The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:14 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:29 pm The host post mentions a mafia team failing to show up. I'm just tryna point that out, y'all.

I can’t tell if you’re trolling. Golden’s golden enough to not give away info in the host post. And anyway, that very thing you’re talking about could just pertain to the fact that there was no kill. So, useless anyway.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:00 am My host philosophy - my interaction is a deliberate mindfuck - if you read into it it could be to your benefit or your detriment. I'm probably rare, but it actually irritates me when people won't interact as hosts or deadies, and I actively dislike hosts who won't answer questions to all in thread and interact with their players. Coming to this site is supposed to be fun. It's not a maths exam. Heck, where I came from, reading the host posts could provide you with game information - and to me thats entirely fair play because hosts put in effort to writing the posts and want you to read them, and the information was equal for all factions. In addition, you'd banter with the host, and that was fine - the host should want EVERY player to try their best, and I think having banter with your players keeps them engaged and hoping to succeed.

If Golden the host says of the mafia team failing to perform their kill, "as it happened, they never showed up at all" then I'm gonna take it to mean there is a possibility that the mafia team did not submit a kill. Or it could be any other factor that might prevent a kill. My only point is that this may be an indication of a missed kill attempt. Or it may not be. we don't know. I want us to consider all possibilities.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:16 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:14 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:29 pm The host post mentions a mafia team failing to show up. I'm just tryna point that out, y'all.

I can’t tell if you’re trolling. Golden’s golden enough to not give away info in the host post. And anyway, that very thing you’re talking about could just pertain to the fact that there was no kill. So, useless anyway.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:00 am My host philosophy - my interaction is a deliberate mindfuck - if you read into it it could be to your benefit or your detriment. I'm probably rare, but it actually irritates me when people won't interact as hosts or deadies, and I actively dislike hosts who won't answer questions to all in thread and interact with their players. Coming to this site is supposed to be fun. It's not a maths exam. Heck, where I came from, reading the host posts could provide you with game information - and to me thats entirely fair play because hosts put in effort to writing the posts and want you to read them, and the information was equal for all factions. In addition, you'd banter with the host, and that was fine - the host should want EVERY player to try their best, and I think having banter with your players keeps them engaged and hoping to succeed.

If Golden the host says of the mafia team failing to perform their kill, "as it happened, they never showed up at all" then I'm gonna take it to mean there is a possibility that the mafia team did not submit a kill. Or it could be any other factor that might prevent a kill. My only point is that this may be an indication of a missed kill attempt. Or it may not be. we don't know. I want us to consider all possibilities.

Doubt it. Golden mentioned back in one of the tribe threads that his host posts aren't meant to be indicative of anything.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:32 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:16 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:14 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:29 pm The host post mentions a mafia team failing to show up. I'm just tryna point that out, y'all.

I can’t tell if you’re trolling. Golden’s golden enough to not give away info in the host post. And anyway, that very thing you’re talking about could just pertain to the fact that there was no kill. So, useless anyway.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:00 am My host philosophy - my interaction is a deliberate mindfuck - if you read into it it could be to your benefit or your detriment. I'm probably rare, but it actually irritates me when people won't interact as hosts or deadies, and I actively dislike hosts who won't answer questions to all in thread and interact with their players. Coming to this site is supposed to be fun. It's not a maths exam. Heck, where I came from, reading the host posts could provide you with game information - and to me thats entirely fair play because hosts put in effort to writing the posts and want you to read them, and the information was equal for all factions. In addition, you'd banter with the host, and that was fine - the host should want EVERY player to try their best, and I think having banter with your players keeps them engaged and hoping to succeed.

If Golden the host says of the mafia team failing to perform their kill, "as it happened, they never showed up at all" then I'm gonna take it to mean there is a possibility that the mafia team did not submit a kill. Or it could be any other factor that might prevent a kill. My only point is that this may be an indication of a missed kill attempt. Or it may not be. we don't know. I want us to consider all possibilities.

Doubt it. Golden mentioned back in one of the tribe threads that his host posts aren't meant to be indicative of anything.

nevermind. i misinterpreted it. he was talking about getting inspiration from players to put in the EoD posts. still doubt these posts indicate anything tho.

