GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]

[Golden]

Mmmmmm, malt.

WTF happened to your avatar it changed!

[LoRab]

Frig. Totally thought the vote ended tomorrow. I seriously need to get my head in this game. Also frig to the result. Didn't really get the INH case, and probably woudn't have voted there (especially after being so wrong about him last game)--not a judgement necessarily against those who voted him, just my own opinion of him. He's an easy false case. So, yeah. Meh.

What did you dislike about the case?

I didn't think it was indicitive of a baddie INH? I'm not sure I understand what you're asking.

You said you would not have vote for him; why not?

Because I didn't think he seemed bad and I nothing that was said about him made me think he was bad. I don't remember the particular points, but as I read through them, they didn't convince me that he was bad. I also read them with the eye of thinking that he was a player who was easy for players to manipulate feelings against and make seem bad to be falsely lynched (see last game), so that probably colored my reading). But, basically, I didn't think he seemed bad, so I wouldn't have voted for him. What am I missing in your question?

[Sloonei]

Also, I find your two statements contradictory. How can he be pretty much impossible to read and yet you lean town on him?

Did you read my post? I said I leaned town on Epi because I didn't think his gimmick was doing any damage to the town effort. Beyond obfuscating his own alignment, of course.

Why do you like Scotty avoiding the INH vote?

He had a correct read on INH and promoted that read in the thread. Had we followed that advice, it would've been profitable to the town effort. That's more town evidence than we have for most people at this point.

Also, voted the mini-market because food.

What if he was right about INH because he's bad and knew what the result of that lynch would be?
Also, as I said at the time, I think the Epi bandwagon was a lot worse than the INH one. Yeah we were wrong, but as the case against Epi is "he's doing a gimmicky thing", and he's Epi, that is not something I can support. Scotty's vote for Epi might have been the worst looking one of the day, IMO.

[Sloonei]

Frig. Totally thought the vote ended tomorrow. I seriously need to get my head in this game. Also frig to the result. Didn't really get the INH case, and probably woudn't have voted there (especially after being so wrong about him last game)--not a judgement necessarily against those who voted him, just my own opinion of him. He's an easy false case. So, yeah. Meh.

What did you dislike about the case?

I didn't think it was indicitive of a baddie INH? I'm not sure I understand what you're asking.

You said you would not have vote for him; why not?

Because I didn't think he seemed bad and I nothing that was said about him made me think he was bad. I don't remember the particular points, but as I read through them, they didn't convince me that he was bad. I also read them with the eye of thinking that he was a player who was easy for players to manipulate feelings against and make seem bad to be falsely lynched (see last game), so that probably colored my reading). But, basically, I didn't think he seemed bad, so I wouldn't have voted for him. What am I missing in your question?

Do you have any other thoughts about the game to share?

[birdwithteeth11]

Why do you like Scotty avoiding the INH vote?

He had a correct read on INH and promoted that read in the thread. Had we followed that advice, it would've been profitable to the town effort. That's more town evidence than we have for most people at this point.

Also, voted the mini-market because food.

I know this wasn't a response to a question I asked. But your response has me wondering.

1) Scotty lambasted MP for his PoE methodology, and ignored a direct question from MP 3 times.

2) His vote for Epig looks incredibly weak, given from what I've gathered, the main case against Epig was "He is being gimmicky and isn't posting substance." I found it a bit odd as well, but I still didn't think it was a good enough reason to vote someone Day 1.

You say you think Scotty looks good because of his correct read on INH. Do either of the 2 points I brought up affect your opinion on him or not?

[Sloonei]

Over 1000 posts before Day 2. Way to go, team.

[Dom]

go through each of epi's posts and show me the useless ones.

At the time I voted for him, this was 100% of his posts:

Spoiler: show

All My Posts Will Be Potential Titles for Post-Rock Songs

We Are Closing on the Mint House on the Cul-de-Sac in December

POE is Rolling Around in His Grave (Which is in Baltimore, 515 W Fayette Street, in Case You Wanted to Go There)

Townie is Such a Pussy Word

You are Preaching to the Choir, Which is Wearing Robes Made by Unchristian Foreigners

This is Boring, but at Least The Children Are Asleep

Some People Just Like Big Numbers Under Their Names

This is Not a Rainbow; It is Green Snot and Gray Snot

LoRab is Not a Cold Dead Person

Jesus Christ, Six Pages

This Includes Content

It's a Sin to Kill a Bird With Teeth on the First Day.

