The Syndicate

Polo wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:

sig wrote:Okay so I didn't mention this since I didn't want to be killed. But, I think there is a good chance mafia Ika killed Silver. Here me out, she can read him almost 100% it would make perfect sense for mafia Ika and/or his teammates to want her dead. This is compounded by Llama's post about how Ika is lock cleared town. I'm thinking a possibly Ika/Llama team.

I'll look more into this tomorrow.

Ika is off the poll today though, so that won't be happening.

Naaah Ika ain´t bad. You may be.

Polo

May I ask why?

Long Con wrote:Shit, sorry SD. That was a misread on my part - sig quoting himself threw me off, and I was reading his response to his post as your response to his post:

Spacedaisy wrote:

sig wrote:

sig wrote:I see three scenarios here.

1. Ika is mafia and killed Silver before she could get a strong read on him.
2. Someone killed Silver to frame Ika, this points to an experienced mafia member.
3. Silver mainly talked about DF, Epi, and LC around the time of her death and EOD. One of them is mafia and killed her.

I'm requoting this, the more I think about the more likely it is to be true, plus I think all three would think that Ika could be framed for Silver's death. I'll do the leg work for it over the phase, I'm just throwing out some thoughts right now.

It's possible, of the three I thinkDF is the least likely to do this and I feel pretty good about Epi. DF could be bad, LC could be bad. I could see LC pulling this.

That said, I'm not convinced it was one of those three either. I'm still partial to my reason. That said, we've had a lot to build on that so far. And the reaction to her death I have liked the least is Lorab. For the moment I am putting my vote there.

I went to smugly fetch this post so I could show you how I wasn't putting words in your mouth at all, when I finally realized what you and sig were telling me. Sorry for the derp on that front. My bad.

Spacedaisy wrote:

Long Con wrote:Shit, sorry SD. That was a misread on my part - sig quoting himself threw me off, and I was reading his response to his post as your response to his post:

Spacedaisy wrote:

sig wrote:

sig wrote:I see three scenarios here.

1. Ika is mafia and killed Silver before she could get a strong read on him.
2. Someone killed Silver to frame Ika, this points to an experienced mafia member.
3. Silver mainly talked about DF, Epi, and LC around the time of her death and EOD. One of them is mafia and killed her.

I'm requoting this, the more I think about the more likely it is to be true, plus I think all three would think that Ika could be framed for Silver's death. I'll do the leg work for it over the phase, I'm just throwing out some thoughts right now.

It's possible, of the three I thinkDF is the least likely to do this and I feel pretty good about Epi. DF could be bad, LC could be bad. I could see LC pulling this.

That said, I'm not convinced it was one of those three either. I'm still partial to my reason. That said, we've had a lot to build on that so far. And the reaction to her death I have liked the least is Lorab. For the moment I am putting my vote there.

I went to smugly fetch this post so I could show you how I wasn't putting words in your mouth at all, when I finally realized what you and sig were telling me. Sorry for the derp on that front. My bad.

LOL, it's ok. I did forget that little blurb back and forth so you were justified in pointing out you had said you suspected me. This response makes me feel better about you, that was making me question you.

Nerolunar wrote:

Polo wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:

sig wrote:Okay so I didn't mention this since I didn't want to be killed. But, I think there is a good chance mafia Ika killed Silver. Here me out, she can read him almost 100% it would make perfect sense for mafia Ika and/or his teammates to want her dead. This is compounded by Llama's post about how Ika is lock cleared town. I'm thinking a possibly Ika/Llama team.

I'll look more into this tomorrow.

Ika is off the poll today though, so that won't be happening.

Naaah Ika ain´t bad. You may be.

Polo

May I ask why?

Pressure. You reacted calmly, not what I had expected from a new player

@Sig: I have a very strong townread on Ika, thats all.

Dom wrote:Nobody wants to summarize DFaraday for me?

Spacedaisy wrote:What is it about Scotty that you don't like?

Epignosis wrote:Long Con, how does Scotty's vote for Lorab affect your opinion of either of them?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Just because I said I haven't been lynched Day 1 in a while doesn't mean the time has come again.

It might be a good idea though. How about if you're bad? Then I might die night 1 if you're not lynched first. I have to put some thought into this.