Also I got distracted in the middle of this activity because I got a random email notifcation on my phone at 1:30 in the morning from one of the Canadian grad schools I applied to letting me know I've been accepted. This is the closest I've come to actually being a canadian.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:41 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:32 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:16 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:14 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:29 pm The host post mentions a mafia team failing to show up. I'm just tryna point that out, y'all.

I can’t tell if you’re trolling. Golden’s golden enough to not give away info in the host post. And anyway, that very thing you’re talking about could just pertain to the fact that there was no kill. So, useless anyway.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:00 am My host philosophy - my interaction is a deliberate mindfuck - if you read into it it could be to your benefit or your detriment. I'm probably rare, but it actually irritates me when people won't interact as hosts or deadies, and I actively dislike hosts who won't answer questions to all in thread and interact with their players. Coming to this site is supposed to be fun. It's not a maths exam. Heck, where I came from, reading the host posts could provide you with game information - and to me thats entirely fair play because hosts put in effort to writing the posts and want you to read them, and the information was equal for all factions. In addition, you'd banter with the host, and that was fine - the host should want EVERY player to try their best, and I think having banter with your players keeps them engaged and hoping to succeed.

If Golden the host says of the mafia team failing to perform their kill, "as it happened, they never showed up at all" then I'm gonna take it to mean there is a possibility that the mafia team did not submit a kill. Or it could be any other factor that might prevent a kill. My only point is that this may be an indication of a missed kill attempt. Or it may not be. we don't know. I want us to consider all possibilities.

Doubt it. Golden mentioned back in one of the tribe threads that his host posts aren't meant to be indicative of anything.

nevermind. i misinterpreted it. he was talking about getting inspiration from players to put in the EoD posts. still doubt these posts indicate anything tho.

I just dug through all his posts to find what you were talking about and was gonna say this.

Also I got distracted in the middle of this activity because I got a random email notifcation on my phone at 1:30 in the morning from one of the Canadian grad schools I applied to letting me know I've been accepted. This is the closest I've come to actually being a canadian.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:11 pm I basically gave the shortened version of the Wilgy case in my vote. There's not a whole lot to it unless we want to get into the specifics of every read on every player in the game.

If we assume that mafia nightkills are restricted to players in the same tribe as their killers, as was the case for all night actions during the tribal phase, then somebody who was in the Pikachu tribe last night killed sprityo. We can rule out sprityo himself because duh. The reamining five players, myself excluded, happen to be my five strongest town reads in the game at the moment (Kyle, scotty, daisy, epi, dh). That leaves DrWilgy as the lone suspect in a small pool of players from which to choose.

I understand that to simply gloss over 5 critical reads without any explanation isn't entirely satisfying, but I have my reasons and most of them are in one of the two other threads already. I don't care to go into them unless somebody has an argument for lynching any of those players.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:05 am
"Rude" was a joke, mainly for Juliets. It was a Dutchie thing. Sorry, it had not occurred to me that you did not have enough history with them to get it.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:38 pm Should I be expected to do all the work for you Kyle? His decent reads/hunting for baddies, SVS's posts to name just two factors of many. The Chuck vote reeks of mafia involvement.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:20 pm I like SVS, Epi, DDL

I don't like DH last minute switch from Wilgy to Speed with such little reasoning when he was so adamant on leaving Speed alive, very strange progression.

I would say the same about DDL, but outside of that he looks good.

Sloonie is looking very meh to me. He was a civ than mafia than back to civ and now he's leaning back into the mafia camp. I just can't decide what to think about him.

Bloober pinged me awhile back, but I can't remember why.
Lorab, Scotty, and Sprityo are all civ leans/independent.

I'll probably vote for Wilgy.

Didn't we figure out refrigerator has to be Quin? If that's the case do we believe that's a mafia role. It doesn't seem that civvie, however we have had curse roles that are held by a civ this past year.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:51 pm Please allow me to have my S~V~S moment of Atticus Finch'ing Wilgy before he gets decisively sold down the river.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:53 pm Hey why are we all on wilgy now? This thread seems just be barreling down the path of least resistance right now. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but there's not a whole lot of critical discussion going on here. What's more fun and exciting than sound critical discussion?

This is the post that I keep coming back to. This here thread's hella flighty, going after, as Sloonei says, the path of least resistance.

