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Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:36 am
by MacDougall
Quin wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:34 am @Sloonei You've been under this kinda pressure before. Accusations you perceived as stupid or whatever. This is the first time I've seen you lash out about it. What's up?
Getting lynched as Mafia on day 1 for spurious Mac like reasons would upset anyone.

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:36 am
by Dana
What does CFD mean?

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:36 am
by Quin
[VOTE: wolbre] aubergine :charlieblackmon:

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:36 am
by MacDougall
Also voting Wolbre

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:36 am
by timmer
LoRab wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:34 am
timmer wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:25 am
LoRab wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:23 am crapweasel. I just got back from a wedding and thought I had another hour...only to remember that I'm a time zone back from normal. Going to skim quickly posts since last night. And hopefully read enough to figure out some semblance of something.

linkitis: You people keep posting!!!
Is this the first chance you've had to check the game today?
Yup. I'm back in Texas for the weekend, so been spending the day seeing lots of people I haven't seen in a couple of years. And then getting ready for a wedding. And then at the wedding. I read like a page during the reception, but that's it. Speedreading now, but saw that I was mentioned so popped forward to see.
Ahh okay that explains it, I had seen your name reading the thread some time ago, thought it was weird when you did you hadn't been on. I saw the reception check, then. Good luck catching up to a huge day 1, this has been a monster.

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:37 am
by Sloonei
Quin wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:34 am @Sloonei You've been under this kinda pressure before. Accusations you perceived as stupid or whatever. This is the first time I've seen you lash out about it. What's up?
I've lashed out before. But, I dunno, maybe I'm a little more emotional because I was looking forward to really sinking my teeth into this game to celebrate the end of my first semester of grad school, and now there's a bullshit case springing up around me in the last hour of the day. I feel like I just laid out a pretty solid case on juliets but instead of talking about that we're focused on how it was clearly a coordinated effort by me and G-man to push her lynch, as if that's the easiest path to a mislynch for a couple of scum partners.

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:37 am
by MacDougall
Dana wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:36 am What does CFD mean?
Chinese fire drill. It's slang for when you rally a late game wagon real fast.

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:37 am
by wolbre04
MacDougall wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:34 am
wolbre04 wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:33 am
MacDougall wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:32 am Hahahaha holy shit...

CFD Wolbre?
Do it bitch
This is... actually extremely Mafia sounding lol.
Image

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:37 am
by Sloonei
WHy are we voting for wolbre?

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:37 am
by nutella
MacDougall wrote: Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:52 pm 70 minutes til end of day. 5 candidates with 2 votes and 1 with 3. Sloonei wants to start a CFD on juliets.

Seems to me Sloo is nervous about his proximity to the gallows.

Sloo and G-Man scum teammates?
If Sloonei has votes and other people have votes and he's worried about getting lynched why would he start a brand new wagon on someone else

Absolutely zero fucking sense

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:38 am
by MacDougall
Sloonei wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:37 am
Quin wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:34 am @Sloonei You've been under this kinda pressure before. Accusations you perceived as stupid or whatever. This is the first time I've seen you lash out about it. What's up?
I've lashed out before. But, I dunno, maybe I'm a little more emotional because I was looking forward to really sinking my teeth into this game to celebrate the end of my first semester of grad school, and now there's a bullshit case springing up around me in the last hour of the day. I feel like I just laid out a pretty solid case on juliets but instead of talking about that we're focused on how it was clearly a coordinated effort by me and G-man to push her lynch, as if that's the easiest path to a mislynch for a couple of scum partners.
:sigh:

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:38 am
by wolbre04
Sloonei wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:37 am WHy are we voting for wolbre?
bc im funny and they don't like it

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:38 am
by Quin
wolbre04 wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:37 am
MacDougall wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:34 am
wolbre04 wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:33 am
MacDougall wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:32 am Hahahaha holy shit...

CFD Wolbre?
Do it bitch
This is... actually extremely Mafia sounding lol.
Image
in this post, wolbre realises he dun fucked up but is gonna lean into the skid anyway

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:39 am
by sig
MacDougall wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:31 am
wolbre04 wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:30 am
Sloonei wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:30 am Can all of the people who are talking about not voting for me please put votes on the poll so I can calm down?
im gonna put mine on you for a placeholder now
[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine
This is almost sig worthy.