The third one could potentially be interpreted as him saying he doesn't like MP's POE strategy, and the last one is saying he thinks BWT is good. The rest? compost

OK
But that isn't his current posting. Why are you still deeming him useless?

Would you believe me if I told you all the INH voters are bad?

I would not k.

What makes you think that?

Why else would they have voted for a civilian?

In hindsight, I still think he was the best choice for a Day 1 vote. Nobody else convinced me otherwise, but Scotty came close for me.

I think I would have liked to leave my vote on bwt.

Care to elaborate?


MP PLEASE ANSWER TO THE FOLLOWING

I don't trust several people on this lynch and I don't think Inh will flip bad.

And JJJ: I'm sorry you hate that post.

I still stand by my first post of this game

You're bad.

Alex posted this before Day One ended, but still voted INH even though Rob gave him reason not to.

I find that suspicious.
His last post on me:

Sloonei, I'm not too sure how to answer your question with any conviction because I'm really not sure what to think of Dom. A large part of it is definitely gut, but I thought I had a bit more to town read him than I actually do, upon recollection. There's this at least:

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What would be a better answer?

An answer which details a reasonable perspective you have/had about what I might be doing as a baddie when I poked MP on Day 0 which bears the appearance of being genuine. I don't know what that'd be, but I'd imagine it's plausible for it to exist.

What would be a worse answer?

An answer which details an unreasonable perspective you have/had about what I might be doing as a baddie when I poked MP on Day 0 which does not bear the appearance of being genuine. I thought you might be shading me for opportunism re: MP via implication without directly stating it, which would be a dubious assertion given the fuller context of my dialogue with MP.

To your credit, you didn't go there. You didn't provide a "reasonable perspective" either; you left your answer at its most basic: "I thought your accusation was b/s and it was a ping". It's not a thorough explanation, but it's also not one that looks made up. I can on some level appreciate the take-it-or-leave-it frankness.

This is a good point. I can believe that a baddie Dom would have engaged in the latter.

But I do see a lack of townie fire/spark in him and plenty of potential for manufactured content in his posts. I don't know. He could very easily be a mafia read; it was mostly a current gut-based assertion.

So, he gives reason to read me civ, but puts me as a weak mafia read next time he gives a rainbow.
That's strange too. His last post on me:

Sloonei, I'm not too sure how to answer your question with any conviction because I'm really not sure what to think of Dom. A large part of it is definitely gut, but I thought I had a bit more to town read him than I actually do, upon recollection. There's this at least:

Spoiler: show

What would be a better answer?

An answer which details a reasonable perspective you have/had about what I might be doing as a baddie when I poked MP on Day 0 which bears the appearance of being genuine. I don't know what that'd be, but I'd imagine it's plausible for it to exist.

What would be a worse answer?

An answer which details an unreasonable perspective you have/had about what I might be doing as a baddie when I poked MP on Day 0 which does not bear the appearance of being genuine. I thought you might be shading me for opportunism re: MP via implication without directly stating it, which would be a dubious assertion given the fuller context of my dialogue with MP.

To your credit, you didn't go there. You didn't provide a "reasonable perspective" either; you left your answer at its most basic: "I thought your accusation was b/s and it was a ping". It's not a thorough explanation, but it's also not one that looks made up. I can on some level appreciate the take-it-or-leave-it frankness.

This is a good point. I can believe that a baddie Dom would have engaged in the latter.

But I do see a lack of townie fire/spark in him and plenty of potential for manufactured content in his posts. I don't know. He could very easily be a mafia read; it was mostly a current gut-based assertion.

So, he gives reason to read me civ, but puts me as a weak mafia read next time he gives a rainbow.
That's strange too.

Elaboration and justification for both would be nice.

so who are the good guys and who are the bad guys

MetalMarsh is a bad guy, Epignosis is a good guy.

I agree with this.

[Sloonei]

That's twice people have agreed with me saying Metalmarsh is bad. I don't even think that. I don't not think it either. But I was just throwing a pair of names at A Person to give them something to work with.

[birdwithteeth11]

That's twice people have agreed with me saying Metalmarsh is bad. I don't even think that. I don't not think it either. But I was just throwing a pair of names at A Person to give them something to work with.

Why throw it out there if you don't think it? Because to me, A Person is the type of player who might take that and run with it.

FWIW, I've previously stated why I think MM might be bad.