That's because of a strange contradiction which is occupying this game. Despite having successfully killed multiple mafia members, no one's actually acting like they know what's going on. People aren't really extrapolating things from flips. Instead, we're going with gut reads and flights of fancy. Except, of course, when an act of bizzarity like the whole Speedchuck conundrum pops up, which, to be honest, would have gotten him lynched in whatever game it happened in.

It's hard to pinpoint the root cause of this passivity and confused malaise, *COUGH*CHICKACHIKAMECHANICS*COUGH* but we can see it displayed in full force with the case against the good honorable Doctor Wilgy, who, let's be honest, is definitely gonna be lynched today.

SYNDICATE CRIME STORY

THE PEOPLE VS. DOCTOR WILGY

1. "META"

Spacedaisy's argument which more or less kicked this whole thing off centered around her belief in a simple dichotomy between the good, civilian DrWilgy, and the evil, scummy Mr. Hyde DrWilgy. Good Wilgy is zany, irrelevant, and usually actively self-sabotaging. We've all seen DrWilgy in games before, acting like some kind of madman, randomly interjecting nonsensical asides into the thread. It's what he's known for. He's a successor to the previous King of Irreverence, Vompatti. (RIP) That, according to Daisy, is the "civ" Wilgy.

Meanwhile, there ostensibly exists a second doppelganger-esque version of Wilgy which lies in wait, exhibiting such maniacal stratagems as "logic," and "effort" to stymy people into believing he's civilian, when really he's a dirty, rotten scummeister.

Basically, "weird" Wilgy = civ, and "intelligent" Wilgy = scum.

That's a pretty bullshit meta case, even by the low standards of meta cases. Assuming that this is true impugns the good Doctor's character. Who are we, who presume to know what lies in the mind of Wilgy? This is the Game of Champions, and despite a sluggish start, I'd expect everyone to bring their A-game. (Even though I myself have faltered at this due to hosting obligations.) It's a dumb, reductive, and certainly not flattering case that throws context out the window. Furthermore, and this is just my opinion, I'd rather play with a persuasive, involved, comprehensible version of Wilgy than the fountain of wackiness. Enthusiastically agreeing with this meta case seems like a way to message to Wilgy that he should be less involved in games, because people will just assume that he's, y'know, trying because he's bad, and not because he just enjoys playing.

Bleh.

2. "PREVIOUS ROLE"

As far as I can gather, and this has kinda been my pet theory from the start, roles don't actually come with a pre-defined alignment. S~V~S was the literal plague, and she's a strong civ read for me.

It seems to me that if you suspect Wilgy because of his previous role, you must also view everyone else through that lens. No cherrypicking who "it makes sense for." For me, that has too many repurcussions that contradict my views.

3. "THE SPRITYO KILL"

Really, Sloonei has been the only one beating this drum, and I have to give him credit for it. This reason's way stronger than the first two, mainly due to its reliance on facts.

FACT: Sprityo was killed Night 8 on the Pikachu Tribe after the wacky swap.

FACT: It must have been (at least) one of the following eight people - Sloonei, Kylemii, Spacedaisy, Scotty, DharmaHelper, Epignosis, Sprityo himself, or DrWilgy. (At least) one of those eight people is a moiderer.

This is where things get all subjective-y, but I've personally had more reason to suspect Daisy, Scotty, and DH than Wilgy. Interesting how they all seem to be funneling onto him today. I don't jive with Sloonei's POE reasoning, and if you suspect any of the other eight people, you don't either.

4. "DAMMIT, GOLDEN, YOU REALLY COULDN'T FIND A FRIGGIN' REPLACEMENT FOR THE GAME OF CHAMPIONS?"

This is the unescapable reality which will dictate why he'll probably be lynched today. DrWilgy has a ton of shit going on in his life currently, and cannot participate in the thread or lend to discussion very much. He popped back up during on March 21st, and has posted a couple of times since then, but overall does not seem to be stepping up his participation. Wilgy has gots to do what Wilgy has gots to do.

All that makes him an uber-easy target. No resistance, no pushback. All you have to do is sigh and go, "Wilgy, I guess," and everyone will nod their head in understanding. And that's why he's gonna be lynched today. Not because of any solid reasoning. Because he's the easiest option, the path of least resistance.

My fellow Champions, why must it be that way? Can we please all, including the poor old Doctor Wilgy, find in our hearts to try and do better than this?