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:39 am
by Sloonei
nutella wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:37 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:52 pm 70 minutes til end of day. 5 candidates with 2 votes and 1 with 3. Sloonei wants to start a CFD on juliets.

Seems to me Sloo is nervous about his proximity to the gallows.

Sloo and G-Man scum teammates?
If Sloonei has votes and other people have votes and he's worried about getting lynched why would he start a brand new wagon on someone else

Absolutely zero fucking sense
nutella and quin are my defense attorneys. one of you needs to always be present, thanks.

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:39 am
by timmer
Sloonei wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:35 am
timmer wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:34 am
Sloonei wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:32 am @timmer what's on your mind?
About what in particular?
all this stuff
I don't have strong civ vibes from you, I'm at best neutral, so I'm not in much of a position to help you here. I don't like the CFD idea, either..

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:39 am
by wolbre04
im voting to save my town ass
you all suck :meany:
[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:39 am
by Sloonei
wolbre04 wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:38 am
Sloonei wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:37 am WHy are we voting for wolbre?
bc im funny and they don't like it
Who should we lynch?

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:40 am
by Turnip Head
It's the guy with 200 posts versus the guy with 2

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:40 am
by DharmaHelper
wolbre04 wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:39 am im voting to save my town ass
you all suck :meany:
[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine
Hey guys I think we found one.

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:40 am
by MacDougall
nutella wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:37 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:52 pm 70 minutes til end of day. 5 candidates with 2 votes and 1 with 3. Sloonei wants to start a CFD on juliets.

Seems to me Sloo is nervous about his proximity to the gallows.

Sloo and G-Man scum teammates?
If Sloonei has votes and other people have votes and he's worried about getting lynched why would he start a brand new wagon on someone else

Absolutely zero fucking sense
The leading wagon was three votes. Both of them voting juliets immediately makes her a viable wagon and it's two team mafia so they probably genuinely think she is bad rather than throwing a vote on players they don't actually scum read.

Anyway I am over it. I want to lynch Wolbre.

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:40 am
by Sloonei
timmer wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:39 am
Sloonei wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:35 am
timmer wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:34 am
Sloonei wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:32 am @timmer what's on your mind?
About what in particular?
all this stuff
I don't have strong civ vibes from you, I'm at best neutral, so I'm not in much of a position to help you here. I don't like the CFD idea, either..
Have you read my juliets case? It's only a half hour old, which should mean it's buried about 20 pages back

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:40 am
by nutella
MacDougall wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:01 am
Sloonei wrote: Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:56 pm
Sloonei wrote: Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:49 pm Sloo I find it strange that you are off looking at other candidates about an hour before EOD when we have about 18 people with votes on them.
I don't feel strongly about any of these candidates, and clearly there's no consensus anywhere. What's wrong with looking at other options?
Nothing on the surface I suppose but there's just something weird about the scientific way you are going about it all. I am currently doing mental gymnastics trying to build the synapse connections to quantify your alignment to your posts.
... huh? I'm looking at specific ISOs. That's... how people usually do this sort of thing. G-Man mentioned juliets, I realized I'd not given any thought to her this game. I looked, she's got an uninspiring ISO. I voted for her. Nobody has more than 3 votes in the poll and we've got over an hour to go. I'm confused by your confusion. This would hardly even qualify as a CFD. There's plenty of time and no established frontrunners.
At the time G-Man did that you were both on 2 votes. I put it to you that G-Man are working together to prevent each other's lynch on account of being Mafia together.

My argument. None of the other viable wagons are flailing around looking to build cases on the likes of juliets and sig. Both easy targets. You guys are doing it because you feel like you have more to lose than the rest of the candidates do because you are 2 members of the same Mafia team. Boom game set. Get out of my thread.
Ah I guess I understand what you're positing here but I don't agree. G could be bad but I don't think Sloon is.