Seeing Illy play has brought my mood up. I like the return of old Mafia friends. I thought I'd never see her again.

I'll probably nightkill Scotty instead. He's my other go-to option.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm voting for birdwithteeth as well.

I don't like the consecutive posts he made in response to DFaraday earlier.

Also, I doubt I will vote for Silverwolf today.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Matt wrote:To MM, Faraday, Scotty

You helped contribute to a civ lynch on Day 1 by voting Bwt (yeah I did too), and you currently all have your votes on me.

Step it up, gentleman.

I'm going to vote Illy for now in case we want to do a surprise attack on her, but I may change it in about 20 minutes depending on what happens with bea/bubbles and DF.

I suppose instead, I should not contribute to lynches at all?



I changed my mind, I'm leaving my vote on Matt.

Scotty wrote:Why is MM still voting for himself? Like, I know why he said he is voting for himself, but why is he still drawing on himself with a sharpie in the mirror?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Scotty wrote:Why is MM still voting for himself? Like, I know why he said he is voting for himself, but why is he still drawing on himself with a sharpie in the mirror?

I'm not sure. I did it for the lulz, and I guess it's still there.

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Matt wrote:To MM, Faraday, Scotty

You helped contribute to a civ lynch on Day 1 by voting Bwt (yeah I did too), and you currently all have your votes on me.

Step it up, gentleman.

I'm going to vote Illy for now in case we want to do a surprise attack on her, but I may change it in about 20 minutes depending on what happens with bea/bubbles and DF.

I suppose instead, I should not contribute to lynches at all?



I changed my mind, I'm leaving my vote on Matt.

Apart from the general lack of useful content, this is the most suspicious element MM's posts. That underlined bit twists what Matt was saying in a big way.

That's all I've got on MM.

Black Rock wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Scotty wrote:Why is MM still voting for himself? Like, I know why he said he is voting for himself, but why is he still drawing on himself with a sharpie in the mirror?

I'm not sure. I did it for the lulz, and I guess it's still there.

Who do you suspect?

Black Rock wrote:Where do you stand with MM Epig? I didn't really understand what your conclusion was.

Epignosis wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Where do you stand with MM Epig? I didn't really understand what your conclusion was.

If people wanted to lynch MM at this stage, they're not going to get any mileage out of his posts- there's a relatively high number of posts, but they've all been, as it were, poking from the perimeter.

That's what I'm saying.

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Where do you stand with MM Epig? I didn't really understand what your conclusion was.

If people wanted to lynch MM at this stage, they're not going to get any mileage out of his posts- there's a relatively high number of posts, but they've all been, as it were, poking from the perimeter.

That's what I'm saying.

I always have a low-level wanting to lynch MM, but I would much rather lynch Daisy. Long Con should join me in this, since he has ben talking the most sense of anyone lately.

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Where do you stand with MM Epig? I didn't really understand what your conclusion was.

If people wanted to lynch MM at this stage, they're not going to get any mileage out of his posts- there's a relatively high number of posts, but they've all been, as it were, poking from the perimeter.

That's what I'm saying.

I always have a low-level wanting to lynch MM, but I would much rather lynch Daisy. Long Con should join me in this, since he has been talking the most sense of anyone lately.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why do you want to lynch Spacedaisy? I find her presence in this game reassuring.

Epignosis wrote:Would you kill Silverwolf Night 1?

Spacedaisy wrote:1. I'm not protecting DF, I have no read on him, I can't read him,this is a well established fact. I don't know his alignment, there is a chance you will lynch him and find him bad, I don't know.

2. My point was not that I actually want you to lynch him, it's that your logic was deeply flawed. If you had a bad flip on DF, then it would make some sense to point at me but you have no flip on DF.

3. I care because I'm engaged in the game, no one wants to be lynched. And when I see flawed logic being used to paint me as bad, I'm going to point it out.

Scotty wrote:

LoRab wrote:

ika wrote:

LoRab wrote:
Why are you speculating in the thread about who has a civilian role?

sometimes i get board and like to try to figure peoples roles

Figuring out people's roles is a good thing. Even if you aren't bored. But posting your speculations in the thread can only help the baddies. meh. if the baddies are good at all, they will be using some sort of deduction with their own info anyway. I think that speculation isn't the worst thing out there.