Hell, lynch me for posting a large, rambling, nonsensical post passionately defending an inactive player without really providing a strong alternative! At least that's an actual reason for suspicion.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:48 am Like DH is accusing people of voting for Speed and not listening to SVS.

Except SVS believed (and probably stilldoes) that Speed was bad.

So this logic is just stupid.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:57 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:48 am Like DH is accusing people of voting for Speed and not listening to SVS.

Except SVS believed (and probably stilldoes) that Speed was bad.

So this logic is just stupid.

Excuse me? Stupid how? Agreeing with me?

And what it the difference between "player salad" and a list of reads? Would you find it less salad-y had he done it in pretty colors descending from green to red?

Not every list of reads is a player salad. Sometimes they are a list of reads. Calling every list of reads a player salad is disingenuous. Although except for his read on me, and his "meh" on Sloonei I don't agree with sig on much. But his reads seem to be based on outdated info, and he has apparently missed some fairly big points that have been made in thread. That reads to me as "sig being sig" as opposed to "sig being kept up to date by evil teammates in a chatroom".

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:02 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:57 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:48 am Like DH is accusing people of voting for Speed and not listening to SVS.

Except SVS believed (and probably stilldoes) that Speed was bad.

So this logic is just stupid.

Excuse me? Stupid how? Agreeing with me?

And what it the difference between "player salad" and a list of reads? Would you find it less salad-y had he done it in pretty colors descending from green to red?

Not every list of reads is a player salad. Sometimes they are a list of reads. Calling every list of reads a player salad is disingenuous. Although except for his read on me, and his "meh" on Sloonei I don't agree with sig on much. But his reads seem to be based on outdated info, and he has apparently missed some fairly big points that have been made in thread. That reads to me as "sig being sig" as opposed to "sig being kept up to date by evil teammates in a chatroom".

Accusing people of not using your logic to defend the opposite thing you were defending.

And call me disingenuous if you want. I don't like how Sig's post has a bunch of thoughts on random people then ends with "maybe I'll vote Wilgy aka the guy who currently has a million votes"

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:11 am No I agree; I personally just tend to find sig wildly suspect all the time, so I tend to be leery of sigwagons on sig being sig. It's why I wanted to see INHs current thoughts on sig. His case had somewhat more substance, and I thought sig seemed to be paying attention more in Cerberus than he is currently.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:48 am Like DH is accusing people of voting for Speed and not listening to SVS.

Except SVS believed (and probably stilldoes) that Speed was bad.

So this logic is just stupid.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:02 am Like you say Speed was bad. DH's case on Kyle is that Kyle failed to consider your points of Speed being a civ.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:18 am Alright, @sprityo let's do it.

G-Man's Technicolor Vote Analysis.

Day 10

Spoiler: show

DDL - Speed
DH - Speed
Epi - Bob
Sloonei - Wilgy
Scotty - Speed
Sig - Speed
INH - Speed
Speed - Speed
sprityo - Speed
Epi - Wilgy
Dom - Speed
Quin - Wilgy
DDL - Wilgy
DH - Wilgy
Lorab - Wilgy
Speed - Wilgy
Blooper - Wilgy
Kyle - Speed
DDL - Speed
SVS - Speed
DH - Speed
Bob - Speed
Boomslang - Wilgy

DDL
DH
Epi
Sloonei
Scotty
Sig
INH
Speed
sprityo
Epi
Dom
Quin
DDL
DH
Lorab
Speed
Blooper
Kyle
DDL
SV
DH
Bob
Boomslang

KEY

Speed - Green
Wilgy - Orange
Other - White

Eh I don't know what to conclude here. I like to do these things when we have a confirmed baddie among the most voted. Here we have a confirmed civ and an unknown.

You can see the wagons here, namely a Speed one, then the Wilgy one, then the new Speed one, but I'm afraid of calling anyone in them civ or bad based on it.

Any thoughts, sprityo?

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:47 am

Spoiler: show

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:18 am Alright, @sprityo let's do it.

G-Man's Technicolor Vote Analysis.