[Dom]

That's twice people have agreed with me saying Metalmarsh is bad. I don't even think that. I don't not think it either. But I was just throwing a pair of names at A Person to give them something to work with.

He used ass-backwards logic to justify a timmer vote.

[Dom]

BWT why did you ask Epi that question when he had already answered it?

[Vompatti]

Over 1000 posts before Day 2. Way to go, team.

Would you believe me if I told you I wouldn't mind the mafia and/or serial killer killing all the high posters so the rest of us can keep up?

[Golden]

Over 1000 posts before Day 2. Way to go, team.

Would you believe me if I told you I wouldn't mind the mafia and/or serial killer killing all the high posters so the rest of us can keep up?

What makes you think the high posters can keep up? We write the content, we don't read it!

[Dom]

I think one or two high posters in particular are responsibble tho

[Dom]

tbh i remember when i used to be considered a high poster

man what a time

[Sloonei]

That's twice people have agreed with me saying Metalmarsh is bad. I don't even think that. I don't not think it either. But I was just throwing a pair of names at A Person to give them something to work with.

Why throw it out there if you don't think it? Because to me, A Person is the type of player who might take that and run with it.

FWIW, I've previously stated why I think MM might be bad.

Because I wanted to see what A Person would do with it. You say they'd take it run with it. I dunno. I've never played with A Person before and they don't seem to be too present in here.

I'm certainly not arguing against Metalmarsh being bad. I just don't want to take claim for a read that isn't truly mine. He's a suspect just like everyone else.

[birdwithteeth11]

BWT why did you ask Epi that question when he had already answered it?

He answered it before I asked? When did he do that?

[Marmot]

Question for the masses.

I make arbitrary and nonsensical votes, and nobody gives a shit.

I catch something I find suspicious and vote based on that, and people do give a shit.

For those of you whose read of me matches up with these statements, why is it so? I don't understand.

[Sloonei]

I think one or two high posters in particular are responsibble tho

Which ones?

[birdwithteeth11]

Question for the masses.

I make arbitrary and nonsensical votes, and nobody gives a shit.

I catch something I find suspicious and vote based on that, and people do give a shit.

For those of you whose read of me matches up with these statements, why is it so? I don't understand.

I think because the first few votes from you were arbitrary and nonsensical. Whenever someone changes their vote that often on Day 1, it always pings me really hard.

Doesn't mean I think you're bad, but it will make me put an eye on you.

[triceratopzeuhl]

go through each of epi's posts and show me the useless ones.

At the time I voted for him, this was 100% of his posts:

Spoiler: show

All My Posts Will Be Potential Titles for Post-Rock Songs

We Are Closing on the Mint House on the Cul-de-Sac in December

POE is Rolling Around in His Grave (Which is in Baltimore, 515 W Fayette Street, in Case You Wanted to Go There)

Townie is Such a Pussy Word

You are Preaching to the Choir, Which is Wearing Robes Made by Unchristian Foreigners

This is Boring, but at Least The Children Are Asleep

Some People Just Like Big Numbers Under Their Names

This is Not a Rainbow; It is Green Snot and Gray Snot

LoRab is Not a Cold Dead Person

Jesus Christ, Six Pages

This Includes Content

It's a Sin to Kill a Bird With Teeth on the First Day.

The third one could potentially be interpreted as him saying he doesn't like MP's POE strategy, and the last one is saying he thinks BWT is good. The rest? compost

OK
But that isn't his current posting. Why are you still deeming him useless?

Show me where I've said that since day 1

At the time I voted for him,

That's twice people have agreed with me saying Metalmarsh is bad. I don't even think that. I don't not think it either. But I was just throwing a pair of names at A Person to give them something to work with.

Speaking of changing your vote often, how many times did you change your vote yesterday, 3?

[Sloonei]

Frig. Totally thought the vote ended tomorrow. I seriously need to get my head in this game. Also frig to the result. Didn't really get the INH case, and probably woudn't have voted there (especially after being so wrong about him last game)--not a judgement necessarily against those who voted him, just my own opinion of him. He's an easy false case. So, yeah. Meh.

In case I'm about to end up dead, I want to clarify why I've been intermittently grilling LoRab tonight. The first couple sentences (underlined) suggest to me that she is not caught up or fully involved in this game, but then in the middle portion (italics) she condemns the case against INH as one she would not have supported.

By no means is it impossible for her to have enough of a footing in this game to have gathered some understanding of the reasons people gave to vote for INH, but the contrast from "I am out of the loop" to "that was a bad lynch which I would not have participated in" was something that stood out to me.

