the difference between agreeing with someone's analysis and riding their coattails?
You're hurting my mind here.
Treating me like a 5 year old isn't helping me understand. Maybe it's just very late, maybe I am tired, but I keep rererereading your statements and I see contradictions.a2thezebra wrote:I'm making perfect sense. You do know that you can disagree with me while still managing to understand what I'm saying right? Feigning confusion isn't going to do you any favors because I don't buy it and even those that don't think you slipped may suspect you for it as well.Scotty wrote:You're playing 52 card pickup with me here.a2thezebra wrote:This doesn't make any sense to me. How does Scotty's initial post being a joke somehow not make it a slip? Did I accidentally migrate to a universe where baddies don't joke? Of course it's a joke, but I think that it was meant for a different audience. I get thinking that Scotty didn't slip but everyone who's said that he didn't slip because he was joking is pinging me big time.
How does a joke = a slip?
Come on, take it word by word. It isn't that hard. I'm not saying that it's a slip because it's a joke, I'm saying that just because it's a joke doesn't mean that it's not a slip. I don't know how much clearer I can articulate this.
Let me try and wrap my head around what you're saying here.
You're thinking that I:
-slipped, Yes.
-but it was a joke, Probably.
-which is still a slip, Not by default, but in this case yes.
-within some presupposed BTSC chat I'm sorry, do BTSC chats not exist anymore?
BUT
-You think that I DIDN'T slip Don't even pretend that you are this confused. No.
-and everyone that sees me joking instead of slipping is suspect. I think that everyone (most recently Dana) who is saying that because you were joking, that somehow means that you didn't slip, is suspect.
Then you vote me early, and are back to believing I slipped again...because I slipped. Why are you acting like I'm being inconsistent? Show me where you got the impression that I was implying that I thought you didn't slip and then went back to thinking it again, because I don't see this inconsistency. Point it out pretty please if you don't mind.a2thezebra wrote:Oh yeah, and Scotty. I know votes are not changeable and I know how early in the day it is. I didn't say that he slipped to gauge reactions (although you better believe I'm gauging them), I said that he slipped because I think that he slipped. That's final.
Zeebs, you make about as much sense as Hitler appearing in a Pixar movie. I'm sure you're making a case somewhere in there, but I'm not sure what it is.
I don't mean to treat you like a five-year-old I just can't comprehend where you're getting these contradictions from. I mean the best example you can pull up is the underlined portion? That's not a contradiction. Admitting that I can understand where other people are coming from with a differing point of view while going on to state my own point of view is not a contradiction, sorry.Scotty wrote:Treating me like a 5 year old isn't helping me understand. Maybe it's just very late, maybe I am tired, but I keep rererereading your statements and I see contradictions.a2thezebra wrote:I'm making perfect sense. You do know that you can disagree with me while still managing to understand what I'm saying right? Feigning confusion isn't going to do you any favors because I don't buy it and even those that don't think you slipped may suspect you for it as well.Scotty wrote:You're playing 52 card pickup with me here.a2thezebra wrote:This doesn't make any sense to me. How does Scotty's initial post being a joke somehow not make it a slip? Did I accidentally migrate to a universe where baddies don't joke? Of course it's a joke, but I think that it was meant for a different audience. I get thinking that Scotty didn't slip but everyone who's said that he didn't slip because he was joking is pinging me big time.
How does a joke = a slip?
Come on, take it word by word. It isn't that hard. I'm not saying that it's a slip because it's a joke, I'm saying that just because it's a joke doesn't mean that it's not a slip. I don't know how much clearer I can articulate this.
Let me try and wrap my head around what you're saying here.
You're thinking that I:
-slipped, Yes.
-but it was a joke, Probably.
-which is still a slip, Not by default, but in this case yes.
-within some presupposed BTSC chat I'm sorry, do BTSC chats not exist anymore?
BUT
-You think that I DIDN'T slip Don't even pretend that you are this confused. No.
-and everyone that sees me joking instead of slipping is suspect. I think that everyone (most recently Dana) who is saying that because you were joking, that somehow means that you didn't slip, is suspect.
Then you vote me early, and are back to believing I slipped again...because I slipped. Why are you acting like I'm being inconsistent? Show me where you got the impression that I was implying that I thought you didn't slip and then went back to thinking it again, because I don't see this inconsistency. Point it out pretty please if you don't mind.a2thezebra wrote:Oh yeah, and Scotty. I know votes are not changeable and I know how early in the day it is. I didn't say that he slipped to gauge reactions (although you better believe I'm gauging them), I said that he slipped because I think that he slipped. That's final.
Zeebs, you make about as much sense as Hitler appearing in a Pixar movie. I'm sure you're making a case somewhere in there, but I'm not sure what it is.
Are you saying that I intentionally meant to joke in a BTSC chat with fellow baddies? Because that's more concise than "I get thinking that Scotty didn't slip" followed by "I said that he slipped because I think that he slipped." That's about as cohesive as a suspension bridge put together with duct tape.
.Gut read, really.nutella wrote:And why is that?Typhoony wrote:I'm more suspicious of nutelLA and LC than that I am of Zebra/Scotty/SVS right now.