Day 10

Spoiler: show

DDL - Speed
DH - Speed
Epi - Bob
Sloonei - Wilgy
Scotty - Speed
Sig - Speed
INH - Speed
Speed - Speed
sprityo - Speed
Epi - Wilgy
Dom - Speed
Quin - Wilgy
DDL - Wilgy
DH - Wilgy
Lorab - Wilgy
Speed - Wilgy
Blooper - Wilgy
Kyle - Speed
DDL - Speed
SVS - Speed
DH - Speed
Bob - Speed
Boomslang - Wilgy

DDL
DH
Epi
Sloonei
Scotty
Sig
INH
Speed
sprityo
Epi
Dom
Quin
DDL
DH
Lorab
Speed
Blooper
Kyle
DDL
SV
DH
Bob
Boomslang

KEY

Speed - Green
Wilgy - Orange
Other - White

Eh I don't know what to conclude here. I like to do these things when we have a confirmed baddie among the most voted. Here we have a confirmed civ and an unknown.

You can see the wagons here, namely a Speed one, then the Wilgy one, then the new Speed one, but I'm afraid of calling anyone in them civ or bad based on it.

Any thoughts, sprityo?

By the time the second group of players formed the trains were about tied. The only people to switch votes from Wilgy to speed were DH and DDL. I think if we poke around the second group of voters we might have something

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:01 pm "But I'm leading the town"

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:30 am Have we tried to lynch
someone under the Haiku
Charlie's role was false.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:57 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:30 am Have we tried to lynch
someone under the Haiku
Charlie's role was false.

how are those things related

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:30 am Have we tried to lynch
someone under the Haiku
Charlie's role was false.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:04 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:30 am Have we tried to lynch
someone under the Haiku
Charlie's role was false.

Are you volunteering?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:48 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:47 am

Spoiler: show

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:18 am Alright, @sprityo let's do it.

G-Man's Technicolor Vote Analysis.

Day 10

Spoiler: show

DDL - Speed
DH - Speed
Epi - Bob
Sloonei - Wilgy
Scotty - Speed
Sig - Speed
INH - Speed
Speed - Speed
sprityo - Speed
Epi - Wilgy
Dom - Speed
Quin - Wilgy
DDL - Wilgy
DH - Wilgy
Lorab - Wilgy
Speed - Wilgy
Blooper - Wilgy
Kyle - Speed
DDL - Speed
SVS - Speed
DH - Speed
Bob - Speed
Boomslang - Wilgy

DDL
DH
Epi
Sloonei
Scotty
Sig
INH
Speed
sprityo
Epi
Dom
Quin
DDL
DH
Lorab
Speed
Blooper
Kyle
DDL
SV
DH
Bob
Boomslang

KEY

Speed - Green
Wilgy - Orange
Other - White

Eh I don't know what to conclude here. I like to do these things when we have a confirmed baddie among the most voted. Here we have a confirmed civ and an unknown.

You can see the wagons here, namely a Speed one, then the Wilgy one, then the new Speed one, but I'm afraid of calling anyone in them civ or bad based on it.

Any thoughts, sprityo?

By the time the second group of players formed the trains were about tied. The only people to switch votes from Wilgy to speed were DH and DDL. I think if we poke around the second group of voters we might have something

Aren't you presupposing Wilgy's guilt here?

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:16 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:48 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:47 am

Spoiler: show

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:18 am Alright, @sprityo let's do it.

G-Man's Technicolor Vote Analysis.

Day 10

Spoiler: show

DDL - Speed
DH - Speed
Epi - Bob
Sloonei - Wilgy
Scotty - Speed
Sig - Speed
INH - Speed
Speed - Speed
sprityo - Speed
Epi - Wilgy
Dom - Speed
Quin - Wilgy
DDL - Wilgy
DH - Wilgy
Lorab - Wilgy
Speed - Wilgy
Blooper - Wilgy
Kyle - Speed
DDL - Speed
SVS - Speed
DH - Speed
Bob - Speed
Boomslang - Wilgy

DDL
DH
Epi
Sloonei
Scotty
Sig
INH
Speed
sprityo
Epi
Dom
Quin
DDL
DH
Lorab
Speed
Blooper
Kyle
DDL
SV
DH
Bob
Boomslang

KEY

Speed - Green
Wilgy - Orange
Other - White

Eh I don't know what to conclude here. I like to do these things when we have a confirmed baddie among the most voted. Here we have a confirmed civ and an unknown.