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:40 am
by Quin
hey here's an idea

if sloonei is bad for coordinating reads with temmie g-man, let's lynch g-man who some of us already have gripes with :nicenod:

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:40 am
by wolbre04
Sloonei wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:39 am
wolbre04 wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:38 am
Sloonei wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:37 am WHy are we voting for wolbre?
bc im funny and they don't like it
Who should we lynch?
I guess wilgy or juliets (in an ideal world mac bc i may die bc of him :meany: )

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:40 am
by Sloonei
wolbre04 wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:39 am im voting to save my town ass
you all suck :meany:
[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine
weak

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:41 am
by Kylemii
i would also be down for a wolbre vote actually, a lot of his posts have felt like busy-work and he ignored my questions :\

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:41 am
by wolbre04
I always self destruct under pressure look back at the Peloponnesian war mafia game where I was town

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:41 am
by MacDougall
I kinda don't want to lynch Wolbre because I like him, he's hilarious and he hasn't played in ages but dude is mafia.

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:42 am
by Sloonei
MacDougall wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:40 am
nutella wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:37 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:52 pm 70 minutes til end of day. 5 candidates with 2 votes and 1 with 3. Sloonei wants to start a CFD on juliets.

Seems to me Sloo is nervous about his proximity to the gallows.

Sloo and G-Man scum teammates?
If Sloonei has votes and other people have votes and he's worried about getting lynched why would he start a brand new wagon on someone else

Absolutely zero fucking sense
The leading wagon was three votes. Both of them voting juliets immediately makes her a viable wagon and it's two team mafia so they probably genuinely think she is bad rather than throwing a vote on players they don't actually scum read.

Anyway I am over it. I want to lynch Wolbre.
The leading wagon was three votes and no one liked any of them. I'd been looking for alternatives for hours. When I thought I'd found one, you decided it must mean I'm bad.

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:42 am
by wolbre04
Kylemii wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:41 am i would also be down for a wolbre vote actually, a lot of his posts have felt like busy-work and he ignored my questions :\
You didn't ping me im pretty sure, what ar eyour questions monsieur

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:42 am
by MacDougall
Kylemii wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:41 am i would also be down for a wolbre vote actually, a lot of his posts have felt like busy-work and he ignored my questions :\
Kyle is Mafia

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:42 am
by Turnip Head
CfD G-Mang

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:42 am
by Quin
wolbre04 wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:41 am I always self destruct under pressure look back at the Peloponnesian war mafia game where I was town
not sure when you were under pressure before you blew yourself up with a hand grenade

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:42 am
by Lunalee
Ahhh
Should I break the tie on wilgy or sloonei, or just stay on colin and ignore it?

linki: the tie is gone

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:42 am
by nutella
DharmaHelper wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:04 am
G-Man wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:02 am Kicking myself off the phone for the night and going to bed. I didn’t finish my ISO’s of mid-post level players. Colin’s ISO is thin. CBob had some meat but I need to give it another look when I have more time. Nutella was lean, DDl seemed adequate, and Mac is Mac. I didn’t hit the Jack, sig, or Luna reads yet.

I’ll vote for Juliets since I placed her the worst of my big talkers. If I wake up in the morning to find myself still alive, I will ISO everyone over N1 and the first part of D2.

The trouble with this game is that it’s only Day 1 and there are almost 900 posts, most of which is bluster and white noise.

Linki- oh good grief this may not end well for me.

Good night.
Wow Mac look both G and Sloonei are voting for Juliets

do you think the mafia are hangin' out in their lair goin' "hey let's try to set up a juliets lynch on day 1 that should go over well yeah?"

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:42 am
by wolbre04
Well I guess getting lynched Day 1 means I can study more rip

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:43 am
by timmer
Sloonei wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:40 am
timmer wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:39 am
Sloonei wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:35 am
timmer wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:34 am
Sloonei wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:32 am @timmer what's on your mind?
About what in particular?
all this stuff
I don't have strong civ vibes from you, I'm at best neutral, so I'm not in much of a position to help you here. I don't like the CFD idea, either..
Have you read my juliets case? It's only a half hour old, which should mean it's buried about 20 pages back
I did yeah but it reads like standard juliets yo me. I don't like CFD normally but wolbre is actually reading pretty scummy tbh I'm considering moving my vote to him.

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:43 am
by Dana
I'm gonna [VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine because I trust him the most and I am always wrong.

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:43 am
by sig
So I disagree with nutellas idea that as mafia sloonie wouldn't start a cfd. Its a common mafia strategy even if there are other wagons.