I vent to the chat when I am bad, and he knows it.Long Con wrote:I think S~V~S' reaction is important to look at as well. S~V~S, the explanation of why you were posting at that time wasn't that necessary, it's pretty defensive - that sentence, and your entire post, has the feeling that you are caught.
Long Con from a past game wrote:First of all, don't tell me what I "should know". It just makes me more suspicious of you. You don't know how I read you, how I analyze you, and how I remember your past play in games. You know how YOU do these things, but the things I know, remember, and analyze are not going to be the same as you.
I think he was joking.a2thezebra wrote:And I don't know if you were joking or not, that's not the point. The point is that the possibility that you were joking in no way removes the possibility that you didn't slip, and anyone that thinks otherwise is getting my
Scotty, I understand the idea behind this joke. Discussed in a previous game, S~V~S would not kill Typh on Day 1. That's easy to get.Scotty wrote:I think we should kill Typh first because no one would suspect it was SVS
I appreciate that, marmot friend.Metalmarsh89 wrote:At this point, I agree with you LC. I would rather vote for Scotty than you today.
Scotty wrote: Maybe it was a joke about last game and I kept going with it? You know how there's always that one uncle At thanksgiving dinner that starts talking about politics and has no monitor for when to shut up? What was the point, you say? It was day 0 and I didn't think a joke like that would take such stock. It didn't seem to land with everyone, but it did get some interesting responses that, while unintentional, were welcome
I personally believe in the 5 second rule.Metalmarsh89 wrote:The spaghetti fell out of his pocket. I can't believe I didn't notice that before. That is the most surest sign of a baddie among baddies. Also, Papryco, your spaghetti has melted.
By the way, is that a metaphor?
Maybe Optimal Scotty would honour that time-tested rule, but it has already been established that you are currently operating as Sub-Optimal Scotty. What's up with that? A man's gotta respond to an assertion like that, if he wants to be a man. With more than squinted eyes.Scotty wrote:I personally believe in the 5 second rule.Metalmarsh89 wrote:The spaghetti fell out of his pocket. I can't believe I didn't notice that before. That is the most surest sign of a baddie among baddies. Also, Papryco, your spaghetti has melted.
By the way, is that a metaphor?
Spacedaisy wrote:Wow. I missed all the fun it seems. Here is my reaction to everything and everyone involved:
Scotty: This was not a slip, I don't think it was even intended to be taken as a slip. I've seen slips and this is nothing like those, I've seen and successfully carried out a fake slip and there was nothing believable in that "slip" so I fall squarely on side that read it as a joke. Which would also explain why he didn't say he was trying a gambit to see how people reacted IMO (zebra).
Zebra: I feel like your points you are making are super forced, but I suspect you are the one who is actually pulling a gambit here to see what shakes out. I think you would play with more finesse if you were an opportunistic baddie. Especially since I think some of the things you are demanding answers about have pretty obvious answers.
SVS: I am torn here. I felt like her initial reaction wasn't all that weird but stepping back a bit I can see why people think she is being overly defensive. Even so I can actually see it being just a knee jerk irritated reaction to being thrown in the middle of something she didn't ask for. The longer you've been playing the more jaded you can become. I don't see myself voting for her today unless something else happens to convince me otherwise.
Nutella: I can totally see why Scotty listed you as a person of interest. You put some weight behind the idea that Scotty legitimately slipped up, but not enough to seem too convinced until he called you out. Then you seemed to throttle it up. It looked like someone feeling the waters out, see if it might be a safe wagon to get on. But then Scotty calling you out forced your hand I think.
Black Rock: probably in the same boat as Nutella initially but I don't think I've seen the same response from her as Nutella to Scotty calling her out. I'll have to check back to make sure that is correct but I don't have the same vibe from her as Nutella at the moment.
If I had to vote right now it's probably be for Nutella, but I don't have to vote right now so I will happily wait and see what else the thread conversation might bring up.
Link MM: don't want to vote yourself to find out this time eh? Too costly for your baddie team to risk you getting lynched?
This was my only post before Scotty brought my name up. Is this the weight I threw behind the idea?Black Rock wrote:Here finally. I'm always late to the good parties.
I'll be really upset if Scotty kills Typhoony night one. I never get to play with him. I haven't had a healthy "Typh is bad because." for a long time.
what is a clicker...?Black Rock wrote:Two mistake votes in the first day? Give your clickers a shake.
Oh, has that been established? Because as far as I know, I'm still the same ole Scotty. I started drinking coffee. So maybe that's it? I take offense, sir, that you think my response is not manly enough for you. All I can say is, I do yoga, I bench a nice triple digit number, and I kiss girls, often with both lips at the same time.Long Con wrote:Maybe Optimal Scotty would honour that time-tested rule, but it has already been established that you are currently operating as Sub-Optimal Scotty. What's up with that? A man's gotta respond to an assertion like that, if he wants to be a man. With more than squinted eyes.Scotty wrote:I personally believe in the 5 second rule.Metalmarsh89 wrote:The spaghetti fell out of his pocket. I can't believe I didn't notice that before. That is the most surest sign of a baddie among baddies. Also, Papryco, your spaghetti has melted.
By the way, is that a metaphor?
The little gadget with a wire that neither looks nor sounds like a small rodent.Boulders wrote:what is a clicker...?Black Rock wrote:Two mistake votes in the first day? Give your clickers a shake.