You can see the wagons here, namely a Speed one, then the Wilgy one, then the new Speed one, but I'm afraid of calling anyone in them civ or bad based on it.

Any thoughts, sprityo?

By the time the second group of players formed the trains were about tied. The only people to switch votes from Wilgy to speed were DH and DDL. I think if we poke around the second group of voters we might have something

Aren't you presupposing Wilgy's guilt here?

No? We know for sure Speedchuck was innocent, so for the people to break an almost tie it makes them look worse. And if Wilgy is bad, bonus points

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:21 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:16 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:48 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:47 am

Spoiler: show

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:18 am Alright, @sprityo let's do it.

G-Man's Technicolor Vote Analysis.

Day 10

Spoiler: show

DDL - Speed
DH - Speed
Epi - Bob
Sloonei - Wilgy
Scotty - Speed
Sig - Speed
INH - Speed
Speed - Speed
sprityo - Speed
Epi - Wilgy
Dom - Speed
Quin - Wilgy
DDL - Wilgy
DH - Wilgy
Lorab - Wilgy
Speed - Wilgy
Blooper - Wilgy
Kyle - Speed
DDL - Speed
SVS - Speed
DH - Speed
Bob - Speed
Boomslang - Wilgy

DDL
DH
Epi
Sloonei
Scotty
Sig
INH
Speed
sprityo
Epi
Dom
Quin
DDL
DH
Lorab
Speed
Blooper
Kyle
DDL
SV
DH
Bob
Boomslang

KEY

Speed - Green
Wilgy - Orange
Other - White

Eh I don't know what to conclude here. I like to do these things when we have a confirmed baddie among the most voted. Here we have a confirmed civ and an unknown.

You can see the wagons here, namely a Speed one, then the Wilgy one, then the new Speed one, but I'm afraid of calling anyone in them civ or bad based on it.

Any thoughts, sprityo?

By the time the second group of players formed the trains were about tied. The only people to switch votes from Wilgy to speed were DH and DDL. I think if we poke around the second group of voters we might have something

Aren't you presupposing Wilgy's guilt here?

No? We know for sure Speedchuck was innocent, so for the people to break an almost tie it makes them look worse. And if Wilgy is bad, bonus points

But why? If Wilgy and Speed are both civ why do mafia care which one gets lynched? Or even beyond that, in this game one mafia team wouldn't care if another gets votes.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:34 pm lol what if we had it all backwards and Evil Evens kill on odd nights.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:44 pm SVS is bad. Pove me wrong.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:46 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:44 pm SVS is bad. Pove me wrong.

Pove that you're not, first.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:56 am

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:51 pm Please allow me to have my S~V~S moment of Atticus Finch'ing Wilgy before he gets decisively sold down the river.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:53 pm Hey why are we all on wilgy now? This thread seems just be barreling down the path of least resistance right now. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but there's not a whole lot of critical discussion going on here. What's more fun and exciting than sound critical discussion?

This is the post that I keep coming back to. This here thread's hella flighty, going after, as Sloonei says, the path of least resistance.

That's because of a strange contradiction which is occupying this game. Despite having successfully killed multiple mafia members, no one's actually acting like they know what's going on. People aren't really extrapolating things from flips. Instead, we're going with gut reads and flights of fancy. Except, of course, when an act of bizzarity like the whole Speedchuck conundrum pops up, which, to be honest, would have gotten him lynched in whatever game it happened in.

It's hard to pinpoint the root cause of this passivity and confused malaise, *COUGH*CHICKACHIKAMECHANICS*COUGH* but we can see it displayed in full force with the case against the good honorable Doctor Wilgy, who, let's be honest, is definitely gonna be lynched today.

SYNDICATE CRIME STORY

THE PEOPLE VS. DOCTOR WILGY

1. "META"

Spacedaisy's argument which more or less kicked this whole thing off centered around her belief in a simple dichotomy between the good, civilian DrWilgy, and the evil, scummy Mr. Hyde DrWilgy. Good Wilgy is zany, irrelevant, and usually actively self-sabotaging. We've all seen DrWilgy in games before, acting like some kind of madman, randomly interjecting nonsensical asides into the thread. It's what he's known for. He's a successor to the previous King of Irreverence, Vompatti. (RIP) That, according to Daisy, is the "civ" Wilgy.