[birdwithteeth11]

These are the questions I have asked Epig so far:

This Includes Content

I get your whole schtick for this game, but are you planning on incorporating any actual content in at some point?

It's a Sin to Kill a Bird With Teeth on the First Day.

What do you feel about the cases against me so far?

I don't think it is unreasonable for BWT to ask Epi that question.

It Was a Dumb Question.

How was it a dumb question? I'm curious.

Dom, which of these are you saying he had answered previously? Because I went back and I'm not seeing it.

Linki: Interesting there on Lorab. I will reflect on that one.

[Sloonei]

That's twice people have agreed with me saying Metalmarsh is bad. I don't even think that. I don't not think it either. But I was just throwing a pair of names at A Person to give them something to work with.

Speaking of changing your vote often, how many times did you change your vote yesterday, 3?

Something like that, yeah. It's a thing I do often. Do you have a problem with any of my vote changes?

[triceratopzeuhl]

According to the poll thread: MP MM and Sloonei all changed votes 3 times, Wilgy twice, scotty golden and timmer once

I don't know what I think about that, but BWT was mentioning it was a potential thing to look at and I wanted to point out it was more than just metalmarsh doing that

[triceratopzeuhl]

gotta go make supper and then I'm going to work on my overclock, so if I'm not back later tonight it's because of bsod

[Marmot]

Question for the masses.

I make arbitrary and nonsensical votes, and nobody gives a shit.

I catch something I find suspicious and vote based on that, and people do give a shit.

For those of you whose read of me matches up with these statements, why is it so? I don't understand.

I think because the first few votes from you were arbitrary and nonsensical. Whenever someone changes their vote that often on Day 1, it always pings me really hard.

Doesn't mean I think you're bad, but it will make me put an eye on you.

Looking back, I remember now that you did give a shit before.

I don't know how much everyone else changed their votes. But I'm sure I was one of the few to consistently state my vote changes in thread.

It's also a way of generating content (even if I haven't had any time to observe it), and one of the reasons I prefer changeable votes to unchangeable.

[Sloonei]

According to the poll thread: MP MM and Sloonei all changed votes 3 times, Wilgy twice, scotty golden and timmer once

I don't know what I think about that, but BWT was mentioning it was a potential thing to look at and I wanted to point out it was more than just metalmarsh doing that

fair deal. I come from a Mafia background where changing votes frequently is a common thing. I like to use my votes just to emphasize current suspicions and I never consider anything final until the deadline hits.

[Marmot]

According to the poll thread: MP MM and Sloonei all changed votes 3 times, Wilgy twice, scotty golden and timmer once

I don't know what I think about that, but BWT was mentioning it was a potential thing to look at and I wanted to point out it was more than just metalmarsh doing that

fair deal. I come from a Mafia background where changing votes frequently is a common thing. I like to use my votes just to emphasize current suspicions and I never consider anything final until the deadline hits.

Agreed.

K, gotta run. Catch y'all later!

[Dom]

Question for the masses.

I make arbitrary and nonsensical votes, and nobody gives a shit.

I catch something I find suspicious and vote based on that, and people do give a shit.

For those of you whose read of me matches up with these statements, why is it so? I don't understand.

When you find things suspicious for nonsensical reasons like you did today it's a bad look.

I think one or two high posters in particular are responsibble tho

Which ones?

i mean i'm joking around

but mp has posted over 300 times and day two hasn't started.

I am less thrilled with the Epi wagon. It seems lazy or worse to get through this thick pile of posts from Day 0 to now and arrive there. I also think "hiding behind a gimmick/roleplay" is a weak accusation that comes from baddies more often ghan the average accusation.

I've been criticized for this opinion before but I don't think lynching people who are purposely being useless is a terrible choice, even if they flip town.

justifying an epig lynch and removing accountability at the same time.

These are the questions I have asked Epig so far:

This Includes Content

I get your whole schtick for this game, but are you planning on incorporating any actual content in at some point?

It's a Sin to Kill a Bird With Teeth on the First Day.

What do you feel about the cases against me so far?

I don't think it is unreasonable for BWT to ask Epi that question.

It Was a Dumb Question.

How was it a dumb question? I'm curious.

Dom, which of these are you saying he had answered previously? Because I went back and I'm not seeing it.

The second one.
Because the post you responded to is an answer to that question.