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:43 am
by Sloonei
Legacy reads in case I die are that juliets and sig deserve the most scrutiny tomorrow. I'd encourage some wolbre scrutiny too if I die and he survives, I don't disagree that his behavior here is a little shaky.

epi is town, DH is town, timmer is town, nutella is town, quin is town. I think Jack is town too. Cool, thanks, happy holidays.

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:43 am
by Sloonei
oh and mac might be bad

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:43 am
by MacDougall
Sloonei wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:42 am
MacDougall wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:40 am
nutella wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:37 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:52 pm 70 minutes til end of day. 5 candidates with 2 votes and 1 with 3. Sloonei wants to start a CFD on juliets.

Seems to me Sloo is nervous about his proximity to the gallows.

Sloo and G-Man scum teammates?
If Sloonei has votes and other people have votes and he's worried about getting lynched why would he start a brand new wagon on someone else

Absolutely zero fucking sense
The leading wagon was three votes. Both of them voting juliets immediately makes her a viable wagon and it's two team mafia so they probably genuinely think she is bad rather than throwing a vote on players they don't actually scum read.

Anyway I am over it. I want to lynch Wolbre.
The leading wagon was three votes and no one liked any of them. I'd been looking for alternatives for hours. When I thought I'd found one, you decided it must mean I'm bad.
Why do you keep pretending like you don't understand my case?

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:44 am
by nutella
Sloonei wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:05 am It reminds me of that time when MP and I were literally the only two people in the thread in Search for Quin and he insisted that I must be scum because I was the only person in the game actively pushing any theories. Because I was the only other person bothering to do anything at all. I got lynched because nobody else was playing.

That's essentially what Mac is suggesting right now. It's obnoxious and idiotic and if I get lynched I'm gonna be annoyed and sign up for Colin's heist.
Yeah tbh I think this is often a problem with D1/early game in general. Higher posters tend to get lynched but they actually tend to be town because the mafia are hanging back and letting others do the work and since there are so many players the lower-posting half just get forgotten and aren't on the table.

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:44 am
by wolbre04
Do tie votes result in a random lynch between the tie?

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:44 am
by Quin
Dana wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:43 am I'm gonna [VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine because I trust him the most and I am always wrong.
we got some a-grade scum hunting happening here today folks

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:44 am
by Lunalee
wolbre04 wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:42 am Well I guess getting lynched Day 1 means I can study more rip
but you're not getting lynched? Wilgy has 5 votes and you have 3

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:44 am
by Sloonei
MacDougall wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:43 am
Sloonei wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:42 am
MacDougall wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:40 am
nutella wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:37 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:52 pm 70 minutes til end of day. 5 candidates with 2 votes and 1 with 3. Sloonei wants to start a CFD on juliets.

Seems to me Sloo is nervous about his proximity to the gallows.

Sloo and G-Man scum teammates?
If Sloonei has votes and other people have votes and he's worried about getting lynched why would he start a brand new wagon on someone else

Absolutely zero fucking sense
The leading wagon was three votes. Both of them voting juliets immediately makes her a viable wagon and it's two team mafia so they probably genuinely think she is bad rather than throwing a vote on players they don't actually scum read.

Anyway I am over it. I want to lynch Wolbre.
The leading wagon was three votes and no one liked any of them. I'd been looking for alternatives for hours. When I thought I'd found one, you decided it must mean I'm bad.
Why do you keep pretending like you don't understand my case?
Why do you keep pretending like I wasn't doing the thing that I always do?

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:44 am
by Kylemii
MacDougall wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:42 am
Kylemii wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:41 am i would also be down for a wolbre vote actually, a lot of his posts have felt like busy-work and he ignored my questions :\
Kyle is Mafia
i'm banksy

Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:44 am
by MacDougall
Sloonei wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:43 am Legacy reads in case I die are that juliets and sig deserve the most scrutiny tomorrow. I'd encourage some wolbre scrutiny too if I die and he survives, I don't disagree that his behavior here is a little shaky.

epi is town, DH is town, timmer is town, nutella is town, quin is town. I think Jack is town too. Cool, thanks, happy holidays.
Lol I actually agree with all of these. Even jack.

Anyway vote wolbre son.