Meanwhile, there ostensibly exists a second doppelganger-esque version of Wilgy which lies in wait, exhibiting such maniacal stratagems as "logic," and "effort" to stymy people into believing he's civilian, when really he's a dirty, rotten scummeister.

Basically, "weird" Wilgy = civ, and "intelligent" Wilgy = scum.

That's a pretty bullshit meta case, even by the low standards of meta cases. Assuming that this is true impugns the good Doctor's character. Who are we, who presume to know what lies in the mind of Wilgy? This is the Game of Champions, and despite a sluggish start, I'd expect everyone to bring their A-game. (Even though I myself have faltered at this due to hosting obligations.) It's a dumb, reductive, and certainly not flattering case that throws context out the window. Furthermore, and this is just my opinion, I'd rather play with a persuasive, involved, comprehensible version of Wilgy than the fountain of wackiness. Enthusiastically agreeing with this meta case seems like a way to message to Wilgy that he should be less involved in games, because people will just assume that he's, y'know, trying because he's bad, and not because he just enjoys playing.

Bleh.

2. "PREVIOUS ROLE"

As far as I can gather, and this has kinda been my pet theory from the start, roles don't actually come with a pre-defined alignment. S~V~S was the literal plague, and she's a strong civ read for me.

It seems to me that if you suspect Wilgy because of his previous role, you must also view everyone else through that lens. No cherrypicking who "it makes sense for." For me, that has too many repurcussions that contradict my views.

3. "THE SPRITYO KILL"

Really, Sloonei has been the only one beating this drum, and I have to give him credit for it. This reason's way stronger than the first two, mainly due to its reliance on facts.

FACT: Sprityo was killed Night 8 on the Pikachu Tribe after the wacky swap.

FACT: It must have been (at least) one of the following eight people - Sloonei, Kylemii, Spacedaisy, Scotty, DharmaHelper, Epignosis, Sprityo himself, or DrWilgy. (At least) one of those eight people is a moiderer.

This is where things get all subjective-y, but I've personally had more reason to suspect Daisy, Scotty, and DH than Wilgy. Interesting how they all seem to be funneling onto him today. I don't jive with Sloonei's POE reasoning, and if you suspect any of the other eight people, you don't either.

4. "DAMMIT, GOLDEN, YOU REALLY COULDN'T FIND A FRIGGIN' REPLACEMENT FOR THE GAME OF CHAMPIONS?"

This is the unescapable reality which will dictate why he'll probably be lynched today. DrWilgy has a ton of shit going on in his life currently, and cannot participate in the thread or lend to discussion very much. He popped back up during on March 21st, and has posted a couple of times since then, but overall does not seem to be stepping up his participation. Wilgy has gots to do what Wilgy has gots to do.

All that makes him an uber-easy target. No resistance, no pushback. All you have to do is sigh and go, "Wilgy, I guess," and everyone will nod their head in understanding. And that's why he's gonna be lynched today. Not because of any solid reasoning. Because he's the easiest option, the path of least resistance.

My fellow Champions, why must it be that way? Can we please all, including the poor old Doctor Wilgy, find in our hearts to try and do better than this?

Hell, lynch me for posting a large, rambling, nonsensical post passionately defending an inactive player without really providing a strong alternative! At least that's an actual reason for suspicion.

I halfway agree with everything you say, but like... why not lynching Wilgy? We have more dead scum than town, Wilgy isn't playing and all reasons for lynching him seems plausible. Feels like we gotta get this page turned before moving on.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:44 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:41 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:48 am

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:46 pm I'm not voting speedchuck tomorrow. That's the lazy vote. I already explained why waiting to lynch him is the best option. We have limited information and waiting a not-horribly-long amount of time to see if a bona fide alignment revealer flips is the logical course of action. We're not at LYLO. We can afford it. With every flip that isn't that role, the probability of him being scum increases. No need to rush into a lynch now.

I will not be accepting any counterpoints at this time, thank you. Especially because today isn't Day 10 and we don't need to be talking about speedchuck.

This reasoning is so weird.

We get way more information on one player than we would ever get in most mafia games and your reaction to it is "not enough, need more evidence".

It just doesn't connect.

When everyone bar one or two people is just sitting on the flip as an excuse to lynch, I'm not content. If you think my reasoning is weird, tell me: What do we lose from doing things my way?

Civs.