Scotty wrote: LoRab: looks bad. I didn't remember anything she has said so I ISO'd her. Not a lot of anything there. Half her posts are just nostalgic posts of the past or asking questions. The other parts:
Day 1, she laments that she doesn't see the case on Dom or DFaraday because they're both playing typically. She votes BWT with the crowd because...he made an inconsistent point, and that was unlike him. Then, shying away from all the bandwagons 24 hours later, does a meaningless vote for Wilgy because he is posting in normal Albeit strange Wilgy manner- also demanding he post normally.
She has played with Wilgy before and knows he has some quirky posting style every game. For someone that doesn't suspect certain people for posting similar to their meta, this is a surprising vote.
Day 2, she misses the vote, and comes back recently saying she doesn't know how she would have voted. Offers the same excuse: "I need to reread" the case on DFaraday. She accepts Epi's suspicion for being quiet, and says that her game has been unusually quiet so far.
Her excuses make her seem worse for wear. Even admitting recently that her game has changed recently.
I think LoRab could very well be bad, and would like to follow this suspicion further.

Reading has never been my strong suit. I'm more into drawing.
In regards to twisting facts: most of this is my opinion anyway, so which facts am I twisting?

Scotty wrote:

LoRab wrote:

ika wrote:

LoRab wrote:
Why are you speculating in the thread about who has a civilian role?

sometimes i get board and like to try to figure peoples roles

Figuring out people's roles is a good thing. Even if you aren't bored. But posting your speculations in the thread can only help the baddies. meh. if the baddies are good at all, they will be using some sort of deduction with their own info anyway. I think that speculation isn't the worst thing out there.

Scotty wrote: LoRab: looks bad. I didn't remember anything she has said so I ISO'd her. Not a lot of anything there. Half her posts are just nostalgic posts of the past or asking questions. The other parts:
Day 1, she laments that she doesn't see the case on Dom or DFaraday because they're both playing typically. She votes BWT with the crowd because...he made an inconsistent point, and that was unlike him. Then, shying away from all the bandwagons 24 hours later, does a meaningless vote for Wilgy because he is posting in normal Albeit strange Wilgy manner- also demanding he post normally.
She has played with Wilgy before and knows he has some quirky posting style every game. For someone that doesn't suspect certain people for posting similar to their meta, this is a surprising vote.
Day 2, she misses the vote, and comes back recently saying she doesn't know how she would have voted. Offers the same excuse: "I need to reread" the case on DFaraday. She accepts Epi's suspicion for being quiet, and says that her game has been unusually quiet so far.
Her excuses make her seem worse for wear. Even admitting recently that her game has changed recently.
I think LoRab could very well be bad, and would like to follow this suspicion further.

I may "look bad" to you, but I'm not bad. And, yes, there has been a bit of nostalgia--Illy is one of my closest mafia friends and I haven't played a game with her in years--I'm enjoying having her back in the game, bantering about old times, and having her here has brought back some mafia memories. And, I've been travelling, so my schedule has been off and I haven't had a ton of time to play. Theres nothing wrong with being nostalgic. My commentary is not necessarily jumping on you because you're catching up with an old pal, but because that had comprised half of your content.

And I don't think Wilgy is being the same as in every game--and it was a day 1 vote, I voted on what I had in the thread. I actually continue to have some suspicion of Wilgy--especially since he never commented on my vote or reason for it (unless I missed a response, in which case someone please point me to it). Well if it's just a Day 1 vote, why should Wilgy have a need to comment on it at all?We'll just have to disagree on the perspective of Wilgy's gameplay, because this is the same cryptic, eccentric Wilgy that I've seen in past games. Maybe I'm viewing him through rose-tinted glasses and that's why I assumed your voting him was hypocritical. I'll give you that.