[Ricochet]

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[Ricochet]

Night 1: I Can't Come Until She Realizes That We Are All Ascending Towards Nothing

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[Epignosis]

Stofnandi ætti að deyja

[Vompatti]

wtf

[Golden]

wtf

My sweetest friend
Everyone I know
Goes away in the end

[birdwithteeth11]

Question for the masses.

I make arbitrary and nonsensical votes, and nobody gives a shit.

I catch something I find suspicious and vote based on that, and people do give a shit.

For those of you whose read of me matches up with these statements, why is it so? I don't understand.

I think because the first few votes from you were arbitrary and nonsensical. Whenever someone changes their vote that often on Day 1, it always pings me really hard.

Doesn't mean I think you're bad, but it will make me put an eye on you.

Looking back, I remember now that you did give a shit before.

I don't know how much everyone else changed their votes. But I'm sure I was one of the few to consistently state my vote changes in thread.

It's also a way of generating content (even if I haven't had any time to observe it), and one of the reasons I prefer changeable votes to unchangeable.

Well given it is for Day 1, I can understand that. Especially if you're having a hard time catching up.

Still don't feel great about you, but we have another full day period for you to change my mind.

Also, RIPIYWG Voopy!

[birdwithteeth11]

These are the questions I have asked Epig so far:

This Includes Content

I get your whole schtick for this game, but are you planning on incorporating any actual content in at some point?

It's a Sin to Kill a Bird With Teeth on the First Day.

What do you feel about the cases against me so far?

I don't think it is unreasonable for BWT to ask Epi that question.

It Was a Dumb Question.

How was it a dumb question? I'm curious.

Dom, which of these are you saying he had answered previously? Because I went back and I'm not seeing it.

The second one.
Because the post you responded to is an answer to that question.

Not really. I was asking him what he thought about the people who had made cases and/or voted for me on Day 1.

[Dom]

you asked abotu the cases not the people but w.e.

[LoRab]

Frig. Totally thought the vote ended tomorrow. I seriously need to get my head in this game. Also frig to the result. Didn't really get the INH case, and probably woudn't have voted there (especially after being so wrong about him last game)--not a judgement necessarily against those who voted him, just my own opinion of him. He's an easy false case. So, yeah. Meh.

In case I'm about to end up dead, I want to clarify why I've been intermittently grilling LoRab tonight. The first couple sentences (underlined) suggest to me that she is not caught up or fully involved in this game, but then in the middle portion (italics) she condemns the case against INH as one she would not have supported.

By no means is it impossible for her to have enough of a footing in this game to have gathered some understanding of the reasons people gave to vote for INH, but the contrast from "I am out of the loop" to "that was a bad lynch which I would not have participated in" was something that stood out to me.

You could have just asked.

I got online. I realized I missed the vote. I read all the posts since my last post. I posted. Yes, I'm still getting into the game and I still never read those 5 pages from the other day. But I read from yesterday which had I had stuff that I had an opinion on while I was reading it and then saw the lunch result when I got to it.

I think you are trying to see my posts through a false lens. I am not bad. I just am not entirely into the game yet. I have a few opinions, but I'm still getting there.

I shared one opinion and you apparently suspect me for it. So, what's my motivation to tell you more opinions exactly?

Also, my other opinions are of folks who I feel are probably civ and I don't psrtocularly want to help the mafia by sharing that. I don't have any glaring suspicions st this point. I want to reread inh's suspects.

[birdwithteeth11]

you asked abotu the cases not the people but w.e.

It was a poor word choice on my part. But that was what I was referring to.

[Golden]

So, what's my motivation to tell you more opinions exactly?

My empire of dirt

[Golden]

You could have it all

[Dom]

u guise r weird

[Epignosis]

I Will Make You Hurt

[Golden]

I Will Make You Hurt

I will let you down

[birdwithteeth11]

I Will Make You Hurt

Hurt so good?

[birdwithteeth11]

But really, who are you planning on hurting?

[Epignosis]

But really, who are you planning on hurting?

Listen to More Nine Inch Nails (or Better Yet, Johnny Cash)

[birdwithteeth11]

Quick note, my most opportune times to be active in this phase are tonight and tomorrow morning. After that I probably won't be back until really close to EOD for Day 2. So if I'm a bit quieter this time around that is why.

[Golden]

Quick note, my most opportune times to be active in this phase are tonight and tomorrow morning. After that I probably won't be back until really close to EOD for Day 2. So if I'm a bit quieter this time around that is why.

Everyone I know
Goes away in the end