And, truly, I have not had time to reread anyone--again, travelling, not a lot of time for mafia. I'm not sure what you mean by the last paragraph--I've been quieter than usual because of travel--not the first time that's happened. Not even the first time in recent games. I don't see how being quieter has anything to do with my seeming suspicious. And I did not sy my game has changed recently, just that it's changed since I last played with Illy, in response to her post commenting that I'm not as talkative as I used to be. When Illy and I used to play together, I'd regularly be among the top posters--I once discovered that LP had a character limit on posts and ended up making a post that was 3 posts long because of it. That's not how I play any more--given that Illy is using meta and my rate and style of posting is not what it was then, I wanted to point that out. Being quieter is always inherently suspicious to me, and you drawing attention to your change in playstyle caught my eye. It may be me just seeing what I want to see, or it may be that you wanted to setup your lack of posting as a precedent so that those who know you as a free-posting civ don't get the wrong ideas. We all have time constraints. Not judging you for lack of posting due to travel. I know all about that. I'm just more concerned with the way you put it out there looks to me like a crutch of sorts

I can't help but think that you're twisting the facts in order to get a case against me. Or, even after I've been around here for a while now, you still think that my game play is inherently suspicious and haven't learned how to read me. Reading has never been my strong suit. I'm more into drawing.
In regards to twisting facts: most of this is my opinion anyway, so which facts am I twisting?

Epignosis wrote:Toss Lorab in that second list.

In a shocking plot twist that no one saw coming, Epig suspects LoRab. Otherwise known as a game in which we are both playing.

Epignosis wrote:Lorab may end up with my vote.

LoRab wrote:

ika wrote:hey sig would it be too far fetched that epi is the silencer?

Why are you speculating in the thread about who has a civilian role?

Why is that worth giving someone the eye?

Why didn't you give Polo the eye?

Polo wrote:I believe you are Mr. Carson, Epignosis.

This guy basically called me an old, overweight servant who is married in real life to Dolores Umbridge.

I always find suspicious someone who actively helps the baddies in the thread. It's something that has always pinged my suspiciometer. It's not in the best interest of the civs and it makes me doubt the player's intentions.

And I must have missed noticing the Polo post. I've been catching up in spurts and sometimes in skimming miss a detail here and there.

Spacedaisy wrote:Now Lorab I am up in the air about. I am a little surprised that when Silver was killed, Lorab immediately went to trying to downplay the idea she is likely civ because of Carson. I get that possibility is out there, but why is it so important to you that Silver is not trusted? She barely made any reads at all? Or were we too close for comfort to a teammate who might be linked to her death?

I wasn't trying to downplay anything, and I never disputed that she was likely civ--I merely pointed out the possibility that it is not 100% confirmed that she's civ. I often point out a possibility, even when small, that no one has considered.

ika wrote:i feel liek thsi game is going nowhere and its jsut back and forth aboutt he same things....

lets lynch dasy!

Polo wrote:Either Matt, Wilgy or Sorsha has been silenced last night.

Sorsha wrote:

Polo wrote:Either Matt, Wilgy or Sorsha has been silenced last night.

I'm not. I've just been busy and reading just now I haven't been able to make heads or tails over anything going on in the thread. Two that I have been mostly agreeing with have been Scotty and llama. I could follow a daisy vote but I don't want to just yet. I'd like to read again later when I'm not so tired from work.

Spacedaisy wrote:I'm done talking, you all have already decided. I would just ask that when I am lynched and flip civ, please lynch llama next, so that he is the victim of his own faulty logic as well. He did after all, vote to lynch bubbles and then turn around and wanted to lynch me for her lynch. Takes zero responsibility for his own actions and lynches me because he claims I am protecting DF from lynch, despite the fact he has no idea what DF's role is. That is the basis of this freaking lynch, it's the stupidest case against me I have ever seen and if llama and Dom and ika are not bad, they are going to be eating a ton of crow when this lynch is over.

thellama73 wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:1. I'm not protecting DF, I have no read on him, I can't read him,this is a well established fact. I don't know his alignment, there is a chance you will lynch him and find him bad, I don't know.

2. My point was not that I actually want you to lynch him, it's that your logic was deeply flawed. If you had a bad flip on DF, then it would make some sense to point at me but you have no flip on DF.

3. I care because I'm engaged in the game, no one wants to be lynched. And when I see flawed logic being used to paint me as bad, I'm going to point it out.

My logic isn't flawed. You just disagree with my premises.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Let's make this interesting, Vote sig.

Sig is now the counter-wagon thanks to 50% of the votes against him being himself.